Ruth Marcus has a good rundown of the mathematical hurdles facing the White House as they try to pass their health care bill:
In the House, the only way to cobble together a majority will be to secure votes from moderate Democrats who balked at passing the bill the first time around. These are the lawmakers who are most rattled by the Massachusetts vote — with good reason. For a Democratic House member in a swing district, the politics counsel against voting yes. “This is a career-ending vote,” one Democrat told me — and this was a lawmaker who voted for the original bill.
With the House down a few members, 217 votes will be needed for passage. The original House measure passed with 220 votes — with 39 Democrats defecting. But two of those yes votes are gone: John Murtha of Pennsylvania died; Robert Wexler of Florida resigned. A third, Neil Abercrombie of Hawaii, is leaving at the end of the month to run for governor. The lone Republican voting for the measure, Joseph Cao of Louisiana, is no longer on board.
Meanwhile, the president’s proposal does not include the anti-abortion language inserted in the House-passed measure by Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.), largely because the Senate would have difficulty fiddling with abortion language under the restrictive rules of the reconciliation process. So Stupak will be gone, and with him another five votes, perhaps more.
There are a few liberal lawmakers who might be wooed back — Ohio’s Dennis Kucinich, for instance, voted against the first version — but not enough to make up the difference. So the fate of the measure rests with the conservative Democratic Blue Dogs. A few are retiring — including John Tanner and Bart Gordon of Tennessee — and might be persuaded to switch their votes. This would help, but probably not enough.
I’ve always thought that the votes Stupak brought with him were much less than he claimed, more likely in the 3-5 range. But he may hold more than that going in to a final vote as members from conservative districts look for an excuse to vote against the bill.
Marcus says that the President’s bill is more “moderate” than the House bill. I think forcing Americans to pay 8% of their income to private companies is actually a really extreme thing to do, but even putting that argument aside, the President’s bill is indisputably more unpopular than the House bill.
People would rather have wealthy people foot the bill than have their existing insurance coverage weakened
Nancy Pelosi brags that “80 percent of the excise tax on high-cost insurance plans” has been eliminated, but as Dave Dayen explains, it’s wasn’t:
[The excise] tax initially came into play in 2014; now it gets delayed to 2018 for all plans, not just union plans. The tax at 2018 was designed to rise annually by the CPI + 1%. That would mean that the 2018 level of the excise tax was always going to be around $27,500, which is the new threshold they’re calling an “increase.” It’s a bit of a “fun with math” game.
So let’s look at how brutally unpopular the excise tax of the President’s plan is as a way to pay for health care reform, vs. the tax on the wealthy included in the House bill. According to polling done by Lake Research/Anzalone Partners in Sept. 2009 (PDF):
President’s Bill |
National | House Swing | Maine |
House Bill |
National | House Swing | Maine | ||||||
| “Cadillac”Tax |
Favor | Oppose | Favor | Oppose | Favor | Oppose | Tax on wealthy |
Favor | Oppose | Favor | Oppose | Favor | Oppose |
| “Placing a tax on the highest-cost private insurance policies in order to pay for health care reform” |
41% | 54% | 29% | 55% | 40% | 50% | “Raising taxes on households making more than three hundred fifty thousand dollars a year in order to pay for health care reform” |
60% | 40% | 53% | 43% | 57% | 38% |
The polling finds that the House surcharge is significantly more popular in swing districts than the Cadillac tax. The Anzalone pollsters also found that “voters are less likely to re-elect their member of Congress or President Obama by margins of 41 points (63% less likely to 22% more likely) and 38 points (61% to 23%), respectively, if they support an excise tax.”
The polling also determines that independent voters flee over the issue: “Across each region, opposition to taxing high-cost insurance plans is even higher among Independents, with 74% of these voters overall opposed to such a tax.”
