Steve Clemons points to the Edward Luce article in the FT and sums it up thusly: “Core Chicago Team Sinking Obama Presidency.”
In the article, Luce notes:
In addition to hurling frequent profanities at people within the administration, Mr Emanuel has alienated many of Mr Obama’s closest outside supporters. At a meeting of Democratic groups last August, Mr Emanuel described liberals as “f***ing retards” after one suggested they mobilise resources on healthcare reform.
“We are treated as though we are children,” says the head of a large organisation that raised millions of dollars for Mr Obama’s campaign. “Our advice is never sought. We are only told: ‘This is the message, please get it out.’ I am not sure whether the president fully realises that when the chief of staff speaks, people assume he is speaking for the president.”
Sarah Palin tried to hijack that story, with some success. But its true relevance — the reason it stayed alive, and the reason I kept it alive by writing about it and telling it to journalist after journalist until Peter Wallsten of the Wall Street Journal finally tracked it down and wrote about it — is in what it says about the failure of the health care campaign the White House was running.
Rahm was directly yelling at MoveOn when he used the words “f*#king r*#ards.” He did it because they were going to advertise against Blue Dogs for blocking passage of the health care bill on the Energy & Commerce Committee. It made no public sense, because everyone was being fed the story that the White House couldn’t achieve its objectives on health care because of Those Darn Blue Dogs. So MoveOn was only reflecting the very direct wishes of their 6 million members, who thought they were doing what Obama wanted.
The White House was doing one thing (negotiating with lobbyists, dealing away the public option) and saying another. When Kathleen Sebelius acknowledged in August that a public option wasn’t critical to the White House health care plans, Obama’s poll numbers took a huge hit. And Obama had to reassert his support for the public option in his speech before the joint session of Congress in September. His poll numbers started on the upswing again.
After the speech, I wrote a post about the trap they had set for themselves:
The administration’s inability to close the gap between expectations and reality is a boon for progressives members of Congress. Earlier this week, the co-chairs of the Progressive Caucus — Raul Grijalva and Lynn Woolsey — wrote a letter urging the President to mention it in his speech. I spoke with Rep. Grijalva yesterday, and he reiterated the need for the President to mention it in his speech. As long as the President keeps expressing his support for a public option, they — and we — can quite rightly say that we’re only insisting on something Obama himself endorses, something he campaigned on.
Of course, the actions of the White House betray quite a different intent. The deals they have negotiated with health care industry stakeholders do not include a public plan, they don’t believe they can back out of them without triggering a rush of lobbyist money to GOP coffers. At some point there will be a day of reckoning when the public understands that the public option is gone. The White House wants to stop their opponents — and let’s face it, progressives who are insisting on the inclusion of a public plan are at this point their opponents — from being able to exploit that gap. Because every day that goes by the base gets more and more wedded to the promise of a public plan, encouraged by the positive rhetoric of the President himself. And it becomes that much harder for the White House to extract itself from the double bind they have created without paying a huge political price.
One day the 11 dimensional chess set is going to have to come to terms with the fact that Rahm Emanuel worked with Max Baucus to cut deals that they force into the House through the Blue Dogs, and that the goals of the White House are not at odds with those of the Blue Dogs.
Information travels too fast these days to maintain that kind of charade when you’re actively working against your own base. Rahm thought that you could fool all of the people this time, that in the end they could package a “goody bag” and Obama could sell it to his supporters and call it health care reform — even though he had campaigned against the very back room deal making with PhRMA and other stakeholders that formed the underpinnings of the health care bill. When insurance stocks soared, people understood. When the PhRMA deal leaked out, they got it.
You’d have to be a real political nitwit to think it was a good idea to tell these six million people to get stuffed for doing what they thought was in support of the President’s health care plan. The one he campaigned on.
That day of reckoning has arrived, and Rahm’s flim-flam insurance industry/PhRMA bail out is dead, for now anyway — and I personally don’t see how they resurrect it in an election year. It’s just too toxic. Public option supporters won. Not because we were “purists” by any means (as Robert Wright suggests), but because we leveraged broad public support to make sure the price of passing health care reform was going to have to mean doing what they said they were going to do. What 80% of the country wanted them to do, what they had whipped public support for on the campaign trail. What the House bill delivered. While it wasn’t a great bill by any means, it delivered what Obama said he wanted.
But if their true objective was merely to secure campaign cash for the Democrats by sacrificing the ability to control health care costs for the next decade — as the Senate bill did — we said we would work to defeat that bill. We did. It wasn’t the victory anyone wanted, but it kept something far worse from happening, which would have made fixing the problem of spiraling health care costs all but impossible to do in the future.
But we only won because Rahm arrogantly thought that people were sheep and Obama could always stand before them and wave his magic wand and they would instantly fall in line for whatever piece of shit they negotiated. Rahm’s contempt for the entire “change” campaign that Obama ran on made the gap between action and rhetoric eminently exploitable. And when the time came to sell the Senate health care bill, it was so unpopular Obama didn’t want to get out in front of it lest his own popularity plummet.
Rahm failed. And so did 11 dimensional chess.




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Yeah, the Obama team as screwed the pooch. I don’t really see how they salvage this mess. And by mess, I mean the Democratic majorities and control of the White House.
They couldn’t have done a better job of resurrecting the Republican Party if that was their only intent (which I’m not completely convinced it wasn’t).
I really doubt the villagers have any idea how deeply disillusioned a good chunk of Obama’s base has become. And I’m speaking from Indiana – hardly some left-coast liberal bastion.
If only Baker, Daschle, Bryzinski, Kissinger, and Oliver North could step in.
Emptywheel “it appears to be very high level dissastisfaction” with Rahm.
WTF is taking them so long? What can Rahm point at as successful negotiations? Except sealing the deal for him when he gets booted to work as a lobbyist for big Pharma?
Every time Obama came out for healthcare, BUT, PO is not essential. So they were trying to have their cake and eat it too.
Now we know there was no truth in campaign promises. They are in bed with industry whether healthcare or wallstreet.
Never has a president been elected with such great hope, with over 70% approving public option and so been disappointed.
WH is taking the dems down with them.
Dems should realize this and stick to the dem party principles and values – healthcare public option or the entire party will go down for a very long time.
All the corporate cash will do nothing if people conclude dems are bought off and turn away from them.
Yay, we won!
Now what?
And the U.S. public paid the price.
So is Obama so insulated and isolated that he can’t see that this inner circle is sinking his presidency? Or doesn’t he care? Groupthink is deadly stuff…
Hel-LO Rahm! Come on down!
Just guessing. O’s pretty green. If he can’t rely on his trusty 4, where CAN he turn?
A smaller price than if Rahm had won.
Bravo to all of us for killing the insurance bailout (how we should have been referring to it from day 1).
Never has so much good will, and so much potential been wasted by so many smart people.
Obama’s only hope for 2012 is that Palin run, because only she could anger the left enough to actually vote for Obama again.
The blame for Rahm and Nelson and everyone else lies at the head, with Obama. He is the president of the US, the most powerful position in the world, yet everyone else and their brother is running the show.
