The “60 vote” bar on the public option was always a sham. But now that it’s gone, nobody wants to be Joe Lieberman and play the role of spoiler so PhRMA can have their deal.
I’ve spoken to a lot of offices about this now, and all of them are ambivalent privately, even if they’re supportive publicly. No one feels able to say no to this letter, but none of them seem interested in reopening the wars over the public option. That’s why the White House kicked this at Reid and Reid tossed it back at the White House. If the public option is a done deal, everyone will sign on the dotted line. But between here and there is a lot of work that no one seems committed to doing, and that many fear will undermine the work being done on the rest of the bill.
I totally support the efforts of the PCCC, DFA, CREDO and MoveOn to force the issue on the public option. There is absolutely zero reason not to include it in a health care bill passed through reconciliation, and everyone in Congress needs to be reminded of that fact. The last of the rationalizations for ditching the public option have been peeled off the pundit apologists, who now stand naked and exposed atop their piles of selectively chosen factoids and statistics. (And therein lies the danger of laundering “tips” fed to you by “anonymous sources” who keep their hands clean while you affix your name — you ultimately have to own it.)
But the bottom line is that the health care bill that the White House drafted, the one they pushed through the Senate, the only one they ever wanted, is dead. There is not enough graft and payola in the world to get the Blue Dogs to line up for Martha Coakley duty. The only thing that MIGHT get their support is the cover of GOP votes, but there’s a lot more political hay to be made in GOP-leaning districts by opposing the wildly unpopular White House bill. Americans still want health care reform. They just don’t trust this bill, for good reason — and they’re not going to.
And what’s more, everyone knows it. Ezra says the White House is sticking to its guns, and a public option won’t be in the bill that they unveil on Monday. And that’s because there is no “Plan B.” There never was. Nobody thought it through. The administration is now consumed with the “blame game,” pointing fingers and fighting over who will walk the plank for the failure of “health insurance reform.”
Health care reform can still be achieved, but it’s going to have to be in a series of smaller steps that don’t involve sacrificing cost control to well-funded corporate lobbies trying to bribe their way into profitability. But it will be a while until everyone comes to grips with that fact.
In the mean time, as someone who watched health care reform step-by-step along the way, this is Rahm’s fuckup. He did this. And Obama deserves his share of the blame because he empowered Rahm. Any attempt to offload responsibility to Axelrod, Gibbs, or Jarrett is a ludicrous exercise in irrational denial.
Update: Jon Walker adds: “What a strange ‘Democracy’ we live in that an idea is too popular for any to stand against yet it might bring down the whole party and health care reform because many so deeply hate their supporters.”




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Thanks Jane. Was wondering whether to get my hopes up.
Thanks Jane. I really liked this part.
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Rahm did this with his “lessons learned” from the Clinton Administration. Too bad he learned the wrong lesson. What was the right one? “Keep It Simple Stupid?”
My new hope is that we have reached the point where key players in the progressive movement realize that there was too much reliance on the Dem Party and Obama in particular for achieving goals–and then see that operating independently, and without fear, of DC is the way forward. (And then maybe if labor could do that too, we’d really be in business)
By the way, I guess Jane and Eric Massa are right on the same page.
Yes. Rahm and his corporate cronies essentially demand to rid themselves of “this meddlesome public.”
Rahm truly is a legend in his own mind.
In a mere two months, comprehensive health care reform, including a public option, huge subsidies, major regulations, multiple tax hikes on the wealthy, and hundreds of billions of waste-cutting, will become the law. Besides an individual mandate, which will have exemptions, what’s so bad about that, Jane? Or, perhaps more to the point, what’s so bad about that, Jane’s audience?
One has to wonder about Obama’s judgment for him to stick with such a wrongheaded person such as Rahm. I agree that Obama owns this clusterfuck but again his judgment is questionable in that this issue [and some others he has caved on] could destroy his presidency. I do not believe that he desires to destroy his presidency, the reason I question his overall ability to exhibit decent judgment.
“Health care reform can still be achieved, but it’s going to have to be in a series of smaller steps that don’t involve sacrificing cost control to well-funded corporate lobbies trying to bribe their way into profitability. ”
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Betting line, anyone?
On both sides of the aisle. And the feeling is mutual-the voters hate the pols on both sides of the aisle. Postpartisanship in our time.
I will stay grounded.This latest PO role out seems like a “fake punt” to me.
Anyone see the connection with the DOJ’s OPR report.
Well….Govt,you really can’t trust ‘em folks.
Forget small steps just take the French or Japanese systems whole cloth and say this has worked better for cheaper than our current system for years. Why reinvent the wheel.
A small piece meal approach over time won’t give big benefits to voters.
Also forget getting GOP votes on smaller bills it won’t happen. Go Big and add it to the military budget call it war funding, National Healthcare would be useful if we get more terrorist Anthrax letters in the mail and as Jim notes the killer is still out there.
Once we call National Healthcare war funding its off budget. plus Vote against healthcare we bring the troops home either way we win.
President Obama I am available if you need help getting legislation passed:)
The HCR scam number one BENEFIT is that it help expose the Corporate Party of the USA, that has GOP members and Dem members. (all GOP senators are members of the USA Corporate Party)
The Corporate Party of the USA never wanted to be seen or heard.
Obama and Rahm have taken all the covers off the Great Corporate Party of the USA. (idiots do come in handy from time to time)
Moveon, PCCC, DFA,etc. now must force senators to vote up or down on the public option to help the american public see who loves them and see who hates them.
The Corporate Party has had the majority control of congress for years, the current Depression has ruin their ability to hide, because now politicians must do real political work, like help people find food, clothing, shelter, jobs, etc.
The Corporate Party leaders are probably not happy with Obama and Rahm.