A couple of anomalous polls maybe? Well, maybe not:
Cadillac vs. Wealth Tax |
WaPo/ABC
Oct. 15-18, 2009 |
USA Today/Gallup
Oct. 16-19, 2009 |
Associated Press Oct.29-Nov.9 2009 |
Rasmussen Jan. 18-19, 2010 |
||||
| Favor | Oppose | Favor | Oppose | Favor | Oppose | Favor | Oppose | |
| Cadillac Tax (President’s plan) | 35% | 61% | 38% | 59% | 38% | 59% | 33% | 63% |
| Tax on wealthy (House) |
– | – | 61% | 34% | 61% | 34% | 64% | 35% |
And then there’s the mandate
They also asked voters which they preferred: an individual mandate to buy insurance from a private company, or the the individual mandate with the choice of a public option. Here’s what they found:
President’s Bill |
National | House Swing | Maine |
House Bill |
National | House Swing | Maine | ||||||
| Individual mandate |
Favor | Oppose | Favor | Oppose | Favor | Oppose | Mandate + PO | Favor | Oppose | Favor | Oppose | Favor | Oppose |
| “Requiring everyone to buy and be covered by a private health insurance plan” |
34% | 64% | 34% | 60% | 35% | 55% | “Requiring everyone to buy and be covered by a health insurance plan with a choice between a public option and private insurance plans” |
60% | 37% | 50% | 46% | 55% | 40% |
It appears that in these key swing districts, voters just don’t like being forced to pay money to private insurance companies. And I actually don’t think this is an adequate snapshot of what people really feel about the individual mandate, because when we polled swing districts we found that what people really objected to was not the mandate but the fine of up to 2% of their annual income for non-compliance. Our numbers had an even bigger swing for Arkansas-02, Ohio 01, New York 01 and Indiana 09.
The President’s plan now increases that fine to a maximum of 2.5% of annual income.
As I wrote in January, Obama and most Senate incumbents don’t really have to worry about the electoral consequences of getting a “win” and passing the Senate bill. The Senate’s “pride of authorship” and desire to pay off their big donors has rendered them recalcitrant even now that the “60 vote” myth has been blown up.
As Marcus notes, however, Democratic House members see their own political futures coming to an end in 2010, in a “we are all Martha Coakley” moment that no amount of spin will take away. Districts like AR-02 and OH-01 were listed as “tossup” races, but polling by SurveyUSA showed the incumbents down 17 points against their Republican opponents. Even as the DCCC was furiously trying to deny the validity of our polls, Stu Rothenberg shifted 28 races toward the GOP in the wake of the Massachusetts election.
Meanwhile, the one House Democrat who has performed surprisingly well in a Republican leaning district — Larry Kissell — notably did not vote for the House health care bill. When PPP polled the district in January, they found Kissell leads all his GOP opponents by 14 points.
Does anyone think it’s more likely that wavering Democrats will switch their vote for a health care bill which now includes components that are even more unpopular?
Rick Klein has a rundown of various responses to the President’s health care bill. Those who predict House Democrats will fall in line and switch their votes believe they will do so in order to give Obama a “win.” In order to do that, however, these Democrats will have to be convinced that the President’s bill is more popular than the House bill they voted against, and it’s not going to cost them their seats.
I think Ruth Marcus has the math — and the conventional wisdom among Democratic House members — about right. Color me skeptical.





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Thank god Rahm Obama doesn’t worry about things such as pesky voters or they might be forced to actually lead Congress to real health care reform, such as one payer or PO and revoking the monopoly status held by insurers.
This vote could end careers if they force people to buy insurance. This vote could end careers if there is no Public Option.
Of course not getting anything big passed Obama’s first year that could hurt the Dems but hurt Obama even more why the GOP will try to make sure Obama passes nothing next year thats a given.
Who is responsible for that loser idea that alone sinks us in the next election.
Get the top 10% to pay for our Healthcare why because we bailed out their banks!
It’s pretty clear, in fact crystal clear, that a mandate enforced by the IRS is political suicide. The only thing that would make any sense at this point is Medicare for all, paid for by extending the medicare tax to all income. It’s simple and popular, and I can’t understand why Congress can’t see that.