Blaming Rahm, Nelson, Lieberman, Landrieu does nothing. Vacuum has been created due to lack of leadership at top.
Even if you know nothing about the subject but have principles and values and know what you want to accomplish, you can find the right people. If he has wrong people advising him then it is his fault. Rahm is securing his lobbying salary post WH and the rest are getting their campaign coffers filled.
I have to wonder whether his off hand “good one-term President” allusion wasn’t a waft of white flag.
Jane, Edward Luce was the guy who wrote the article.
Henry Luce was the rat bastard Skull and Bonesman who created Time and Life magazines for the Establishment.
Something about Madison Ave Cowboys project, but I don’t know much about that yet.
“It is said that the two originally thought of TIME Magazine during their time in the “tomb” of Skull and Bones. Having raised $86,000 of a $100,000 goal, the first issue of Time was published on March 3, 1923. Luce served as business manager while Hadden was editor-in-chief.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Luce
Jane, good post, nice summary. Two questions:
1. What do you think the WH has planned for after the “bipartisan HCR summit”? We know they aren’t going to compromise, and that he’s going to try to extract a political price for that. Then what?
2. How does one best monitor how many corporatist Democrats are being primaried this spring in congressional races? I.e., what do you consider the best website to follow this?
Much support for all you do.
Your analysis makes a lot of sense. It’s sad.
I hope they can “fix the bill,” but if you are right, the admin does not want to.
Edward Luce 2/10
Jane Hamsher 12/07/08
I’m wondering if Rahm is still thinking like it’s 1994 and there are no blogs or other fast ways for people to organize themselves politically.
He’s not a fast learner, is he?
Rahm Emmanuel -out roving Rove
Hey Rahm we are really tired of you pissing down our leg and telling us don’t worry thats just the rain we need for our Change and Hope Garden .
We’ll have to wait to see what comes out of Congress regarding HCR but we’ve got a top notch campaign issue with defense, strike that, war dept spending. Emphasizing the waste connected with private contractors both here and abroad and stuff like the Star Wars Initiative would be a great start. If the HCR bill comes out shittier than it is now we’ll have single payer as a campaign issue. Bucking the DNC and its hand picked minions won’t be easy but nobody ever said this was gonna be a cake walk.
Considering you were fighting for the Senate bill to pass, what “we” are you referring to?
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/11/30/why-continue-to-fight-for-a-public-option/#comment-64001
Calling this a win for public option supporters is pretty tough to take. It’s not like there’s a public option now. What a mess BHO made of this effort.
I think all we’re going to get is a bunch of GOP gibberish about putting a cap on malpractice settlements and allowing insurance companies to avoid stronger state regulation. Run to the right: it’s all the Dems seem to know how to do now.
Here are a couple things I have been thinking about (not Rahm):
1) (this is a general comment not aimed at this blog site) why do we have to be so obsessed with fox and the right? Can we have our own strategy and make some news of our own instead of wasting time on their strategy? I get casting the blame, but I need more positive news about new candidates, political achievments or anything, just more and less of what the wing insane are doing
2) Professor Seymore Melman and Ralph Naders book The Good Fight
Sad that winning is just being back to square one. My hope is that Democrats learned their lesson about blatantly ignoring their campaign promises, but i seriously doubt it. At the start of this year we once again have the president considering a bipartisan approach, or in other words, doing exactly what the Republicans wanted anyway.
The entire democratic caucus seems more concerned with re-election than it does with governing and the only thing saving their ass atm is the total failure that was the GOP (and them acting in like fashion). You have to be willing to lose (make tough votes) in order to survive this anti-incumbent environment. I am about ready to call Obama a failed president. Maybe some Obama apologist can point to a smattering of trival reforms that do nothing to fix substantive problems as a reason to re-elect him.
Jane,
I was one of those lemmings that wanted a health care bill to help out our personal situation that I was looking beyond all of the bad points in order to get rid of the “donut hole”, get some changes against the insurance companies etc. We were in the “donut hole” and paying $700.00 out of pocket per month. We have since changed Pharma providers at the recommendation of our pharmacy who ran the numbers for us to find a better deal for my wife’s many med needs.
I was wrong and I admit it. I should have known better since you took such a hard stand against it in the first place.
As discussed here previously,, Scott Brown won because independents, young folks, liberals and Democrats – who turned out for Obama and Kerry in 2008 – just stayed home in 2010. Brown had the same number of votes as McCain. It was Coakley whose numbers were down 900k from 2008.
So Rahm found out there is a place where progressives can go if you screw them over and over; and it is not to the polls.
The truth is polls show dissatisfaction is high with the Senate version, but that dissatisfaction includes 10-20% from the left who arent buying the deals, the excise tax, the lack of public option, the dumping of Medicare buy-in to kiss Lieberman.
Is something good going to come out of 2/25 event? Are the Dems coming to terms with the need to get this done and to stop reaching for the magic 60, but instead getting practical politics?
I have some hope of that but not if Rahm keeps driving the game as if they way to be a Democrat and win is to woo the money at Pharma, AHIP, Wall Street. There is a route to winning that is true to the campaign and to FDR.
Eleven dimensional chess my ass. I now understand that to mean “go somewhere else while we screw you some more.” Healthcare will have to be dealt with and it seems that the thing to do is to try to keep the pressure on while the election spotlight is on.
can’t help but think Obama is the biggest sham perpetrated on the American people given the past 8 years. I started having a gnawing feeling of misgivings and reservations with his FISA betrayal.
throughout my life my ‘gut’ feelings have never failed me.
Since corps, who are the campaign financiers, and voters are at loggerheads, it’s kind of hard to figure out how to both win campaigns and also govern.
The pledge we made Representatives take was to vote against any bill that didn’t have a public option. It was clear from the start what the “ask” was. If they were going to put a mandate in, the bill also had to have a public option because people shouldn’t be forced to pay money to private companies without a government alternative.
If that was where this was going (and it was) stopping it is was a victory. But we were very clear about what we were going to do from the beginning.
And, they will try to stymie stuff like this:
But, but, but…people don’t want actual health care, they want “choice.”
“Brand Obama” as Naomi Klein called him on a program played on book-tv over the weekend. And just like other flash-in-the-pan brands, he’s a gonner.
Jane we all need to thank you and other for exposing the HCR scam.
Rahm is a dinosaur, this clown does not know that the white house is now a glass house and the lights are always on, the day of the back door deal being done in the dark is over.
Rahm is no genius, Clinton got away with stepping on progressives because progressives were not organize. Clinton was no great progressive hero.
David Plouffe, David Axelrod, and Robert Gibbs all know that the politics of Rahm will eventually ruin OBAMA.
The base of the Dem party which is progressives knows that Obama has govern from the center right. Obama has done nothing for PROGRESSIVES.
David Plouffe, David Axelrod, and Robert Gibbs biggest fear is that a real progressive like Howard Dean will challenge Obama in 2012.
The american people hate both parties at the present time, so all politics in the near future are going to be driven by the bases of the parties.
The MSM tries to fool people into thinking that the independents are the majority of the american voting public.
