The meeting will be divided into four segments:
Controlling costs – introduced by the President
Insurance reforms – introduced by Secretary Sebelius
Reducing the deficit – introduced by the Vice President
Expanding coverage – introduced by the President
This is part four, which should be focussed on expanding coverage, part one’s liveblog can be found here, part two is here, part three is here.
3:52 – Obama says the tax credits to expand coverage will probably be the most difficult part to reach an agreement. Says that if we decide as a society that we are going to cover the uninsured we will need to find a way to pay for it.
3:54- Republican John Barrasso says every thinks this bill will make your health care worse and your insurance cost more. Claims the people with catastrophic plans (under insured) are the best consumers of health care.
3:59 – Obama ask Barrasso if he would be satisfied if every member of congress only had catastrophic care coverage. Barrasso said yes. (I think I smell a making of a great popular bipartisan bill to cut Congress member’s insurance benefits.)
4:02 – Waxman wonders if Republican want Medicare turned into catastrophic only coverage. Says seniors should be worried if we don’t do anything and Paul Ryan gets his way with turning all of Medicare into vouchers.
Waxman “we need to hold down the cost by bringing everyone into the system.” If we adopted the Republican plan we would only cover 3 million instead of 30 million, not hold down the deficit, or end pre-existing conditions.
4:10 – Republican Peter Roskam says his district does not like the bill. He disagrees with coverage expansion through Medicaid. Calls it a house of cards. (too bad it is so much more cost effective than forcing people to buy private insurance.)
4:16 – Obama again ask the Republicans if they are willing to support any increase coverage beyond the 3 million in House Republican bill. Says he would prefer to have people covered in the exchange instead of Medicaid. (Why did this bill not do it, Because the private insurance exchange is roughly 40% less cost effective than Medicaid and would be extremely wasteful.)
4:20 – Democrat Chris Dodd thinks it is ironic that in this country we provide people with a lawyer if they are charged with murder but not health care. 14,000 Americans lost their health care today. Dodd claims that you can’t get to affordability and economic issues without dealing with expanded coverage.
4:24 – Republican Joe Barton says there is a fundamental difference between the Republicans and the Democrats on health care. Says what we really need is insurance across state lines and tort reform not “mandates” defining the minimum requires for “insurance.” We need to start over.
4:29 – Obama says there is nothing radical about this Democratic bills. Most everyone’s with insurance right now gets the same insurance.
4:30 – Democrat Ron Wyden for the last 6 hours we have heard Republicans talk only about incremental reform and Democrats talk about comprehensive reform. Says numerous studies and history says that incremental reform just ends up cost more. Wyden says we need to stay in the fight until everyone can select on insurance provider like members of Congress do.
4:34 – Republican Mitch McConnell says the polls show Americans oppose this bill by overwhelming margins. Americans have followed this debate and want to start over with a blank sheet of paper.
4:37 – Obama counters that many individual provision poll very well (Some individual provision poll extremely badly though.)
4:39 – Patty Murray tells the story of a little boy who’s money died from a lack of insurance. The bill is important because it finally gives people with no choices, choices on the exchange.
4:41 – Republican Tom Coburn says the key goal is to reconnect the mechanism of payment with purchase.
4:44 – Democrat Charles Rangel Americans wonder “why does it take 60 to get a majority?” Says people are not concerned with the debate they are concerned with what we produce. “I have no clue how many pages the Medicare bill was” and don’t think people in the emergency room will care
4:48 – Democrat John Dingell the reason people don’t have health care in this country is because they can’t afford it. We need to buckle down and get to the business of solving this countries biggest problem. Sell insurance across state lines will cause a race to the bottom. Why are being so fussy about having decision made in the House and the Senate made by a simple majority.
4:56 – Democrat Nancy Pelosi we want a public option and came a long way to a Republican idea of exchanges. She lets Tom Coburn know that they already adopted reform to deal with quality purchasing instead of quantity. There is no public funding of abortions in these bills and this bill does not cut Medicare benefits.
