Lynn Woolsey says she’s a definite “yes” vote on the Senate health care bill. Even if it lacks a public option. Despite the fact that it’s the biggest blow to a woman’s right to choose in a generation, and may come at the price of a stand-alone vote that allows Blue Dogs and ConservaDems to join with Republicans and roll them back even further in order to get Bart Stupak’s support.
Any ability for progressives to negotiate, to achieve meaningful concessions, to exert their influence and make the bill better just disappeared.
It’s time for Lynn Woolsey to resign as the head of the Progressive Caucus.
Woolsey shares the job of Co-Chair with Raul Grijalva. Throughout the health care battle, Grijalva has shown steadfast leadership even when things got tough. Starting in the early summer of of 2009, he began working with Jerrold Nadler behind the scenes to whip members of Congress to vote against any bill that did not have a public option.
We joined that fight on June 23, but without Grijalva’s leadership and his consistent willingness to stand on principle — even when he was being pilloried as a “monster” for doing so — we’d all be signing checks to Wellpoint right now while PhRMA was popping champagne corks.
Woolsey was certainly part of the fight for a public option, co-authoring a letter on June 5 with Grijalva outlining the health care principles of the Progressive Caucus. And here’s a video from June where Woolsey says she will insist on the inclusion of a public option:
“Oh I will vote against anything that does not include … and it’s got to be real. I mean, you can call it anything you want … I believe there are enough of us, among the 120 in the tri-caucus and the progressive caucus, that can stop any votes…. Any health care reform that does not include a strong, robust public option for all Americans will not be health care reform.”
Woolsey then commenced a petty battle for control of the progressive caucus (and the public option campaign). She held a press conference on June 24, claiming to represent 120 members of the quad caucus who would vote against any bill that did not have a public option:
Rep. Lynn Woolsey of California, co-chairwoman of the Progressive Caucus, said the groups’ statement was unusual. Typically, leaders of the caucuses do not publicly challenge their party leadership, preferring to work behind the scenes to win concessions in legislation, she said.
“What we’re telling you this time: it’s different,” she said. “Not that we’re going to vote with Republicans. But if reform legislation comes to the floor and doesn’t include a real and robust public option, we will fight it with everything we have.”
Her statements today reflect absolutely no consciousness that she ever said anything like this, or was in any way in a leadership position on the issue. But that has been the way Woolsey has operated throughout the health care campaign.
When we began our whip count in late June it quickly became evident that contrary to Woolsey’s assertions, not all 120 members of the quad caucus agreed on the need for a public option. When we asked that individual members of Congress to go on record and state their personal beliefs, Woolsey got angry that our efforts to get people on the record might demystify a brilliant campaign that allowed members to hide anonymously underneath an umbrella that gave them “strength in numbers.”
On July 9, after the Blue Dogs said they had the votes to kill the health care bill, Woolsey announced — apparently unaware of the irony — that she now had 60 votes to vote against a bill without a public option. Where did the other 60 votes suddenly go? Well, she didn’t say. I wrote “If Lynn Woolsey’s got 60 votes, I’ve got leprechauns in my laundry room” and demanded that she name names. Because if there’s one thing we learned from the supplemental battle, it’s that a member who won’t even publicly commit to a position is certainly not going to go to the mat for it.
A week later, an “internal whip list” was leaked by Woolsey’s office. It was now down to 50 names. What happened to the extra 10 names Woolsey said she had the week before? Well, they seemed to have magically disappeared too.
We began calling all 50 offices. We could not get one member of Congress to confirm that their name was validly on that list.
Woolsey’s strategy, her theatrics, her leadership on health care devolved into a colossal joke. Nobody took her seriously. Nothing she said ever turned out to be true, and any thinking person would rightly conclude that any threat she made was idle. She was incapable of commanding the respect of the Progressive Caucus, and it became clear as time went on that her lack of leadership was an enormous problem when it comes to organizing progressives in the House who now had the opportunity to exert real power.
Members of the Progressive Caucus, however, realized that people were laughing and it was time to “put up or shut up.” And so 60 members finally signed their names to the famous July 31 letter to Nancy Pelosi and Henry Waxman saying they would vote against any bill that didn’t have a public option – tied to Medicare reimbursement rates.
Now, fighting for Medicare reimbursement rates as a cost-control measure was important, but anyone with the ability to Google could figure out that there was long-term opposition among Democrats from rural districts sufficient to take the health care bill down over it. It’s one thing to fight for something, it’s quite another to draw a line in the sand you know you’re fully prepared to step over. But Woolsey led many members of the caucus to demand its inclusion this in the letter, which was ultimately used to undermine the public option fight down the line.
Predictably, they gave up the fight on Medicare rates the next day. It would re-emerge as an issue later in a watered down “Medicare Plus 5″ version, but mostly as a face-saving measure I think. It never had a serious chance.
Nonetheless, online supporters were delighted that progressives were taking a stand. It wasn’t much of a political risk, since the public option was something that 80% of the country wanted. But they showed their support by donating $430,000 to the members who were willing to commit to vote against any health care bill that didn’t have a public option. Of those, 1734 people donated $5,613 to Lynn Woolsey.
Is she ready to give that money back if she goes back on her promise to vote “no” on any bill that doesn’t have a public option? Because a poll determined that 90% of our readers think that she should.
Furthermore, 76% of our readers think that members of Congress who go back on that pledge should face primary challenges (the filing deadline for California is March 12). And a full 82.3% think that anyone who votes to restrict a woman’s right to choose, as the Senate bill does, should face a primary challenge too.
Woolsey has been inconsistent and muddled throughout the health care fight, and her leadership non-existent. And now she’s ready to capitulate to the Senate bill. Really? Here she is in November when the Senate bill passed:
I was very relieved on Saturday night when the Senate had the 60 votes. Now, the games begin. If the House position is to take what the Senate did and capitulate to it, then they have the wrong idea about what the House of Representatives is going to do.
While Woolsey has been willing to take a progressive stand on issues over the years, she risks nothing for doing so. She’s in a safe Democratic seat, from a district with a D+23 PVI. It’s full of progressive, pro-choice Democrats who have donated to her campaign since she first took office in 1993, and she’s be in more political trouble if she didn’t take those positions.
I understand that the health care bill will probably fail because of its own inertia, the search right now is for a scapegoat to blame it on and no Democrat but Bart Stupak really wants to have that honor. But there are certain principles that someone who calls themselves a progressive leader should not be cavalier about, and a woman’s right to choose is one of them. As Scarecrow wrote here in December, the Nelson language in the Senate bill was written to tee up a Supreme Court challenge to Roe v. Wade.
That is unacceptable.
Lynn Woolsey’s inability to effectively lead the Progressive Caucus represents a tremendous problem in the House. She inevitably drags any organizing attempt into chaos and petty bickering, and her idea of “leadership” is issuing a symphony of idle threats she never follows through on that reduces the caucus to a laughing stock and renders the entire caucus ineffectual.
Woolsey has become a major impediment to effective action on the issues she cares about the most. The failure of progressives in the House to achieve meaningful concessions on single payer, or the public option, or prescription drug price negotiation, or any other progressive principle is largely due to her ineffectiveness. She should step down as the co-chair of the Progressive Caucus.
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You mean progressives aren’t well-served by a weak, ill-spoken lady who sounds for all the world like a dotty old librarian as their leader?
Did we or Blue American raise any $$$$ for her?
Where’s NARAL on this? And Planned Parenthood?
If only she were the only one…
I’d say the Progressive Caucus is about as progressive as Short Ride.
Thanks, Jane. It’s always nice to know who your friends are. Seeing what Congress really stands for is illuminating, to say the least.
Again, this is why I refuse to heed FDL’s call to financially support these betrayers…They are total sellouts.
This is key. Thank you so very much , Jane.
If we can’t count on the progressive caucus, all in the D party is lost.
It simply CAN’T be coincidence that progressives NEVER draw a line in the stand, while folks like Stupid ALWAYS do.
It HAS to be all a show. Has to be. No fucking way it’s ALWAYS the same side giving in.
It’s a fucking theater. There’s not one real progressive in Congress. NOT ONE. If there were, why couldn’t that ONE make as much shit as Stupak?
I watched carefully and have to conclude that Lynn was speaking with her toes crossed.
She was a welfare mother who supposedly climbed out of poverty to achieve her election to House. Has she not forgotten the reproductive rights of the poor, et al. I am nauseated. The only true to Progressive ideals is Kucinich who was eloquent on his C-span appearance a few days ago. As child he lived in a car and has not forgotten his roots.
Are there any members of the Progressive Caucus that are sticking to their guns and refusing to vote for this massive gift to the insurance industry? No wonder no one pays any attention to progressives. They pose no threat.
Grijalva isn’t.
Does this make Lynn a PINO noir?
Will Rep Grijalva hold fast? He’s “leaning” against voting for the Senate bill, but the White House will lean hard on him to vote “yes”.
Why don’t we ever hear from the Progressive Caucus? Why aren’t they out there making statements re issues that are important to us? I suspect that they don’t represent me or us. I would really like to see them called out and Jane, I’m glad you began with Woolsey.
So whatever Nobama said at the meeting with Progressives made them
surrender.. no bribes, or course.. but what else??
Promise of building something on this shaky foundation? a public option in the future? Right, after all the Dems who sign this trash bill are booted out of office. How stupid can these people be? As Pelosi said, Put your own
careers aside and vote for the crap. Wonderful challenge to all these corporate whores.
Thank you Jane for all your good work.
If people want to send an email to Woolsey but do not live in California she conveniently supplies a California address on her site right under where it says “sign up for email updates’ there are then two addresses in California that you can use to flood her office.
Incidentally about women’s health. My spouse is the director of a women’s clinic and she has just got notice that her cost for a well know IUD is going to be almost $700…HER COST…. In Canada the cost for the same item, including insertion, is Mirenas – $365
You can’t expect politicians to be answerable to your concerns until you find a way to compete with lobbying interests to finance their campaigns. They have to get re-elected, and they need approximately a million dollars every two years to do that.
The time to do influence them and raise money for them is when they’re doing things you support. If they betray those principles, you take action. That’s what we’re doing now. It’s a process. Like dog training. You can’t do one without the other or it doesn’t work.
Simply yelling “you suck” from the sidelines is not a practical strategy for changing anything.
Depends on the allies — and also whether you can handle being called names. Raul Grijalva did a good job of keeping the public option alive — and putting a monkeywrench in the deals Rahm cut. If not for him, as Jane said, the deal would have went down months ago; now, the likelihood is that no deal will go down as the House wants no part of the Senate bill’s kryptonite.
Both have gone “corporate” on a national level. NARAL local chapters are still good but Planned Parenthood is al about making money.
How do these Reps fall under Nobama’s spell. He is a consummate actor. Yup, just like Ronald Reagan whom he seems to admire in behavior and deed..