It is a win, win, for corporations to portray independents as the voting majority, because independents always seem to like the status quo. How many people in the USA today like the Status Quo? I do not know any body that likes the current track the USA is on.
Obama and Dems will either move to the left or be slaughtered by the Left and Right.
How many tea party followers are going to vote for Ben Nelson? None
How many progressives are going to vote for Ben Nelson? None
Remember Scott Brown did not run a campaign built around the so call center. Scott Brown ran a campaign from the far right. Scott Brown main theme was I am the 41 vote, and everyone in Liberal Mass knew he was going to kill the HCR SCAM.
If people wanted more Clinton politics they would have voted for Hillary.
Depressing. Obama had such promise as a communicator. What a waste.
With the Republicans engaged in their own shooting circle with the tea-partiers, progressives should be cleaning house. Instead, this bipartisanship veil for continued corporatism.
“I started having a gnawing feeling of misgivings and reservations with his FISA betrayal.”
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Copy that. I almost stopped supporting him over FISA.
The tipping point two words for me, in the end, though, were “Sarah Palin.”
There was once a presidential candidate who did a real good job making that point… who in the hell was that?
/s
there is much fodder in the latest ANTHEM rate hikes here in CA for how bad it can be if the plans get to have unlimited clientele.
My wife saw hers catastrophic plan go up 24% and she has never collected a penny in benefits. Anthem also changed its “rules” to say it was no longer self-limited to one rate hike a year.
WATCH OUT!
LATimes columnist has a take on it on sunday.
You would think that the Dems could push this out to the nation and make some hay. It is the HMO version of the Wall Street bonuses.
“it was so unpopular Obama didn’t want to get out in front of it lest his own popularity plummet.”
Failure to consistently and clearly stand out in front of anything isn’t good for a leader’s popularity, no matter what the consultants advise.
Obama had it right during the campaign — the place to start carving savings out is in pharmaceuticals. As he himself said, allowing Medicare to negotiate for prescription drug prices would save $30 billion a year.
They sold that for chump change ($150 million in political advertising). That was Rahm. There’s no way to seriously address health care reform if you don’t address costs, and forcing people to pay 8% (or more) of their income to private insurance companies for junk insurance does nothing to address that.
Since it didn’t start until 2014 anyway, there was no good reason to pass it and a lot of bad ones. Start over and do it meaningfully. What they were trying to do just poured concrete into the problems, put a lot of money into the pockets of the crooks who created the problems in the first place and empowered them to make themselves even more immune from cost control measures.
Are you really so sure that this “win” has been achieved, that it’s been stopped? As I understand it, we still might end up with something like the Senate bill, but worse. Obama’s meeting with the GOP on Feb 25 to discuss it.
A meditation on the subject:
My Only God is Rahm
If Obama and and his Chicago brain surgeons believe they need Liberal and Progressive votes to win elections and hold power, they know what they have to do – it’s no secret.
you summed it up in a nutshell….great analysis.
would love to see Dean take on Obama for 2012 ( and defeat him).
That totally sucks and I understand why people want out from underneath the “donut hole” problem. I actually think that there is more relief and that it will come faster from trying to attack the pharmaceutical deal head-on and exploit the rifts that have emerged over it. Which, I promise you, I am very much working on right now.
it makes perfect sense. the blue dogs are the excuse the party leadership uses, the blue dogs are not the main problem, the leadership is. this has been the case since before obama became president.
i’d bet dollars to donuts that moveon’s membership would have choosen, back in the summer of 2008, not to precompromise on single payer in favor of substance-free neoliberal talking points — but the leadership refused to ask the membership even when petitioned to do so.
so i’m not so sure that moveon’s leadership has been doing what the membership wanted.
i hope i wouldn’t tell anyone to get stuffed. but i do think supporting the “president’s health care plan” was stupid because the plan itself didn’t actually exist (neoliberal talking points don’t count) and what we were told of it made no sense either policy-wise or politics-wise.
keeping the status quo on heathcare from getting even worse is the saddest kind of win. tens of thousands of americans will continue to die and suffer needlessly every year for no good reason other than the dem party has prioritized campaign contributions over american lives. and in the mean time, thanks probably at least in part to a propaganda campaign costing tens of millions of dollars, the progressive position on healthcare reform and who knows what else has taken a massive move from the position of supporting progressive policy to the position of supporting a neoliberal policy. that part, i most definitely count as a loss.
I thought it was 13 dimensional? :)
“…forcing people to pay 8% (or more) of their income to private insurance companies for junk insurance does nothing to address that.”
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Read the L.A. Times article (33 above). The Karen bin al Ignagni contingent wet dream. Forcing millions more people to buy shit, unenforceable paper.
That was dayala @30, but I agree.
You summed it up; same for me. I had misgivings about BHO all along; actively despaired over FISA. But Palin was, uh, beyond the pale, and so I went along to get along. Was concerned from day one about how inexperienced BHO is/was. He talks pretty but that’s about it.
If Palin actually gets the GOP nod, then I will tightly pinch my nose and probably vote for BHO in 2012. But it would have to be someone as glaringly horrid as Bible Spice to get me to throw away my vote on someone as glaringly bad a ObamaRahma. What. a. disgrace.
And BHO has now had more than enough time to “prove” himself. There is nothing there.
No we don’t. Nothing is coming out congress about health insurance reform, or anything else. Those Senate Democrat corruptniks would rather lose control than risk their corporate contributions and the cushy lobbying gigs they’ll get if thet.
Hate to remind you of this, but Democrats are in charge. Emphasizing what they haven’t done won’t cut it.
A true leader can control his temper thats not to say he never blows up but with Rahm when have we seen otherwise? Except for NAFTA what has Rahm ever won? Rahm has great PR but his only success is something Obama swore to fix during the campaign.
Go on name me a success of Rahm’s that he has not run away from? Unless of course you count killing National Healthcare, then killing the Public Option and now maybe he can force us all to buy insurance during a recession?
If Obamacare passes as Rahm wants it the Dems are dead in the next election.
Now is the time for progressives to get mlitant about forcing Dems to choose whether their allegiance is to People or to Corporations.
I did meet with Jane last
By margaret_flowers on Sun, 02/07/2010 – 2:06pm
I did meet with Jane last November in DC. She started doing some work to assist single payer candidates through her blog and actblue. I have to be careful about being too closely involved with that because pnhp is a 501c3 and I can’t be seen as supporting candidates as a representative of pnhp. I haven’t kept up with Jane to see where she is. Progressive Dems of America is pretty involved in supporting SP candidates.
Is FDL still supporting single payer. I hope so.?
I don’t have a crystal ball so I’ll wait to see what happens. You apparently assume I support the incumbents. I don’t. I’m not talking about getting the current Congress to do anything. I want to replace them with people who have a vision other than being rich and famous.
The Palin Question.
Obama showed us where he stood politically in ’08 when he embraced and voted for reauthorization of the Patriot act. His subsequent Stagnation Administration gives the lie to the “Change” campaign. Give credit where credit is due. Rahm is acting as Obama’s Cheney. The big difference is Obama isn’t Rahm’s butt puppet as Bushie was Cheney’s. So Obama is using Rahm as a cutout and deflection while Obama cuts, or allows Rahm to cut, sweetheart deals for various and sundry special interest groups. Anyway you look at Obama, he isn’t the man he portrays himself to be. As others have stated, he is a DLC type acting as a center-left politician who cares for the middleclass (while rarely mentioning or acting for the poor). Unfortunately for all of us, his actions/inactions speak louder than his rhetoric.