Are we assuming that the FDL-whipped 12 or 14 progressives are going to vote yes?
Does the Cadillac Tax apply to individual policies or just to employer-based private plans?
My individual plan just went from $329 to $478 per month (+45%), with no change in benefits. Does that make it one of those “Cadillac” plans? If so, I get to enjoy the awesome pleasure of paying higher rates and a tax on top, with no control over either part, for no added benefit.
No thanks, I’ll take the blow on the head.
This looks to be a good examination of what Dems will do in the House, but I’m not totally sure that it is correct. First, the House Bill barely passed, my guess is that the House didn’t want to stick it’s neck out entirely first, especially if the Senate refused to pass a bill. That is to say that Pelosi and the Dems want just enough votes to pass in order to protect vulnerable seats and they might have more in reserve as necessary. Second, this all seems like this is going to happen no matter what, and while the White House will not lift a finger for the public option or for anything that is a fair shake for the public, they will arm twist to get this POS passed. So this analysis ignores the basic fact, Democrats are easily cowed.
Without any big wins the Dems are toast this election. Dems in swing Districts can return home with no wins or even worse a 2% fine on a person’s whole income for a year.
The GOP hates taxes a 2% fine will swell their turnout on election day. Our side won’t be happy either we need a reason to go to the polls.
In close races even a few percentage point drops in our Left voter turnout means the Dems lose.
The Dems can get angry at us but just what have they done to earn our vote? End the Wars, Stop Torture? Get us Jobs? Keep people in their Homes, get us National Healthcare?
A bank bailout where the bankers get bonuses with our tax money is no record to run on. The GM bailout kept the jobs yes but the stockholders lost a ton of cash. That includes workers whose pensions had GM stock.
That leaves Cash for Clunkers, or the everyone says it was to small Job Stimulus bill as the record the Dems will run on this election.
They do see it. The insurance industry, which would collapse with MFA, is spending hundreds of millions to stave off any type of plan that would lessen the profits of the insurance industry. Congress is not going to go against the neoliberal dogma that private industry performs better than the government. A vote for a public option or MFA would mean that corporate campaign donations from the insurance industry would dry up in a New York heartbeat.
Are they EVER going to pass anything, or just talk about it until after the Dems get creamed in the next election? I mean really, over a year of nothing but yapping, and nothing. I now see why people vote for Rethuglicans. They don’t do anything to help ordinary Americans, but at least they do something other than beat you to death with talking about the same damn thing continually. Is there nothing else important for these clowns to be doing, besides that puny jobs bill that will create 2.5 jobs and attacking those heartless Japanese automakers a la congressional kabuki theater? Never in my life have I witnessed so much talk, and so little action on anything. Hell, they could have introduced and attempted to pass 18000 pieces of healthcare legislation by now. Instead we get the nonstop continuing soap saga on healthcare. Too bad there wasn’t this much discussion on bombing those brown people overseas. They’d still be alive.
Look at the starting line when the WH and Congress took up healthcare reform. Most sensible ideas were off the table because the Insurers and Pharma didn’t want to give up anything. When you start from a position of trying to hide that you are giving in to business, when you try and hide those motives from the public, when you try to circumvent all your campaign promises, when you basically set out to deceive and spin a web of harmful distractions, you ultimately crash and burn. That is what we are seeing now. Led by this WH, 99% never entered into reform in good faith. The public sees this and will punish them harshly in November and beyond.
Oh but Holy Joe Lieberman is to slowly dip his foot into the pool and try to lift DADT. We will see more of this “social issue” red meat if only because it does not upset the balance of corporate power. Also it will be slow as hell and while they will repeal DADT they will not lift a finger with regards to DOMA or even civil unions.
They don’t just talk – they have bi-partisan meetings. Also s/
The way rate increases are escalating, every insured American will soon have what is considered a “cadillac plan” even if they only have catastropic coverage.
I would like a one time tax on income and assets for the Top Ten Percent to fund healthcare and reduce the National debt lets say John McCain has 10 homes he would have to sell one of those homes as well as get taxed on his income.