This will take courage to do. Social security was hard and Medicare was hard. The American people understand their should be an end of pre-existing conditions and the Republican bill does not.
5:00 – Obama we agree that we need some insurance market reforms even if we don’t agree on all of them. The ones not included in the Republican bill but included in the Democratic bill are popular. Asks Republicans to look at the bill’s insurance reforms and honestly ask which ones they think the American people should not get.
The idea of the exchange is not a government take over it is how a market works.
Says the idea of purchasing insurance across state lines is already in the bill. The Republican version of the bill will produce a “race to the bottom.” The same thing happened in the credit card market.
This is not a government take over but just common sense consumer protections. The government does consumer protections in all parts of life.
The exchange is a market base approach. They attacked the public option as a government takeover and when that was dropped they attacked the bill with the same rhetoric. Republicans seemed to like exchanges until I embraced it.
It does not seem the differences can be bridge on how we expand coverage. A report came out showing majority of Americans are already getting public health insurance. We would love to have a five page bill if we could. (you could “Medicare for all”)
Obama points out there is a lot of Republican ideas in the bill that Obama supports. It was many Republican ideas that we adopted like Medpac which were attacked as the government takeover of health care.
Ask the Republicans to do some soul searching to see if they can come up with any ideas on how to get coverage for 30 million Americans. He thinks that divided might not be bridgeable. Politically speaking agreeing to bipartisan reform might be very tough for Republicans.
We can not have another year long debate about this. (We should not even have had a year long debate period.)
Only running over time by an hour and a half the summit finally ends. As expect it is unlikely to produce a bipartisan agreement.



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OOOOO! Rep. Waxman is hammering Rep. Ryan on the Medicare voucher! Go Waxman!
Cut their benefits! Yes!
Yeah, let Congress buy insurance on the individual market for a couple of years. Single payer will become a national sacrament.
Ding, dig, ding, we have a winner.
I get the sense that Obama is ruling out use of reconciliation.
No?
Feh! They’re a bunch of bazillionairs. They have staff bay their bills.
I’m with Bill and Jason at #1 and #2.
Thanks, gents!
who’s talking now?
I don’t get that . . . it’s not a topic on the table today I don’t think, is all?
Just my thought.
Roskam?
I liked the “good cop, bad cop” routine with Waxman and Obama as Henry wrapped up.
No, he is rope-a-dopeing them. He is offering to use colture, but only with assurances. It puts them in a box. If they don’t go for it, reconciliation will happen. If they do go for it the bill passes. In any case the Dems move forward.
“Entitlement Expansion.”
A faux elephant from a faux concerned party line.
Sigh.
Obama is stressing large areas of agreement in front of the American people. Given his past behavior, I can’t imagine him using reconciliation at this point. Maybe I’m wrong.
That’s because it is a process issue, not an issue of the summit. It is the threat that is held over the Republicans heads, but not open for discussion.
Yeah, wasn’t that beautiful? Kabuki at it’s best, to appease the GOP, while ensuring the FUCK YOU GOP was still inserted and twisted on the way out! *G*
thank you
he wants to shake the slate clean
What if a poll shows the majority of the public thinks he should continue to work with republicans — incrementally, even start over?
Let’s do incremental things?!? Seriously…does this guy talk to constituents or look at polls?
Like I said, it’s not a topic for today, today is a staged smackdown of the GOP, to let america see where they are coming.
Likely, this was staged to TRY to appease us progs and the ‘left’ folks . . . WE all know, no matter how much fun this was, the reality is what the Senate votes for and if the House will pass it.
And the pressure is mounting, as the clock tick to November. Pressure, I love it (insert David Bowie youtube)!
Just been catching this in pieces today, but what’s with all the bizarre analogies from the Repubs? Have they been doing this all day?
They want to start over now with a clean Etch-a-sketch?
Yep. It’s not for today’s kabuki.
But it’s there!!!!
*G*
Their base can relate to the Etch-a-Sketch as a tool for recording ideas.
