The meeting will be divided into four segments:
Controlling costs – introduced by the President
Insurance reforms – introduced by Secretary Sebelius
Reducing the deficit – introduced by the Vice President
Expanding coverage – introduced by the President
9:53 – Most of the attendees are standing around waiting for the meeting to officially start in a few minutes.
10:04 – President Obama arrives and goes around the room shaking hands and slapping shoulders. Seems most people get the double shoulder slap handshake combo.
10:07 – Obama’s opening remarks. Interesting, starts by talking about jobs. Evenat the bipartisan health care summit it is jobs first and foremost.
He talks about the letters he receives from people who have trouble with their health care. Focusing on the problems with the status quo and how things are only getting worse. Claiming premiums will double over the next decade.
Obama make the point to say he has looked at all the Republican ideas and noticed that there is overlap. Stress how his plan works with the existing private health care system (Am I not wrong or have Democrats spent all year talking about how broken/evil the current private health care system is?)
Obama says he wants to bridge the gaps but acknowledges the differences are to great and differences can’t be bridged. I think this is the most direct statement in support of reconciliation from Obama all year.
10:21 – Lamar Alexander delivers the opening statement for Republicans. Says the American people oppose the Senate bill. Asks Obama to start over and go step by step to bring down cost. (Expect this to be the Republican theme. Amazingly Alexander was able to say Republicans want Obama to succeed without breaking out laughing.)
Alexander focus on the billions in new taxes, the mandates on businesses and individuals, the “unfunded” state mandate for Medicaid, and the deals that don’t treat people evenly across the country. Points out Republicans simply don’t believe you can do comprehensive bills. It must be step by step.
10:30 – Alexander request that Democrats renounce the idea of using “reconciliation.” He claims it has never been used for anything like this. Reminds Obama that opposed the “nuclear option” for judges in 2005.
10:36 – Nancy Pelosi – Starts by pointing out the overwhelming bipartisan vote for lifting the anti-trust exemption for health insurance companies. Points out that American don’t have time for us to start over with health care (funny given that the Senate bill does not really help almost anyone until 2014). Pelosi says that this health care bill is about jobs.
10:44 – Harry Reid starts by telling a story about a small businessman from Nevada. A story about a man who’s baby was born with a cleft palate and his insurance denied coverage because it was a “pre-existing condition.” Reid points out the problem for senators in donut hole.
Reid, “reconciliation has been used 21 times.” Also points out the over hundred Republican amendments in the health care bill.
10:53 – Obama points out that many of the “steps” Republicans want are already in the bill. Says this meeting is to talk about substance and not process. Repeatedly stress that there might be “too big of a gulf” and that bipartisanship might not be possible.
Obama and Alexander get into a tough exchange over the CBO report on the increase of cost of insurance premiums in the individual market. Obama decided to tell a bald face lie claiming that they have tried to adopt every idea from health care economists to reduce cost. (It is called public option, Medicare buy-in, drug re-importation, Medicare drug price negotiation, quicker pathway for biosimilars, etc…)
11:02 – Alexander says he believe Obama is wrong but they should move on. Obama says he is pretty certain he is not wrong.
11:04 – Republican Tom Coburn says we are involved in “bad medicine.” Claims one in every three dollars spent on health care is wasted. Coburn claims the government is the problem because the government hands over 50% of health care cost. (Does not state Medicare is roughly 25%-30% cheaper at covering people than private insurance. Of course that is the whole argument for the public option.)
Coburn says we need to go after the waste, fraud, and abuse in Medicare ( This is after Republicans spent weeks on the Senate floor attack the provision in the bill that eliminate waste, fraud, abuse in Medicare as “cuts to Medicare.”)
11:13 – Steny Hoyer – Says Americans are hoping that we are talking about them and not about us. (a good message) Hoyer goes personal talking about individuals in his district hurt by the current health care system. Says the exchanges which are open transparent markets should bring down cost. (Data from Federal employee health program’s exchange says otherwise) Hoyer says many in his caucus thought that the public option was a good idea to increase competition.
11:22 – Obama calls out the Republicans on the issue of the exchanges. He ask them to explain why they object to the idea.
11:24 – John Kline says Republicans have supported for years the idea of small business banding together in health associations.
11:26 – Max Baucus says that the gaps that need to bridge are not that great (Baucus’s bill is extreme industry friendly and very conservative reform. It is basically a Republican bill if Republicans had any interest in actually creating a bill.) Baucus goes point by point to show how almost all of the “Republican ideas” are already in the bill in some form or another. Claims that the exchanges are a Republican idea.
11:32 – Republican Dave Camp wants surprise!!! “tort reform.” He does not like the restrictions on HSA and FSA’s. He is also unable with the new super MedPAC board. (I do agree it is an overstep of the rights of the legislature. They need to start writing good bills instead of asking commissions to do their jobs for them.)
11:37 – Democrat Rob Andrews says there is some agreement between Republican and Democrats. He says the difference between associations and exchanges is mostly semantics. Says the one problem is that associations remove consumer protections and that we need a new federal minimum.
11:41 – Paul Ryan is saying Republicans don’t want people to sit in Washington righting insurance rules. Claims by mandating minimum coverage you increase cost. (Interesting countries with private insurance systems with very standardized defined coverage packages have much lower cost.)
11:45 – Obama tells a personal story about how the car insurance he bought when he was young turned out not to really be insurance at all. This is not a government take over of health care. There is just a baseline minimum requirements. (too bad the bill Obama pushes relies on states to enforce the minimum requirements and they have tended to fail miserably at that job so far.)
11:49 – Democrat Chuck Schumer rips on the Republicans for attacking Democratic attempts to end waste, fraud, and abuse in Medicare.
11:51 – Republican John Kyl says the difference are too great. “We do not agree.” Kyl is furious that the government would mandate insurance companies cover some health conditions when people get sick.
11:57 – Obama makes the point that average premiums would increase because people would buy better insurance. Notices that no Republican has pushed to remove the minimum benefit in the exchange where members of Congress get insurance.
Does a great job of explain the Republican version of selling insurance across state lines is a race to the bottom. Points out Democrats fully support it as long as there is some national minimum base line set by Congress.
12:02 – Democrat James Clyburn points out that in some places 31% of people who show up in emergency rooms are there not for emergencies but for primary care. This includes both the uninsured but a lot of under insured.
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It’s hilarious to watch tools like Eric Cantor try to appear “smart” as if he’s really studying those papers. Cantor and 98% of the other Repubs in that room are complete robots.