Blue Texan’s regularly scheduled post is better late than never: Palin and Perry Hold Anti-Government Rally in $73M Taxpayer-Funded Complex
Do you think this story was really leaked that any of the sources for this story talked to a reporter knowing just how vindictive Rahm is?
Someone wants an excuse to fire Rahm.
The question is does this suggest Obama will change directions? Or is Rahm being set up as a Patsy (something I’ve suggested for awhile) but Rahm takes the heat and business continues as normal?
We do have at least two ways of looking at this one way the Dems are dead the other we might be able to save them.
please don’t shoot me in the face, but as a matter of healthcare policy i don’t think the po was essential either. it was supposed to be a way to try avoid dealing with the regulations that would be necessary for keeping private insurance companies in the system, but it also needed adequate regulations not to become an expensive dumping ground for the sickest among us.
the whole public/private competition to “keep the insurance companies honest” talking point (because dog knows the dems aren’t sold on the idea of serious fed regulation of FIRE industries) is based on a neoliberal fallacy about free market competition in weakly regulated markets not being a race to the bottom. and i think it’s bullshit.
Nothing good has come from wasting time on the Republicants to date, and nothing will — especially now that they’ve seen their strategy work. If Obama really wanted to get it done he’d be twisting arms and offering incentives behind the scenes. This is just the ongoing attempt to blame his failure on others and keep his poll numbers up that his presidency has already sunk to.
In that case, if your goal is to replace rotten Dems with Real ones, you’ve got plenty of ammo.
And it’s why single payer WILL be on the CA 2012 ballot if,as expected, the Schwarz -again- vetoes SB810.
Hear, hear!
He could hire Jane Hamsher. That would certainly get people’s attention. To make room for her, he could fire Rahm. That would get people’s attention, twice over.
No, I don’t think Obama’s gonna do it….
And now you’ve hit on the nub here: For all the efforts of the GOP/Media Complex to portray MoveOn as a bunch of dirty effing hippies, the group has always been firmly attached to centrist politics. The very name of the group — which originally was “Censure and Move on” — reflects the fact that it got its start as a group made up of moderate Democrats and Republicans who were both appalled by the Clinton impeachment witchhunt and who were hoping that it could be stopped by a simple motion to censure.
But of course since the conservatives who run the media are gleefully shoving the Overton Windows rightward, Richard Nixon would nowadays be considered a “moderate” Republican — and Barry Goldwater himself got drummed out of the party before he died.
Good point Government gets the sickest people and costs balloon. While Private Insurance gets the healthiest less costly people then the GOP crows about the superiority of Private Insurance.
Obvious traps like this can only work if the Media is on board with the propaganda.
you could have tough regulation and tough regulators instead of a PO, but then you get things such as the rescinding of Glass-Steagall and gooper SEC chairs such as Chris Cox, and it all goes poooooooof.
Besides, most folks are just damn tired of writing checks to Anthem. I know I would even pay a bit more to buy from the government (Medicare buy-in at 55, anyone–now there was an policy to tip your hat to) rather than keep sending bucks off to our finance corporate masters.
Rahm’s done this very thing before. See also: NAFTA, 1993-4, electoral slaughter. But back then, he didn’t have blogs to worry about. (Remember, too, his absolute hatred for Howard Dean.)
I have this nasty habit before going into the bush of making sure my weapons are in working order, I’ve got plenty of ammo and my objective is clear.
from your keyboard to dog’s ears.
The Actuarial Model for health care contains the seeds of its inevitable demise. It is untenable long-term, and incredibly wasteful ongoing. All other industrialized nations know this.
Back to work.
Namaste
If the PO was such a good deal for the insurance companies, why did they not insist to Obama that he include it in the final bill? Instead, as Jane notes in her post, they cut a deal with him and Rahm to keep it out of the final bill even while Rahmobama were still pretending that they backed it.
My “we” was mildly ironic. I still feel like a Senate bill that gives insurance to 30 million uninsured is better than nothing, which is what it looks like we’re getting. I’m flattered that you remember me, though!
Absolutely spot on, Jane.
At Obama’s bidding, Rahm has orchestrated his bipartisan fetish strategy. In January 2011, they’ll have the majority they wished they had over the preceding two years — teapartiers, republicans & blue dogs.
What could be more convenient for negotiating away any meaningful change that benefits the average person in this country?
Ah, but once people get into programs like Medicare and the VHA, they like them very much. That’s what the private insurers feared and still fear, or else they’d have insisted that a PO be in the bill from the start, as opposed to opposing it from the start.
good point. imo nixon looks almost like a dfh from here — the osha? the epa? i can’t imagine today’s dems agreeing to anything that progressive or supportive of the basic regulations a complex society needs to run.
I have today 366 days to Medicare. Just stay healthy and uninjured one more year…
blessings and good luck.
long years to Medicare for us.
that is why i keep pushing for section 113 of the HOUSE bill.
COBRA extension until the exchanges kick in.
some forlorn hope still trying to bloom through the snow drifts.
True the Parasites have invaded the brain and are now killing the host organism by stimulating the pleasure/money centers of our government through lobbying and the media by buying the media companies.
How does it “give” insurance to 30 million more people? There is a subsidy for the purchase of insurance, but what insurance are you actually getting with that money? How much do you still have to spend for said “coverage?” And how much is needed to be spent in order to get the insurance company to pay (co-pays and deductibles)?
Basic all that was “given” was a flow of tax payer money to insurance companies to get policies that arent worth the paper they are printed on. Sure 30 million might be covered, but is that coverage going to enable those people to actually get care? In the end this is about getting care to those who need it, not getting policies to people without them.
We’ve had both John Marty and Jonathan Tasini on:
http://firedoglake.com/2009/12/05/blue-america-welcomes-jonathan-tasini/
http://firedoglake.com/2010/01/16/blue-american-welcomes-single-payer-mn-gubernatorial-candidate-john-marty/
There just wasn’t a lot of community enthusiasm for backing single payer candidates right now. I wish it were different, and we’ll continue to support them, but that’s the sad truth of it.
My sense from talking to members of Congress who are single-payer advocates is that they feel boxed in by their own supporters, and it makes it difficult to even hold their own ranks. Members feel like it’s a lose-lose proposition to even get into it, so it’s losing momentum rather than gaining.
FDL’s always held that the public option is the compromise and a way to get single payer. The problem is that many of single payer’s most vocal advocates, particularly in Congress, weren’t very well organized or effective — and the Congressional ones were more about lip service than anything else; they ran for the hills once SP looked like it was coming up for an actual vote.
Why settle for the PO we don’t need 60 votes we need a simple majority. Threaten to end the war and get some GOP votes. Threaten a vote on Israel aid run commercials saying Israel gets healthcare and we give them aid money but we Americans don’t get healthcare trap the Jewish lobby trap the GOP.