I agree there are only a couple of progressives in the whole House. Woolsey isn’t one, but then I wouldn’t say Grijalva is either. There were posts here yeserday indicating that Grijalva was going to vote yes. I don’t see him as any better. Even more, where has he or really almost all of the Progressive caucus been? We hear daily about Stupak, the Blue Dogs, etc. but where is there any leadership or opposition coming from so-called “progressives” in the House?
But it makes people feel like they’re doing something, which is why it’s so popular.
I think that most progressives assume they’ll never get this thing passed, so who wants to be blamed for killing it? At least that’s how I interpret the actions of most members of Congress, who by in large are hiding.
The only one who is picking up votes is Stupak, who now has 5 votes that were previous “yes” votes, and they are willing to say they’ll vote “no” if his demands aren’t met. Nobody has publicly flipped in the other direction.
I don’t blame anyone for not wanting to be the fall guy, but what Woolsey did is a bridge too far.
I just can’t imagine her constituents letting her get away with that. Unforgiveable. I guess she wants to retire.
Lyn Woolsey is a great person, but not one I would choose to lead the Progressive Caucus. I nominate Peter DeFazio to replace her!
Yeah, I’m guilty of it myself.
Trying to rectify that.
But, it is fun. Cause, well, they’re assholes and they do suck.
Assholes.
In other words, all politicians are whores. You don’t pay them and you don’t get anything from them. Actually standing for something or acting o principle has nothing to do with it. Glad we got that straight.
Yeah, it confirms the vibe I got from Pelosi yesterday: protecting the Dems in Congress is more important than real healthcare reform. When Nancy admonished her colleagues to do the right thing, we should have seen this coming!
I completely agree. How can I as an individual put pressure on the caucus to make this happen? Because so far all our attempts to influence the caucus have been worthless.
I wish I could identify with your point of view, but based on watching the charade over years I have come to the conclusion that we cannot compete now in this moment in history with the MONEYED/lobbyist interests. The system is broken, period. The country is run by corporations furthered by the recent Supreme Court decision, and the Reps are in their pocket. They blow the way of the foul wind with a few exceptions: Kucinich is one. I think if Americans massively demonstrated in DC in droves, like they do in other countries, just maybe the Congress would pay attention. Martin Luther King had the right idea. Nader seems to think the super rich can change the wind. I am not convinced.
The whole thing is such an exercise in futility and wasting time because you know this monstrosity will be rescinded before it even takes effect anyway.
Running as someone who killed the individual mandate and giveaways to insurance and drug companies would be popular with voters.
Look, these people are on the inside and they simply want to protect themselves from being caught on the wrong side of the class war’s economic ruin. Health Care is a distraction from what’s happening on Wall Street. There will be no jobs, no affordability, no reform worth spitting at.
It certainly seems that the cloyingly sweet siren call of lobbyist cash has made voters and their irrelevant within the political process. Of course one can’t discount the possibility that behind closed doors Team Obama knows how to lean on lefties in a way that is not necessary for the Democratic right. Since MoveOn and other semi-progressive organizations seem to be totally on board with Woolsey’s position it seems likely that we are simply witnessing a modification of definition of progressive.
bingo!
I’m not sure what you’re arguing. No, money doesn’t influence them, or no money shouldn’t influence them?
The first assertion is absurd. While the second may be true, if you’re then recommending a course of action that says we shouldn’t try neutralize the influence of lobbying money by developing a grassroots fundraising operation, I wish you luck in that “screaming from the sidelines” strategy.
So far it’s only succeeded in ceding the government to corporate lobbying interests.
There is something very cheap about throwing money at these Reps who easily sell out. We are buying what we think is moral and right..They have proven that they can’t be counted on. Throwing good money after bad money.
Jane, I don’t sit on the sidelines. I have called my reps and those across the country, sent faxes, US mailings. I have a file a mile long. I also spearheaded an organizing campaign that was an against the odds effort to unionize workers who were making a pittance every day. We porked out our own money to make fliers.. we engaged the media. We published Internet newsletters and wrote letters to the Editor. There are other ways to put pressure other than throwing $$$ at Rep sellouts.
And there’s polling to back this up? Let me know, I’d love to give it to the progressive caucus. We’ll send it out right away.
Stupak is a louse but at this point I am all for his killing this bill. He has the power of his convictions even if those convictions are crazy wrong. House progressives even if they have good convictions, and that is open to question, don’t have the stones to act on them.
Barney Frank, not so long ago, said as much to the LGBT folks when he told them to stop wasting time protesting and hire lobbyists. Who benefits when a constituency pays lobbyists is left as an exercise to the cynical.
“Give me some money and I think about working on your problem.”
Thank you, Jane. I’m with you 100%.
I agree that they need contributions in order to get elected or reelected. That’s why we help them. I’ve made contributions to many incumbents and primary challengers since coming to FDL.
But we also have to hold them accountable when, after they say they’re going to fight and after they talk a great game when they want to benefit from our energy and contributions, they do nothing and cave in without a fight.
If we don’t hold them accountable, then we lose credibility when we ask others to contribute to candidates in the future.
If Woolsey wants to be the head of the Progressive Caucus, then she has to lead. None of them should be caving on a public option, much less be stupid enough to pass the Senate bill as is (i.e. accept the House going first).
And behind the coulisse they are writing innocuously sounding loopholes to make it all a worthless dog a and donkey show.
This morning on his Facebook page, Grijalva posted a Politico article about how he’s one of “Ten who could decide health care.” The article is kind of contradictory in that it uses Grijalva’s quote about Obama making a compelling argument – which would imply that Grijalva may no longer be one of those 10. He was our last hope to take a strong stand and now he’s weaseling.
No one yet has mentioned that the co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus was actually involved in fund raising for an avowed Blue Dog, Jane Harmon (CA-36).
I’ve changed my registration to be able to vote for Harmon’s challenger in the June primary. I’ve also put my money (what I can afford) where my vote is.
The thing is, though, even with all the money in world, there’s only one way the voters are really irrelevant. I mean, think for a second. A right wing, bat shit crazy Republican could spend a Gazillion dollars in ads, mailings, door-to-door, etc., and there’s still no way I’d vote for him. And I’m betting a lot of folks here are the same way.
So the only way we’re really irrelevant is if the elections are also charades. I saw where one company is going to own the systems that counts 70% of the votes in this country, so maybe we the voter really are irrelevant.
IF THAT’S THE CASE, then we’re wasting time discussing this or discussing that. This whole web site would be a waste.
Are we there yet? I dunno. It is scary.
Resign Woolsey. We don’t want luke warm leaders like yourself at the helm of our ship. Beat it and the lie you rode in on.
Grijalva should just move up the line. Senator Brown doing a bang up job pushing for the public option.
Hey Jane find it amazing that the teacher firings in Rhode Island not getting much coverage. No cameras up there digging into the situation. Have any of the MSNBC folks had Weingarten on to talk about the issue?
They are so obsessed with every move that Palin makes it is so disgusting. If Palin went up into that school district to find out what is going on maybe their camera’s would follow
I believe it is up to the people who do have a voice to speak up. Jane has a podium and is speaking. Those of us without podia can work in other ways, and we do. It is the people that have a bully pulpit and are using it to lie , lie and lie again that are not helping. Those are the people that must be removed from their positions.
Haven’t you written that most progressives are in safe blue districts? So what is the down side of backing progressive/populist positions? So why are these progressives backing bad legislation that their constituents don’t like? Isn’t that precisely the lesson of Coakley in Massachusetts?
“try neutralize the influence of lobbying money by developing a grassroots fundraising operation”
Have you looked at the distribution of wealth in this country? the members of the economic roundtable own some 60 % of all wealth and they’ve got gazillions to spare without being financially affected. Do the math. You want to compete with that? – How?
If the Obama and Max Baucus insurance written Health Care Scam Bill passes what are going to be the so call Progressive Congress people talking points.
We know what the Republicans talking point is going to be.
Democrats are going to make the middle class buy insurance.
We must get some real progressives in congress this Novemeber.
I’ve seen polling that the mandate was unpopular, as to the others, I’m not sure.
I’ll try to find it, but sorry, my search skills suck badly. I get a gazillion hits and click on several pages before I give up or find something. But I have seen polling that shows the mandate is unpopular, ergo, one could assume, killing it would be popular. I’ll try to find a link.
I certainly don’t mean to belittle these efforts, they’re important, but can you point me to a success?
One of the things that progressives have to face is that the way we have been working has failed. We have to be willing to accept that and try to develop new ways of achieving our goals. There are a lot of new opportunities now for doing that, but we’ve got a long way to go.
I don’t claim that we — or anybody — has found the answer. But from being engaged in the health care battle, I can tell you that the biggest success the White House had in neutralizing progressive organizing efforts was to tie liberal interest groups up in the veal pen. It kept members of Congress from being supported by the natural financial constituencies who had an interest in seeing progressive legislation pass.
Meanwhile, the Blue Dogs were tied right in to their natural financial constituencies, and the money from the insurance industry and the drug companies.
I don’t think you’ll ever keep liberal groups out of the veal pen. It’s too easy to get them there. The power of the Presidency to influence a small number of people at the top makes it impossible to counter.
I think that finding a way to finance the campaigns of progressives is the biggest and most important challenge we face. If we can’t do that, we’re doomed. And I think we’re going to have to do it ourselves.
You didn’t even mention her little fundraiser for millionaire Blue Dog Jane Harmon.
you’re absolutely right up to the last line. It’s still apparently not scary enough.
You sure don’t do it by spouting defeatist rants or distracting us from important issues like a public option and holding our supposed allies accountable.
Thanks for bringing that up. Another strike against her
While you’re pretty much correct the problem is the deepness of the pockets.
This is somewhat like investing as a single investor in the stock market. Just as the stock market can stay irrational longer than you can spend money waiting for fundamentals to kick in, it is also true that businesses can keep paying lobbyists longer than people of limited means can keep trying to pay politicians to take up their meager causes. The way the game was supposed to be played it was the vote that mattered not the payoffs.
I don’t understand why Grijalva gets off so easily here. There were no cameras or press in at the closed-door meeting between Obama and the progressive caucus, but is there any buzz on how long it took Grijalva to capitulate?
Was it 5 minutes? 10?
It’s been my experience that when you can liberate a member of Congress from dependence on lobbying money they actually would rather vote their conscience. Look at Alan Grayson. He raise more than any member of Congress in the fourth quarter last year — $861,000 — and it came from small dollar online donations.
He’s on the Financial Services Committee, where most people are put for the express purpose of being a whore to the banks and sucking up finance money. Instead he got Audit the Fed through.
I actually can point to a success story. And I bet there are 30 who would do likewise.
That’s a serious block with a lot of power.
You are apparently swaddled in the comfort of reality denial. 400 richest market fundamentalists own 50% of Americas’s wealth and they intend to keep it.
everything I say is a lie.
Ha!
Years ago I watched one our union operatives make a pitch at a membership meeting for contributions to our PAC. The short version of the pitch was: “We have to give money to the politicians. They are all whores and they won’t do anything for us unless we pay them.”