Rustle up a big ol’ bowl of popcorn. You’re gonna need it…
Ok Obama, its time to lead! Show everybody what your made of!! Hopefully it wont be disappointing . . .
His obvious toolness aside, is Cantor sorta skin-crawling creepy, or is it just me?
He be creepy-crawly.
smarmy too
Any meaningful transformative legislation is “partisan” by nature. To think otherwise is either naive or a smokescreen.
The Prez doing the “i know you guys are deep-down sympathetic to the plight of the citizen. But politics intervened.”
Prez has notebook of comments and ideas and proposed legislation and reading from it reminding them of their better selves.
Got my popcorn…
It’s on the TV, so it’s fiction.
This has got dog and pony show written all over it.
Thanks for the play by play.
It is practice and both teams know each others playbook. The Repugs are the spoilers. The Dems are helping them with their game plan.The lobyist are assistant coahes. Mostly America is not watching but the world has to be amused. Potential immigrants in the stands are considering other countries as we are so so had by the big corporate money. Is a natioanl strike called for?
A well tanned one!
Hey where’s Stupak?
Fox News is covering this live, as is MSNBC. None of networks are.
We can haz dogs and ponies?
He’s not going to talk?
People who like sausage and respect the law should never watch either being made – (Twain, I think)
Boxturtle (Throw in a single knife and lock the door. The ones that come out write the bill)
Lamar!!!
In each of 4 sections mentioned above, Prez will start with ideas common to both sides, hopes no one will just play to cameras.
start over and reduce health care costs (for the insurance companies) – Lamar
(Throw in a single knife and lock the door. The ones that come out write the bill)
I like it.
As this unfolds, Obama’s numbers go up, but our fate goes down.
Hey Mods: It’s just a regular joke. Honest. And you have to admit, it’s kinda funny. Go Box Turtle.
this is just like the Detroit Auto Show! – Lamar
Obama time to debate the GOP your on camera challenge them all on camera now, do it. I’m feeling like watching a beating today:)
Lamar Alexander – opening remarks for R – We want you to succeed cause US succeeds, but we want you to change direction.
Otto von Bismark I think.
Even Ben Nelson knows that when anyone says we should “start over” they really mean “do nothing.”
http://www.siouxcityjournal.com/news/state-and-regional/nebraska/article_83a2a7f2-1ef4-11df-afa6-001cc4c002e0.html
We want you to succeed cause US succeeds, but we want you to change direction.
Translation: My way or the highway. And don’t forget to hook up my buddies in the insurance industry…
Notice that he makes the point that the public does not like the Senate plan? That is true, more people like what is in the House bill (minus the Stupak language)
Obama don’t need a blade he needs a mike and a camera.
That’s one of the most sensible suggestions I’ve read around here in months.
Of course Jane is going to come up with something good pretty soon, but until then, this one’s pretty good.
Who says there’s no way out of this mess?
Already i can’t stand the R talking points. I may have to step out for a while.
So, far, Lamar repeating Luntz talking points and mispresenting the bills. No proposals — just start over. So if this is the pattern, the “bipartisan” pony just got shot.
Here it comes, don’t do things comprehensively. Sheesh! Don’t they get that it is interlocking? No of course they don’t, they are politicians of the very little brain.
…and a teleprompter. hahahahahaha i crack myself up. that was the funniest joke evar!1!
And Alexander just admits Republicans have no interest in actually reforming health care. “We don’t do comprehensive.”
Do you think they would really preempt the price is right or the View, just to hear our government at work trying to help out the entire country?
Incrementalism will be the death of the U.S.
Great strategy. Put out a really shitty bill and then invite folks in to tell you how shitty it is in front of the American people.
Obama’s magic healing powers will put bipartisanship on the table. That is more important to him than any meaningful reform of a broken system.
I’m sure the GOP wished he was on a teleprompter during that last debate
How HE looks is what is important to him.
AND DON’T USE RECONCILIATION – Lamar
Now Lamar is lying about using the reconciliation. Have they no decency?
Now Lamar is going to compare reconciliation and the nuclear option. What a tool
Lamar: Start over and promise not to go through reconciliation.
What an ass
See this would be a good time for Obama to say you lie you know your lying and call the GOP out. Or do you think he should let them get more rope?
If the mods are upset, I have the following opinion from John Yoo:
If the president is going to make decisions on guns vs butter, he will need something to spread the butter with. To NOT provide a knife would be to interfere with the perogatives of the executive branch. Also, no violence or indeed any activies at all were suggested as occuring within the locked room. And it is only logical to assume that with all the major players in the room, those that come out would write the bill.
Naturallty, any advice given to the president as to what actions he could taken within that locked room would be covered by executive privlege.
Boxturtle (And I ain’t going to testify about nothing on the record, under oath, or at a public session)
This is nothing more than a collective soap box or a circle jerk.
Rachel reminded us of where the acronym COBRA came from:
Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act
Bingo! Mr. Bipartisan has an ego the size of Mt. Rushmore.
Would that make the video feed and liveblogging porn?
Lamar: how to make this bipartisan:
1. Dems renounce reconciliation, cause, it’s never been used for this “freight train” End the “tyranny of the majority.” The Founders intended the Senate to be a place where majority does not rule. [Got that from Scalia, I suspect]
2. Start over.
Bottom line: SURRENDER DOROTHY!
Obama watching this is probably thinking, “this guy is the most “reasonable” guy they have, and he’s being a complete . . . uh, not nice person.”
We’re all shocked, shocked.
What a crock !
Sen. Lamar, is making a great case that the Senate can work together, too bad all his examples are in history, and do not take into account the avowed policy of the Republicans to obstruct.
More Republican mendacity.
At least the Administration is ready for their cave-in to the Banksters, as they plot to steal everything they can from us. The compromise will allow tens of millions of people to be denied health care. Thank you Rahm and Mr. President for such leadership. Also, publicly revealing your fall-back position is very helpful to the process.
Someone tell McCain to stop checking out Lamar Alexander’s junk.
This might be the dumbest thing I’ve seen in awhile. Really after a year that saw “death panels” “killing granny” and a whole host of spurious claims made by the party of “no” and they sit at a table and listen to their bogus “ideas.”
Oh for fuck sake grow a spine dems and just ram a real and effective comprehensive reform rather than looking for cover from the Republicans for your current epic kickback to big insurance.