Forget 13 dimensional chess play a game of Go. Leave your enemy no option but to change.
that’s why i think, as a matter of policy, and knowing the political hurdles to overcome, i think we have to get rid of private insurance companies from our healthcare system. they are the tentacles of the ‘great vampire squid’ of the FIRE industry sucking the life blood from the economy and us (apologies to matt taibbi, who’s metaphor for goldman sachs i’ve mangled)
Real House and Senate Leaders put the screws on the minority parties pet projects for votes I have seen none of that during this debate.
Sounds like it’s time to be pushing for Medicare for all, i.e., single-payer.
There’s no reason to not push that more “radical” solution, since the prior compromises down to public option are not going anywhere and the Seante Bill isn’t either. It’s like in settling a lawsuit, when the parties dance their way together toward a number somewhere in the middle and then a condition or something gets in the way, and there ain’t gonna be no settlement. Everyone’s put the proposals on the table “without prejudice”, which is “I’m willing to offer this but there’s no way you can bind me to it later as an indication I believe my case is worth less than I demanded initially.” Once the parties say “fuck you, it’s time to try this beast”, all those prior, proposed compromises evaporate.
We’ve all long regretted that single-payer was compromised off the table at the get-go, back when it was thought Obama and Rahm were actually for a public option. Now that they’ve revealed their true position (“We’re aspiring to be the biggest insurance salesmen in history and we’ll get it done any way we can!”) and everyone knows just how bad that position is, it’s time to say “Fuck you, we’re going back to our initial demand.”
Rahm understands “Fuck you”, I’m sure.
Given the Dow’s worries about Greece, Spain, etc defaulting I’m certain the banks and investment firms holding the insurance companies money will take them down if they fail.
Given that nothing has been done to fix the financial system if not now then soon its only a matter of time.
“I have to wonder whether his off hand “good one-term President” allusion wasn’t a waft of white flag.”
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Perhaps. But I have also wondered if the one-term concept isn’t fundamentally reflective of the fact that Obama is not cut out for the job–something he may now have realized. Given what we know of the very cerebral nature of his personality, it’s entirely possible that he has come to understand that the Presidency is not his “dream job.”
MoveOn doubled their list by giving away Obama bumper stickers during the election. The list generally supports what Obama campaigned on. So while “substance-free neoloberal talking points” may be an accurate description of that, it is in fact what the majority of their members probably wanted.
Obama didn’t campaign on single payer. MoveOn polls their list all the time (though they usually sample the list, not the entire thing at one). They’re very much in touch with what their members think. I haven’t seen those results either but there’s no objective reason to believe the list had any particular interest in “single payer” over what Obama actually campaigned on.
i didn’t say it was a good deal for anyone, i said it was, imo, stupid policy (at least as described by obama, hcan or what was put in any of the bills that came out of committee last year).
i’d go with stark’s hr 193 which was a different kind of po plan (americare). but that one wasn’t on the table.
The solution is so simple and it would be a game changer:
1. Fire Rahm.
2. Obama should apologize to the nation for cutting the deals and vow “no more deals” with Washington insiders.
3. Make the Senate vote on the House bill and approve it by 51 votes.
4. If the Rethuglicans threaten a fillibuster, MAKE THEM ACTUALLY DO IT. Thus, dooming the Republicans forever. Make them explain why health insurance cost controls is so evil.
This would energize the base, electrify the nation and show the Repubs for what they truly are.
But, of course, this would require the Dems to do something against their own corporate masters.
Meanwhile, the failure in DC to enact “Health Care for All,” weakened to “health care reform” and further diluted to “health insurance reform” is leading to mergers within the insurance-pharma-hospital and health services industry.
The “core Chicago team”, of course, is headed by Mr. Chicago himself, Barack Obama. When the ship sinks, analyzing what happens has to start with the captain.
Just wondering, speculating, really: given the movement in health insurance stocks and now the M&A activity, whether and how much Rahm’s been playing that market.
maybe i’d have lost that bet, i’m wrong about stuff all the time. but it was by far the preferred policy of progressives (this is before the 10s of millions of $ got spent on selling the po as a substitute for sp) and probably the country (that statement i do have the numbers to back up) and if the membership would have gone along with the pre-compromise, it’s hard for me to see why the leadership was so resistant to polling them on the question. but who knows (not me), maybe you’re right… especially if obama had requested the membership to agree.
Obama taking “single payer” off the table before negotiations even began was either a sign of weakness, complicity with the insurance/pharma cartels or monumental naivete.
bankster bailouts to the rescue.
oops. my bad. got distracted by hcr. suppose to be working on something else. later friends……
We need to hammer that several countries like France, Japan etc pay less per person but insure everyone, let you choose your own doctors and best of all they live longer than us and have smaller infant mortality rates.
The GOP will scream we are giving money to poor people to help them live longer guess what Asians and Hispanics in America already live longer than the White Majority.
We need to laugh at the Racists for supporting the GOP and point out if we had National Healthcare 16 years ago with Clinton enough White Males might have been alive today to put McCain in the WH today.
Notice National Healthcare not the plan Clinton settled for bold change is needed now.
Imagine all the billions wasted on Private Health Insurance that produced more death instead being spent more productively in the economy.
Imagine how high the Dow would be?
Private Public spending the Libertarians need to focus more on actual cost and benefit rather than who pays the bill.
In this case the facts suggest Private Industry cannot do the job cheaper or better than government can.
Will the Libertarians see reason or is Dogma blinding them? Freedom from higher costs and better results ( longer life span, lower infant mortality rates ) means more money in the system and more productive workers.
The goal is prosperity for all not proving one’s Dogma.
Can we afford it Selise?
For better or worse (and I think it’s worse, but others certainly disagree) MoveOn has been trapped because their membership is now so aligned with the Obama campaign. (Bolded for emphasis — meaning the enthusiasm of the “campaign” and what it meant in their lives.) Most of their 6 million members are not necessarily progressive, and they’re not particularly politically engaged. They signed up for free bumper stickers on FaceBook. So MoveOn can’t take an aggressive stance in opposition to what Obama campaigned on without decimating their list.
Of course that cuts both ways — Obama can’t go against what he said he wants either without alienating those people too. That’s where he got trapped.
It may be that phrase “we won” is less accurate than “they lost”. The plan we assume was pushed by Obama’s guys was a bad one but even now many people are also still sifting tea leaves trying to figure out what parts Rahm pushed and whether Obama as on board. The Rahm’s quote “f*#king r*#ards.” not only shows his lack of maturity but his lack of leadership skills. The fact that Obama did not publicly call him on the carpet show his lack of skills as well. The smart approach by Rahm should be to have a private discussion to bring people on board instead of a childish public attempts to insult people they need but are unwilling to communicate with personally.
The failures can be laid at the foot of the idealization of the “blank slate”. An approach which attempts leadership through ambiguity. A process that must often fail as each faction extracts their personal interpretation of what the administration intends based on the best information available. Goals based upon picking a couple of speeches, a couple of sound bites and guessing.
Rahm seems to have gotten out his playbook from 1994, and is following it to a tee. Unfortunately for him, the president, and the country, the playbook is 15 years out of date.