The pitch worked pretty well: We had a higher than average contribution rate from our members and our PAC was fairly well funded.
He’s the exception that proves the rule.
You are the one who said, “You can’t expect politicians to be answerable to your concerns until you find a way to compete with lobbying interests to finance their campaigns.” That is about as a good a definition of political whoredom as any. It’s pay to play. It isn’t support. It’s bribery. It is saying that the system is completely corrupt, that a “progressive” politician is only progressive if they are paid to be. And I would point out with the way they are bailing on healthcare, even that isn’t true. It is more accurate to say, “progressive” politicians will take money from progressives, thank them, and then vote with the rest of the conservative, corporate Democrats.
Grijalva hasn’t capitulated. He summarized the President’s remarks, which many people have taken as his own:
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/obama-to-progressives-31-million-people–and-my-presidency–are-on-the-line-if-health-care-fails.php
What he actually said:
Since there is no “second part” yet, I don’t think he’s committed to anything.
The deep philosophical arguments of Captain James Tiberius Kirk as presented in “I, Mudd”.
Our local organizing effort succeeded by the way and also tied into pressuring City Council members who were up for re-election. And the union is now in its 10th year. Wages went up by over 40% but not to compare to the
Health Insurance travesty bill and all the corporate $$$$ power.
Who was it who said the time is ripe for a third party National contender.
If Obama with his fake oratory and promises managed a groundswell Internet driven fundraising campaign, then perhaps we have to hope that a real challenger to the status quo will have the guts to get out there and primary him. That person, perhaps with convictions, will speak to the frustrations of voters on all sides of the political spectrum. Obama lost his young, wide-eyed supporters who still can be tapped by an individual
who cares for the PEOPLE and their needs.
He has the power of his convictions even if those convictions are crazy wrong. House progressives even if they have good convictions, and that is open to question, don’t have the stones to act on them.
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Michael Moore said as much recently. to the effect of “ya gotta hand it to wingers, they have the power of their convictions – why don’t democrats?” I agree.
So is the Ya Ya Sisterhood history? I still see rants about “80 cents on a man’s dollar” and an occasional piece about glass ceilings. But not much noise about the growing fetus fetish in the Democratic Caucus. Are all the Feminists menopausal now?
The students are clamoring for economic justice in the streets. I bet you Obama will find the dough to assuage their needs. Why? – because they fear only activism. Not paper pushing ‘activism’, but the real deal. Until you drag your ass into the streets, you are not relevant.
“Obama to Progressives: 31 Million People–And My Presidency–Are On The Line If Health Care Fails” From TPM
Hmmm. HIS presidency is on the line.. And that’s how he views the world, basically. It’s all about HIM..And that has been true from day one.
OT, but close to home: listen for Village outrage over right wing use of black/blue-face in a political ad…
* crickets *
from what little I know of the inner workings of Marin County, women’s health issues are huge there. I just cannot imagine Woolsey getting away with voting for this craptastic bill.
I hope Marin voters are reading this and calling Woolsey and giving her a piece of their minds.
What’s your point? What do you propose here?
Politicians are responsive to donors. A five year-old knows that. I don’t care what their party is or what their ideology is. They’re politicians. It’s a career choice. That’s the system the entered, with their eyes wide open. They’re not working to end poverty in the slums of Bangladesh.
What happens in our current system is that progressives take turns ducking, so that one gets to be good one one issue and take the lobbying money on another. The net result is that the lobbyists always win because we’re always just shy of the number of votes needed to pass anything progressive.
You want to say they’re not true “progressives” because of that? Well, I’m probably not going to argue with you, but I don’t know what you’ve won at that point. But if you’re saying we should all just leave the battlefield completely and not enter the fundraising fray, it means we’re all doomed to perpetual failure as the price of moral “purity.”
That comes at a very high cost for a lot of people. I just can’t support that.
Ok, clicked on this one and found a poll saying 71% opposed the mandate.
But I’ve NEVER HEARD OF THE GALEN INSTITUTE, and it’s web site, from a quick look and skim, appears as though it may be a right leaning or right wing site. Not at all sure of this poll then.
It appears the support for the mandate is schizophrenic. In theory by itself, it appears to garner support. But when the question is asked with the caveat of the tax penalty, support disintegrates and opposition takes off.
And as written, that’s what the law would be right?? Buy health insurance or face a tax penalty?
Jane, Remember, a politician is a politician. Making and breaking promises is the norm in D.C.
So Obama goes to MA to back Coakley.. and doesn’t he realize his Presidency and policies were on the line. Then he went to NJ to back Corzine, and wasn’t his presidency on the line? Who the heck wants him to keep putting his presidency on the line when they see he is kiss of death. So let them pass the trash bill, and kiss their lucrative congressional jobs goodbye. Have Dems not learned a lesson. Who cares about HIS Presidency. Who cares about the PEOPLE?
No. I’d just rather do what little I can than try to convince others that there’s no hope and all is lost.
WOOT! Yay to Jane for saying it!!
Now to actually read the post.
If his Presidency really were the line then it might have helped if he had lead from the beginning instead of slyly sending in Gruber in an attempt to covertly convert people to his plans. More likely this failure would effect future lobbyist conversations.
“So how to I know you can produce?”
It seems that “we don’t have the votes” from high-ranking Democrats is a statement of intent, not fact.
Candidates are interesting, Jane, but I think there’s poison at the party level. If lobbyist money is a concern, what about party money? Who decides how that’s apportioned, and in whose pockets are they?
I’m happy for your success and would love to see links documenting those efforts, I think that’s wonderful. But I do not see how they could have been duplicated with success in the health care campaign with only the meager resources that were available to progressive organizers — especially since most of the organizing that can be done cheaply is online. Field is really labor intensive and expensive. Those kinds of resources were not available to mount a national campaign capable of influencing Congress on a major issue like health care. Again, the money was just not there.
I can’t seem to directly e mail Lynn Woolsey. If you click the link below the home page box it leads to standard form needing all the address etc. information. There is no way to really get your message to her in any other way.
Grayson is a bad example Jane.
Both him and Weiner are worthless. They came here, took our money, and then what? Where is Grayson threatening not to vote for reform with no PO? What actual good has he been?
Has he been entertaining? Sure. Has he said a lot of true things? Sure.
But where is his vote? He’s goign to vote for the bill with no PO, going back on his word.
so what good is Grayson really? What good is Weiner really?
What good are us getting these people in office if they’re not going to actually vote the way we want them to?
Until you can answer that question having us spend money on votes that will just end up betraying us is a waste of time and resources.
We should revoke Weiner’s and Grayson’s “firedog” status until they stand up, and on national TV say if there is no PO they will vote no.
Because unless they do they’re not actually working for us, and they don’t deserve my money. Firedog or not, they vote the wrong way and I won’t help them at all.
The mandate is really unpopular, there’s no question, and I think it’s political death for the party to support it.
But the assertion is that someone would be a “hero” for killing a bill that had one. There are several leaps there that I’m not sure I buy, because the person who “kills the bill” is going to be the target of a major scapegoating campaign by those who fucked the bill up.
And they know it.
I can send you National articles on our success that rippled across the country.. if you send me your e address.
Pathetic Progressive “leadership” is killing us. Grayson shows us another way. How many times do we have to get rolled by our fellow Dems let alone Repubs’ to wake up?
We didn’t raise any money for Grayson on the public option. He never pledged to do anything, so he’s not “going back on his word.”
He comes from a conservative leaning district. We CONSCIOUSLY went to members in D+10 or higher districts, because we knew they would be safer from Republican attacks about supporting “socialized medicine.”
We really do think these things through, you know.
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No, it’s not, but neither is holding your nose & voting for them again just because the other guy’s a reprehensible Republican. Sure incumbants need contributors, but many of them also need Progressives to campaign, contribute & vote for them. Until they’re convinced otherwise, Progressives are to be used, not feared and certainly not respected.
Here’s what I put on Woolsey’s Facebook wall:
Hope and inertia commits you to nothing but eternal hope. Hope, unless it’s a catalyst for action is a passive resignation.
Yeah, I see your point, that someone will get so muddied from the insiders that he/she won’t look very good to the voters even if he/she did kill the mandate.
Probably right, but that’s a depressing state of affairs. This means we not only have to hope for some progressives to keep their word, but they also must have a huge set of cajones.
I’m not too optimistic now. I felt pretty good about the chances of killing the bill recently, but not so much now.
They (the White House) really are going to go full bore at House Democrats with every gun they’ve got, aren’t they?
Assholes.
I swear this Obama is NOT A Democrat. The D’s in Congress should convene a special session or something and kick his ass out of the D Party.
Stupak has no problem there, – he’ll be a celebrity, a hero to his base and true to his convictions. Win win for Stupack.
I’m sorry what?
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2010/02/10/2010-fire-dogs-kucinich-grayson-and-weiner-win/
Is that not FDL asking us to donate and phone bank for Grayson and Weiner?
Yes you are right on one thing tho, Grayson did not sign the “no PO no Vote” letter.
But so what?
he’s an FDL “Firedog” if he’s not goign to fight for our issues what the hell is the point of that?
I once again ask that you revoke the “Friredog” status from Grayosn and Weiner until they get on national TV and say no PO no vote.
We suffer the same problem the whole progressive caucus does. They don’t believe we’re serious. so take away thier money…if they won’t stand up they won’t get our support.
If we don’t do it we’re just as big hypocrites as the Progressive caucus is.
I read the TPM piece, and plumline.
Grijalva said he found the president’s argument “compelling”.
The president’s argument was that
1. Failure would wreck the presidency
2. PO didn’t have the votes.
That war has been fought and we already lost. Quit asking us to fund the very people who, in the end, will fold. That’s what the “progressive” caucus does.
So, who else thinks that Lynn Woolsey should resign as the head of the House Progressive Caucus for abandoning the last scrap of real health care reform rather than standing strong and leading the 80 or so members of the caucus in a fight with the White House and Senate?
Obama is a centrist answerable to .5% of the economic elites. Democratic solutions applied to a non-democratic system don’t have a snowball’s chance in hell. Not that that type of activism should be abandoned, – but it is not going to put the people in the winners column.
Is this post about contributing to the Progressive Caucus, or is it about holding those to whom we have given our support accountable for folding without a fight?
Jane, thanks for all you do.
Pro-choice Ronald Reagan persuaded a lot of anti-choice Roman Catholics to vote for him.
Readers and commenters at FDL have to support FDL. When we do, we get some leverage to create coalitions with people with whom we don’t always agree.
Hugh, the Fed is your signature issue. Long before others at FDL, I was learning about it from you. HR1202 enjoys the support it now has in large part, because Jane and others convinced progressives and liberals to support it.
Anyone even half aware of what the Progressive Caucus has done in HCR over the past months has got to know that any successes from CPC are due to Grijalva, not Woolsey.
Why have co-chairs? Is is possible to have Grijalva as sole Chair?
*raises hand*
Give Grayson a break on that one, as he appears to be an empath for whom helping one life is reason enough to go along with crap. Look to Grayson for being our voice against Wall Street, which is where we are being screwed into indenture.