The neverending astonishment of the current HCR mosh pit is that at the proximate end of all this, healthcare in the US will remain a luxury mostly mediated by a disgraceful hodgepodge of rent-seeking parasites.
And the whole of the “non-progressive” US political spectrum will screech themselves silly, railing against “Obamacare” and “socialized medicine”.
Repeating this because it perfectly encapsulates the thoughts shared by many of us Canucks.
Harry Reid still deserves to lose his Senatorship, if what eventually passes is a watered down version of our Universal Health Care … and it certainly seems so at this point.
Or, Jane, if you prefer not to discuss policy substance, can you explain your political predictions? Why would Blue Dogs who already voted for a liberal House bill with a public option prefer to say “I voted for the public option, before I voted against it” rather than standing up for something they already voted for and is popular with the country? Granted, this is the line that like you most in the media are peddling…but if you can back it up with some examples of Blue Dogs who have firmly declared their intention to flip-flop, I’ll be very impressed.
Seemed to me like the OPR Report and the Amerithrax case closure were scheduled for Tiger Woods Day in the midst of the Winter Olympics.
Ding, ding, ding. We have a Winner.
I now have 354 days to Medicare eligibility. Just stay healthy and uninjured…
Oh and Jane, I think Gandhi meant this for you …
First they ignore you,
then they ridicule you,
then they fight you,
then you win !
I want the GOP and the Blue Dogs to argue against putting National Healthcare off the books with the military budget during an election year.
I want them on tv saying 8 years of war with Iraq and Afghanistan is more important than Americans getting healthcare.
Public Option completely run by the Government is the only way this country can compete in the global marketplace, besides it is the only way we can stop 45K+ from dieing every year. We should be ashamed that we the People allow this to continue.
Jane thanks for all you do! You inspire and educate all of us. I love seeing you on TV you are Always right on top of everything.
Is that a sketch of Peter the Great up top?
A bit of humor regarding any attempted kabuki: “Bipartisan Brawlathon“
I think this is a strategic fuckup by Rahm trying to blame Obama’s 3 horse men of the empire. I think he is going to pay for this disloyalty, these guys are no easy mark like Greg Craig that Rahm can easily push out. He even admitted to running his own media machine, separate from the President’s, who the fuck voted him into office?
Remembering over the last year on this clusterfuck , Obama always tracks back to the line of small changes, Phama deal and only lip service to the PO. We can blame Rahm, and should—but Obama is the one driving his Presidency and the Nation into the ditch, and seems content to do so. His continual calling for bipartisanship in the face of blatant, uncaring obstructionism from the GOP should call for a psychiatric checkup, if nothing else.
I very much agree with Jane’s assertion:
After hearing Ezra Klein report the other night on MSNBC that there is still a total lack of leadership in the Democratic Party on health care reform, I wrote Public Option via Reconciliation: Sign the Bennet Letter.
I think everyone should take a moment to join the PCCC, DFA and Credo in signing: Click here to become a citizen signer of the Bennet letter for the public option.
And should go to Sen Bennet’s website to sign his letter there.
There’s no good reason not to sign it.
Having said that, Jane seems to be moving toward the position that Rep. Bill Pascrell (D-NJ) mentioned a little while ago. Am I reading this right? Is she saying that the best option now is a piecemeal approach?
Agreed Rahm’s days should be numbered.
“Am I reading this right? Is she saying that the best option now is a piecemeal approach?”
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It may be too late for that now. LBJ, recall, got his “Great Society” quietly, one bit of arm-twisted legislation at a time, below the radar.
Dunno, just dunno.
As I wrote in the comments section of Milbanks public BJ of Rahm Emanuel,
Rahm is the reason this lifelong Democrat has left the party.
I am exactly the type of Dem that Obama would be relying on…for activism, and being a footsoldier in helping turn out the vote. Now, I can hardly wait to see Rahm go down in flames. He has singlehandedly destroyed the party. And Obama needs to take the fall for enabling this…he apparently is no different.
What Emanuel and Obama are, essentially, are moderate Republicans. I will return to the Democratic Party if, and when, progressives can get the party back from Blue Cross Dem control.
Yes, Emanuel doesn’t want a public option, because then his health insurance, and big pharma, buddies wouldn’t be stuffing the coffers of the DNC to elect more Blue Crossers.
Rahm goes, or the Dems will be in the minority shortly. Which is shocking when one considers how nakedly amoral the GOP is these days.
It’s a 19th-century artist’s conception of Henry II. (Try W L Warren’s biography of him – it’s pretty good.)
GOP hates socialized medicine it takes away choice they say. Wrong as Michael Moore’s film “Sicko” showed it does not.
People live longer and pay less under National Healthcare. Obviously this Free Markets are Always more Efficient Crap is wrong.
Its the Banks who begged for a government bailout after all not the other way around. It was FDR who got us out of the Great Depression Not Herbert Hoover.
Does it really matter if you pay an insurance company or the government for healthcare or is whats important the price and what you get for your money?
Interesting:
I wish the Dems would/could find a way to force it through. That act would be something that a majority of voters would never forget or forgive, and would pretty much mean the end of the Democrat Party. As it is, Democrats are already in big trouble for exposing their health care ideas to the American public…make that a growing American public.
Yea, forget the economy and jobs, and just force Big Govt health care upon Americans before Medicare premiums jump another 14.2% (or higher)…
I Second your comment.
Thanks Jane for all you do and it is from the heart when I say those words.
We need HCR and I really believe that as Jeb B. (I intensely dislike referencing him), this November COULD be a Tsunami of losses for the Democrats.
They have to find some backbone and get this passed through Reconciliation and the h*^% with trying to be “bi-partisan.”