Btw im really hating this idea of competition across state lines, I would be fine with it if any product you sold had to meet the standard of the state you are selling into rather than your home state, but I seriously doubt that will happen. Welcome to insurance policies governed by the weakest states in the union.
the voters want health reform , just not the lousy bill that came outa the Senate!
Start over. No reconciliation,
Follow that.
Best,
Lamar
Lamar was talking softly and…
Damn it Gregg! Now I have coffee all over the screen!
Nancy Pelosi — the closest thing to a grownup in the room. “290 bills I sent to you Lamar, and you just sat there, and you want everyone to start over?”
This dog and pony show will accomplish nothing unless Obama moves further to the right, which I don’t put past Mr. Bipartisan.
I cant wait for Obama to call out Lamar!
yes!
Good on Pelosi. Too many people don’t have time to start over, and I appreciate the way in which she is explaining it. She gets it.
Her line, “We have an anvil around our businesses (because of health care costs” ought to be the new progressive-Dem-and anyone else main theme. It is soooooo true.
Reminds me of when Jerry Lee opened for Chuck.
At the end of the set, he set his piano on fire.
Follow that, Chuck.
(FWIW, that’s not exactly what he said, really.)
that will end if it looks like the dems are doing better then the repukes
Sen Lamar’s analogy needs to be recalled for being excessively stupid. Why do these yolkels have to cornpone this shit? Healthcare debate is like, umm, the healthcare debate, not a car you dumbass. But i guess when you cant talk about the issue you have to invent a device to not talk about the issues.
Didn’t the Supreme Court say that it’s hard to define porn but one Justice said “I know it when I see it.”
I think you’ll have a very long wait.
Well, yeah. All the real work is done by the sherpa’s, behind the scenes. The best would could hope for from this is a set of agreed upon principles that the sherpas can work with.
But that’s unlikely, the GOP won’t have the guts to list their key demand: The profits and dividends of the insurance companies and Pharma must be protected and even enhanced.
Boxturtle (Pharma didn’t even bother to send lobbyists to this. Shows how important THEY think it is)
“We don’t do comprehensive…”
Well how about those Bush Tax Cuts done through reconciliation in 2001,2003, and 2005. Oh, I forgot, that was a Republican plan.
Give us a break Lamar and admit being the shill that you are for the insurance companies.
Yeah, this is silly. Been watching for less than 5 minutes and I’ve seen enough dogs and ponies.
some democrat needs to say;
“of course we are going to use the same tool republicans used, that’s why the tool is there, if you didn’t want it to be used you could have removed it when you had a majority and feel free to remove it if you get the majority again, we are certain when given the oportunity you will use it as effectively as you have in the past”
Great point from the Speaker, this is more than health care, it is a step to fixing the economy
O.M.G. Pelosi bringing up the problem of medicare fraud…. hooray!!!!!!!!
Well. Lamar, how ’bout I throw in no capital gains tax?”
The Republicans don’t care about the economy for working and middle class Americans.
Maybe a touch of deregulation of some industry and a little more coathanger for some flare
Right on!, Ms. Speaker.
Notice Republicans are only focusing on ‘costs’ – barely a word about ‘coverage.’
Well, Fox has covered so far, so they got all of Nancy and now on to Harry Reid.
That’s why it has to be cut.
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Harry calls Lamar a liar.
Oh, god, no. . . I heard Boxer tell this story last night.
No more stories, I beg you all!
FDR now has to be considered a failed President for not having the wisdom and foresight of convening a bipartisan summit to tackle the Great Depression.
Well, duh. Still it is not the Republicans who are the target audience for this this thing. It is the moderate Dems who are the target.
harry citing Kaiser Foundation poll showing large majority would be angry if Congress fails to do health care reform.
What is completely farcical, and nauseatingly stupid, is that a “smart politician” like Obama thinks he can steamroll liberal voters and woo the luke-warm tea baggers (AKA centrist middle Americans or, concisely, Idiot America).
Obama has already correctly pointed out that he could well be a one termer. That’s astute.
Please, Jesus had no baby.
The constitution enshrines majority rule. It protects it vigorously.
The constitution reserves a two thirds vote for a very FEW things:
and it is explicit about them:
conviction of impeachment — and that is two thirds of those senators present, not those elected.
treaty verification in the Senate
veto override – 2/3s in both houses
amending the constitution – 2/3s in both houses
25th amendment for incapacity of president.
That’s it. NOT LEGISLATION, unless it is to override a veto. There is NO minority veto given to the Senate.
Listen to Harry roar!!
Did the Majority Leader rent a spine for today? It looks good on him, he should wear it all the time!
Reid: No one is talking about Reconciliation…
Oh, for fuck’s sake!
You’re entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.
Another Right On!
Who wants more popcorn?
Now, this is butter we can believe in.
FDR certainly needed more dogs and ponies. Where is the Kingfish when you need him? Someone to drag Obama to the left for fear of being creamed in a primary. Though maybe without all that good old boy corruption;)
Who is going to pay the cost of closing the donut hole?
Reid fact checking Alexander in real time. Nice.
That’s what is SO stupid.
Have folks come in and trash the Obamacare in front of the American people.
That’ll stiffen their spine.
Shorter Reid: “Lamar, I’m not raising my voice, but I’m exposing your fraudulent nonsense and laying out it piece by piece.”
And health care costs are an anchor weighing down American businesses and entrepreneurs. Also.
Ooooh, Reid said Jerked around.
But politely, and without raising his voice ;-))
Well he can steamroll the democratic pols into this farce, but yeah the voters will exact a terrible vengeance for this malfeasance. I fully expect to lose the House and come close in the Senate in 2010, but of course the message will be the MSM equivalent of “more cowbell” with “clearly the Democrats need to move further to the center…” Then queue another lost decade of Republican Lite dumbfuckery.
You are kind of missing the point. Republicans are winning on the disinformation front, mainly because it looks like they are protecting people (it is not true, but that is the way they have spun it) by exposing the facts of the plan, (that most folks like when they hear it )and showing the Republicans are mean, stupid and partisan, it denies cover to the weak moderate Dems. They get a choice, stand with the mean Republicans or the people.
That is a good political move.
it is in the bill; the fraction of seniors on medicare advantage give up something so all seniors can win.
I dont know any senior who wouldnt trade free glasses or a gym membership for the 3k saved by closing the donut hole.
The seniors on Medicare Advantage get the donut hole close, too.
Good point, but I think that is outweighed by the criticisms of aspects of the bill — to come — that the American people clearly hate.