“may come at the price of a stand-alone vote that allows Blue Dogs and ConservaDems to join with Republicans and roll them back even further in order to get Bart Stupak’s support.”
I believe Lynn Woolsey will vote to kill the bill if “roll them (abortion rights) back even further” is the price of Stupak voters.
Voting for the bill plus recon – esp with PO is likely via Senate – seems quite progressive to me.
Snakes don’t have toes.
The time to start calling for Woolsey’s resignation as co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus is now.
Btw, is Weiner even a member of the CPC? I don’t think he is.
Are you paying your federal income taxes?
If you are not, then you are doing your part. If you are not paying federal income taxes, I can understand why you would not want to financially support progressive and liberal causes.
But if you are filing and paying your federal income taxes, you are part of the problem. One way to make up for it, is to donate to causes FDL supports.
with respect, i partially, but seriously, disagree in two ways:
first, the administration did not succeed, as far as i am aware, in tying to their veal pen any progressive grassroots organizing efforts for universal healthcare. what they did succeed in doing is co-opting top down dem associated liberal organizations which then assisted the administration in doing two things:
1) they blacklisted the grassroots organizations by treating them as extremists who should not even be permitted to be part of the national discussion
and
2) they succeeded, at least for a time, in substituting a neoliberal model of reform (public / private competition, corp bailouts) for genuine progressive reforms in the national narrative of progressive healthcare reform.
second, big political change is not only the result of elections. elections are also influenced by big political changes via social movement politics. this is especially true for major progress in human rights. as far as i’m aware, it’s always been driven by social movement politics. this has also been true in non-democratic cases. what this means is that all elections in the usa could be cancelled tomorrow and we are not necessarily doomed. our challenges may be greater without a functioning mechanism for change via free and fair competitive elections where we can make choices that will represent out interests, but we are not doomed without them — but only if we supplement a dc centric / electoral politics world view with a social movement world view.
what i think this means is that support for the genuine progressive grassroots and a strategy that supports long term social movement politics are both critical changes to adopt going forward.
I was away for a few minutes. Primary Democrats with rock solid progressives. Counter the bucks with a populist message. As you yourself admit, all the politicians in Washington are bought and that is what we can run against, their corruption. There are no progressives in the Senate and only a couple in the House. Progressive money should only go to our progressives, not to the current crop of PINOs in Congress (Progressive in Name Only). Maybe we should call them PUVs (Progressive Until Voting)?
Yes, I agree.
I am in CA-06 and Woolsey is my critter. How should I proceed?
Fair enough. Grayosn is no longer a Friredog.
But GRAYSON and Weiner at least paid a visit here. They behaved themselves and called no one names such as liberal intelligentia. So I must think both are FIREDOGS. They do have some fire in them.
The fix is in – I figure the House will pass the Senate bill and the Senate will never get around to doing the reconcliation thing. My guess is this is just cover to all the so-called progressive caucus to cave and blame it all on the big bad Senate.
By-the-by, the Obama Presidency is already over, he and Rahm killed it – the House Progressives can’t save it. Their ain’t no reason to try.
After the vote, if there is one, I’d like to see FDL remove support, and ask for a return of donations for any Firedogs who vote for passage with no PO.
Links sent to firedog action address at gmail.com
king O finally met with the progressives and they all got weak kneed, and
flattered. So they will obey him and Nancy. yay. a political victory for them, and nada for us.
Agreed. If Grayson manages to help in this one area then even a failure to stand on the PO still makes him a hero in my book.
400,000 workers per months will soon start exhausting their unemployment benefits.
Where’s their healthcare to come from?
Where’s their Hope to come from when we’re looking at real unemployment continuing apace for a decade if not longer?
If I lived in her district, I’d start by writing a letter and sending it to local papers with the hope of them publishing it. Calling her offices is fine, but it’s far better to express publicly your unhappiness with her being a progressive who folds even before the fight begins. The more of her fellow constituents see it, the more responsive she may be. Newspapers do publish those letters. I wrote one when I was in high school and sent it to Newsday on Long Island. They published it.
If I were writing such a letter, I’d also mention Firedoglake and Jane Hamsher’s call for Woolsey to resign as co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus.
There was a useful tool in a widget here at FDL a couple of days ago that helped us find local papers and addresses and such. Anyone know where to find it now?
I think in general this a high level endorsement of what FDL would like to do.
If you primary lefties from the left, Madison, WI Dem, Tammy Baldwin, the rest of the Democrats will hammer us. At this stage, I do not think we have anywhere near the resources.
Health care was our best shot to get something done on an ISSUE.
We got crushed on FISA, because no one cared. The polls supported reform on health care. We learned that single payer would not fly, so Jane wisely tried to draw a line in the sand with the PO.
We will get crushed on campaign finance reform and spending for the Pentagon (it employs people).
We need to reach out on issues/legislation such as auditing the Fed. I think there is a lot more bang for the buck. Plus it holds the attention of a wider audience. That is a key in building a progressive caucus.
I do not see fully grown progressive candidates emerging in the short term on whom even a majority of us will agree.
What we are really about is creating a community that hold progressives accountable.
If you want to criticize Jane, do it for fundraising for anything other than FDL. The net of the criticism here is that Jane should beg more money for FDL and not for candidates.
The big papers here are the Press Democrat and the Marin Independant Journal, but there are several smaller regional papers that might be worthwhile to write. Thanks, Knox…I’m on it.
What is wrong with these people? Have their lives been threatened? Have the lives of family members been threatened? I heard her in her own words, swearing she would not vote without a “robust public option.” Their is seriously something wrong with these people. Are they getting outright payments from the insurance industry?
His 31 million are those of us that he is forcing into the insurance cartel.
I agree. The morning of the White House’s bs health care summit, I wrote Where is Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-NY)? If we don’t call them out for failing to fight, then accountability now is meaningless.
I defer to Jane on this one. If she wants to keep raising money for candidates, I will back her.
I thought the risks she took on health care were well worth the cash that I contributed. If we had not contributed, the insurance companies would have already been counting their no risk revenue from the mandates from the legislation they wrote.
That VICTORY gets lost in this thread. Against huge odds, we blocked, at least for awhile, really bad legislation.
A lot of guys I know contribute to the NRA. They know the NRA is scum. They know the NRA courts donations from thug gun dealers who routinely sell guns used to kill police officers. They do not care. They will continue to maintain their membership in the NRA.
just wait for the pro industry loopholes that will magically show up in this bill and make the ‘reform’ part of it even more a travesty than it already is.
Brace yourself!
According to Schakowsky:
Grijalva may not be committed to anything yet, but I don’t see him putting any pressure whatsoever on Obama, or fighting for the progressive position at all, based on published accounts of the meeting. Kucinich did. He was a no going in, and a no going out. Grijalva, not so much.
the cpc members who signed their own damn pledge already went back on it when they voted for the house bill.
Is there a meaningful, specific strategy for attacking that specific problem- a way to tear down the veal pen? What’s being done on that front?
Well, primaries. That’ll work now, won’t it?
Let’s not even get into how damn difficult it is to recruit viable candidates of any persuasion. If you’d like to travel around the country doing so, please, let me know. Then you’ve got to raise the money for them to get elected, unless prayer is working better than I have reason to think at this moment in time. And then let’s say you can do this in HALF THE DISTRICTS IN THE COUNTRY.
So we carry these primary challengers to victory. We help them win their races. Then they get in and they become subject to the same pressures that exist right now to keep their seats. You know, like Jerry McNerney or Donna Edwards or others we have supported who are caving right now.
Think it through, Hugh. It’s an incomplete model. You’re just throwing more raw meat through the same meat grinder.
For some reason he casts a spell over these Reps..They have some kind of drug induced euphoria when he speaks.. and then roll out the telemprompter in front of those imported white coats, and it’s televised evangelism, of a kind.
I think that we should take heart in the success of the left in promoting the candidacy of Halter. This is a case study of what we should continue to do. This political strength of the left has not gone unnoticed and we should appreciate and understand this approach for what it means.
I see no reason to be gloomy about our prospects in reshaping Congress in a meaningful even if limited way. But other collective initiatives like corporate boycotts and the rest should also be employed. I think we should think big and cast a wide net.
We should brace opurselves for a determined effort on more than one front.
As one commentator said, “it’s a lose/lose for Obama no matter what happens with this bill travesty.
do you think the pressure is coming from within the party (maybe something like, “do as we tell you or we’ll make an example of you”)?
or is it somewhere / something else?
I can’t do that I’m afraid sir.
Why is financial reform going to be any different? What has changed from the health care fight to the financial fight that ensures Grayson is actually going to live up to all his hot air?
Nothing..nothing at all.
@109
What? How is that even logical? I pay my taxes so I’m not truly a progressive? dude, one of the progressive points is a progressive tax scale. Taxes are definately part of the progressive mindset.
I’m not happy about how my taxes get spent, but I’m not going to be the one sole guy who doesn’t pay and gets trampled by the IRS. If revolution or a real movement comes, sure I’ll stop, but we’re not there and I like public schools.
And contributing to FDL causes makes me up for having payed my taxes? I’m not an FDL drone dude, FDL gets my support when I agree with them, and not in any other way. And continuing to support Grayson and Weiner is wrong.
@113
That’s the problem with being a spelling nazi…you better be damn sure you type everything perfect or it makes you look like a bigger fool than you were trying to make me look like.
please ty again.
So they came and talked here and that’s enough to get your support? That’s very pathetic I must say. If Glenn beck posted on here in a reasonable tone of voice would you then believe everything he says and buy his books?
What they say is meaningless also. Only how they vote matters.
they do not deserve to be firedogs, and I ask again we suspend them from that status.
Jane, this mass appeal strategy isn’t working.
I think the point is we need to start being more strategic with our money. No more donating till the vote is in, and ONLY donate to those who vote how we want.
Perhaps. But more systemically I think it’s due to the fact that they have to get elected and the money gets shut off if they take a stand against the bill.
I know I sound like a broken record, but until we can find a way to create a grassroots funding model FOR INCUMBENTS, it’s never going to be any different. When we can prove that we can reliably do that, then threatening to withdraw that support has real meaning. Right now, we don’t have that.
I’m not certain that the totality of the problem can be explained in terms of pressure from within. To a large extent it’s the absence of active, visible and loud pressure (support) from the people that makes it difficult for them to feel heroic when to all appearances the country doesn’t seem to care. They need to be able to point to the latest news of continuous large student/union/people protests, to support their positions.
But continuing to fund incumbents that just straight out ignore us, or talk but then fold come vote time isn’t help us either. If anythign it’s a waste of resources.
But what it does give them is the fake mantle of progressive. Weiner gets so much play because we’ve given him the progressive mantle. If we take it away he’s not our voice any longer.