Why even ask a question like that?
Do you actually BELIEVE any polling would ASK that, and the response would be what you posit?
I don’t see either happening . . . course, I don’t get your reason for asking the question, what prompted the thought I wonder? Thanks . . . .
No chance. It is a political disaster if they start over. Not just electorally but for any other agenda items. The decision to go through reconciliation is made, Sen. Reid would not be defending the use of it if that were not the case.
The problem with your poll idea, is that you have to look at the cross tabs. 50% might say they don’t want this bill, but that includes us DFH who don’t think it goes far enough. When you strip us out, that makes the number a lot lower and it makes it more important to do the bill now.
The other thing is most of the people who are against this all together will never ever vote for a Dem. The White House and the President know that.
GOP talking points, obstructionism, delay, create DEM failure in the minds of america.
Nothing new.
Market down, Wellpoint up. (top right)
http://www.google.com/finance?client=news&q=wlp
Wow, nice explanation, goes WAY beyond where I was coming from.
Thanks . . . sometimes it’s hard to separate MY desire to kill the bill if no robust PO from the 23% who want to kill the bill cuz it’s socialism!!!
Yeah, we have had car shows, and others. When you have only lies you have to work on razzle dazzle.
Like the lyrics from Chicago says “As long as you keep them way off balance, they’ll never notice you got no talents”
If the WH and the President know that these people will never vote for them or with them, they must have just learned it this morning. All this bi-partisan crap has really gotten us nowhere and it continues. Obama has played to Republicans in every possible way. If he had the guts to stand up for us we would have had a health care bill months ago.
Republicans tell Obama that the more he caved to their demands, the less popular the bill has gotten among the public – true. They are ripping him with popular sentiment and he cannot do shit, because he himself stands behind this piece of crap.
Sorry, I am politics and policy Barbie – Pull the string and you get five minutes on policy or politics. Maybe that is why my wife has stopped talking to me….
Maybe. You could be right. However it is pretty clear this is the Republicans last chance then the House and Senate Democrats are going to do it on their own.
Barrasso is so full of shit. No way would he ever have just catastrophic insurance. We should all write him and ask when he is going to introduce a bill to do just that.
Now you are talking about Obama/WH/Dem’s being bought and paid for by corporate special interests.
That’s the apple. The orange today is Dem v. GOP, for kabuki and to appease us DFH’s (never mind we KNOW this).
Bill, someday, I’d be delighted to pour a cold one and talk for hours . . . *G*
Thanks for all and any input you share with us all.
Are you going to Netroots Nation? I am going to try to be there.
I hope you are right. The Dems presently in DC haven’t done anything to brag about so far. I’m waiting…..
here’e the link to the righteous Durbin rant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHqhCbxu2wk
Here’s what I just wrote the honorable Senator from Wyoming:
Dear Senator, I just heard you say you would be happy if all members of Congress had employer paid catastrophic health insurance only (actually you didn’t exactly say employer paid but I just sort of assumed it). I think this is a great idea and would save taxpayers a ton of money. When do you plan to introduce legislation to accomplish this? You can count on me for a donation once you do so.
If I hear anything back I will post it…
Nope, not in any budget we have at this point. Till then, it’s a virtual . .
Like Belgian Beer?
Really? The stimulus? SCIP expansion? COBRA and Unemployment extensions? Justice Sotomyor?
Good stuff has been done. Plus it is hardly fair to paint all Dems that way. The House has passed some good bills that have languished in the Senate, which is not all the Democrats fault (which is not to say that I am holding them blameless, I am not). So, I would have loved to have them do more I don’t think they have been completely laying down.
Nice touch, thanks Elliott!
If the Democrats were to agree to start all over, wouldn’t the Republicans just beat them over the head with that -mercilessly- come election time?
Mitch McConnell distorting what the American People really have said or want . . . sigh.