I think it’s a good thing that Reid and Pelosi gave the pundits some good sound bites to be repeated over and over for the public to hear and realize that the Repubs got nothing so they lie.
We’ll see. MSNBC just flashed up that 54% of the people don’t think Republicans will be sincere in their efforts. That makes this play a little more likely.
So far, the argument the Ds are making here is that we need SOME bill.
The Rs are agreeing — but saying that this is not it. Let’s work together to get the right one.
Very difficult for Ds to win that argument.
I was a bit surprise by his opening statement as well. Now if only he would lead like he did today instead of being jerked around.
the problem is goopers have no cost containment that ADDS coverage for the uninsured or deals with the “lockdown” of people in jobs who stay just for insurance.
They play not at all to those who NEED insurance whether middle class or well off who want to get out of employment and start their own.
Did Lamar just interrupt the President? Ohh, the president just called him a liar “That is not factually accurate”
Here is more on our corporate approved health care reform which is bi-partisan, approved by Goldman Sachs and Republicans. After, Obama folds like an accordion, we will pay more taxes for less health care, and worse treatments. Obama’s plan or Obama’s and R’s plan, are both worse than nothing.
you gotta call me Mr. President. But you Lamar, to me.
Yes, let’s keep up the “health care costs are an anchor weighing down American businesses and entrepreneurs” theme.
Interesting to see Lamar Alexander actually does not actually accurately understand the **facts** of the issue. Not surprising, but definitely interesting.
Wow, the President just set up a fact check that Lamar and Repugs are going to flatly lose on. That is a great sound bite
Yeah, but I know some libertarians who work for, and operate, and own smaller businesses. So they’re stuck in small risk pools getting hosed by health care corporations. So I don’t think it is ‘just moderate Dems’ who need accurate information.
Arguments over facts do NOT help Obama in this setting.
True, but the people who matter right now are the Reps and Senators who will vote in the next couple of weeks.
Sorry they do. When it becomes clearer that the Republicans are not arguing from facts they lose credibility.
The Republicans are askeered of reconciliation
McTurtle!
Great pushback. The President doesn’t throw liberals under the bus in these events. It’s when he goes on Meet the Press that I worry.
The cost containment issue is a loser for Obama.
It is truly embarrassing watching these little puppets justify selling the country out. They are all being paid to say what they are saying by the drug and health companies. We have been sold out. It would be nice if someone in the room had a virulent infection to spread. If enough of the people profiting from health insurance die, perhaps the concept will too.
This is our country. Our leaders are our enemies and working to kill us. What else can you take away from a television show? Might as well watch the flintstones.
Like Wendell Potter said, the National Exchanges will not help control cost.
The Big Insurance Companies will price fix, and laugh at the american people.
For Profit Insurance Companies are loyal to their stock holders.
Obama and the rest of these clowns are trying to act like Insurance Companies have something in common with Mother Teresa.
Where is WENDELL POTTER? or people like him? who is on the american people side? we know it is not the White House or Senate Dems.
I believe they do. Sound bites are heard by the public.
The “facts” depend upon assumptions and interpretation and are not resolvable.
Made me spew.
Want to prevent asthma. Strict and enforced environmental regulations.
Nope.
McCoal.
Cut fraud, tort reform and buying insurance across state lines. The Republican magic bullet.
Reconciliation — well Reid is now. But the President is here now because of ludicrously patheticly incompetent framing of the whole thing in the first place.
He should have said: “US Congress, this is the greatest, mot advanced country in the world. Why do we have the 37th worst health care system in the world? Why are we the laughing stock of the whole of the developed world for our health care? Ladies and gentlemen, it costs the United States people $7,000 per person per year for this 37th worst health care. The best health care systems cost $3,500 per head per year in France, and $3,000 per head per year in Holland and Germany. Even Britain’s health care, at $2,000 per head per year. Those countries charge everyone the same amount, and they do not say, “O, you are sick already; we are going to charge you more!”
“We are the greatest country in the world, so Congress, the American people want you to deliver to them the nest health care in the world for about the same money per person per year as the other developed countries pay. Are all those countries cleverer than us? Ladies and gentlemen, we need more for less, not endlessly less health care for endlessly more money.”
“O, and by the way, Congress, that’s the same or better health care as you have carefully given yourselves.”
Had he said that it would have been Congress to deliver, without all the dumb back-and-forth we are getting, utterly without focus.
I hope Sen Lamar Alexander’s staff read this site. Congratulations, Team, on your senator’s faultless delivery of the script written for him by the health care industry.
When Obama displays the quotes from the Congressional Budget Office than the issue is not just facts, it is who quoted the CBR correctly. CBR is non-partisian statistical information.
If this becomes an argument over “facts” — which are not resolvable — moving forward with this bill becomes very difficult. If the argument is about “facts,” we lose — even if we’re right.
It’s all about fraud apparently.
Get rid of fraud and waste in government?
Ain’t gonna happen
Dr. Do Nothing Coburn talks about cost containment but yet he has no proposal.
Is there anyone more FOS than Tom Coburn?
One physicians to another.
Stop giving turtles bad names! He ain’t no turtle.
Boxturtle (McAsshat, maybe)
Coburn is right on the school lunch issue. They serve crap.
I don’t mind any of those, so long as “tort reform” doesn’t take the fear of repurcussions out of a law suit
I believe there is nothing wrong with some kind of personal limit, for instance the punitive damages could be split, some to the person aggrieved and some toward a general pool to address others who were affected but did not get a favorable ruling
Wait now he’s talking about incentives for good nutrition in the – horrors – PUBLIC schools?
Think he’s sincere?
What is sickening is watching that clown behind Coburn cowing his gum. That is absolutely unacceptable. Is he with CSPAN? Is he a Coburn aid?
Medical malpractice is extortion? Senator you are a tool and too self invovled
there is fraud, I know this, I’ve seen it, I have no problem finding some kind of solution to the fraud issues that definately exist
Sorry, no disrespect to real turtles. They’re supposed to look like turtles!
Don’t make the mistake of equating tort reform with caps on pain and suffering awards. This is what most people do. And it is true that placing caps reduces the number of law suits and I believe, does reduce accountablility and degrades patient safety.
OTOH, liability refomrs OTHER THAN CAPS, can do quite a bit to improve accountablility, improve patient safety and improve satisfaction of patients and providers by leading to better, more open communication.