I just read the article you linked to try to clarify – it does seem that “He” in the second paragraph of your excerpt is Obama. So when Obama is strong-arming the PC behind closed doors, he says it’s “not something we can pass” as if he and the Senate and the House are all on the same team, and they have collectively decided they can’t pass it. But in public he’s happy to have his minions put the blame on whoever is the designated holdout of the day. Not that I am in any way excusing Grijalva who, especially behind closed doors, should have put up a better fight.
So who then is your huckleberry, or are you planning tilting at windmills on your own? Go clone yourself.
thanks. in addition to the issue of wealth inequality, going to be hard to do so long as cpc keeps letting us down. chicken. egg.
not having deep pockets, it’s not something i can do. but good luck.
Well unless the grassroots is just a myth there is a base to work from. We aren’t looking for professional politicians. Recruitment could be done from within the grassroots. The same for getting the signatures to get on the ballot. Remember Dean was quite successful turning resources over to local party leaders. We could be doing the same among progressives. I agree primaries are too late for this cycle but then this is something I have been trying to push for 6 months or more. But it isn’t going to happen until we make it happen, until outreach to the grassroots is done, candidates are chosen and put on the ballot in a timely fashion.
There is a huge groundswell of anger, disappointment, and fear out in the country. Democrats tied to Obama are going to get hammered by it. Republicans, not us because the ground work wasn’t done, are going to benefit from it. But the Republicans and Blue Dog Democrats like Obama are still not going to fix anything so that anger is only going to grow. We should be looking to 2012 now and building slates to take on all comers, Republican, Democrat, and Teabagger.
ISTM that Woolsey fails the Bob Dole criterion: She can’t count votes. That alone should disqualify her from leadership. That she seems to make up vote counts out of whole cloth may be down to her being too ready to hear what she wants to hear. Nevertheless, she clearly doesn’t know what her own caucus is thinking. She needs to develop better listening skills or let herself be replaced by someone who has them.
“It’s not working?”
I don’t think you can say that. I think it’s had a profound effect and it’s made it very difficult for progressives (and Obama himself) to jettison the public option all along.
The reason it passed in the House bill the first time was due to pressure from progressives, and one of the highlights of that effort was the fundraising drive. The White House wanted it out of that bill and they couldn’t get it out. That’s really when it took hold in public consciousness as something that was important. And the Senate’s failure to include it made them look even more corrupt.
Obama himself had to express support for the PO in September, when he very much wanted to get rid of it.
If they’d been able to pass their bill quickly, there never would have been time for the stories of the secret deals and the unaffordability to get out there. Public support started to drip away as word spread. And that’s been a huge factor in preventing them from jamming the Senate bill through.
One of the biggest challenges we face is that people online like simple stories and only believe that enormous change represents a “success.” “Yeah, we won! We passed it!” And anything else is dismissed as “incrementalism.”
The fact that the Senate bill might not pass, the insurance companies and PhRMA might not get what they want, because of a relentless day-by-day effort is meaningless.
If the Senate bill passes, then you might be able to say that. But if it doesn’t, perhaps some thought should be given to any effort that kept an insurance industry bailout from passing under the guise of “health care reform” in defining what a “success” is.
I’m not sure what you’re describing here, Jane. We can certainly fund them through ActBlue, just like we can fund challengers. What’s the difference that you’re seeing?
that is the problem, no priciples, but then again, we are that way. In Mn we do not choose our candidates on principle, we choose them on who is “electable”
You do realize we do this all day long through Accountability Now, yes?
And that your dismissal of anyone who might be a “professional politician” kind of limits the pool of people who want to be…wait for it…”professional politicians?”
Exactly. The issue for me is: when, in the foreseeable future, are we ever going to be dealt a better hand than the one we have this year? Fighting within this failed two-party system just got demonstrably harder because the Democrats and Obama failed (on purpose, in my opinion) to turn their majorities into anything positive to build on. If we can’t even count on Grijalva and Weiner and Grayson, who have all been given tremendous support by the progressive community, to vote the right way when push comes to shove, what the fuck is the point?
Holy shite. That was a solid left-hook. While we’re on the subject, can we get rid of Jane Harman?
when it comes to a vote on this and if Grijalva votes yes with no public option, and we don’t form a new party, I don’t know what it will take.
I was more addressing the fact that outside of Grayson, we don’t usually fund incumbents. We usually fund challengers, largely on the emotion whipped up around defeating the people they’re running against.
Once they’re in office, the lobbyists become their funding stream. Readers think they’re in office so they should be able to raise their own money, without thinking about how they’re going to have to go about doing that.
Rich people and corporate interests. That’s how you raise a half million dollars a year. For people who are perpetually running for office, that’s powerful.
There’s always supporting progressive infrastructure for the long-term rather than the short-term election battles–if it has to be one or the other.
Speaking only for me, I don’t think of the current health care bill as an incremental step, I think of it as a huge step backwards. I could be wrong about that, but I don’t think I’ve ever been concerned about incremental changes. That seems to be what the Krugmans, et. al., worry about, that you can’t have one thing without another.
I’d have been happy for some incremental progress. Except for the increased Medicaid mandate, I’m just not seeing anything.
That’s why it’s hard to sell the idea that we’re making progress here. In the end, what we’re going to end up with is as bad or worse than what we had. The only thing we might be able to claim (how realistically, I’m not sure at this point) is that it could have been worse.
Hugh, imho, here is one really qualified candidate, who will not run.
Marotta named new Bradley Center board chairman
Played basketball with Doc Rivers at Marquette under Rick Majerus. Majerus’ Dad btw, was huge in LABOR. Marotta is Harvard Law, very savvy guy. Worked for Jim Doyle in Madison and got beat up for it, by the right wing press. He ran for Congress in the 90′s as a Dem and lost.
Who wants to get on the phone all day and try to raise money?
We need to be developing candidates at the state level and we do not have the resources.
Sounds like a good argument for public funding of elections.
worse than whores, whores would never get away with not giving you anything for your money.
Have to admit, I’m used to thinking that way. It sounds to me, though, that it’s not so much a mechanism that’s needed, but a change of emphasis.
One thing that would help is trying to keep track of who supports progressive causes, and who consistently lets us down. I keep wondering how to do that in a somewhat objective fashion, but I haven’t really come up with any ideas.
Make a contribution to Marcy Winograd at ActBlue. I did.
2012, that’s three more years of rape and pillage, – you think this country will be the same after the bottom falls out and we move into a lower case ‘y’ recession, i.e. depression?
looks like there will be lotsa grassroots in the offing, but also lotsa glib tongued pols ready to take the place of the current crop.
The party platform should be considered inviolable. Seniority should be chucked in favor of the most active and effective pro platform members.
The system is broken, the apples are rotting and casting new apples into the old basket will get you status quo only.
that’s a simple story i don’t like. different people disagree about this stuff. there are people arguing that the senate bill represents a step forward and should be supported for that reason. other people see it as an industry bailout which does nothing to control costs. i don’t think the issue is incrementalism at all — i think there is genuine disagreement about what constitutes a step forward.
I honestly can’t figure out why on earth Grijalva would vote yes. It gets him absolutely nowhere with his core constituents (at least once the details of the bill come to light) and to the rest of the AZ wingnuts, voting no, especially against the mandate, would actually give him some credibility. I don’t get it.
I don’t think Jane meant that the current health care bill is an incremental step. I think she meant that, by ensuring that the debate would be lengthy, we were able to raise awareness of the importance of health care reform and a public option and raise awareness of just how fucked up and corrupt the Senate is. Those are steps in the right direction, no? She also seems to be saying that the current plan to pass the Senate’s bad joke on the American people must be stopped.
I agree, but a huge part of me considers this to be possibly asking for failure as well. Just algorithmically it’s a losing proposition. The monied interests fund, fund, fund, then the politicians they buy help skew the rules so they become even-more-monied interests. They extract that money from the rest of us. They perpetually have more money to spend on campaigns, and we have less. Rinse, repeat.
Attempting to finance campaigns puts us squarely in the absolutely diminishing and unsustainable part of that cycle. All they have to do is bleed us dry. It’s tantamount to an electoral version of a deep-pockets litigation strategy.
What can we do to figure out how to remove money as a broad necessary component of campaign success? What social trends can be pushed, political hot-buttons, etc. Can you build a successful campaign on little more than dedicated volunteers, focused message, and a healthy dose of guile? What kinds of offices can you reach? Which of them will have the greatest auxiliary impact on local, regional, national politics? Reps? AG’s? Commissioners?
Maybe when we’re thinking grassroots, we’re not thinking roots enough?
Would it be possible to setup some kind of conference, like a Google Wave or something to invite people to discuss these issues? To crowd-source strategy and resources?
Check out Amy Goodman today regarding the education situation. According to that expert, Obama policies are worse than Bush.
she’s for real, i plan to get some steal toed Doc Martens and go kick down some doors on her behalf.
It’s hard to follow that train of thought when the end result is a bill that is, at least to my way of thinking, a clear step backward. Yes, it’s good that the public is more aware of these issues. It’s good that progressives have some way of countering the meme that the public option or health care reform in general is something that people don’t want. Perhaps in the long run, that may come to something.
However, in the meantime the Congress is on its way to establishing the idea that we will take care of people by buying them crap insurance. It will establish this as a point of law, and as bureaucracy that will take on a life of its own.
So, in the end, we find ourselves in the position of the stimulus bill – we do some good, but there’s more good that needs doing than there was before.
Obama is a Class warrior for the Haves.
He’s not impressing me in the area of human rights, either.
I think Jane agrees with you. Read the last paragraph in her response to you @ 146 again.
We had a long tradition in this country of citizen politicians. If you are running a populist campaign, then recruiting knowledgeable but not professional politicians is precisely the way to go. Even you don’t bring up Accountability Now that often. What is it doing? How successful has it been? Was it out recruiting solid progressives to primary Democrats this cycle? How many? Which ones? If it is about accountability, how have Democrats and in particular progressive Democrats been held to account? You continue to praise Grijalva but he appears far from rock solid on his vote.
And all of this talk about the keeping the public option alive for months. The bottomline is that it is gone. Remember too during most of that time the PO was an empty husk, applicable to almost no one, to be more expensive, and, of course, delayed until 2014 anyway.
The constant caving in of “Progressives” in Congress demoralizes and/or enrages their supporters in the progressive base. Then, such groups as some of the Tea Party versions and/or at worst the Oath Keepers siphon off some people out of sheer frustration that there are no similar groups practicing strong actions on the left. I have seen this happen several times in my local area in the overall liberal Pacific Northwest. Sad and ultimately dangerous to all because those groups are already growing briskly by themselves out of the wingnut and moderate populations.
We are doomed. If we keep supporting the democratic party, we are doomed. We’ve had how many people sign on to the letters saying they would not vote without a public option, and now they are voting without it. How does anyone continue to support that? If they are not going to fight for us why should we fight for them come election time.
I agree with you. Based on the little bit of reading I’ve done about the civil rights movement, and how movements work in general, is that influencing powerholders in DC through elections or DC-based non-profits is only one piece of the puzzle to bring about change.