What is so bad? WE WANT MORE! WE demand a vote for a public option and why are you not demanding a vote. An up or down vote for Single Payer is not permitted by Rahm and the corporations
Of course not much is worse than a “mandate”, but “individual mandate” is much worse. We, speaking for myself, have lost confidence because our political leadership are a bunch of corporate shills. That Phony Gruber was another corporate shill selling us corporate snake oil. Obama himself may support Single Payer, but if not, he should just get out of the way. Obama does not fight for us supporters of universal health care.
Dang Peter was one for doing big things no matter who said no created the Russian Navy when Russia had almost no sailors. Built a new Capital Petersburg in a swamp while fighting a war against a better trained army, a war he would win by the way.
Fought off a rebellion by people who did not like all the change he was doing. He never said its politically impossible it can’t be done like Rahm brags about doing.
Its because of this that Peter is Great…. and Rahm is a Legend in his own mind.
So you are saying Blue Dogs will vote for it after they get mean letters from dittoheads in their districts? It’s a sunk cost at this point, but it doesn’t matter. They will do whatever David Broder thinks is right. But I suppose that would become Jane’s fault, like everything else.
Oh, and there’s a dude named Stupak, who has said he could not care less if HCR dies and is not going to vote for the senate bill.
We should do a whip count of his posse. anti-choice dems who voted yes?
It’s pretty much a given that the Dems will lose control of both Houses of Congress at the rate they’re going and Obama will be a one-termer. We have waited and waited to be tossed a few crumbs. I’m tired of waiting. I want my fucking health care like I was promised. No excuses. No fucking series of small steps; many of us aren’t getting any younger and could very well be included in the 45,000.
The first fucking request for money I get from Obama for 2012 will be returned with a heart felt “fuck you” scrawled across the top.
the Senate Baucus plan that the administration appears to favor is the most corporate warm consumer cold plan that would actually put a brake on costs. It promises more customers at lower rates, thus insurance companies make up the money in volume. by lowering the per person cost of health care it would go a long way to shoring up Medicare.
The Baucus plan (or any universal mandate no public option plan) is simply a back door tax on a large part of the upper working to middle class; mostly skilled younger workers who dont vote much – and worse it creates a hybrid unregulated corporate/govt alliance.
At heart the mandate/no option plan the Administration favors is deeply cynical, plainly stating the corporate stranglehold is not going to go away so we’d better get used to it; like that horrible line ‘lay back and think of England.’
There was an L.A. Times article the other day on the health insurors’ push to get themselves reclassified as “financial services firms.”
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Money, money, money. It ain’t about health care.
I wonder if we compare the facts on National Healthcare to the Public Option what would be the result:)
I’m thinking the MSM and Washington are really out of touch with the voters.
Henry II
“What sluggards, what cowards have I brought up in my court, who care nothing for their allegiance to their lord. Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest.”
and then Thomas Becket was murdered
I’ve been thinking for a while now that a comprehensive approach to reform hasn’t been working and/or won’t work.
But it’s not just the White House and, more specifically, Rahm’s fuckup (as Jane so perfectly put it) that’s to blame. It’s also Reid. Doesn’t it seem like Bennet is doing the job of Senate Majority Leader? He and a handful of Senators appear to be doing Reid’s job by trying to get their colleagues to support a public option via reconciliation (assuming, of course, that they’re not just playing a part in a kabuki). Reid’s spokesperson says that he’ll do it if the votes materialize for doing it. Really? I thought Reid was Majority Leader. Where’s the leadership, Harry?
I strongly urge everyone to sign here and here.
It’s not interesting. The exact same thing happened to ClintonCare. There were polls/focus groups about it athe time.
Clinton also made deals with stakeholders, and some R’s (who all stabbed him in the back).
The brilliant strategists at the WH made all the same mistakes again.
This would be a disaster the next time WallStreet crashes their goes everyone’s healthcare. Politically in order to save healthcare politicians would be forced to bailout the insurance companies.
To use an analogy from The Godfather, Rahm is Luca Brasi to Obama’s Vito Corleone – he makes Obama’s problems go away.
My concern over “public option” remains (link in my name). It reeks of both [1] corporate welfare and [2] actual (means-tested) intermediation “welfare,” while leaving the for-profit actuarial model largely in place, with a speculative hope that people voting with their wallets will provide a brake on costs.
I am dubious.
There will be a vote on public option, and it will win. There won’t be a vote on single payer, and that’s a good thing, because it wouldn’t even come close to winning (and I’m to the left of single payer.) I don’t like the mandate’s structure, but it is fair that they do something to push young and healthy people into the system.
And Henry had to do penance for instigating it. (Although being married to Eleanor and having at least two backstabbing sons (Richard I and John) would also figure as some kind of punishment.)
But, but, but… as my bosses at the bank used to exult, “The Best Things in Life are FEE!”
Perhaps we can figure out a specific opt-out provision for people who like the current system. Of course, once you get sick and are dumped by the insurance company you respected and paid, you will not be eligible for any public assistance, and your medical debt will not be dischargeable in bankruptcy. It’ll be just like your student loans.
I think the Dems need the St Crispen days speech
http://www.chronique.com/Library/Knights/crispen.htm
Or maybe Henry the 5 Once more into the Breech does remind me of T-Rex’s ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK!
http://www.online-literature.com/shakespeare/henryV/11/
“something to push young and healthy people into the system.”
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And to a large extent it’ll be corporate welfare, as currently proffered.
My prediction:
Harry Reid will rid us of the “meddlesome” public option. It will be the Senate bill, without the “horrors” of reconciliation, because the Stupak language will end up in the Senate bill, and that will be the only change.
Thats why I’m for National Healthcare.
LOL
Today’s LA Times points out that the deciding vote by a CA regulatory agency, against providing large-type/translated labels on drugs, was cast by a CVS executive. (I don’t like CVS, but there isn’t a lot of choice: RiteAid is worse, and Walgreen’s is scarce, at least in my neighborhood. And usually on the wrong side of the intersection to get into it easily.)