Time to break for Champagne and caviar in the Crystal room! I despise all of them. Plutocratic scum. None of them give a flying fuck about the rest of us! Obamarahma is only playing lip service to look like he’s caring. The Gopers are thinking about their various tropical escape pods. What is this for????
and slide one down here — please
I put the vid up in a diary but for anyone else who wants to post it on their blog, I thought I’d toss in the link.
nice!
Jeezus…when I left this this morning, Miss Mitch was saying the exact same thing about polls and reconciliation and clean sheet of paper then…what frickin robots these tools are. He can’t respond to any of the other things said all day…just repeat word-for-word his focus group-tested script. Pathetic!
Obama just gave away the whole purpose of today’s kabuki, which was to let the GOP hang themselves in front of the public . . “. . . . everyone goes to their respective corners.”
Heh heh . . . . a spanking of great magnitude, for all to see. Love it for what it is, great kabuki.
Loved how Obama referred to polling, without calling out the Rethug claiming polling details that are so fudged it’s sick. No need to beat them up TOO much, the key is to let them take the rope and hang themselves.
To that end, I think Obama’s done a great job today.
Back for a sec, friends. Told you I’m yard working and listening to Rock and Roll. Guess what very On Topic song I’m listening too.
Wasted Words. (Allman Bros.)
Dude!
One For You Hoss, Heck, Take All 4!
*G*
Oh definitely all about purchase and payment, Coburn-san. /s
Yeah, I shoulda acknowled that, also . . . the snark runs deep!!!
Well done Runfastandwin!
Millions without jobs? Millions without health care? Infrastructure falling apart? Schools being underfunded and closing? Stimulus being used to prop up state budgets instead of putting people to work? Yes, they did a few good things but how much have real people been assisted? I have grown children who can’t afford health care although they work (2 jobs).
I’m on Medicare so I get what I need but the next generation is in severe trouble and it makes me furious.
Earlier it was Tied To The Whipping Post.
Dudes were either before their time, or nothing’s changed.
Heh. We just aren’t capitalist enough. That’s the problem.
“All they have to say is, Yes or no”!!!
Nice!!!
With all due respect, I expect both to happen.
Thank you, thank you.
I just got back from a meeting with my physical therapist [new] and somehow we got into a talk re Obama. Her take “he’s been trying, but he gets blocked by those Republicans.”
And she counts herself as a Democrat. OTOH, this is the first time she’s talked politics with ME.
I can’t deal with The Stupid.
Rangel putting the final nails into the coffin. *G*
Wish you were here. You’re a guy, right? I’ve been cutting and raking and singing and I could use some help.
Maybe a beer.
I agree. This is what Plouffe pulled off with the televised appearance of PBO at the R retreat a coupe weeks ago, only writ large, and with Obama’s whole team in the room. This is actually a kind of genius. The Rs have nothing from a practical solutions perspective, have nothing from a constructive engagement perspective, never have had, and this format forces them to put their brittle faith-based devotion to a rich man’s ideology on full display. The public eye will recognize that and will not be kind to them.
Gimmee the short story, pretty please?
Do you REALLY want to get into a “good stuff/bad stuff” list comparison?
‘Cause you’re gonna get clobbered around these parts.
Good to know whose talking points you’ve been ingesting, however.
I think your OFA meeting leader is calling.
Hmm, ok . . . any reason you expect it to happen?
I just don’t see it, unless it’s a GOP bought and paid for propaganda effort, or is that your premise?
Charlie singing a damn good kumbaya.
Guy, yes . . .
Beer Good Enough For Bill And Elliott, Good Enough For YOU!
Rangel: I don’t think someone in the emergency room cares about the size of the bill.
You Betcha!!!!
Thanks for the reply.
And VERY well said.
Saw that, and it gave me the idea.
The thing of it is, like this Health Bill, it’s on a slope. About 55 – 60 degrees, so it’s rough on the ole bod working on it. Muscles owie.
See how I stay on topic?
Generally he called the GOP for what it was, yadda yadda . . . check out Jon’s summary up above when Rangel’s part is posted in his live blogging . . . ;-)
Thanks.
‘k. Jason summs well. IMVHO.