Lets say Mitt Romney has ten paintings of Alan Greenspan worth $10,000 each he would have to sell one painting or pay its estimated current value in cash to keep his painting.
I would almost argue that using the federal government to compel its citizens to pay 8% of their income to a private entity or face a 2.5% fine (and get nothing in return) is actually worse than most of the policies put forth by the Dubs. There is something really scary to me about this kind of compulsion and this next step in deregulation whereby corporations are not only not regulated but now use the government to sell products. Add onto that the whole corporations are citizens and money is speech and you have something very scary indeed.
What good is corporate cash going to do a legislator if the public won’t vote form them?
Would that be constitutional? Maybe a one time tax rate increase of 10% on the top bracket, but a 10% tax on assets would not be an income tax (but a tax on property already held) and would be an unjust taking.
Holy Joe pushing social issues is the Dem’s winning election plan in a 10% unemployment recession? Good I can think of nobody more deserving to pin the Dem’s election failure on.
The Blue Dog approach of Surrender and meaningless small change will be discredited. We must make sure the public does not identify us with the Dem’s failure we always wanted something different.
We always complained we wanted better!
Do you know anybody in the House or any Senator up for re-election this year that believes s/he has no chance of winning? Those who may be thinking of the Coakley fiasco will be looking for every dollar they can to stay in office.
and 27,000,000.00 $ in EXECUTIVE RETREATS
WASHINGTON — A major health insurer that wants to boost rates in California by up to 39 percent was trying to maximize profits by purging its sickest customers while spending millions on exorbitant salaries and retreats for its executives, congressional Democrats said Wednesday.
Rep. Henry Waxman, chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, said at a hearing on WellPoint Inc. that his panel’s investigators had received internal company documents showing that in 2008, 39 company executives received salaries of $1 million or more. And in 2007 and 2008, it spent $27 million for 103 executive retreats, which Democrats said included stays at fancy resorts in Hawaii and Arizona.
“Corporate executives at WellPoint are thriving, but its policyholders are paying the price,” said Waxman, D-Calif.
I’ve got Obama fatigue.
I remember when the bank tellers used to give me a sucker every time my grand folks took me with them. I think Dems should do the same for all of us who keep going back to vote for them.
That’s why my Heche en Viet Nam Converse sneaks cost over $40. The price went up when manufacture of the shoes went to Taiwan, then Viet Nam.
Why where does it say that? Isn’t a 2% of income fine to force us to buy Private Insurance the same thing? An asset tax at least would go to pay government expense not private crappy insurance.
Besides if they don’t like that we could end the wars now. Somehow we must pay our debts the middle class between home, credit card, student loan debt and now the expense of buying Private Insurance is tapped out.
One way or another the rich will pay or America could default on its debt in which case Banks and Rich People all over the world will see their assets drop in value.
News like that will make the 2% of yearly income fine if you don’t buy health insurance sooo Popular/s. If the Dems pass this bill with the fine the next day gun sales around the country will break records.
( no I am not advocating violence I am just predicting it)
Tell me what the actual definition of a public option is and then let me figure out whether the problems with the mandate have been outweighed. The PO appears mostly to be five blind men describing an elephant.
The excise tax bends the curve on the wrong end.
Think a tax on a tax, since the money used to purchase the asset was already taxed. Let’s be careful, here.
So, now we’re back where we were some months ago, hoping that the “current” bill will not pass. Or, that it passes only after some serious intervention.
Gun sales are climbing already. CA has limited the amount of ammunition one can buy.
Exactly! We saw a preview of that scenario in Massachusetts.
No, Americans vote for the Rethugs because they’re insane. If Americans were sane the Democrats would be America’s premier party of the Right.
Or a monkey trying to fuck a football. Actually, that’s a pretty fair description of the Obama administration.
Various state governments are way ahead of you since some are loosening gun laws as we type. My sense that the mandate makes the IRS a collection agency and silent partner with private businesses still holds.