Good Thing. That is ridiculous. It is criminal that Rahm Emanuel and Barack Obama will not allow a vote on Single Payer. Good Thing. NEVER! Are you and they totally out of touch with the reality of people suffering?
Me too.
I think you are right!
I’m saying if a Blue Dog voted for it once, they’re even more likely to do so on final passage. Regarding people blaming Jane, I wish she would defend her assertions, because this is the kind of thing people are saying:
Not at all.
“because many so deeply hate their supporters”
The voters are necessary to get elected and must be told what they must. The money for the election comes from elsewhere. Our represenataives ae beholden to the money, and the lies start when the needs of the money differs from the needs of the voters.
Ah, now don’t be talking bad about Eleanor!
It didn’t take Katharine Hepburn for me to love her.
Luca Brasi ended up sleeping with the fishes.
Let’s hope your analogy holds up politically. If we must lose real health care reform, at least we should also see the door hitting Rahm’s ass on his way out.
I am so sick of this nonsense.
There is absolutely no reason to ask for a “public option.” We are not legislators and cannot be concerned with the intimate details of compromise. If a public option is being considered, asking for Medicare for All will help it (or an equally good alternative like a substantial Medicare buy-in) pass more than even asking directly for a public option would. And either way, only Medicare for All can build a mass movement.
Hamsher as usual is towing the line of elitist political organizations that are well-connected with the Democratic establishment. If you want to get behind real reform and quit being somebody’s waiter, say adiós to MoveOn and DFA and get behind Healthcare-NOW and PDA.
Wait I got the perfect Shakespeare quote for us Cry Havoc and let loose the Blogs…of Peace
Why would anyone do that? Well, maybe Jarrett, because I don’t know who Jarrett is offhand. Gibbs is the messenger, and Axelrod helps craft the message. I’m sure they have influence, but I doubt they have as much, effectively, as the WH CoS has.
It’s really hard to tell when Milbank is serious and when he’s kidding.
And BTW, Mike Bennet is no progressive. This whole letter thing is a scam.
Bennet must have the full blessing of Obama and Rham, as pretty much immediately after the release of this letter, lo and behold Obama is in Denver Thursday night for a fundraiser for Bennet at the Fillmore – mere blocks froim my house.
Bennet needed this, because Andy Romanoff is primarying him.
This letter is a throwaway gambit, you wait and see.
I’ll put money that I’m suffering more under the current system than you. I’ve recently had health problems that I’ve received sporadic care for at a free clinic and an ER, and I can confirm the system sucks. A symbolic vote in which single payer gets trounced is not going to make me or anyone else any healthier.
Wouldn’t be shocked to find out that’s true. It strikes me as being rather like Sen. Leahy’s threat to filibuster FISA reform – he could count the votes, and should have realized there weren’t enough to deny cloture.
That’s not to say it isn’t worth pursuing, but I’ve always had my doubts about this thing, and you’ve provided a possible reason.
The administration is now consumed with the “blame game,” pointing fingers and fighting over who will walk the plank for the failure of “health insurance reform.”
This had to be Bo the Dog’s fault. Bad Bo, bad dog.
It may be kabuki, but I still signed here and here. Everyone should sign.
The fact is that their efforts to say they want real hcr and to not get it, too, has backfired on them. For every Bennet this dance helps, how many Dems is it hurting going into Nov?
The result has been to make the Democratic Party look weak and ineffective at best.
But once Dems have taken their hits for their failures and are out of power, the trick for progressive leaders like Jane is going to be to get progressive activists like us to focus on cleaning house on the left rather than taking easy shots at Republicans.
Luca’s fate wasn’t Vito’s call. Unless the DoJ starts an investigation, which I’d judge to be unlikely, Rahm’s fate is in Obama’s hands.
Neither is the Obama Insurance Company Giveaway, you’ll just pay more for less.
No public option, no mandate. November.
I think reminding us how it turned out the last time would be enough. Memories aren’t that short here, are they?
Primary the punk Obama.
OT but tangential– “What Are We Bid for American Justice?” (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-moyers/what-are-we-bid-for-ameri_b_469335.html) is an excellent article by Bill Moyers yesterday.
Here’s the nut of it:
In the words of Charles W. Hall, a spokesman for the non-partisan, judicial watchdog group Justice at Stake, “Corporate bottom lines are not affected by whether a bank robber gets 10 or 20 years in prison. The bottom lines are affected however by whether a large scale lawsuit is upheld or overturned.” ‘
My thoughts: 1) More and better disbarments, 2) What does “jointly and severally liable” mean to you?
DSCC Chair Menendez Signs Public Option Letter
Another prominent member of Senate Democratic leadership has now endorsed an idea to pass a public option for insurance coverage using reconciliation.
Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee Chairman Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) became the 20th Senator to sign a letter to Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) urging the Nevada Democrat to put a government run insurance option through the parliamentary process that would allow it an up-or-down vote.
Menendez’s office confirmed his signing of the letter to the Huffington Post on Saturday afternoon.
I’m going to go out on a limb and make the big and probably unjustified assumption that Rahm Emanuel isn’t just an asshole but genuinely believes in what he’s trying to do. If we take that leap of faith (you don’t have to), what then could explain this ridiculous stance he’s taken?
We hear over and over again, “we would have killed for this if we could have gotten it in 1994″ or words to that effect.
But it isn’t 1994! The system has fallen apart much more now than it was in 1994. The public option WAS dead this year until events like the Anthem increase resurrected it. If Rahm isn’t just an asshole, he’s at best severely misunderstanding the situation we’re in now. The solutions that might have worked in 94 are inadequate in 2010. The economy is in a LOT worse shape than it was then. More drastic action is called for, possibly even more drastic than the public option.