All of this discussion is good, but a crucial theme is missing.
It’s not Rahm, it’s not Summers….It’s not Axlerod, Geihtner or Jarret.
It’s Obama. At the end of the day he is in charge of every single decision made. He made the deals with Pharma, he took single payer off the table, and he’s the one who killed the public option.
When do we start talking about a primary challenge? Is it not time yet? How much longer do we have? We need to start right now because of the one factor we all wail against, money. To unseat Obama will take a lot of money, and we need to start now.
You see “draft XXX for 2012″ all the time in comments here. Well, let’s get serious then shall we?
Because as long as the corporate centrist shill is in the white house, nothing will ever happen, and the right will only grow stronger.
Speculation does old money hang out more in low tax red states because of lower safer rates of return means they don’t generate as much as say new money Bill Gates, Warren Buffet. If we exclude gov contracts and inside deals how does old money preform by playing safe?
Insurance companies, Banks, oil companies the current system is what they are invested in change means they have to actually study whats going on and invest in new companies…in other words they might have to work.
John Gault work to learn something new instead of doing the same thing he has always did? the horror!!!
Speaking for myself I’ve stopped giving to MoveOn because they only express support for Obama’s policies. The problem being that they ask us all to forget that most of Obama’s current policies have their roots in Bush’s administration.
The concept that a bad idea, say waterboarding prisoners, done by someone you dislike is a good idea if your guy does it is not acceptable.
Yup.
He is. Hopelessly so. He knows about the 21st century ideas among progressives and he resists them.
Great post, Jane!
However, I don’t think we should let Obama get away with letting Rahm take the total hit as Obama’s ‘bad cop’.
Yes, it has Rahm’s fingerprints all over it, but none of this would have happened if Obama had showed even an iota of character, and directed his staff to deliver what he promised us.
Obama obviously thought this con job was a sound strategy, and HE alone made the decision to risk his credibility and his authenticity as a change agent, by pursuing it. Bad advisers give bad advice, but Presidents ultimately own their bad decisions.
Old money lives off of interest, invests in crony capitalism deals based on government contracts and inside deals, they also speculate/gamble at games with odds even loan sharks wouldn’t front you on. rarely do they create new business instead after a new business has proven itself they invest.
Yes they invest in venture capital in hot business sectors but the odds of cleaning up on that not so good the successes get all the press the failure rate they don’t talk about never mind the unregulated venture capital investments or bank paper or derivatives the odds suck!
We need to create new business in other words a healthy economy for everyone we need jobs.
12 and 13 broke
Yes, I understand and agree that this was a tactical victory. And you/we definitely beat the corporatist play that Obama and the Senate have been trying to push.
The point I was trying to make was a little different. Basically that it’s hard to get jazzed about a victory when the result is pretty much square zero or worse (minus 1 year and minus momentum).
In the end, it adds up to no action on health care when it really is desperately needed. That is what I was thinking when I said it was tough to call it a victory.
I don’t want to take anything away from the accomplishment of fighting some pretty determined, well positioned and well financed sell-outs. It’s just hard to get enthused and shout victory seeing where we are now.
That said, 2010 is Year of Being Positive for me, so:
“VICTORY. Progressives pushed back and won!”
Historically, it is instructive that the Presidents who had very low profile, managerial, or no official chiefs of staff were able to accomplish their legislative agendas through the use of the Vice President, the Cabinet, and the Majority (Minority) Leadership. The Executive Office of the President now numbers almost 2000 people. That is possibly too large an organization to be effective. And Rahm is nominally the manager over those 2000 people. Sure seems to be a lot of those offices on autopilot.
Ouch.
Great comment, thanks.
Hmmm… It would not be the first time MoveOn’s leadership has twisted polls to suit their own political strategy [aligned with the establishment options] rather than really finding out what what their members are really thinking, and want.
eg: On the war funding [David Swanson]:
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/20411
Waiting to see what they will do [or won't do] when it comes to Obama, Hills and our dem Israel congress critters want to attack Iran.
Jack Murtha — Dead.
Good point. I think the progressive movement overall isn’t quite there yet, but its getting closer. Check out the Commonweal Institute to see what they’re working on.
Rahm probably smashed the board it seems to be his only way to win the game at best he’s Bwahahaha! muscle to intimidate people.
He’s a Patsy street thug it doesn’t matter if he gets caught the real boss never gets caught.
Looks like there’s a strange bedfellows advocate for Rahm’s resignation so he can spend more time with his family.
That would be his crime family at K & Wall Steets.
I love the smell of capitulation to sociopaths like Palin & Bachmann in the morning.
Yeah, it’s Creepy! isn’t it — especially when you look at our options for the Senate in 2010 — and god knows in 2012 — With all Obama’s bi-partisanship bs, one wonders what the hell he is aiming for ? — our v. own ‘Corporate House of Lords’ where party identification/afflication is not obligatory and Lieberman [I-Is] will be designated as his shadow majority leader?
Ok — I’ll take the tin foil hat off now.
I did.
That’s not what it’s about.
It’s about plans that actually provide access to cheaper medical care, and those that claim to, but don’t, and those that claim to while implying that they’re actually some kind of insurance – which none of them are.
Yes, Obama is responsible. But, he’ll also be President for another 3 years regardless. Rahm and the other top advisors can be gone today. Further, making him grovel and admit his countlyess errors won’t really empower him to get anything done.
He needs to find a scapegoat (Rahm) to take the fall and then pivot off such a “decisive” action.
The feds are aware of that and are asking for an explanation.
Anthem-BC is saying it hasn’t seen the letter yet. (Which is probably crap, since HHS wouldn’t be saying anything it they weren’t sure it had been delivered. ‘Registered, return receipt requested’ would be my second choice for delivery method.)
Good points.
I desperately want wee Rahm to come to my house, stand in front of me, and say motherfucker. I want him to tramp back and forth in a drool-spitting, teeth-gnashing hissy, kick my lamp tables, yell at the other people in my house, and throw things.
Please, PLEEEEEASE, the fantasy is driving me over the edge. Let me be your exorcist. It will only take a minute.
It’s time to look for some one to run against Obama. We’re wasting our efforts trying to get him to do the right thing. Like Clinton, he’s a total narcissist with a gift for oratory. Gave himself a B+ for doing nothing! He’ll never fire Rahm. He loves the guy.
That’s what I noticed.
You’d think that someone who’s supposed to be really smart could figure it out.
That is a great comment. Worth expanding on.
We need to concentrate our resources in the primaries for a liberal/progressive block in the House. Then after we have success there and in state and local races, we can move up to the Senate.
It’s more than that he loves the guy. I doubt anyone on earth loves Rahm Emanuel. The guy is his BOSS. Rahm is Obama’s Dick. He’s the real president. (He called us the r-word. Why are we madder that Rahm used the r-word than that he called liberals morons?)
We must must must get us a primary challenger to obama. For the kind of “nothing” he does, you don’t get a B+. He isn’t doing just nothing. He’s also doing plenty. He’s doing everything bush would do, it is his purpose. We was had–as usual!