Well there is that possible image as well.
The “Public Option” owes its popularity to the notion that being on the “Public Option” means that your claims will be paid, rather than being on a private option in which they aren’t.
Does Marcus at any point say what the “message of Massachusetts” is?
Does she get it correct that Democrats are going to STAY HOME rather than vote for more weak, phony “representatives”?
Or does she claim, like the WH apparently does, that Dems need to be WEAKER and MORE PHONY to lure voters away from the Scott Browns?
“The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration.” Amendment XVI
Which is to say that Congress has the authority to levy a tax on income, regardless of source. A piece of property or an investment or even a lampshade is not income until it is sold, and even then it needs to be sold over the original investment (minus depreciation). There mere holding of an asset is not something that is taxed nor specifically allowed under the XVI nor in Art 1. Remember that up until the XVI Congress’s authority to raise funds was very limited. Also, when on sells property they do not pay standard income tax but rather capital gains tax, which is typically a lower rate. That said I’m guessing i just read too much into what you said, but it would be more advisable to increase the top bracket by 10% or maybe even better create a 1mil and over bracket and drastically increase the income tax rate.
Boy are those folks in for a rude surprise.
The math is very simple…no Public Option, no Democratic Party. With a strong Public Option the Dems win big everywhere.
Excellent point, xargaw.
How so? They’re already in for plenty of rude surprises every day now, either because they buy expensive junk policies, or because they don’t.
I heard someone say a couple of weeks ago that the recent and very large increases in gun sales may be what actually keeps this or any other administration from declaring martial law.
States loosening gun laws? Sounds like they coming up with some kind of Plan B, in case they lose even more of their Guards or Reserves.
Ai yai yaiiii…
If that’s the case, some progressive advocate organizations better figure how to pick up the pieces within a week of the failure of healthcare reform. It needs to be put back on the November agenda with specifics; it could be progressives’ Contract with America moment if played right.
Because that math plus Conrad’s digging in his heels tells me that it is not going to pass.
Nonetheless, participate in MoveOn’s Virtual March by calling, faxing, Tweeting, and posting on the Facebooks of your favorite Senators (especially Republicans). My call with Sen. Burr’s staff was a whole lot of fun. And you can even advocate for single-payer. And especially for eliminating the anti-trust exemption on health insurance companies. Yep, it’s as useful as buying a lottery ticket, but it does add to the count of folks that Congress perceives are energized enough to turn out to vote.
Blue Texan’s regularly scheduled post has arrived: Dick Morris: Americans Don’t Trust Politicians on Health Care Reform, Except Politicians Who are Republican Doctors
I voted Democratic and helped elect a Repuke. WTF!
Your right. You take away REAL reform when you remove the Public option or better yet when you don’t expand Medicare which already exists and is wildly popular. The Dems. are trying to sell shit ( the Senate bill) as shinola and it won’t fly! The Individual mandate to buy PRIVATE INS. is political poison everywhere!! Why are the Dems. reviving the Gopers with this? They should have concentrated on JOBS. They’re fucked and so are the rest of us. Pathetic.
I notice that you said “claims” not “premiums”. I do believe that you are right and that Blanche Lincoln’s view that folks want a free lunch is wrong.
We’re already the most heavily armed, civilian wise, nation in the world. When the ban on “assault weapons” was lifted sales skyrocketed. Martial law in our cities in this day and age would be a nightmare for anybody trying to enforce it.
These nuts seem to think, from what I’ve read, that Obama is going to take away their guns. I don’t recall Obama ever mentioning guns. I think it’s right up there with the belief that he is not a real American. Crazy.
If I took what you said correctly, then some people think the PO is about getting more public assistance with their insurance payments either that or they think it is like the medicare buy in that was floated. Since my understanding of the PO, as it was described by Obama, is that people can get the option to purchase the same great insurance (not for profit!) that the government gets with Blue Cross Blue Shield, I’d say they are in for a bit of a disappointment in comparison.