I don’t know what is going to happen. I’m not going to go protest in the streets if the Obama-Emanuel bill is passed. It’s probably better than nothing. Maybe Jane’s right, and that baby is DOA. That’s up for each Congressperson to decide, given the lack of leadership from the White House. Or maybe we’ll get a public option in spite of it all because nothing else makes any sense at this point.
What it all boils down to is that Obama has made himself irrelevant. I’m not going to howl about how he’s betrayed us. I was never that into him in the first place. We need to go on fighting for what we need regardless of what Obama says. To some extent, that’s what’s happening now. If he wants to put himself in the front of it, fine. If not, he’s going to be steamrolled.
Didn’t Vito order Luca to pretend he wanted to go to the other side, which ended in Luca’s untimely demise? Obama should send Rahm to a meeting with lobbyists, [Edited by Moderator. We don't go there even as a joke].
Great news. Hoping this isn’t kabuki. Everyone should sign it.
Citizen Jane, thank you very much for all that you are trying to do i.e. ensure accountability and fighting for reforms.
After the dust settles I dont expect any of the five cost-controls measures listed in the decreasing order of potency to be present in the final bill.
1. Public Option
2. Anti-trust exemption removal for Medical Insurance.
3. National Insurance exchange open to all companies with heavy regulation.
4. Progressive taxation with medicare tax hike which has no income limits.
5. Medical prescription drug re-importation from first-world & developed countries.
My only concern is will there be an Individual Mandate still present in some form. In my opinion this is the only thing Medical Insurance industry wants. As long this is not present we are okay and we will get another chance to have a better medical reform bill in future probably with a different senate.
If any bill passes without cost-control measures and only with indvidual mandate we will never get another chance for medical reform until either the whole economy collapses which I truly hope should not happen or we get an extremely egalitarian congress which is very unlikely.
They’re a good example of a dysfunctional family.
Huh?
That’s not making any sense.
The enemy is corporate money and power. Overriding strategy must be to neutralize corporate advantage, while democracy still exists. For instance, some corporations may be allies in this endeavor, recognising rightly that loss of democracy will adversely affect them much more than the advantages congress and the sc have given them.
If you’re interested, there’s a great book Eleanor and the Four Kings about Eleanor and her marriages to Philip of France, Henry and as the mother of Richard and John.
Book Salon up at the Mothership with Rich Benjamin’s Searching for Whitopia: An Improbable Journey to the Heart of White America hosted by Rayne
A good summary of politics in the 21st Century.
FTFY
“yet it might bring down the whole party and health care reform because many so deeply hate their supporters.” What a statement for the phony party calling itself Democratic. I can’t even stomach the thought of voting for this bunch anymore.
Jane:
I’m with you on this one but it seems the ‘average’ democrat in the Senate isn’t. I heard Ezra Klein say last evening that privately that behind the scenes, Democratic Senators were ‘terrified’ of this movement. That’s just more evidence that these are the most gutless bunch of cry babies we’ve seen in public, from either party, in a long time. I’ve heard of whining but this is over the line.
I hope sincerely they get their collective asses handed to them in the next election. Have fun at home morons and here’s hoping your pumpkin pie has nails in it.
It is interesting that some of the Dems are raising the stakes right now. It seems that one of three things is going on.
1) This allows Rambama to go into the Kabuki with the Rethugs saying, deal with me or deal with them in reconciliation hoping they really are afraid of being (apparently) shutout of a bill that finally passes.
2) There is a real split going on within the party with some Senators realizing that if they don’t get the PO they are toast while others are staying bought.
3) Some of the Dems realize this is a really cynical chance to wring more money out of the suckers who really think they care.
Of course, this could be all three.
The Dems didn’t learn the lesson of ’94 but neither did they learn the lesson of ’88. They are so fucking dumb and like most dumb things in a trying environment, they are heading towards extinction.
I have not read any of the above comments, because I just walked in and I have to walk right back out again, but my guess is that the administration will claim they have to be ‘bipartisian’ to bring repubs on board, in the name of democracy, and therefore have to take the PO out. I probably have no clue what I’m talking about. So bring it.
I do sympathize with anyone who gets ripped off and given substandard health care. You need to fight more. Do not defend these people who want a corporate compromise. You will lose that battle. It is clear the Corporatists will lie, cheat, steal, for more corporate medicine and stop as many modern treatments as they can. They want us to stay sick, so they can milk us dry.
Sure it makes sense. Hamsher continues to push this nonsense along with her friends in these well-connected organizations. Go ahead and keep doing it. The working class will ignore it because they know it is mainly a pretentious scam that for most people will result in zero help.
It is sickening to watch the health care endgame unfold. It is particularly disgusting to see a handful of senators at the 23rd hour suck up to the public with a letter they know will go nowhere.
There are all a bunch of cynical opportunists who would do anything to appear virtuous as they stab us all in the back.
Throw them all out.
Black humour casting a bit of perspective and light on the topic (just substitute “health care” for “death”):
“Eddie Izzard — Cake or Death?“
thanks. i signed this one and several others.
What does an American have to do to see some Wall Street crooks arrested? To see some corrupt WashingtonDC lawyers arrested for advocating torture? To get something right and good done despite a for sale and bought and sold Obama WH,AHIP and PhRMA effort to thwart what is right and good?
These scoundrels want to blame the R Party but it is the D Party that will not do the right and good thing here. Since a year ago much political effort,energy and electoral misdirection has been posed and postured over to do the wrong thing. The inadequate thing. The thing made complicated to avoid that which could be done easy. It smells more like Tammany Hall and it looks more like a graft and dollar dominated process determined to fulfil the worst money politics can do to bring about sham driven policy and sabotaged reform.