Even the AMA has a list of good options for liability reform beyond caps:
http://cmhmd.blogspot.com/2009/09/tort-reform-does-not-necessarily-equal.html
But there is another insidious trend of subverting the proper practice of medicine: ignoring science:
http://cmhmd.blogspot.com/2009/11/how-to-reform-broken-medical.html
Now I can’t look away. Thanks for pointing that out.
The bulk of the fraud lies in the insurance industry.
tort reform is in the bill in state laboratories…to test ways to fix it.
and if Doc Coburn is their leader, then the GOOPERS are showing they have NOTHING.
I have always wondered why the medical industry doesn’t self insure, surely that would lower rates and they would police themselves to keep their rates down
This is a real love fest.
The Pugs have a real hangup on tort reform even though it makes a drop in the bucket to health care costs. Howard Dean once explained that the reason tort reform isn’t in the current bill is because then a bill would have also had to have come out of the Judiciary committees. One more layer of complexity without a lot of impact.
I agree. My mom has had many unnecessary tests. Some are actually harmful.
how did an ass ever get a hat in the first place?
I wonder where this expression originated, it seems bizarre
ya think the goopers are going to agree to tax soda pop?
Gum chewing behind pols should be handled by staffers. I’ve been noticing a lot of that lately.
Good question. I have no idea.
These corrupt pols should be made to buy private insurance. This “summit” is a waste. None of these “ideas” make sense. The only practical solution for cutting costs and providing universal access is single payer/Medicare for All.
Sorry. It was all I could see. Too bad someone can’t slip him a note.
Yep, and made my dad’s last few years a lot more miserable.
Steny got it.
It’s not about D.C.
Perhaps. But I think those libertarians might actually figure out how to pick up a phone and find their Senators’ number if they thought it was actually possible to make a difference.
Big institutions do self insure, such as university hospital systems.
So, for a physician who is employed by a large system, this is not a big deal. If you are outside the system, it can be a problem, especially for high risk specialties.
Fracking MSNBC just cut away form Rep. Hoyer! Who the frack cares what Shuster and Co thinks?
We can have guns and butter. Excellent!
One whose head is so far up their rear end it could pass for a hat; used to describe a person who is stubborn, cruel,…
I invented the idea but I would like to believe they thought of the idea and considered it themselves, dismissing it for some reason or other
WHAT’S UP DAWG?
(I miss the dawg and the things he used to say)
whitehouse.gov
No. Soda pop tax is a no brainer. Repubs never agree to anything that makes sense. Bought and paid for.
Interesting that Coburn would focus on medicare/medicaid fraud. He should know. Article from Tulsa World newspaper in 2004 about a case where he sterilized a woman without her written permission and there were allegations of Medicaid fraud by Coburn.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?no=subj&articleid=040915_Br_bnCOB&archive=yes
the ama is a pretty big institution me thinks
if other institutions have done it succesfully the ama needs to consider this as a viable business oportunity
Sorta like this?
http://www.c-span.org/Topics/Health-Care-Insurance-Reform-Legislation-Town-Hall.aspx
Is single payer on the table?
Watching on Fox, bleh, now…
Yeah, it is a hell of a switch to stop writing in the third dog, but if you are going to try to do this for a living, you can’t keep th literary conciets
Ack!! But that kinda makes it hard to eat the pop corn.
C-Span 3 will get ya there…
Not for Repuglicans…
they should throw it on the table, that will insure there are some real republcian proposals and it will get to a public option as a compromise instead of a primary proposal
win win if they had any kind of negotiating experience at all
Can you belive MSMBC cut away where there dam talking heads can talk, I don’t give a damn about their opion…..
I’m anxious to hear The Great Tanned One.
perris LOVES talking in the third canine, he does it all the time
None of these people have heard of Return On Investment.
The Modern World learned a long time ago that a for profit health insurance system is not humane.
The USA health care system is ranked 37 for a reason, we don’t have a medical health care system, we are determine to live in stone age, we want to let people make money off the sick.
What a Country.
Is she black?
Is that some sort of small, furry, anesthetized animal on the top of Coburn’s head?
After each Repug speaks, Obama points out the issues on which both sides are in agreement.
A study in brilliance, that tan guy.
Let me get my sunglasses.
He borrowed it from Jim Traficant!
Democrats have “negotiated” away real health care access & insurance reform between themselves with not a single republican vote gained in either the house or senate. This has the look of a CSPAN kabuki telenovella kick off for the 2010 midterms.
Obama & the DNC act like the health of the nation is an expendable political coin that they can spin with one hand and bargain away with the other.
As for Wendell Potter, he’s been sent to spend more time with his family — his nephew Harry Potter at Hogwarts. Can’t allow a real People’s advocate in that room, can they?
Is Stupak in the room, or is he playing “Reach-around for Jeebuz” over at C Street?
Coburn, Alexander, and Coburn are all about “later.” I thought they were there to work on it NOW. What’s all this “later” crap?
Or for profit hospitals, pharmaceuticals and on and on.
It takes considerable skill to operate a spray can that effectively.
Natch.
Repugs are missing the point that not all insurance is the same.
MAX! We agree..
Max Baucass, a real authority on single payer.
Isn’t this portion of the meeting supposed to be about cost cutting? Why does no one talk about the elephant in the room, DOCTOR and HOSPITAL costs??? Why do you think insurance premiums are going up so much (other than the greedy, bloodsucking CEOs). Yes, part of it is greed, but the rest is legitimate. Will NO ONE go after the real, underlying cost issues?
No, I guess not.
But, um, isn’t that the way mediation works?
Depending on where you post, the word a**hol* will get you dumped into moderation. I always assumed asshat was a counter to that, to keep you from getting caught by a robomods.
Boxturtle (It seems a lot more commonly used at FDL than elsewhere, for whatever reason)
How long is the ” prepared statements” segment supposed to go on? Tell me we’re not going to have every committee chair speak? And although I haven’t been able to study the whole table, does it appear there are more Republicans at the table than Democrats?
Wow? Max Baucus finally tells the world that the current senate bill is a republican bill.
Why don’t the republicans like the republican bill that Max Baucus and the White House wrote for them.
The definition I shared is from the Urban Dictionary.
dems should just say:
It is IN THE BILL.
Turns out ever gooper idea is IN THE BILL–even tort reform, which is set up in state laboratories.
Single payer is like daylight (socialism) to a vampire (corporate criminal class and pol lackeys).
and doctors
C-Span 3? Gee, this is sudden. That’s what they call showing it live on C-Span?