I faxed from work earlier. Bill Nelson and What’s-His-Face, Martinez’s replacement. A ConservaDem and a Rethug. Shit.
Has anyone run the numbers on Obama’s tax cut vs the 2% of yearly income fine vs the cost of private insurance yet because the Righty blogs certainly will.
The only way out of this mess for Dems is to lose the cloture vote in the Senate and blame the whole thing on GOPer obstructionism. On the whole, I think they’re better off telling constituents they’re disorganized and ineffective than totally-owned corporate whores. Because if this Obamanation actually passes, Democrats will become an endangered species in DC.
But then again, that may be for the best – a severe wipeout as punishment for corporate whoredom may provide an opportunity for actual progressives, perhaps led by Dr. Dean, to take over the party.
The reichwingnuts started that bullshit on Inauguration Day. ooooo, we got us a black prezadint, getcheer guns, boys.
Problem is everybody, minus the blind faith followers, now realizes that they’re corporate whores.
From your fingertips to the cosmic muffin’s eyes.
Obama is clearly playing for the other Team.
Public Option for the American People Obama says no
Exicse Tax on Union Health Care Plans Obama says yes
Drug Importation for the American people Obama says no
Individual Mandate forcing Americans to Buy Insurance Obama says Yes
IRS Penalty if you don’t buy Insurance Obama Says Yes
White House announces Obama is gearing up to run in 2012.
The question is as what? He clearly must be planning to run as a Tea Party Candidate or Right Wing Republican.
Dem House Members with any common sense, have better hit the ignore button on this White House fast. Smart Dem House members need to start a petition declaring they will never vote for the Obama Health Care Scam.
Super Smart Dem House members need to campaign against Obama this election year.
Then you misread my posts entirely.
This is not about “more public assistance.” It’s about having a policy which pays when it’s supposed to, and not one full of loopholes where the insuring corporation pays the fine specified in the proposed new law, and tells the customer, “sorry, claim denied.” It’s also about not having to fight for justice with a public option entity, as opposed to having to fight for justice with an insurance corporation which has been improperly denying your claims.
It isn’t the Senate which won’t swallow Obamacare. It’s the House.
If that is the expectation, which honestly I missed in other descriptions of a PO that I’ve read, then those that view it this way must be expecting the PO to be about higher regulatory scrutiny since Blue Cross does not necessarily offer a wildly better record of paying off claims, as far as I know, than for profit insurance companies. The rest still stands.
Top 1%
True, they all scramble for cash, but if the voters bail, cash can only do so much. It won’t be enough. In my state, (WA, Patty Murray) Murray won’t take a definitive stand and the base will punish her no matter how much money she raises. They will likely sit home. The enthusiasm has been sucked out of the state. Cantwell is worse, but is not up for re-election. It is really striking to see how a base that was working night and day and totally on cloud nine little more than a year ago is now on life support.
So called teabagging Christians getting ready to take out people trying to get on the health insurance bus.
The insurers profit from the denial of claims. No?
This forced join and pay compliance/penalty/tangle with the IRS component is indeed the real political “playing with fire” item. It oddly is flying under the radar in WashingtonDC with this sham HCR/AHIP Subsidy Graft Payoff that Barack and his D Party are trying to sell and pass.
Barack Obama wants to increase the penalty for non-compliance?
Medicare For All was the near off the shelf ready way to go forward idea already well presold on the politics and known record. Most Americans have family members who have been on it or are on it. It is a known program and so much of the spade and hoe work was done a long time ago.
Obama was good at getting into the WH.He is not so good being in the WH.
The D’s seem afraid of doing the required hard politics having won big in the 2006 and 2008 election cycles. D Party leadership is not up to the task in Congress nor in the WH as 2009 readily revealed.
Ineffective and indecisive and indifferent do not make for good politics.
The D Party has power but refuses or fails to use it. The American economy and the dismal jobs outlook are not anything to be fooling around with.
American militarism is out of control and justice is not being done with the last regime’s war criminals and torturers.