Thanks FDL for pushing back when going with was much easier.
That was the genius of Tammany Hall. And the core corruption this Obama WH,the D Party,AHIP,PhRMA and allied interests are guilty of here with this sham HCR. Which has always been more about doing what is easy and not about doing what is right. The D Party owns this. Barack Obama owns this.
Interesting that all of a sudden, being an instant populist hero and all (I’m sure you’ve seen the blog ads), ‘Michael’ Bennet is now ‘Mike.’ I first met him when he became Denver Mayor Hickenlooper’s Chief of Staff, and no one would have dared to call him ‘Mike.’ It was always ‘Michael’, as befit a former Anschutz lieutenant and upper-class prepster. He always seemed very smart, but was certainly never a ‘Mike.’
I suspect you may be correct. I suspected that the Bennet letter was a ploy all along to keep him from being primaried. If so, it will come back to haunt the Democratic Party. People are getting tired of the kabuki and beginning to see right through it.
How about the $10 billion for community health centers that Bernie Sanders got? On top of everything else? That’s not good? Good enough, maybe not. But good, you can’t argue with that.
How would a meeting with lobbyists be sending Rahn to the other side? We should wish that Rahm would go to a meeting with uninsured, sick Americans. (Whoops, did I violate the moderator’s injunction?)
Neither is Romanoff — who back in 2006 was the new darling boy of the DLC — I presume in his case he unfortunately backed the wrong presidential candidate when it mattered?
http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2006/07/names_and_faces.php
Ding ding ding! You got it. #1 and #2. Not #3. #2 is true, but don’t discount the reality of #1:
This rapid momentum for the Public Option culminating in Reid’s move yesterday, which he made at the same time as he was hanging with the Pres, was not some accident in timing. Ezra’s just got the story wrong, he’s not as well-informed by staff hacks as he thinks he is. This is high stakes hardball, people. This is a good cop/bad cop routine.
Obama will be the Good Cop next Thursday. The Republicans will talk a lot about malpractice reform. After a while, Obama will offer some number like $15 billion in malpractice reform!!! They’ll talk about selling across state lines. Obama will say let me tell you all about my national exchange! Now, will you sign on to my plan? Then every Republican including Snowe, etc., will tell the Good Cop to go fuck himself.
Then they meet the Bad Cop, Harry Reid, who jams the public option down their throats via reconciliation. Then dude might even win re-election.
“Forget small steps just take the French or Japanese systems whole cloth and say this has worked better for cheaper than our current system for years. Why reinvent the wheel…A small piece meal approach over time won’t give big benefits to voters…Go Big”
I have to agree. I don’t think that the problem with HCR in the last year was too much ambition for too much reform in too comprehensive a package–quite the contrary. The problem was small-minded half-measures half-heartedly proposed in parallel. Every potential improvement was thus easily bled off during endless, stage-managed public “negotiations” and ardent, behind-the-scenes courting of lobbyists.
My fear is that the multiple, small-bills approach is likely to magnify the opportunities for and the costs of lobbyist influence while minimizing the individual politician’s exposure to broad public anger. Everything can be bled to death again, piecemeal. But nobody will feel that he has to take the hit for being the Guy Who is Against Health by doing so. They can divide up the bills between them so that every reform dies and every Representative and Senator can claim to have backed at least one of them.
This is, moreover, a critical moment. The defendants of business-as-usual are in some disarray at present. The carefully scripted “legislative process” leading to the Seante bill has blown up in the faces of the participants. The sure thing they had just weeks ago is now a stone cold dead letter. The promised political cover has turned out to be anything but. The electorate–left and right–isn’t celebrating bipartisan compromise. Instead it expressing a shared, non-partisan rage at all political and economic “leadership”.
At this critical juncture, what does the political establishment have left in its bag of tricks? Things weren’t supposed to get to this point, so the answer is: not much. The whole art-of-the-possible story concocted by industry in collusion with the White-House and Congress is now looking pretty shabby and tattered. It won’t stretch through another year, particularly an election year. Attempts to co-opt the public anger have been laughably inept, from the attacks on the Left for losing governorships and Senate seats to Hatch’s anger at the Tea Baggers for refusing to stick to their pro-Supreme-Court, pro-Wall-Street, Party-supplied scripts.
Given the criticality of the moment and the disarray among the usual suspects, it makes more sense to escalate than to retreat or compromise. We need to hit Washington establishment while its members are wavering. We need to answer the Democratic Party’s damp powder with a healthcare Nuclear Option: a full-on, single-payer healthcare plan taken up in its entirety from a proven, working system, my preference being France’s.
By doing so, we make the political establishment fight over the same ground again, using the same wornout weapons that failed before. So make it go back to AHIP and PhRMA for still more money, just when the latter have never spent more and gotten less for it. And make the individual politicians do it in an election year, when they have no time to concoct convincing new material before the primary and caucus season.
We may not succeed. But, in the foreseeable future, we will not face a Congress that is more susceptible to public pressure than it is at the moment. If we can press resolutely for the real solution that we wanted all along, I think that there is a fair chance of mobilizing the discontent in this country. But if we don’t, if we try break a discredited effort down into more manageable but no less discredited pieces, I fear that we will, at best, justly share the blame for inevitable failure and, at worst, permanently discredit healthcare reform itself.
If you can’t answer that question yourself, you haven’t been doing your reding. You’ve been answered many, many times, and yet you keep showing up, asking the same stupid question.
Pardon my tone, I’m cranky today. But you’ve earned it.
TCU – ummm, odd comparison; Peter The Great was Tsar of Russia in a time when the Tsars truly were autocrats. That is, they really did have pretty much absolute power. The opposite not only of democracy, but even of the kind of “democratic” gridlock we currently have. Not much similarity.