If primary voters had known Rahm was going to be chief of staff, Obama would have been toast. Now that isn’t to say after Obama went down Rahm wouldn’t have been welcomed with open arms by Hillary but he wouldn’t be chief of staff. Also not saying she wouldn’t have found someone on the same page.
There’s a Howard Dean 2012 facebook page. Get everyone you know to become a fan in the meantime. It’s hard to start raising money and campaigning when people don’t want to stick their necks out against a president who was very popular only a year ago and is still pretty popular, all things considered. The message that a number of people want to draft someone, especially someone like Dean who is the antithesis of Rahm, makes a good cheap statement. If it convinces Dean to run, so much the better, but even if it doesn’t, it sends a message of discontent and that people are looking for somewhere to go that isn’t to the right of Obama.
Jane – yu make many good points in this post, but I have to disagree with the part that states “MoveOn was only reflecting the wishes of their 6 million members who thought they were doing what Obama wanted.” I’ve been a member of MoveOn for a number of years now, and we are not the ‘sheep’ that the Obama administration (or others) would like to think we are.
It’s true that MoveOn’s actions were reflecting the wishes of their 6 million members. However, it was not because of what “we” thought Obama wanted, it is because we have been seeing what Obama and the Blue Dogs have been doing to gut the bill of anything of value. We have been watching this saga unfold since te early summer, and we are not fooled by Obama’s posturing. We recognize that the actions fail to support the rhetoric. Maybe it has taken awhile for that momentum to build to get to the point of actively pushing for taking out ads against Blue Dogs, MoveOn is a big organization, and it does move more slowly than I would like sometimes. But its members are not stupid. There was great support among MoveOn members of the administration’s message this summer regarding the public option. However, the membership began to see that the intent was opposite of the message; MoveOn’s leadership came to recognize it (it typically lags behind the membership, I believe) as well, hence the polling of its members to run opposition ads against Blue Dogs.
It’s my hope that MoveOn’s leadership will develop the ability to react a little faster, but overall I believe MoveOn is working to steer the discussion back to the issues and promises that Obama campagined on. We are not just blind supporters of the administration, and I think that is starting to become clearer to the PTB as time goes by.
Margaret Flowers nailed it on Bill Moyers:
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/02052010/watch3.html
My point was simply that the feds will, at the behest of the Ignagni crowd, likely try to suffocate any state regulation aimed at ferreting out these bullshit “plans.”
Thank you:)
Good points. However, as long as Obama is allowed to deflect the blame to Rahm his popularity will remain stable, and he won’t move Left.
Obama needs to get pummeled in the polls from those on the Left (which, if everyone continues to focus on Rahm won’t happen). At the moment, Rahm’s absorbing the blame, Obama’s poll numbers are stable, and he continues to shift to the right.
What the media did to Howard Dean is 99.99% proof positive that he’s real, not a corporatist, and a terrible threat to the Agenda. The Dean Scream is an invention. Never forget they can do it again, and will. Case in point, the Kucinich Flying Saucer. BASTIDS. We need to arm in advance for the takedown of our challenger by the incredibly powerful and effective corporate media.
I’m still laughing dryly, shaking my head, at one heavily self-referencing FDL poster who wrote 6 or 8 paragraphs on Obama’s being “LIGHTYEARS better than any republican” and boasting of how hard it worked “for Obama to beat any republican.” This is the attitude that will re-elect obama. He isn’t lightyears better; that’s a tragic, appalling myth. It’s like what you say when you want to be sure not to forget to say what everyone will love you for saying. Groupthink, Schizo-think, and it prolongs our battered spouse relationship with the current democrats, including obama.
Thanks very much, Jane.
Rahm (and WH) are playing one-dimensional checkers at best.
Axlerod said they had no backup plan for HCR in case Brown won because they only thought of it 10 days before. WTF? What would happen in an emergency? There should always be at least a Plan B and usually a Plan C in anything important.
As someone who was onboard the with the public option when Obama campaigned on it, I think I’m coming around.
If we DO restart HCR debates, we must start from a basis of single-payer, and only be dissuaded from there by an extremely convincing argument. And no, “lobbyists won’t like it” or “Blue Dogs will vote against it” is not a convincing argument.
We should point out that there is something to the “left” of single payer: nationalized health care. That can be our response to those who try to use framing to portray single payer as “extremist” in order to move the debate back towards our present health-for-pay system: we could always just nationalize the whole damned industry, if you people won’t play ball.
TLDR: I was very much in favor of the public option. But after seeing how it was all just bait-and-switch, and thinking about the moral hazard issues that selise et al mention, now I’m coming around to single payer. I think the progressive community should crystallize around this idea and run with it.
Thank you, also.
Excellent post Jane. Thanks for keeping our eyes open along teh way to what was *really* going on behind closed doors.
It is still hard for me to fathom that Emanuel (and Obama) thought they could completely sell us out and that no one would notice…
I mean jesus effing christ…. do they really thing we are so stupid as to not notice the two-way incestuous in-fucking going on between wellpoint and Baucus’ staff… revolving doors all the way around?
The delays… the abandonment of many, manay things that would actually benefit the fucking PEOPLE along the way using the mirage of bipartisanship… the magical, mythical 60 vote requirement, sucking up to Lieberman, holding the dicks of the Blue Dogs… did they REALLY think we would not see that they were watering down the bill to get what they actually wanted?
I remember some House member complaining to the WH about similarities between 1994 wannabe HCR and now, and Obama replied, “Yeah, but you didn’t have me.”
Actually said that shit… AS IF simple because the Great O said it we would believe it.
Fuck them and the Trojan horse they rode in on.
That too is part of their arrogance… with Obama in charge of course everyone will vote Democrat…
He doesn’t realize that the American people are acutally smart and are paying attention and will not support Obama at all costs…. especially since O and Co. have sold out the middle class.
Perhaps now he gets it, but I don’t think so. I think he sees MA as an isolated incident. Unless he becomes pro-middle class and fast, he will be sorely disappointed come Nov.
Great analysis, Jane. Wish I had more time (it’s my busy season for a few more weeks). Keep up the fight, you really are wonderful!
All hail the bright shiny objects of ambiguity
Looks like a perfect general anaesthetic for fooling all of the people, all of the time.
not going to argue with you on this part (half because i’m pretty ignorant about that dynamic and half because i probably agree).
i do know one young person (friend of the family) who wasn’t quite 18 in nov so couldn’t vote, but spent months volunteering full time for and with the campaign. he was motivated by all the good idealistic things i think a 17 year can be (concern about the wars, the environment, the well being of others, etc etc). will have to check in with him to see how his idealism is holding up.