Barack Obama appears to want to be a good Republican POTUS. This is not what the American people were voting yes for in November 2008.
Medicare For All is the populist program that needed to show up during this 2009-2010 WashingtonDC legislative season. Americans needed to see something good and useable show up in our lives and homes that would make a real difference in how our daily life play out. Especially now with this economy in retreat and the jobs drying up,going away or paying less and less.
Barack Obama seems clueless or far too indifferent. The D Party is too clueless and indifferent.
AHIP and PhRMA needed to get knocked around hard. Too bad Barack Obama and his D Party have misread this HCR moment so badly.He and they have earned what is coming to them in November 2010.
What may well come in 2012. Use the power given and use well or lose it.
Bingo
Dean wants the Obama Health Care Legislation to pass, altho, admittedly, there are portions of it he doesn’t like.
And the so called “non-profit” Blue Cross pays the same multi-million dollar salaries to it’s top execs and has been raising rates at the same rate as the “for profits.” Blue Cross has the same kind of monopolies in the states where they operate as well. All this talk about exchanges and state lines is crap. Without a government option modeled after medicare, we have no relief from the current extortion and denial of legitmate claims.
Democrats are able to be better corporatists than Republicans because it is the Democrats who are supposed to stop corporatist legislation. Just look at what happen when Bush tried to privatize Social Security (without a mandate, but instead just a private option), but since he was a Republican it didn’t happen. Now with Obama not only wont he allow a public option, he requires that people buy a product from private companies with the IRS working at taxpayers expense to be the muscle to get you to either buy the products or pay into the protection racket. Obama is making Bush look like a corporatist lightweight and because Obama is a Democrat he might be able to get away with this trillion dollar corporate welfare and middle class tax increase bill.
I sure hope that you are right about our ability to punish an remove the corporatists while replacing them with operationally vertebrate progressives, but I am concerned that unless major national political campaigns are publically financed (with no corporate funds permitted)and campaign seasons shortened to a few months, we won’t see the change you are advocating, or that change will be short-lived until the corporations flood a district with money and primary challengers. In some of the “red” states with sparse populations, corporate money becomes very important to both parties. Given the recent Supreme Court ruling in Citzens United, I just don’t see how we can sweep progressive candidates into office without requiring “single payer” public financing of federal elections and significant tweaks to the machinery of political campaigns.
Rahm is well established antigun advocate. Check out Wikipedia
Kill. The. Bill.
Yeah the Conrad-Hoyer “who goes first” standoff seems the most likely outcome at the moment.
If Pelosi gets her votes on ending the insurance company anti-trust exemption and kicks it to the Senate that could get interesting — I see that as the most likely path to something passing, but give it a likelihood of clearing the “60 vote” hurdle that Reid will no doubt impose at about 10%.
There to join the 247 bills the House has passed and the Snorefest has failed to act upon.
Exactly so.
Blue Cross is not non-profit anymore in a lot of states. Blue Cross of Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky, Connecticut, California and some other state are owned by Anthem, which privatized them, and was then bought out by Wellpoint–on whose board sits Mrs. Evan Bayh.
In other states, like NC, it is still non-profit but pay their executives consistent with private companies. In NC, the CEO makes $4 million in compensation. NC Blue Cross/Blue Shield wanted to convert to private but decided not to when the state of NC wanted payment of $400 million in back taxes for some of the breaks they got as a non-profit.
LOL. LOL a lot.
Nice imagery. Very apt, too.
Campaign funds go to persuading people to vote and persuading members of Congress to kowtow to the contributor.
If you can deliver 150,000 votes to a House candidate without them getting campaign funds from corporations you will like win the seat and the allegiance of the successful candidate. This puts more emphasis on ground game to end run the media war between candidates.
For Senators, see the last competitive race and adjust for the growth in registered voters. For long term Senate incumbents, and estimate is 150,000 * number of House seats. For North Carolina, that estimate is 1.9 million which is probably more than enough for victory even in a presidential year in which the opposing party is running strong.