And BTW, WTF is “budget deficit” doing on the playlist?
Entertaining this subject only grants it legitimacy. Fuck it.
Word.
I’ve been stewing about that.
For us DFH’s it’s always an uphill battle.
Yep.
only shoveling here, altho this time we aren’t the center of the storm
Know you are fully engaged in the big picture and the tiny details, but today’s kabuki was to show the world the utter and complete lack of moral rectitude the GOP lacks.
So, I chose to view today’s proceedings in their very own context, excluding all the OTHER realities we DFH’s are well aware of from the betrayal the Dem’s, WH and Obama have delivered.
Apples and oranges.
We need a People’s Health Care Summit. Bought-off elites bearing sound bites do not an inspiring summit make.
David Plouffe and David Axelrod have better kill this rumor, the reason they like the Health Care deal is because it comes with a huge Pharma Advertising contract for them.
Selling out progressives for a advertising contract with Big Pharma is not smart.
the american people hate the Senate Health Care Bill,
Obama time would have better been serve standing in front of some state capital talking about new federal construction projects on the way, and more jobs will result.
When un-employment is at 10% or more, you need to talk about Jobs, Jobs, Jobs, not about making Health Insurance Companies CEOs rich.
All progressives know that the current White House and Senate Dem health care bill is a republican bill.
GO NANCY!! KICK ASS!!!!!!!
nancy PO????
Here’s another: Win, Lose or Draw.
I’m tellin’ ya!
If only they would let me go…so far away.
Pelosi public option push!
It’s 78 degrees out at my place. Why I’m making hay.
(((Elliot))
Apples and oranges, today’s kabuki was a delight to watch.
She was great this morning. And, again?
Let’s send her some flowers.
Pelosi = honesty matters.
Accuracy matters.
Amen!!
Shit on them Nancy!! You go Girl!!
Nancy’s just ripping it up, I haven’t smiled like this about her, or politics, in years.
*G*
Hey dude! We’re All Having One
Yeeah!! WTF!! She tore them up!!!
Here we go, the close.
Nancy Pelosi thank you!
10 from BO .. interesting…lets see how he dresses the opposition down or whimps away??
Government intrudes = proof of need for regulation!
People, can you feel it?
Love is everywhere.
Song of revolution…..
I’m just providing the sound track here. Don’t mind me.
Proof of reality by quoting families he’s heard from, dispells GOP myths.
Huh. Don’t underestimate the power of popular resentment at rich execs. It grew with the financial meltdown, and now it’s re-hot w/r/t greedy insurance CEOs. Jobs is separate policy-wise, and touches a different part of the psyche.
Reality has a well known liberal bias, after all. /s
Lemme know when ya got to In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed!!
Allman Brothers, and southern rock, was some of the FINEST in it’s early to mid 70′s heydey.
Oh go have some ice cream demi!!
Nice mavericky nose blow there, John McCain.
Wotta dick.
Crossing state lines v. watered down LCD profiteering!
He’s just BEATING the GOP hard!
Ewww … Boner’s 6-hour shine is wearing off !
Quelle gaffe, PBO dissing Joe B’s Delaware for lax credit card laws.
finally he mentions the corruption of interstate credit cards in re health insurers
:) What a great idea!
But, there’s more yard work beckoning.
The music will continue until we’re done. It’s the only way I can get menial tasks complete.
Share your Bong, Sister … *g*
Boehner: “I am The Slime on your video screen.”
Not a government take over! Dispells the GOP myth!!! Regulation GOOD!
Not explicitly. And besides, it’s a fact of life.
/quibble
gynies?!
I hear ya demi… it is manna for the soul..
Hey, I applaud the point and PBO’s willingness to say it despite the existence of Joe.
More GOP myth busting . . . we give, and GOP says give more!
Obama and the Senate Dems (Max Baucus the ring leader) are clearly disappointed, when you blue dogs democrats write what you think is an awesome republican health care plan, and are it is totally rejected by your right wing republican counterparts. It must hurt.