Rahm is demon spawn. Why couldn’t it have been him instead of Murtha (who was no saint but atleast appose the Iraq debaucle). Anyway we need to hand it to the tea baggers. They killed faux health insurance reform by raising bucko buck for whats-his-name in Mass. While many more will needlessly die because the corrupt democrats in congress and the white house (for a time) killing the pharma/insurance co bail out was definitely the right thing to do. Now we need a candidate for 2012 and to convince the American Public that the corporate pawn that is Obama steps aside. I do feel the least bit sorry for the POS… running a trojan horse faux (I’m for the people yes we can but no I won’t) campaign made the SOB nearly a billionaire. GOOD RIDANCE BARKY
or maybe start with the VA (gov run insurance AND medicine) so we can compromise to sp? i’m mostly joking, because i think sp makes sense on it’s own and the more people know about it, the more they like the idea — republicans too). so, it’s something i think that has the potential to inspire people to seriously mobilize. it’s social movement politics, but i don’t know of any major human rights campaign (and universal comprehensive healthcare for everyone in our country is a human rights campaign) that won the legislative battles without the social movement to back them up.
“If people wanted more Clinton politics they would have voted for Hillary.
” –
Well no
Hillary is a liberal – Bill is not
Those of us that wanted Hillary politics – 18 million – more than voted for Obama in the primaries – voted for Hillary – and thereby voted for liberal progressive policies. Amazing that Obama primary folks can’t see that they just might have made the wrong choice. Indeed as a very close observer/monitor of the 93 health care fight, I know for a fact (I was head of Sun Life of Canada’s US Tax Department and getting daily reports) that it was Hillary that we in the insurance industry feared – indeed Hillary was the only Democrat in DC it seemed that was pushing single payer. Bill is not and was not Hillary – indeed at the time – and now – I viewed Obama as Bill centerism on steroids – and thought that common knowledge outside of the Dem base since my corporate management friends were all using corporate money bonused to them to push the Obama campaign past Hillary..
gives?
and of those 30 million of new insureds, how many will be able to afford to actually get health care?
If we had a none of the above option on the ballot neither party would be so fucking arrogant. Our problem is that its only the Progressives on the left that are anti-Coproratist or even understand that Corporatist own both parties ruling elites and dictate policy. The tea baggers on the hard right aren’t angry about Corp. rule as much as they are angry that its not their faction getting the sugar, yet. The teabag thing is mostly just a facade for even more radical rightists standing behind them.
Yes, he beats us less and we should all be thankful.
Don’t thint so… that ignorant communist Thom Hartman had a true tea bagger on his show this am. What the MSN just blew way out of proportion was an attempted Republican coopting of the true tea bagger “movement”. They (true tea baggers) tend to be more aligned with a Ron Paul anti-war anti-fed pro small government pro constitution (paleo) conservative perspective. Neo cons hate and fear Ron Paul conservatism (libertarians)
surrounding oneself with jackasses is a sign of poor leadership. emmanual is all obama’s doing.
Billy Tauzian(?) is worried.
This article says what I have been saying for months, now: Obama is a weakling. He’s too scared to go to the washroom alone because he would have to make a decision on which stall to use. He is making W look like FDR and Lyndon Johnson COMBINED!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The health-care “reform” debate has lasted long enough to actually provide reform proponents with brand-new data to exploit: the ever-greater chunk of money coming out of paychecks to pay off the providers. That started happening in January for many millions of people when their new “benefits” plans kicked in.
The administration should get that number down to a talking point: “Americans have seen $XX Billion more disappear from their take-home pay in the time Republicans have been stalling on healthcare reform. That’s $xx dollars out of every paycheck. And for every six months of delays and filibusters and lies that’ll be another $xx dollars. While your wallet and your bank account gets thinner and thinner, health insurance companies get fatter and fatter.”
I keep repeating this, over and over.
The corporate feudalists got exactly what they bought, a president and his admin (and both houses of congress) that fully supports the corporatist view top to bottom.
It’s not a matter of Obama being misled by his core, they are all part of the same game, and it’s rigged in favor of the corporate structure.
If you and others will just accept that you’d realize the rest of the analyses about Obama and change are much too contrived.
It’s a simple analysis, the government is bought and paid for, top to bottom, and THAT’S why we’ll see very little legislation, reform or change to benefit the masses.
Working WITHIN the political system is almost moot, as once elected if not already bought, they get bought fast.
In regards to Mz. Hamsher’s post, I really want to believe we have killed the shit Senate bill and deals with PhARMA and big ins and big med . . . it’s a great read, and Rahm led Obama and the party to the cliff and now they are being forced over the edge to their political doom.
Worst, sellout, ever. And it’s failing not only we the people, but it’s failing THEM, too, the dem’s, neolibs, DLC/DCCC, and every elected or wanna be elected dem.
Utter, abject, pure fail, in all regards, across the board.
That’s the ONLY thing of benefit to the progs or the masses, but that benefit is greatly tempered by what’s gonna happen under the NEXT Congress and the ’12 election when the GOP has a blanket majority across the board.
Provided the country first don’t go broke, hit a massive depression greater than the the 30′s, and fracture into regional entities as the USA breaks up . . . (only a BIT of snark in that statement).
By ’16, the worst case scenerio of a fractured USA is all but possible.
Doing the same thing over and over…that’s called the definition of insanity, but I disagree. Doing a thing repeatedly and expecting a different result is stupidity. Real insanity is doing a thing repeatedly, knowing the result is always going to be the same, but pressing on anyway.
All that is left is Arthur Schopenhauer’s solution: time is the four fold root of sufficient reason. Once that is internalized all that is left is to be reabsorbed into nirvana. Perhaps we care too much for the worldly things. Let the plutocrats worry with all that, we will be released soon from these earthly chains. Gosh, that almost sounds like the Catholic Church, doesn’t it? What is really sad is that the rich have always run the world and it takes huge disruptions in the economic system to admit a little equality back into the social fabric. We will have it again, for a brief moment, but as you say @164, not without a price.
I haven’t seen any sign of intelligence or ability to strategize out of Obama and Rahm because they haven’t accomplished anything and the frauds they have attempted to perpetrate have been apparent.
Obama is a creepy and cowardly zero who no longer inspires anyone except the feeble-minded and Rahm is an arrogant and rude bully whom someone is going to punch-out sooner or later.
They have managed to destroy the Democratic Party after the Republicans seld-destructed and the Democrats were the go-to party controlling everything. Quite an accomplishment. No intelligence displayed there. The only reason Republicans will do well this fall is very few voters will vote for the Democrats. That doesn’t mean the majority now supports Republicans.
The vast majority of people hate both parties.
Our political system is broken.
Now is the time to form new parties.
If not now, when?
LL Cool Jane, heh. Just like Muhammad Ali.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vimZj8HW0Kg
Jane, there are many things I agree with in this article and I appreciate much of what I read from FDL. But you are deluded if you truly believe that you and your followers are the ones who have stopped health care reform from passing. That you would claim its defeat as a victory of any kind is mind boggling.
“Those of us that wanted Hillary politics – 18 million – more than voted for Obama in the primaries – voted for Hillary – and thereby voted for liberal progressive policies. Amazing that Obama primary folks can’t see that they just might have made the wrong choice.”
YOU’RE a liberal. Hillary is a liberal feminist. After 40 years of culture war drivel I know it’s hard, but don’t confuse the two.
She’s also a mommy and her daughter is a hedge fund manager.
Case closed.
Bam, meanwhile, is his own version of culture war drivel. The Dem 2008 Primary took place in a 1990s political landscape–and some of them are STILL stranded on Mars.