So the technical problem is how to turn out that number of progressive voters (persuading other voters to vote for the progressive candidate) in the time between filing and election day.
You’ve been getting too much rightwing email. I can tell.
There is a quote (from whom I forget) that when Republicans are in power they lead in the wrong direction, and when Democrats are in power they can’t lead at all. What’s a poor voter to do?
I am really frustrated seeing the news stories which claim that once people know about individual key parts of the bill they support them (which, they then claim, means that those people support the bill). I have yet to see one of those also show the key part of the bill essentially removing a woman’s right to choose. I bet that’s really popular once that’s explained. Right. It’s intellectually dishonest. Of course, much of this whole “debate” is.
And as long as I’m venting, can I just say I’m astonished to find that we here are fringe-left? How can wanting everyone to have access to real, quality, affordable health care be fringe? It’s just moral, if nothing else.
go to http://www.savethepublicoption.com before the thing starts 25, FEB 2010, and do what you can. Even the states are in on the taxes they get from our premiums we pay to the Insurance Company’s. The Insurance Companies are the biggest institutional investors on Wall Street, we’re paying for their huge salaries, and their mistakes on our overweight backbones! ‘call Obombaton @ 1-202-456-1111 and let’em know voters are perturbed. We can change the tax structures etc… We are a force that cannot be bought off like like that 2004 election, or that Supreme Court fraud election of 2000.
Yep…one more thing…I heard him say it “wasn’t about (me)…it’s about you”. I thought he meant the voters; that’s who he was speaking to, I think…any democrat who really is a democrat would be willing to take the risk of losing the election in order to get something done. And if they can’t present “getting something done” in a positive light–using it to actually gain votes rather than losing them (something which would require not pulling a coakley, and actually wordsmithing the speeches and comments..reading Professor Lakeoff…homework, basically…and I guess this bunch isn’t willing to actually do the work). So I guess it IS about them instead of us. Anyway thanks Jane.
By the way my user name is the name of my favorite place, not the mormon heaven. Just so you know.
Hard to disagree with. I just want to add the point-while critisim is necessary to send a message (as well as to vent)–we still have to eat the bitter pill of electing democrats, and going out to raise consciousness and gaining democratic votes. It could be–and probably will be, to the republican’s delight–much worse. Imagine a world without National Parks, Veterans Administration, Social Security, and the biggest trade deficit ever…and Blackwater will run the wars…and there will be a lot. We all know the “theory of the office”–people with a vested interest in the outcome (like privatized prisons) promote supplyinjg their industry. We know have something like a balance of prisoners problem…we have lots more just to feed the system…if blackwater runs the war machine, well, just imagine. We’ll all be retired out in the woods…at least there won’t be any rangers left to keep us from shooting the elk and the deer to survive… . Think I’m wrong, if you live long enough you’ll see this happen if we allow republicans to run the world. Of course before this happens we’ll be shooting each other to protect our turf and then blackwater will move inand then come the detention camps. In other words–it’ll be downright medieval. Please don’t give up. Even if they deserve it.
My experience with people who work inside the political industry, both Democrat and Republican, is that there is one axiom most of them believe in and that is that you can’t separate money from politics. Indeed, I don’t think the vast majority of political insiders even desire to remove money from politics. Legislation is a commodity and very few people in power want that reality to change. They and their family members are paid handsomely to hide that reality as best they can. Crashing and burning in elections are just part of the game, but the foundation of the game (money) is not seriously a problem. “Reform legislation” is just another transaction to political power players. The public won’t punish them for this rotten system because there is no one the public can turn to to replace them with. The real power of the two main political parties of the country is in their ability groom candidates for office and run them. Until progressives have an effective mechanism to recruit and run candidates, I think the commodification of legislation will continue.
This official posting is a resounding argument for the public option. If Dems are scared about voting for an unpopular bill the solution is simple: change the bill so it is POPULAR. How does one do that? By adding the one element that consistently polls well, namely the public option.
This is such a no-brainer; I just don’t get why the congresscritters haven’t figured this one out.