No, Romanov isn’t. But he is saying the right things now. And more importantly, he is not the appointed successor of unspeakable Ken “Nightcrawler” Salazar, hand-picked by state machine that gave us Betsy Markey and annointed by Rahm-Obama.
Bennet is whatever the Party leadership thinks will be popular. At the moment, he is a Reborn supporter of the “public option,” which is better than nothing, I suppose. But his version of the public option might not be much more, and he has only come out in favor now that he–and it–are too little and too late. Bennet is, moreover, a self-proclaimed deficit hawk, a position which is so monumentally stupid, ignorant, and wrong that, on its own, it should perhaps disqualify him from holding public office.
I could vote for Romanov, if only because he is the de facto outsider. But I’ll have a hard time voting for a closet Blue Dog like Bennet no matter who his opponent is. Bennet has the wrong allegiances. He has been in office at a crucial moment in history and has been weighed in the balance and found wanting.
Romanoff an ardent champion of AIPAC initatives* in the CO legislature and an avowed DLC’er [albeit on Hillary’s side), and you actually believe what the guy is telling you?
To me, policy-wise there doesn’t seem much different between the two of them — Romanoff obviously being in the CO political tank who would predictably morph into the neolib war-mongering blue dog as ordained by the party apparatus. Different CO billionaire funding streams is all** Still seems to me it all came down to personalities and who was on the side of the heir apparent.
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(nb: definitely not an ‘outsider’)
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http://www.cobizmag.com/articles/colorados-most-powerful-people/
This is the second time Rahm has been involved in a failed health care reform effort, makes you wonder if he isnt intentionally sabotaging the effort from the inside. Hmmm.
No, still nonsense.
WTF are you here, anyway?
As far as I’m concerned, there’s really not a nickel’s worth of difference between Rahm Emanuel and Karl Rove. Neither one gives two shites about the “general welfare” of the American people or the principles of good governance – they’re only interest is in WINNING no matter the cost.
Frankly, all my “hope” for “change” evaporated the day Obama announced Rahm would serve as COS.
He does not have the endorsement. Supporting him sends a message to those that do. No more, no less.
No don’t blame any of your favorite toadies, Ax, Gibbs or Jarret. They have all played a role in trying to scuttle the public option while having Obama “prefer it”. They all were aware of the WH strategy of letting the House and Kennedy’s committies work on Progressive bills knowing all along that they were going to have Mad Max of finance delay until it was too late and then come up with the Obama bill. That is the current bill passed by the Senate with a few modifications. Pharma deal for 2012 intact. No Public Option and screwing the Unions rather than the elite. They are all not fighting for the public option to be added to the sidecar reconcilliation package. It is not just Rahm. You have to get it through your head, that as a Progressive, this administration “is just not that into you”.
“As far as I’m concerned, there’s really not a nickel’s worth of difference between Rahm Emanuel and Karl Rove. ”
To be fair, there is probably rather more than a nickel’s difference, at least for the time being–Rahm hasn’t been as close to real power for as long, so he has presumably had less access to the nickels, dimes, C-notes, etc. that go with the territory. But he’s probably closing fast, if his work with PhRMA is any indication. So I guess I concede your point.
There is no reason in the world that the Public Option health insurance could not be passed, under Recon. as a separate bill. In fact, as Howard Dean has repeatedly stated and I believe, the Public Option is the healthcare reform. The senate bill should die. It’s garbage. They are already going to regulate the insurance monopoly seperately. A few other measures from the bill could also be brought up as separate measures (and who cares if some of them fail). Make HCR the inverse of what it is now, establish a plan that has no preexisting conditio, no 39% rate hikes, no benefit max, no ‘donut hole’ and the insurance industry will reform all by itself- by nature of having real competition.
I hate John Demint. But the asshole is right, this is Waterloo, this thing. Even if it wasn’t, it will become that way because Obama and his buddies will allow the opposition to have the airwaves and call the shots and tell the public it is so, and without a hint of direction from this Limp Biz-kit of a Whitehouse, they’ll believe it. I also hate Scott Brown. He has now taken off the mask and took the side of a terrorist who used Al-Qaeda methods to attack and kill Americans because he hated ‘taxes’. But these are the kind of people who will be running the show by 2013, better get on board and learn to like ‘em…
Thanks Jane.
It’s 3 freshmen Dems who restarted the public option. Hope they do it fast. Reid said 2 months but anything can happen in such a long time.
I was wondering why Obama is pushing for the bipartisan summit, to kill the public option push.
Hoping against hope that somehow this push will be real.
Obama will probably be deceived into bipartisanship as this is the GOP plan. Gingrich is sick.
“Gingrich: GOP Should Be Bipartisan “Until We Finish Defeating The Left”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/20/gingrich-gop-should-be-bi_n_470245.html
If you support the public option, you should still support Bennet. At least it sends a message to Congress that that is what people want.
If this is just kabuki, it’ll hurt the Corporate Democrats down the road as people won’t forget about it. Either way, supporting Bennet is still a good idea.
Dear Ms. Hamsher,
Let’s FAST FORWARD things. Use your Web site and wide exposure to publicly call for all Progressives to leave the Corporate Party (as referred to by an earlier contributor). You will receive your 15 Years(?) of fame and we will be moving things in the inevitable, natural direction anyway, a two party system, the Progressives and the Corporist’s. My money is on the Progressives winning in the end.
I was at an organizing house party today for a U.S. Senate seat (D) primary election coming up, those fools I was with have fallen hook-line-and-sinker for the Democratic Party scare tactic of, “oh, we have to be careful we don’t split the Democratic Party, the Republicans might get the seats”
Public option is not only for cost-control but also it establishes a base-line without need of any regulation requirements. For eg. if public option supports pre-existing condition exclusion even without any specific law all the other insurance companies need to match it to be in business. It also gives a true cost basis for congress so that all of the tax benefits they could be getting now now won’t be available since congress won’t be in a position to justify them. For consumers if the premiums are increased the insurance companies need to show the extra benefits they will be getting and so in this scenario insurance companies need to do extra legwork that is to make the medical sector more efficient to increase their margins which is totally avoidable work for them. I think that’s why insurance companies don’t want to put in public option because this is too good and too effective.