FDL seems stuck in a pre August 2008 mentality where it’s vision still seemed sound. That was Kansas, and we ain’t there no more pups.
Time to reboot into a new and bleak reality!
We did not determine the length of the debate. Obama did when he decided to go through Baucus and Grassley in the Senate.
Yeah, if there was a Progressive megaphone like Fox News, politicians would feel safe in backing progressive bills. They don’t want to take a risk, they want to vote for something that’s a safe bet.
Do you want Jane to ask people to file, but not PAY their federal income taxes?
I think that’s incorrect thinking.
If we’re calling delaying the same outcome by over a year “victory” then we need to redefine what victory is.
At the end of the day all we did was delay it a year. It’s the exact same bill all around, the same one the white house wanted from Day 1.
I’m sorry I don’t consider that a win, and it’s not enough to build around. you said it yourself, what we have been trying so far is not working.
they are all corporate and they think they have to pass this and the majority of people will not figure it out that we have been screwed until it kicks in, years down the road, after 2010. Bernie Sanders just said today we have to revisit it because what they are going to pass is not good. What do they think? Do they actually think we are going to elect more democrats when they can’t do it with the house, Senate and White house. Does he actually think that after we give billions more to the insurance industry, they are not just going to buy more whores? Bernie sold out for more free clinics and medicare in Vermont. I am happy for Vermont. But what about the rest of us?
I think your position wrt to the influence of money on elected officials is untenable. You cannot deny the fact that once in office, however well intentioned, elected officials will aquiesce to money backed influence if it means that in exchange they will not have to face opposition.
If this is granted then the only way out of this quandary is for each state to adopt public funding of campaings while at the same time disallowing corporate contributions. Or alternatively if corporations provide funding for a given candidate or a perniciouos issue then that corporation should be boycotted.
The underlying strategy is not to deny that money influences elected officials but rather to punish economically entities that use money to exert that influence. Again, these boycotts do not need to involve the entire population the state but instead to a significant number of dedicated activists from the left.
This is a viable strategy that can adopted nationwide.
If you’re referring to the Senate Finance Committee bs, that was only a couple of months out of a debate that’s been going on for about a year now. Anyway, your point is well taken. There were many factors that went into the extended length of the current debate.
Actually it probably is a victory–and if the bill actually dies it would be even bigger. The progressive movement isn’t yet strong enough to reach its ultimate goals. I try not to despair, you’ll just get burned out. I’d guess the movement has another ten years of growth ahead of it before the big successes happen.
The discrepancy between the demographic of a particular politician and those of the place they represent has always been something I’ve wanted to put together in an interactive web-app. Just never had the time to pull resources from other projects to push it forward.
It’s a lot of data modeling and mining mostly. The “view” layer is pretty straight forward.
When you really think about it, why should the Democrats care that they’re handing victory to the Republicans? Almost any Democrat in federal office today is significantly more similar, socio-economically, to any given Republican than they are to any significant number of their constituents. Diane Feinstein knows that no matter how big of an ass Jim DeMint is, Jim DeMint is never going to do anything to fundamentally disrupt her lifestyle, or that of her loved ones. Because, in order for Jim DeMint to muck things up for Feinstein, he’d have to muck things up for himself. They’re part of the same strata of society.
Well said.
How do you boycott Wall Street, and I don’t mean deposit based Banks? The percentage of economic activity accruing to the Financial industry is huge.
All that american people have left is their ability to coalesce into massive protest. The money game has been lost.
No offense…but I heard that 20 years ago when clinton got elected.
I’m not believing it now either. the problem is not that the movement isn’t “mature”
The problem is that the movement is cowardly. We’re unwilling to shake up the status quo to get what we want. We’re terrified of messing with the Democratic party machine.
Cowardice is not going to get us anywhere just like it’s nto getting Obama anywhere.
that money Bernie got was for clinics across the US, not just VT.
This discussion reminds me of two quotes:
As you know, one element of this that’s not helping us is Rahm only gets tough with progressives and never with conservatives. Obama has a Republican Chief of Staff. We must thoughtfully counterattack those who are attacking us.
I think the successful strategies are the ones that prove conventional beltway wisdom is wrong:
* Alan Grayson’s small donor fundraising as an effective strategy for keeping one’s principles and not capitulating to corporations.
* Accountability Now’s efforts against Blanche Lincoln
* We should align ourselves with other populist groups on the issues we have in common, as Jane did with Grover.
* You’ve heard of muscle confusion? We need conventional beltway confusion together with progressive message clarity and consistency. We should all be able to recite what the progressive platform is.
- Tom
I can’t speak to that since I wasn’t involved in politics then. But you don’t see any growth in the movement over the last 20 years?
Obama is the farthest from a coward, he’s a good soldier for, as Nathan A. says, the ‘ same strata society’, – I think you misspoke.
I doubt that the progressive platform varies much from the Democratic Party platform. The problem is these people aren’t Democrats anymore.
But we don’t have to compete with them financially.
We have something else they need, just as much as money.
But most here are too afraid to use that leverage, just as afraid of the Democrats they’re complaining about.
WE HAVE THE VOTE. IF WE WITHHOLD IT, in time they will work for our vote in the same way they work for the money. Right now, they don’t HAVE to work for our vote, because we give it to them just because they’re not Republican.
We’re NEVER going to be able to compete financially. EVER.
And until we really, no bullshit, no just talk and no action, ACTUALLY withhold our votes, then NOTHING is going to change.
I’ll say again, doing the same thing over and over again (voting for the Democrat just because he’s “better” than the Republican) and expecting a different result is…… well you know.
Twenty years later we have, sadly, elected another DLC centrist who continues to sell us out at every opportunity. Growth? No.
I was still a teenager during those years, but it was during my political awakening.
And no, I see absolutely no difference between the Progressive movement now and then.
Clinton – “We can’t do what the left wants, we have to be willing the compromise, don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good”
Obama – “We can’t do what the left wants, we have to be willing the compromise, don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good”
That’s zero change…zero.
Progressives are still giving us the same bullshit excuses they gave us during the Clinton years, we still have a right wing that’s lying it’s way to power.
I ask you, what has changed?
Nothing, and as long as we’re terrified of throwing a wrench in the party machine we’re always going to be relegated to the back rows.
Jane, arguably among the firciest of the left, is content with doing nothing but delaying the bill a year.
That’s bullshit. That’s not victory. That in in fact the opposite of victory, it is defeat. Yet you go around the lefty blog o sphere and that’s apaprently some huge success of the movement.
I’ll be honest right now, I come here because it’s among the most radicalized of the lefty blogs, but that being said it’s still way to tame for it’s own good.
This always makes me feel better.
Jane – If money, or the need for it, is what is driving the votes of Rep. Donna Edwards et al, it seems that we may already have half the solution. Many of us firedogs have given to, ActBlue, so we have proved that there is a funding source. The key is control of those funds. He who is perceived to have control over doling out money, has power over those who receive those dollars, and thereby some measure of control over how they vote & act. One person, or (probably better) a small group, needs to have control of that funding, and to make it known that they are in control. I could see you being one of those individuals, and a ‘Trusted’ member of Congress, who knows the what and when of what is going on, what is coming up for votes, etc. The ONLY member of Congress whom I have any speck of trust for is Dennis Kucinich.
That being said, let me disclose that Dennis Kucinich is the only Congressman that I have donated to multiple times. He is about the only one that seems to warrant any trust, and IMO has proven himself on a consistent basis by his words, by his votes and by his actions.
Just my 2 cents. I’ll leave now.
Unfortunately the IUD device from Canada can’t be re-imported since re-importation has been stripped out of the Senate bill along with ALL other progressive items, a bill for which House “progressives” (they aren’t in reality) will now be voting. Fooled you again! (How many times does that total–anyone keeping count?)
That’s what I have been saying all along.Some just insert ‘emselves into the caucus just so many of us think that they are progressive,nothing can be further from the truth.
How about Jan Schakowsky,seems like she has had the same kool aid as Woosley.
And I wish someone would address the issue of “pre-existing conditions” because they’re selling that as a “reform” and the last time I heard that regulation had the “fraud loophole” in it that basically makes that one worthless, and just like today.
I wish someone could confirm or reject that for me.
Teabaggers seem to be able to control the Republican Party by being willing to lose to Democrats here and there. And the Republican Party has enough discipline to control the Senate with a mere 41 vote majority.
You are absolutely right that we need to withhold votes. Voting for them only encourages them.
Unfortunately money is a big factor. I take action, write, call, give, etc., but every month that passes I become more aware of how these people only become wealthier after they’ve been kicked out for betraying us. There are no consequences that we can create that are bad enough to make them walk away from what the rich have to offer. (Well, maybe if this was France 1793. But I’m not willing to give up the comforts of my life to make real change happen yet.)
Thank you for the compliment. We are lefty or some of us. But tame, not everyone. Also thank you for telling us what is good for us. We need more of that type of advice.
I’ve been calling Schakowsky’s office every day for months. Sometimes her staffers will say there are not enough votes for the Public Option in the HOUSE. I don’t think she ever really supported it. She’s a complete fake. And she knows she can get away with it, because the Illinois primary already happened. In Chicago, primaries are the closest things we have to elections, and she didn’t even have a challenger.
Good two cents, and Kucinich is indeed the only worth lending direct support. That said, hoping to win with money in politics is a loosing proposition, which is soon to become the pinnacle of absurdity.
Our opposition has been gaining wealth while we have been bleeding it. Add to it the latest (Gore v. Bush being the first usurpation of democracy) Supremes’ campaign finance decision, contemplating fund raising as a strategy seems almost or entirely out of sync. with the new reality.
I in fact did not tell you what is good for you. I told you what I think is bad for you. Small difference, but important.
In a world where “moderate” means right-wing, “Democrat” means “Republican,” and universal healthcare means socialism, “progressive” means pretty much nothing. :(
If there is no loop hole there, rest assured that one will be supplied in the dead of night and the nick of time, if necessary, before the grand signing of a historic blah, blah-blah. You and I will be engaged in the vomatorium during that event, of course.
Is anybody working on adding all those California students who are siding with unions and janitors as well as worrying about their own tuition to our cause? California appears to be going progressive in response to the insanity rather than teabagger. California Dems in safe Dem districts might not be all that safe if they aren’t walking the walk because a lot of young people with the time and energy and hope of making a real difference are paying attention and organizing.
Didn’t Woolsey also fundraise for Jane Harman? Or am I getting it confused? If so, she needed to go down for that as well as this and I doubt it will be hard to find a better Dem in a district that is that Dem leaning.
The public option would receive at least 51 Democratric votes in the Senate, which is why the Obama White House and the Congressional Democratic leadership won’t allow it to see the light of day in an up or down vote in the Senate as part of reconciliation–It would force reluctant Senate Democrats to choose between the voters (who support the public option by 60% or more) and their special interest funders. As I’ve written in the Huffington Post, the real reason there’s no public option in the final legislation is that the Obama White House made a deal with the for-profit hospital industry that there would be no natonal public option.