I was watching it live on MSNBC. Suddenly without warning, the preening flap-yap egos broke in to explain to us what we should be thinking of what we were watching before they interrupted–the likes of Armstrong Williams, a pretty lady msnbc anchor, and others. So I clicked over to CNN. I’ll show ya! Nope, commercials are on. So all that left was one more channel. I clicked over to it, and voila, there is the summit, ongoing and uninterrupted. That’s right! Fox News. Credit where credit is due. MSNBC, C-Span 1, C-Span 2, and CNN all failed to cover this as well as they covered the Toyota-Whale story yesterday for 30 hours. Fox news didn’t fail. This tells of what’s to come information wise. We are to expect nothing, and be grateful for what we get no matter how totally it sucks, just like we’re expected to do about everything else.
Agreed. If they could specify a page number, all the better.
aka The Great Pumpkin…
Heh! Wonderful slip of the typing fingers. You mean “banding” but Repukes have been BANNING.
HA! Baucus: It’s like Expedia or Orbitz. We need Shatner – Priceline Negotiator!
I don’t love Sen. Baucus, but he is making a good point that the Republican objections are basically smoke.
Max, you can’t shop around when you unconscious on the way the to ER in an ambulance,
If you don’t have CSPAN 3, you can also view at cspan.org
way to complicated and ingrained in our system
“Dave Camp.” Not a place you want to send your kids for a summer vacation.
I assume you are referring to the Mad Max Plan, written by Liz Fowler and WellPoint a health insurance cartel. It is monstrously horrible.
Jeebus! More tort reform, tort reform, tort reform! What bull pucky!
Obama and the Senate Dems are disgusted that their great republican bill is not republican enough.
Rumor is David Axelrod, and David Plouffe will receive advertising contracts for Big Pharma, sorta like what Cheney done with Halliburton.
But, but, but…we’re all about giving the patients a choice.
8^}
Quelle suprise!!!
HSA’s! Oh sure you get $x right off your income, but what you have to buy is a high deductible plan. I have one. I can claim up to $3000 a year contribution, but I had to buy a policy with a $2500 deductible.
Camp does not seem to understand that it is an offset. If cost of insurance goes down, then you don’t need as much in the health insurance savings accounts.
Obama did not lie about trying to egt everythig to cut costs in the bill. Some Senators tried to get it in. It did not get the votes. Its OK to say he did not try hard enough for public option. It is wrong to say he is lying. The public option was put on the table in the original Obama proposal on the campsign The Senate took it out. The house passed it. I would consider one chamber passing it as trying.
Docors are the highest net wealth group in the US. Going after their revenue is going to piss them off and make them bribe the opposition to HCR.
No one pisses on their paymasters.
Don’t go confusin’ things with that fuzzy math, heh…
Texas has some of the strongest tort reform in the country, no controlling of costs: http://washingtonindependent.com/55535/tort-reform-unlikely-to-cut-health-care-costs
Yeah, and I’m leaving Fox News on today, maybe whenever I check news on tv from now on. It’s not like I have a loyalty to any competitor. They are ALL faux news, and should be equally recognized as such.
I don’t think the French have to worry about losing their 1st place ranking in providing health care to their citizens. If the U.S. can move up from 37th to 32nd it will be considered a great victory by the elites and the media.
try
http://www.c-span.org/Topics/Health-Care-Insurance-Reform-Legislation-Town-Hall.aspx
to quote ShotoJamf
Don’t go confusin’ things with that fuzzy math, heh…
It is starting to look like the Republicans are not really going to propose ideas. Everything they come up with is a retread of their spurious complaints.
Obama looking weak on the cost issue. Americans do not want to pay more taxes.
No you can’t. However, any fees you incurre while unconsious cannot be a binding contract, as you did not enter into a contract.
Further, any contract entered iinto while sick, and most certainly when dying, could be presumed to be entered into under duress, and could be voidable.
I doubt anyihng in the current HCR will improve the US’ standing.
Well, I will be staying with Fox, mostly. Someone should stick a sock in David Schuster’s mouth.
This a joke The dems. say they have no votes to pass this bill.
So, if we can never talk about what is acually causing the majority of the cost overruns, what’s the point of any of this?????
I’m moving to France. Au Revoir!
Wolfie Blitzkrieg just cut off a Democratic response to a question to get a GOP infomercial in. What assholes.
Mitch whining about time.
That’s all they got, I’m afraid.
“Oh boy! Retreads for the 18-Wheeler! Yee-haw!”
thanks for the info Frank
I just look up the name Max Baucus and beside it said “Man who sells his soul to Insurance Companies”
AMA is just an association, not an employer and has no power or control over physicians.
Call Mitch A Wah-mbulance! they got 52 minutes! Waaah! The spontaneous give and take is what I was hoping to see today.
Someone should stick a gym sock that’s been worn for about a year in David Schuster’s mouth.
Suggested edit.
Why not abolish Congress and just establish a Bipartisanship commission to handle all legislation?
HAHAHAHA!! “I’m the President you can’t count my time as “Democrat” time!”
I thought Congress was where legitimate debate occurred and issues resolved. I guess that’s old school.
This little exercise is telling. The elites have a certain “frame” they want everyone to accept. You know, only private enterprise is good, acceptable. You can’t have REAL difference of opinion. That’s why they exclude dissenting voices like the single payer advocates. US democracy is a sham. It only represents the money class.
I kinda like it when he takes them to the woodshed.
Do you suppose anyone will ask “The Boner” if he buys extra insurance to cover any cancer risk that might be caused by his spray tan? Or maybe his existing plan covers it?
Is Eric Cantor building himself a fort out of binders? Will that allow him to hide?
Obama is just full of himself.
Does anyone know if or when they are taking a lunch break? Gotta plan some errands around this. Thanks.
Aint that a fact!!!
A Simple solution for real, tangible results by next Monday
All three branches of the federal government, including elected officials, congressional & executive branch staff, appointed, managerial and professional employees & their families receive a notice that their federal system health insurance benefits are cancelled as of March 1, 2010.
They immediately have to go out into the Big Insurance profit maximizing market place to find coverage for their families. If they don’t, they are fined an amount determined by Anthem Blue Shield’s highest premium level for individual insureds in their state, or the District of Columbia.
Even in today’s Wall Street casino world, I’d say the odds are pretty good that a robust public option for everyone would replace the public option for those who earn their living as public servants protecting private corporate interests.
A House of Binders will not hold up when the wind of truth hits it.
They don’t need to eat. They can run on pure bullshit for years…
Every dollar that goes to a public option means one less dollar earmarked for Wall Street.