Obama gears up for 2012 campaign, the question is will he runs as a moderate republican or tea party candidate.
Insurance companies are not run by Mother Teresa, OBAMA
Obama must have sit in the same classes as Dumb Bush, we americans suppose to believe Health Insurance Companies will not price fix.
Obama does not know why FED EX, UPS, keep their rates low, they keep them low because the United States Post Services forces them too.
House Dems need to ignore the current White House and Senate Dems, they are both clueless.
Oooh killer stat from PBO: For the first time more Americans are getting health insurance from private insurrers than from the USG.
He’s really killing in this summation. Just past quitting time on the East Coast — is it live on mainstream TV channels there now?
OOOOOOOOO!!! Capital Gains don’t pay medicare taxes!!!
BRILLIANT!!!!!
Just enjoy in the day’s kabuki, hoss . . . the rest we can take up tomorrow.
it’s been obvious for a while, the republicans have actually become “libertaarians”, they want everything privitised, the government’s only purpose is protecting the profit of business
I’ve been CSPAN 3 from the get go out here left coast.
It was/he said/it is that more Americans are getting their health care from the government than from private insurance, the opposite of what you reported. I just watched it..
None of this is true, cuz Obama ain’t using a telee- promptuh !
He’s just spanking the GOP while praising them . . . this is beautiful rhetoric.
THAT is one terrific post!
I meant is this summation timed for the masses at work to be able to see, and is the trad media going live with it.
Why does he wait till the bitter end for a confab like this? Where was the leadership 9 months ago?
You Get 4 Too, 4 That!
*G*
Ah, sorry . . . good question, will be interesting to see as 5pm approaches out here.
Sorry if I got that wrong, but he explained that companies are laying people off and they’re going to public plans.
Waiting for midterm campaign season to open?
And I may have misinterpreted it, so my bad to jedi . . .
Pressure is different now, and will continue to be different, up to November and ’12.
Heh, “and if we CAN’T close that gap . . “
The thousand pound elephant in the room, is the fact that medicare is going to bank rupt the USA govt. Why taking care of the Baby Boomers in their golden years is going to put the rest of us in the poor house.
(Obama just let the cat out of the hat, more people on Govt Health Care than private health care, and the Govt number is about to sky rocket!)
The only rational solution is going to be single payer.
When we can’t go fight for oil and water when your Govt is broke, so big oil, wal-mart, microsoft, gm, ford, are going to force the USA govt to take over health care.
Money never SLEEPS!
Being a member of Congress should count as a “pre-existing condition”. Deny all insurance for all members of Congress, and force them to pay out of their own pockets (or, rather, out of the pockets of their benefactors) for everything that happens to them. Given how many of them are dessicated old men with pieces falling off of them, that should be fun to watch.
Take away Dick Cheney’s insurance, too, and publicize where all the funding for his artificial souls comes from…
he’s saying obama actually believes, left to itself, a business will be a benefactor to society
and even though the very idea is obsurd, I agree that obama actually believes, or acts like he believes that
libertarians act like they believe it too, the upper echelon of libertarians know it’s rediculous propaganda but the masses that sing on to the libertarian seduction believe that propaganda
I am not sure if obama is faking it or if he is a moron and believes it
Doesn’t hurt ‘em that badly because they’re generally so well off they can self-insure.
“Not starting over . . . procedurally get it done quickly . . ”
Spanky spanky.
“And if we can’t that’s what elections are for. . .”
Great wrap up. He smacked ‘em.
Best. Kabuki! Evah!!!
Thanks to Jon Walker, Jason Rosenbaum, and all Pups who commented, blogged live, and kept up the snark and information that I may have missed!
I gotta get some chores done!!!
Keep the pressure on, call them daily (use local numbers so as to not incur charges for long distance).
This one’s not over yet, not until November!!!!
IMVHO, if he’d rushed it through last year, the GOP and people who fund elections (many of them not US citizens) would have ripped him. It took time to let the GOP reveal itself as intransigent.