According to the NY Times: “Several hospital lobbyists involved in the White House deals said it was understood…that the final legislation would not include a government-run health plan…’We have an agreement with the White House [that there will be no national public option]‘ one of the industry lobbyists, Chip Kahn, director of the Federation of American Hospitals told a Capitol Hill newsletter.”
Jane, since the MSM don’t seem to want to touch this story further, you should investigate it and publicize it on FDL which migh embarrass the White House and/or Congressional Dems to allow an up or down vote in the Senate on the public option as part of reconciliation.
I wouldn’t bet on the mandates being rescinded. The insurance companies with all their money like that part of it too much. The Republicans will run against it, but like NCLB, it will be reviled by all and yet still around for us to deal with.
It’s a question of being practical.
Say you are given 2 methods of proceeding, one in which your focus is dissipated much as in the case of the Tbaggers demonstrating on one weekend and the other in which you pick a particularly offensive bank, eg BoA and then a dedicated say 100,000 depositors nationwide on given day actually or threaten to withdraw their funds if credit card interest rates are not lowered to say 5 points above the prime rate.
Which is more likely to obtain your goals. It is not just the direct effect of the collective action that matters, it is also the corporation realizing that ultimately its wellbeing is at the mercy of the public. It is a case of demonstrating to corporations that they do not wield unbridled power.
This approach carries the added benefit that it does not rely in the slightest to any petition to the government.
Lynn Woolsey, destroying progressive values to save the Obama presidency. I’m sure he’ll be grateful forever. Thanks, Lynn, for selling us out.
I suspect that that issue is seen as a state issue (although the same thing is happening in other states) vs. a national issue. IOW, the fallout of the schools issue isn’t going to be on fed pols, but state pols, imho.
Our state govt is completely constipated due to Prop 13. Neither side (Ds or Rs) can fix it if they wanted to. It would have to be another proposition to repeal it (or something).
He’s a passive aggressive kinda guy, Obama is. Sending Gruber out is exactly his style. You won’t see him out there putting it on the line to be disliked by anyone. He’ll be the shining bipartisany noble guy while maneuvering behind the scenes to either get what he wants and blame others if anyone doesn’t like it or not get what he wants and blame others for that.
I’m of the opinion that the mandates, employer and/or individual, are the core of the whole thing. Obama has said all along he wanted every American to be covered. What better way than legally require them to buy health insurance. Oh, we’ll subsidize those who can’t afford it. That sounds like another unfunded Grand Symbolic Gesture to me. The requirement stands but the money is nowhere in sight.
The Republicans have demonstrated that framing/messaging is probably the most powerful strategy for achieving success. Just to be clear, there is a difference between framing and manipulation.
Like a hammer, framing is a tool that can be used for either good or bad. Through lies and deceit, Republicans like Karl Rove use framing to distort a person’s perception of reality away from the truth. With truth, facts and evidence, Progressives can use framing to bring a person’s perception closer to reality. This is the difference between false and truthful framing.
I believe how we frame the health reform issue is no different than what a political candidate must do to win an election. As Dr. Drew Westen points out, to be successful we must stay focused on four different stories:
1) Our message about our issue/candidate.
2) The opponent’s message about our issue/candidate.
3) Our message about the opponent’s issue/candidate.
4) The opponent’s message about their issue/candidate.
If we fight in all four quadrants above (i.e. have a progressive message for each area and hammer these messages throughout the blogosphere, to our Congress members, progressive candidates and mainstream media–where possible), we will be effective.
- Tom
Why that exact technique has been working so well with my four chows for years!! /snark
That’s crazy thinking if the people at the national level are thinking it’s only a state thing. They are fighting for something at the state level, but the way they see the fight is exactly how progressives want the nation to think. People bemoan the fact that all those young idealistic Obama voters are going to be disillusioned and turned off for a generation, but here are a bunch of them getting riled up and saying they want a change in economic and political policy, not just lower tuition. If anyone in this stupid country lets that pass without trying to help them channel it and make it a national rallying cry, we really are doomed by our own stupidity and learned helplessness. It’s pathetic enough when people seem to be waiting for another charismatic leader to take us where they thought Obama was going to, but when you already have organized people wanting to go there and can’t be bothered to get up off asses and try to support it, that’s beyond pathetic. CA is a huge state with a lot of Reps in Congress and a huge economy and there’s a chance of making it once again an example of how progressive policies make people happier and more prosperous while governments in bathtubs just create more misery.
Great work, Jane, it is tough battling one’s own nominal “allies,” but with the Obama/Emanuel administration (“Bush-III”) effectively PURGING genuinely “liberal” Democrats (from the front page news headlines, if not from the party, like Rep. Wexler, and now Massa), SOMEONE has to try to insert a SPEC of “democratic” in to the Democrat Party.
I apologize in advance for my next comment: it might be a tad “OFF TOPIC” for “Lynn Woolsey should resign,” but it is square ON topic,
“Pelosi and Obama (& Emanuel) _now PLAYING HARDBALL_ against any and all Progressives opposed to their ‘MANDATES’ atrocity of a ‘health care’ ‘reform’ bill.”
“it is also the corporation realizing that ultimately its wellbeing is at the mercy of the public”
Considering 138 Billion of guarantees to BoA no matter what the fuck we say – you got that right, and it proves you wrong – paradox.
It’s a new world out there, check it out.
I’m thinkin’ there’s gonna be a lot of brainstorming between students and activists during Spring Break. Gotta have more than one issue to keep the momentum up. Great opportunity to become active right now.
Works equally well with the tigers. Also.
So are we going to get out the vote this November or not? This is what democrats do guys! They get on tv and talk shit and then they back down as soon as they can. It is time to let them lose elections.
Aren’t there a sufficient number of Democrats who are retiring who could be persuaded to make this courageous vote?
Are you paying your federal income taxes?
There’s a lot of time between now and then. Even though filing dates are almost upon us in most states, the possibility that somebody will step up is still there. Gonna be a lot of things going on in the next 7 months, gotta play each ball as it’s hit. We have to be careful in encouraging folks not to vote because in most cases there are other issues on the general election ballot that directly affects that voter. I have to be specific about a race or candidate if I encourage a “no vote” or a vote for a third party or write in.
Never. Give. Up.
(below comment censored at HuffPost, but posted (for now) at Simon Johnson’s BaseLineScenario.com)
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_”Does The Obama Administration EVEN WANT To WIN In November?”_ !!
There it is, Simon, but the REASON is actually FAR WORSE than you have analyzed:
The “Obama team” DOES NOT CARE if Democrats LOSE, BIG, in November 2010
(what Jane Hamsher called the coming “MASSACRE of Democrats in 2010″)
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/11/04/lessons-learned-in-va-and-nj-is-rahm-emanuel-orchestrating-2010-democratic-massacre/
…NOT because they are “rudderless and listless,” but because RAHM EMANUEL is a JOE LIEBERMAN clone, who, like Lieberman in 2006 and 2008, WANTS Rethuglicans to WIN,
because both Lieberman & Emanuel are NEO-CONS on the 2 signature issues of Neo-Cons:
#1. the TRANSFER of wealth, FROM working-stiff Americans, TO THE WEALTHY, via EVERY means possible
(tax-cuts for rich, war profiteering, DEREGULATION & outright larceny in financial markets; to that ultimate “redistribution of wealth” tactic, BAILOUTS, the DIRECT EXTORTION of taxpayer dollars, given to wealthy bankers)
#2. PRO-WARS. Rahm Emanuel is FAR CLOSER to PAUL WOLFOWTIZ, Michael CHERTOFF, John Bolton, Josh Bolten, Scooter Libby, Doug Feith, and other BUSH ADMINISTRATION radical Right-Wing Neo-Con Republican WAR AGITATORS & profiteers, than he is to ANYONE in the “Liberal,” Progressive, democratic camp.
Emanuel’s father was an Irgun guerrilla in the wars to establish Israel after WWII… the Irgun only the Likud’s Likudniks.
Bill Clinton may have wooed the Wall Street Neo-Cons in the later half of his “Triangulation” presidency, but make no mistake: there is NOTHING “liberal” or “Democratic” about Pres. Obama’s Goldman-Sachs “economics” crew, Geithner and Bernanke are blatantly Republican, and Summers, Emanuel, and the other Rubinites are “Democrats” only so far as the Democrat Congress & White House will hand TRILLIONS of taxpayer extorted “bailout” dollars to their Wall Street banking coffers.
Don’t take my word for it, here is DownWithTyranny’s magnificent commenatary, from within days of Election 2006, about how RAHM EMANUEL TRIED to SABOTAGE the Democrats chances for a Majority win in November 2006, because a continuation of a Republican Congressional majority, would have allowed Bush & Cheney to EXPAND the U.S. war in Iraq… to IRAN.
http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2006/11/how-rahm-emanuel-lost-house-for.html
Here’s the AIPAC lobby – Dick Cheney’s MOST POWERFUL support group – CHEERING Cheney’s “We MUST BOMB IRAN NOW!” speech, at the AIPAC March 2007 annual conference in D.C., mere months after the Democratic majority wins in Nov. 2006 put that war-lust, at least temporarilty, on hold…
http://www.aipac.org/pc2007video/Speeches/Cheney/index.html
Michael Lind further explains the alliance of former enemies, the mostly Northern “Neo-Cons” like Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith, Libby, Kristol, Kissinger, Podhoretz, Chertoff, Mukasey, Zakheim (et al) with radical Right-Wing (mostly Southern) “neoconfederates” (like Bush, Cheney, Tom DeLay, Dick Armeny, Enron Ken Lay, Trent Lott, Haley Barbour, Mitch McConnell, Bill Frist, Jesse Helms, Strom Thurmond, et al) in chapter 5 (“That Old Time Religion”) and chapter 6 (“Armegeddon” in his book, “Made in Texas: George W. Bush and the Southern Takeover of American Politics.”
The saying in Neo-Con circles, shortly after Bush’s “Mission Accomplished” victory dance in the giddy days after the U.S. army’s conquest of Baghdad, was “fighting men go to Baghdad… REAL MEN go all the way to Tehran.”
Here it is March 2010, and Rahm Emanuel is insidiously, and treacherously, trying to push that agenda forward another notch in Nov. 2010.
There’s no doubt that Woolsey should be out. This better have been obvious to others in the caucus. Hopefully someone there has been making some progress toward a change by now.
The democratic wing of the Democratic party having failed miserably, we now need a vocal and visible ‘Fuck You’ wing of the Democratic party.
This is the point. We can’t win in terms of the dollars so we change the terms of the conflict. We use populism against dollars.
Call me when the NRA and other righty groups ask their members to stay away from the polls.
For whom you vote for is certainly negotiable depending on a variety of factors. In extreme cases a write in for a lefty might make sense.
Not voting in local and state elections is a really bad idea.
Not voting in Democratic primaries makes even less sense.
Yes, and it makes the objective of attaining the critical mass necessary easier, as the dual ideologies become irrelevant to a movement relying simply on ‘mass’ against the object of our ire.