I was just thinking I only had a certain time allocated to this this morning. The agenda did say a buffet lunch will be served.
“Au revoir!”
See, that’s the problem. You can’t just move to France. Or Canada, or anywhere else. Seriously. Can you?
I never realized it was virtually impossible until I actually looked into trying to really do it. France is as remote from me as the planet Neptune. Canada’s closer, it’s only as remote as Mars.
But I thought the great Tanned One wanted to know what they were serving for lunch before he’d decide if he would attend. Member that?
I agree with you
but colder
Maybe Boehner feeds on spray tan.
Pack me in your suitcase! Je vous en prie!
This be, in the words of Chomsky, a *demonstration democracy.*
Good point. Probably means there’s gonna be plenty of hard liquor.
It’s not as hard as you might think. More and more Americans are abandoning this sinking ship for foreign shores.
No one does petty better than Boehner. Cantor’s a close second, then McConnell. I like it when Obama calls them out for it.
Sen. Kyl is in favor of letting companies whose goal is profit control the system instead of the government.
The key to good health and longevity…
Why does Obama talk about minimum standards – or striking a balance on premiums and deductibles? We’re talking about people’s health – not the size of the television they can afford. Shouldn’t our standards be better than minimal? Do we really think it’s right to tell people to buy the policy they can afford even if it doesn’t really cover them if they get really sick or their percentage to pay is 30% instead of 20%? Why do you get to have better care if you are making $100,000 a year than if you are making $35,000? This whole argument is such a bunch of bull. People don’t want choice except choice in doctors. They don’t need to choose between Aetna or Anthem or high premium/lower deductible or low premium/higher deductible. People just want health CARE. Why isn’t that the discussion – not how we can afford to give people the least amount we can without upsetting any politician or big business too much?
Snork. Like when Canter set himself up to be laughed at when he questioned that we don’t trust state governments. Har.
The blonde, forgot her name, ms. crankypants was not laughing.
On edit, Marsha?
60 dems and a huge majority in the house. The dems. problem is other dems. The repubs. know the American people do not support Obama care. The repubs. are in a no lose situation.
Because somewhere between Jan 20, 2009 and today this changed from Health Care Reform to Health Insurance Reform.
I agree with you.
Maybe…but it’s clearly linked to compromised mental faculties. Exhibit A.
75% of Americans do not trust govt.
Can you cite the polling?
You bring up a very good point.
While I think the insurance industry is very much
a part of the problem, it was easy to put the blame
on them as that’s who we pay premiums too.
We lost sight of where the real costs are.
I would still rather be treated in this country
than France.
cnn poll.
I have never met anyone in my entire life that trusted govt. Not in my life time. It is the most corrupt entity in the history of mankind.
Got a link? I just have not seen it.
“75% of Americans do not trust govt.”
Not exactly how those who get Medicare or VA Medical Care feel about their Government Programs. Only thing is most of them forget who sponsors these programs.
why? Have you been treated in France? Or is this more American Exceptionalism?
Democracy is the worst form of government, with the exception of every other form tried – Churchill.
Please Pres. Obama stop staying you want to do the same thing for us as you do for the members of government. You always leave off the most important part of that – your premiums are low because the majority of the premium price is being paid for by “your employer” which happens to be the government – which happens to be ME and the rest of the citizens of the US – many of which can’t afford their own premiums. So if a federal employee has a policy where his premium for him and his family is $300 – he thinks – great deal and everyone should have what I have. Except that the subsidy from his employer, the government, is probably another $600 or so. All paid for by the taxpayers. If the taxpayers didn’t chip in – he’d have to cough up that $900-1000 a month and he wouldn’t think it’s so cheap. There are facts that conveniently get left out – and the idea that taxpayers pay a part for every single federal employees health care and yet many cannot afford their own is never mentioned!
How was the poll conducted? Specifics and detail? A link, please.
Then you may never have had a friend take a fall down the lower steps of the Palais de Chaillot and been the beneficiary of the FINEST medical care in the world, bar none.
Wake me up when the pitbull with lipstick gets her close up, Mr. DeMille …
Which of the proposals advanced in this discussion, would you say, do the most good for the most Americans, Mrs. Palin?
All of them.
We are a republic. Not a democracy. There is a difference.
Exactly my point at #267
We are a representative democracy organized into to a Republic. If you want to be that specific. The point is it is a democratic form of government.
” have never met anyone in my entire life that trusted govt. Not in my life time. It is the most corrupt entity in the history of mankind.”
If you want to meet some trusting souls, I’ll tell you where to find them.
Go to a large VA Medical Center, and between seven and nine in the morning watch the American Legion and VFW vans pull into the parking lot from towns perhaps fifty to a hundred and fifty miles out, bringing in the patients to attend their clinics — you know cancer, heart, orthapedic, and the like, and just ask them what they think of the VA.
At my VA Center, every day at least 65 vans are in the parking lot, mostly with six or eight patients. Most of the vans make runs three times a week from the various VFW and AL posts around the state. Good Government Medical Care, and if you mess with it, you have hell to pay.
So how many reps from C Street are in the room?
Sen. Kyl- Don’t you realize that people are horrible at evaluating risk? They will always choose the cheaper insurance without understanding the risks. That is why there has to be a minimum standard in the U.S.
Sheesh!
So accepting your premise, then you won’t mind not driving on roads, calling a cop or fireman if you find yourself in that position, going to a public library, sending children to school, letting criminals out of Federal prison, etc. Should I go on?
Are you confusing high cost, funding and pre-existing
issues, with the quality of care provided in this country?
Christ! Start over, again. This is so stupid.
Is that Marsha Wingnut Blackburn sitting next to this guy? She’s right up there with Michele Bachmann for sheer tinfoil-hattedness…
Insurance Executives are in the business of increasing their bottom lines.
Insurance Companies are not run by Mother Teresa.
USA does not have a health care system, most Doctor call it a disaease management system.
Most americans meet their doctors for first time in the ER.
Obama and the Senate Dems are begging the republicans to like their republican bill.
they strategically chose to obstruct the whole idea of reform
now they want a do-over.
tough noogies, R’s
I am a vet. The care stinks and you know it.
The most recent poll that I heard on CSPAN this week showed that with the exception of mandatory purchase (~48% for 43% against) when individual items in the bill were evaluated by respondents they received anywhere from 70% – 88% favorable ratings. So the meme that the American people are opposed to “the” bill means that they are opposed to the Republican characterization of some imaginary combination of a House and Senate bill that doesn’t exist.