But the sad thing is since the administration is pushing for a global economy rest of the economy and consumers are getting dragged down by rising medical costs which rest of the world is not experiencing and we are becoming uncompetative.
As long as there is no mandate in any bill without public option we will get a chance in the future since the premiums have increased so much now that a large population cannot afford it and the medical sector is under-utilized. If they increase a little bit more they might go past afforadability of shrinking middle class we have now left with and only be left with top 10 to 20 percent of the population covered. Mandate without public option will simply postpone the problem for couple of decades and cause more avoidable hardships to the middle class. Eventually they have to come to the table so that a fair and resonable bill with cost-controls can be passed by senate and congress or due to clamour of 70 to 80 percent of the population congress will simply pass a single payer bill.
that’s the opposite of how insurance companies compete in the real world — where they do not compete over customers with pre-existing conditions. they compete on cost by denying care and by competing for healthy customers. private health insurance companies would be quite happy to get to dump unhealthy expensive customers on to a po and keep the healthy population for their own business.
that is why strong regulation and enforcement is needed, especially for risk adjustment, or a small po, especially one not prepopulated with a large base of customers, will not be viable.
if congress, including the house, was really interested in a po that would work, they would go with something like stark’s hr 193. otherwise what matters far more than a po is the regulation to change the competition incentives.
The election of Scott Brown was the best thing for health care. It killed Rahm and Obama’s POS health care bill. Rahm and Obama’s bill is actually postpartisan in that Democrats, Republicans, and independents HATE it. They hate it for different reasons, but they all agree it’s a bad bill. For me, the tax on unions was the last straw (no doubt pushed by Rahm, who wanted to repeat his “alienate the unions in November” strategy that worked so gloriously with NAFTA in 1994).
Now that Obama has been forced to use reconciliation, they will have a harder time NOT passing something significant. They have no excuses now.
Actually, Rove is the better of the political operatives in terms of winning electoral cycles. Rove and his GOP gained seats in 2002 and 2004, and he got Bush re-elected (though not by much). Bush/Rove also got a lot of stuff passed.
Rahm has never won any election cycles (it was Dean who invented the 50 state strategy, which Rahm was against). He has a massively overinflated reputation.
All this fervent support of the PO — but, darned if I know what it is! I simply can’t excited about any of the possibiities for PO that I’ve read about. Too weak, covers too few, takes too long to set up. And different people seem to think it does different things.
What’s wrong, oh Dems, with Medicare for All? With a “robust private option”?
But, by Monday, the WH will have put out something which at least Obama is supposed to be standing behind…or maybe not. Hard to tell with him.
Darned if I know what he stands FOR. I sure know he stands against single payer. Off the table, he said from the gitgo. He seems to stand for protecting the profitability of Big Health Isurance Parasites.
Sheesh.
Wall Street’s Obama Investment
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-bromwich/wall-streets-obama-invest_b_470234.html
I think you are right and totally agree that PO with heavy duty regulation is the answer. My comment was based more on common-sense than facts and is as follows: Most of us get chronically sick around 65 plus years which federal govt. takes care of through medi-care. The percentage of us getting sick is quite low in younger years maybe once in a year doctor visit for fever etc, check-ups if necessary and vaccine shots. People with pre-existing conditions could be quite low as a percentage of the whole younger population and Insurance companies are just plain greedy to get few extra bucks by dropping them from coverage even though it might not affect their bottomline. Simply offering PO will make facts come to the fore and ground conditions a lot clear to the federal govt which already holds the true and real medical costs through medicare. But still PO with regulation is the best cost-conrol solution to the whole issue if we cannot have simple single payer solution.
Agreed 100%
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My new hope.. realize that … too much reliance on the Dem Party and Obama … and then see that operating independently, and without fear, of DC is the way forward.
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With the internet it is very easy to create virtual party platforms,
SEE: Modern U.S. Attempts @ Party Platforms
https://sites.google.com/site/usvotersite/Home#platforms
However; the Senate National Committee might stop funding such candidates.
SEE: Our National Committees: Ever wonder what they do?
https://sites.google.com/site/usvotersite/Home/our-national-committees-ever-wonder-what-they-do-
…continuing on from your discussion link:
There’s an interesting comment over @ tpm showing exactly what they do — e.g. the DNC corrupting and manipulating future party political discourse, as well as polling and manufacturing its very own propaganda:
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/02/21/future_shock_did_rahm_emanuel_create_the_tea_parti/index.php#comment-3802114
Just who is Rahm working for? Certainly not the American people. Keep hearing 60-75% of the American people support the public option. They keep trying to spin this majority as the “left”
Jane Hamsher “Health care reform can still be achieved, but it’s going to have to be in a series of smaller steps that don’t involve sacrificing cost control to well-funded corporate lobbies trying to bribe their way into profitability. But it will be a while until everyone comes to grips with that fact. ”
that is the same message that Former President Clinton, Senator Harkin and others have been saying for quite some time
cut your unblical cords to the machinery,
start practicing real alternatives.
stop buying corporate products of all kinds, and
start growing your own food.
stop expecting the capitalist pigs to act humane, and
start building a non-profit public-interest-minded everything,
from banking to education,
from health care to agriculture.
stop doing the same thing and expecting different results, for gawd’s sake.
Who will rid us of this troublesome public option?
Why, Obama can! Has been doing and has underlined his oppostition with the presentation of his very own PLAN.