“The CBO, in an annual analysis of the White House budget proposal, said today that under Obama’s plan deficits would never shrink below 4 percent of the economy between now and 2020. The cumulative deficits would total $9.76 trillion, and debt held by the public would amount to 90 percent of the nation’s gross domestic product by 2020, the CBO said. In other words, the CBO has just confirmed that America has, at best, 10 years before it is officially bankrupt. That’s about 9 years of multi-trillion bonuses for Goldman Sachs. Congratulations fellas.”
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/primary-source-januarys-surprising-boost-consumer-credit-why-us-government-course
Agreed.
Let’s just focus on the range of options and on the rationale for the approach that is most likely to extract ourselves from corporate dictate of our economic system.
The object again is to immediately ameliorate the abuses and ultimately to fundamentally undo corporate priviledges.
You can not maintain that a massive outpouring of demonstrators is more practical or effective than collectively focused boycotts of a single representative corporation. The best argument for this is that corporations attain their ends and priviledged status not by engaging in massive demonstrations but rather by the focused use of their economic power on the government. As it happens they have pretty much attained control using that approach.
It is the rationale behind this strategy that we should emulate and use against the corporations themselves. Moreover this collective focused strategy is also applicable as relates to elections. Should a corporation financially advocate for a candidate or cause that is anti-popular and pernicious then you boycott it.
Underlying this approach is the principle that the public will is to be respected. But in order for that to happen it has to be exercised. We know from experience that in this country that is a foreign concept. So it falls on the left to make use of it. It’s not as if we have another better approach.
Thank You for this Post!
Progressives need to wake up!
Obama and Rahm are blatantly throwing Democrats under the BUS.
Rahm re-elisted in the Israeli Military during the Gulf War. Not the USA military.
The military has told the neo-cons, attacking Iran will make Iraq look like a girl volley ball game.
The NEO CONS hate the TEA PARTY, more or as much as they hate the LEFT, WHY? the real TEA PARTY hates USA EMPIRE, so the 2010 elections are going to be huge train wreck for the USA.
If a lot of TEA PARTY candidates win in 2010, they will destroy the NEO CON agenda. Remember RON PAUL won at CPAC, not the NEO CONS
i was away.
I used to believe in boycotts where animal cruelty, labor, pollution, etc. were the issues. Subscribe to Adbusters but don’t feel the effort has made a dent. But while corporate personhood is indeed a most pernicious and anti democratic construct and should be dealt with, our beef is with the Financial/Insurance industry (60 plus percent of economic activity) and I do not see how you can boycott either.
A march you can see and feel, and they can see you. Boycotts – how do you measure success where the Stock Market vacillates by 10, 20 points any day regardless of fundamentals. You boycott, and Jim Rogers buys stock in that Corp. and everyone laughs in your face.
Still, it does belong in the quiver.
Rahm’s plan is indeed for Dem’s to lose in Nov, setting up 2012 as the year you vote for Obama in order to control the far-right ideas of a GOP Congress.
Yes – it is transparent to Obama was elected to kill progressive ideas (which why we were sold a bit of nonsense that Hillary was far right DLC and not someone that a progressive should vote for – despite her record of being the only single payer voice back in 93 that “my” insurance lobbyists had to worry about.
Looks like we drop our justice system for trying terrorists – because under Obama we find our field of combat law under the Military is too Bush like/Cheney good for Obama to walk away from.
I didn’t see your post on her facebook wall.. Do you think it was removed?
I just sent her a direct email on one of her many sites.
We’ve just been filing our nails and eating bonbons. It’s just so damn easy to recruit Democrats when they’re all resigning from Congress in droves because they know 2010 is going to be a massacre, so who really needs to work very hard?
Plus, nothing makes it easier than blabbing about what you’re doing publicly so the party machine can stomp down on whoever it is you’re trying to recruit before you’ve got your ducks in order. Potential candidates also really love it when you tell a million people what they’re planning to do rather than letting them make their own announcements. We’ll get right on that report.
Oh and Bill Halter? Never heard of him.
Agree both approaches are useful.
It does appear to me though that continuing to give our business willingly to the very people that then turn around an abuse you is masochistic and those willing to do that have no grounds to complain, demonstrating or otherwise. It is so obviously self-defeating. The remedy is just to stop.
I will grant you that we are captive in certain areas and those areas are where corporations take full advantage. But the principle of not willingly cooperating still applies. It is so obvious that should be the first step one should take collectively.
Bear in mind also that 60% of the GDP is comprised not just from health insurers take but also involves actual reimbursements to providers. As to private insurers their influence can also be fought by exerting popular will through state initiatives for single payer schemes that compete with profiteering insurers.
It is the active exercise of the popular will specifically directed against corporations that stands the best chance of suceeding against them. We have to engage in that fight. And keep in mind that it is enough that a determined group from the left take on that fight and not necessarily the entire population which seems to be in a trance.
I do think the time has come to act.
So now Robert Reich is joining the push to pass health care reform? What health care reform? And why is he capitulating.. Another Krugman in progress.
Agree both approaches are useful.
It does appear to me though that continuing to give our business willingly to the very people that then turn around an abuse you is masochistic and those willing to do that have no grounds to complain, demonstrating or otherwise. It is so obviously self-defeating. The remedy is just to stop.
I will grant you that we are captive in certain areas and those areas are where corporations take full advantage. But the principle of not willingly cooperating still applies. It is so obvious that should be the first step one should take collectively.
Bear in mind also that 60% of the GDP is comprised not just from health insurers take but also involves actual reimbursements to providers. As to private insurers their influence can also be fought by exerting popular will through state initiatives for single payer schemes that compete with profiteering insurers.
It is the active exercise of the popular will specifically directed against corporations that stands the best chance of suceeding against them. We have to engage in that fight. And keep in mind that it is enough that a determined group from the left take on that fight and not necessarily the entire population which seems to be in a trance.
I do think the time has come to act. And to decide on a course of action.
I’ll tell you exactly why Krugman, Kuttner and now I guess Reich are backing ‘HCR’.
They don’t want to give Republicans the ‘satisfaction’.
They are Party guys first and citizens second.
Worthless fuckers!
I think I agree with that. Kuttner was in my class at Oberlin.. a rising star of sorts even then. Reich, on the other hand opposed mandates once upon a time and now embraces them,
Oh boy. IF we just get MORE progessives elected, then we will get progressive change. But that doesn’t happen. I really think that spending a fricking dime on politicians is insanity at this point. (doing the same thing over and over expecting a different outcome)
OH YES, Bill Halter is a much shinier penny than Blanche I wish I was a Republican Lincoln, but watch them. The dude couldn’t even say public option on the Ed Show. Worded it in code. It’s too “risky”. You don’t think someone like that can’t be bought or charmed if fricking Lynn Woolsey falls under Magic Obama’s spell in one meeting. Please, I don’t know what the answer is, but it is not pretending that getting these people elected does anything for us. Funny, that as Jane says they are smart enough to want to resign,not run, and get out of Dodge. Maybe we should take a clue too.
And then the other fellow, Grijalva. Ah yes, Obama will work on the public option if you just vote for this bill. He promises. HA! How stupid do you have to be? COME ON. The next words are you must vote for it or it will hurt his presidency. Another pathetic heart churning moment from the ED show.
THAT’s what this is always about. Obama’s precious career. Let millions die. But Mr Obama’s career (history books!) must be saved. Wake up. These people are worthless shams. Get in the streets. Form a new party. STOP giving money to them. Work against all of them. It’s really the only thing that makes sense anymore.
I got the same type of response from the Democratic club chairperson out here in CA.. She keeps harping that everyone, mainly Rethugs want Obama to fail, so health care HAS to be passed no matter what sh–t is placed on a silver platter.
Dennis Kucinich?
Woolsey always did seem shifty to me, but that roly poly Raul Grijalva is a real fighter IMO, he’s shown that.
Let’s everybody take a deep breath. We’re not a bunch of grass eaters who get their knickers in a bunch over a little sellout shmuck like Woolsey, are we? We are not doomed, we have been winning in case you hadn’t noticed, this whole thing would have been a done deal without us and people like us. And we never would have known who was real and who was a lying little sponge like Woolsey.
So, shit happens. Keep rollin Jane.
: )
Public Option was in the election manifesto and I heard so many times before and after election as the thing to be implemented by the leadership. Once the deals with Pharma & AHIP are made the real good stuff which is public option is dropped with individual mandates remaining. This corporate welfare practised on both sides of the aisle is now called Centrist Position. I never expected a Democratic Congress & Executive branch to put forward this sort of Unamerican individual mandates as part of bill. I am sure Republicans will use this to marginalize Democratic party for a long time to come.
Having 60 or more progressives in congress in the name is useless. I can see how effective one single congressman Mr. Stupak is in shaping a bill if one sticks to his convictions.
We need to get just 5 congressmen and 1 senator who doesnot take any corporate donations for getting elected and the quality of the bills will change for good. My request to those living in TRUE and DEEP BLUE districts to consider working to elect candidates from GREEN party which does NOT take any Corporate donations as part of its party charter. You will exactly know how they will vote when they are in the Congress and things will change for better.
As per present Democratic party I think they will reap what they sow which is pretty bleak future for themselves by not thinking about public welfare by avoiding Public Option and having that guilt with them for rest of their lives.
Cripes, just watched the video, didn’t realize the woman was so gratingly mealymouthed. You can tell she’s lying her ass off. What is her district like? Who votes for her?
You’re fired Lynn, pack your things.
Besides the larger newspapers, there are many very small city papers in Marin to write to as well. The more we can get the word out and localize it, the better. Besides the IJ and the Sonoma Press Democrat, I would also contact the Pacific Sun (they carried a story this week about the Tea Partiers who are coming to the county tomorrow) and all of the small city papers like the Mill Valley Herald, Ross Valley Reporter, the ones in West Marin which will be very progressive-friendly, etc.
Wow. Absolutely, Phoenix Woman. But, at this point, I am truly deeply flumoxed. As to what to do. In the past, I’ve been a Democratic Party foot soldier. And proud of it. I’ve worked for and contributed to people I thought would make a positive difference. Now I think this whole routine is a cynical game and that I’ve been had, just about all of my political life. And I don’t know where to go from here.
Great post, Jane! I appreciate all you’re doing keeping politicians loyal to our priorities. Fabulous work!
Classic, absolutely classic!
Jane,
In a rational world where the Democratic Party stands for the rights of the people against the corporations, I think primary challenges to conservative Democrats is unassailable. But in the current situation in which the Democratic leadership is captured by corporations and the progressives are ineffective (and probably also captured by the same interests if the whole truth were to be known), I would say our best efforts should be directed toward pressuring the progressives and primarying them when possible. We need to actually get some people we can count on to demand a place at the table. The current crop of progressives are doing nothing but sending any chance for liberal policies down the river. I think your concentration on Woolsey is good, but we need to start expanding our view by looking at the behavior of all of the congressional progressives. They have failed us.