The way that I hear what he just said was, “We’ve now unpeeled you GOPers as superficial, and unserious. Those of us who are serious will be moving on, but no hard feelings on our end. We have work to do. Catch up with us when you can figure out how to do that.”
A very cordial: we gave you every chance to work with us.
Funny, I thought we alread had an election, and WE were the ones who won it for him. Seriously, WTF is the point of delaying for another election? Is he gonna hold HI reform hostage in order to get more Ds elected in the midterms?
I sincerely hope your read is correct, and see no strong signs that you’re not.
Omigawd, a hopeful thought…. heaven forfend!!! /s
if only
thanks for the beerz
Beer thirty at Barry’s place!
I thought that he was giving them at most six weeks.?? And then Procedures of the Congress would be used to pass the bill and that is what elections are for..
If only Obama did this to start with
Speaking of beer-thirty
Here’s to Jon and Bill!
thank you both so much for liveblogging this for us all.
yeah…sigh..
Harry up for the spin… 5:32PM EST. Carrying live on news, anyone?
for sure…
Oh Mary Matlin is smoking something??? Will she please share with the rest of us so we too can spew such shit… Oh yeah CNN..
Ok, one more response.
You: The thousand pound elephant in the room, is the fact that medicare is going to bank rupt the USA govt. Why taking care of the Baby Boomers in their golden years is going to put the rest of us in the poor house.
Me: Uh, that’s not true, it’s disingenuous as you phrase it, and it’s an unnecessary slap at Boomers. I’ll ‘splain why as I go here.
YOU: (Obama just let the cat out of the hat, more people on Govt Health Care than private health care, and the Govt number is about to sky rocket!)
Me: Um, ignores the big picture of what’s needed for reform and change.
You: The only rational solution is going to be single payer.
Me: No, what’s needed is complete reform of corporations, a 50% reduction in our military expenditures, forcing the 1% to be taxed at higher rates and taking all the savings and creating jobs, fast, GOVERNMENT jobs, with government paychecks. If we can find $ A Trillion for banking/finance rescue, $ A Trillion for stimulus for corporations, then we can find $ A Trillion to create jobs now, and taxes from those jobs will pay for government run healthcare. So yes, I’m a fan of single payer, but it can’t exist without the other things happening.
You: When we can’t go fight for oil and water when your Govt is broke, so big oil, wal-mart, microsoft, gm, ford, are going to force the USA govt to take over health care.
Me: I don’t believe in fighting for oil and water, I don’t believe in imperialistic interventions for those purposes, and I think they are in of themselves a scam to make the 1% richer.
And I firmly believe in government taking over healthcare from top to bottom, as it will eliminate 30% of the cost of PROVIDING care immediately when we cut out the admin money spent on reviewing and denying claims and coverage and the bonuses to private insureance management and CEO’s.
You: Money never SLEEPS!
Me: Agreed, and that’s why we need to put pressure on them all, day after day, no matter HOW busy, frustrated or tired we are from having to do it day by day when just surviving is so difficult.
We either fight, or we die.
It’s a class war, it’s not an ideological war. The ideological war is kabuki to keep we the people diverted and divided.
I gotta go, so I’ll miss your reply.
I’ll bet it’s gonna be a beaut, too . . . *G*
We disagree, don’t we. *G*
Nancy: “…continued until today.” I think they’re prepping the public for reconciliation.
THis press availability is highly scripted. They’re playing for keeps. Thank gawd!
Ok, one more reply.
“I am not sure if obama is faking it or if he is a moron and believes it”
Great thought, I am not sure by any means, either.
I’m not even sure we CAN pressure him and the Dem’s into a more progressive position on HCR or any reforms.
But I know we have to try, and there’s JUST enough evidence that as we crawl to November and to ’12, we might be getting heard, and we might be getting some traction.
4 On Me, 4 U!
This is the best I’ve ever seen Steny. I think they rehearsed this.