Most of those are provided by local govt. Not the federal.
When Lamar Alexander came out within the first one half hour and demanded that Obama “renounce reconciliation” you could hear the Republicans door stay closed.
“I am a vet. The care stinks and you know it.”
In my state, (Minnesota) it ranks right up there with Mayo Clinic in terms of Patient Satisfaction.
High brow op ed, sister. *g*
This process is a farce. All it does is give the failed ideas of the Republicans “legitimacy” and confuses an already bewildered public. One thing that’s coming out of this is the Republicans do not respect the President let alone fear him.
THe rethugs brought in all those Doctors, why didn’t the Democrats bring any in?? Schummer had some good comments that I agree with. These rethugs are long winded.
Pelosi clearly pointed out the American people do not have the time for them to start over. Hell the Repubs had six years when they owned the WH, the House, the Senate. And now they want the Dems to start over.
Get on the bus or get rolled over
shotojamf, What guy are you talking about?? Is Marsha a rethug or just a blue dem and is she really there??
Government bureaucrats making health care decisions is far more
complicated than hiring fireman, which is done on a local level.
Our schools suck and federal prisons are manged by independent
contractors
There’s Liveblog Part 2 upstairs
Well, now, that depends on what “really” really means. Her blonde do and cranky puss are there. For sure. But, if you mean her soul, that’s another question.
Are Kline and Baucus talking about existing ‘professional‘ industry associations or just a small business buying pools? If so, under what set of parameters would these businesses be arranged? Region? Size? State? Number of employees? Profits? It makes a difference because any mechanism for grouping business will most likely exclude some which is not acceptable.
Small businesses can barely afford to offer health care plans, so forcing them to join a trade association and pay membership fees would offset or erase any savings this tact would deliver. Also, how can this change counter the problem with ‘insurance mobility’ when an employee decides to take a job elsewhere? Pre-existing conditions? How does this help the entrepreneur that is in the process of building a business? Especially in emerging markets – such as ‘green jobs’ – where industry associations are non-existent or in their infancy?
That will change as the funding dries up.
And that’s what will happen as we are
now seeing cuts coming in medicare
Dude, we already have crap, rationed care. It blows chunks. Private enterprise does a crap job re health care. Millions of people without access. There is NO other way to solve this problem than to expand Medicare for all Americans. It’s not only morally right, it drives down costs and saves money.
Wow, the pharma deal just back fired on Obama on national television. I have to agree with John McCain on this one.
I am a Vet also, and I just had eye surgery at the VA in Asheville, we have the best of health care…so…as my Republican friend said of his late wife passing…if she had been treated at the VA, she would be alive today.
I have talked with a lot of veterans there and an overwhelming number tell me ” My wife’s health care covers me to but I like the service here”.
Yes…those of us who actually use complelely gov controlled health care love it…but just listen to the fox news who know nothing tell you how bad it is…they probalby have never even stepped into a VA hosp…ask Dole where he went for his health care…yes completely gov controlled Walter Reed Hosp…
This summit is just the republicans being baby’s…no constructive dialogue so far except one…Cogburn I think it was…McCan’t is still fighting the civil war, revolutionary war, WWI, WW2, Vietnam…what a sicko he has become..and I am a Navy veteran.
Your beloved govt. plans are going bankrupt.Adding more people will hasten the demise.
Why don’t OBAMA answer John MCcain comment about the phrama deal…
Yes…Bush and the republicans really screwed this country up didn’t they….
What about the “defense” budget? Why is that not big gov’t and social programs are? Shouldn’t we slash that?
But it IS a form of government, right? Federal, state, local.
Are you not paying attention.
Part of the HC overhaul is to cut medicare.
The AMA is fighting to stop the cuts.
What do you think happens to quality of care,
if Physicians are reimbursments arecut?
Obama is boiling right now…and rightfully so.
Red herring, dude. Just expand Medicare for everyone and cut “defense” spending. Oh, and tax the rich. Economy solved.
No. There is much more accountability on local
government. Local government can not run deficits
as does federal government and therefore are more
efficient
how old are you dude?
Old enough. This deficit hawk nonsense is all a big red herring. There’s enough money. Just have to know where to look.
Well that is the analysis that about 2 months of economics comes up with. National deficits have nothing to do with actual levels of resources. Nor is the current federal deficit rooted in inefficiency but rather in a broken revenue model combined with a chronic lack of long term investing.
Bull! I’m watching and taping C-SPAN3 on Comcast (it is a premium channel without commercial interruption here in GA). Where do you live? Perhaps CSPAN 3 is a premium station where you live but Fox is not? If you live in a red state, I do not find that surprising.
You must be watching a different Summit. Obama kicked that mean old man’s ass again. Put him in his place, he did.
Most all my fellow vets that use the VA praise the facility, its medical staff, and the quality of treatment they receive. As a matter of fact, until President AWOL and VP Draft Dodger started two wars on credit while gutting funding to the VA, hospitals like Walter Reed were held in the highest esteem. Obama and the Democrats have done much to improve the VA. New regulations enacted in June 2009 that made it easier for ALL veterans to access the VA – service related injuries or not – as was promised in many of our enlistment contracts and that were later denied to us by our fellow public servants in Congress who have Cadillac coverage and have had for some time (many who have never served in the Armed Forces.)
Well said Impishparrot…it boils me to see people like cheney condemn gov health care while getting the best health care…government run health care.
RE Coburn and Medicare waste fraud and abuse
I was told by my congressman that Republicans cut the budget for the Inspectors General to track down waste, fraud and abuse during the Dubya years. Apparently Dick Cheney’s anti-regulatory goons cut the budget for oversight and investigation.
The 60 Minutes show a few weeks ago highlighted how few people were employed to do this, and that they were limited, as well as the absurd fraud patterns in just one county in Florida.
I STRONGLY support funding W,F,A investigations, plus tightening the reimbursement models. We know that credit card companies use simple modeling software to identify fraud patterns. I helped build a financial services firm which did this a decade ago, so it’s not expensive or novel.
As to the rest of Coburn’s stuff… I want to read the transcript so I don’t mischaracterize it.
I agree with others that Single Payer would cut costs by eviscerating for-profit insurers. Were the words Single Payer ever uttered today?
School lunch is a way to dispose of surplus food, not quality food. Ask the Republicans from farm states why that’s the case.
(I have relatives who are farmers and have made more from farm subsidies for land banking that growing anything over the last 30 years.)