*G*
*bows*
and finally
So suppose you are a voter in New Mexico: do you care that your GOPer is ranting about reconciliation? OR do you care that you have medical coverage?
I’m thinking the latter matters a whole lot to many, many people.
And Pelosi articulated: health care is an anchor weighing down America’s businesses and entrepreneurs.
What more do you really need to say to get some action?
Health care reform is a jobs bill by a different name.
Honestly, I hope the Dems stop worrying so much and just savor and enjoy the experience of passing health care reform. Or at least, those Dems who aren’t bought off or owned by healthCos. Because this has been a long time coming, and I hope that it is a personally satisfying, energizing experience for the best among these electeds. After all those years of BushCheney crap, this really is the Dem’s chance to relish making a difference in people’s lives.
Maybe that’s ‘Pollyanna-ish’, but it’s true nevertheless ;-))
Sigh, many here at FDL called Obama for what he was pre election and post. It’s been proven true by his actions he’s not governing as a progressive. Nothing new here.
The ONLY thing we can do is apply pressure, any way we can, and yes, upcoming elections are part of the pressure being applied, it’s how our present broken system works.
We have to FORCE any of our elected offals to do what we want, because they are bought and paid for by the corporations. As Mussolini said (loosely quoted) that’s the definition of facism.
We have to apply pressure, and if we don’t, we deserve anything that happens. It’s a class war, of epic proportions.
Or is it, as FDR said, “I want to do it, you want me to do it, it’s the right thing to do… now MAKE ME DO IT.”…?
*sigh*
McConnell
“start over”
2700 page bill
also
President wasn’t listening – Kyl
The Rs really are coming off as bedwetters today. Good.
He should not be listening to any Arizona senator.
Except that the president was listening, to the majority that elected him. Time again to remind the Rs that elections have consequences.
I think today wasn’t about today, it was about setting the stage for, and legitimating, what comes next which is going to be a pushing-through of the D vision of HI reform. Without today that push would have seemed way less legitimate. Pretty basic.
Politically today was also about cementing in the mind of that part of the public who can still be persuaded that the current R mindset is strictly obstructionist. That will help the jobs bill effort and the midterm campaigns & elections.
Doublewin.
I agree with your perspective.
Add climate change = triple win.
Add energy alternatives and budgets for alternatives = quadruple win.
And so on…
I expect the GOP to become hysterical any minute now.
Indeed, I actually interpret Glenn Beck’s mendacity and Limbaugh’s meanness as a symptom of their increasing fury at no longer being able to determine the agenda. (shrug…)
I think that as a result of this summit the dynamic of the HCR debate may have changed just a bit in favor of the plan backed by Obama and the Dems but given the villanous appearing Republicans it was really an easy task to accomplish. I mean the Rs when listened to over any extended period of time are just absolutely ghoulish, so give Obama some credit for highlighting this fact on tv.
The problem however is that it is one thing for the Dem HCR plan to look good in comparison to the R’s plan it is altogether another thing for that same plan to be meaningful reform. And all that Obama achieved was to appear to be reasonable in contrast to Rs. But he did so in defense of a plan that was very poorly defined. While this was an achievement it was really a pretty hollow one.
Given that the R’s approach to HCR is so clearly abysmal it is all the more unforgivable that Obama’s own proposal, such as it is, is so meager. There was virtually no defense of the PO or medicare buy-in so that for all intents and purposes the plan that Obama was defending is pitiful when compared with the magnitude of change that is required.
Not when the president is a closet Republican.
is there any objective evidence that the Rs (as batshit crazy as they are) are actually obstructing some dem plan (good or bad)? or is it D campaign rhetoric being used to blame the Rs for the failure of the Ds? or some of both, or something else?
seriously looking for evidence on this one. how am i to judge the various possibilities?
thanks to anyone who has any sources for me on this!
Missed an hour or so. But imagine the Repubs did not say much except “start over, go back to the beginning (how many decades?), start from scratch, rip up those papers”
Amazed that no one in the MSM picked up on one of Obama’s last statements There has to be “significant movement”