Congressional Republican’s clearly don’t want this health care reform bill to pass. They made the political calculation that allowing Obama to achieve victory on this bill will only help Democrats in 2010. So, with this televised, bipartisan meeting scheduled for February 25th, the question is how will the Republicans play the meeting to get the upper hand.
I see two potentially workable strategies for Republicans. They can either use the meeting to systematically tear down the current bill by pointing out all its flaws, or they can make themselves appear sensible with an alternative that would require completely starting over and wasting months more on the subject.
Tearing Down the Bill
Republicans don’t have many good ideas left for health care reform. Almost every non-crazy idea put forward by Republicans has been integrated in some fashion into this current, right-of-center bill. Trying to explain why Republicans are not voting for the bill because it simply lacks tort reform and a less-regulated way of selling insurance across state lines will probably not play well, especially after Obama explains what selling insurance across state lines really means for consumers. But just because Republicans might not have many popular ideas to add does not mean there aren’t many unpopular provisions in the bill ripe for attack.
Republicans can use this meeting to go piece-by-piece through the health bill to make the case for why it is unacceptable. There is not just the “Cornhusker kickback,” there is the deal with PhRMA, there is a special provision for Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan, several deals to help different hospitals, and many different carve-outs. If Republicans take the time to shine a spotlight on each of these deals, it could be damaging to the bill’s prospects, and to the Democrats.
Republicans could then make a rather sensible-sounding set of demands on which they know Democrats won’t be able to deliver. It would start with a demand that all special deals are scrubbed from the bill. Then Republicans could request provisions Democrats can’t or won’t be able to include. For example, the GOP could push for adding drug re-importation, which blows up the PhRMA deal. Other ideas are extreme tort reform, eliminating the individual mandate, scaling back minimum benefit requirements, and a much smaller price tag.
The secret for Republicans here is to make the demands big enough that they know Democrats won’t be able to meet them, but small enough that they sound possible. There is always the danger that Democrats are so desperate for Republican cover, that they would give in to every demand—resulting in a tough Choice: Republicans either vote for the revised bill or be exposed as hypocrites that are simply, basely against everything.
A Sensible-Sounding Alternative
Republican leaders are demanding Democrats scrap the current bill and start over. To properly sell this message at the meeting, Republicans are going to need an alternative purpose that at least sounds sensible, something they have not yet offered. I personally can picture two possible Republican alternatives: one idea is a system of health savings accounts for the uninsured, combined with an extreme catastrophic insurance plan, like Singapore’s health care system.
The second is simply $400 billion in voluntary block grants to states to expand coverage how ever the state wants, combined with some mild health care reforms. This solution is cheaper, extremely simple to explain, “states’ rights” based—and it lets the Republicans avoid getting their hands dirty with any messy details. It is almost impossible to attack block grants because there are basically no details. It could be anything, including state exchanges like the one in Massachusetts, high risk pools, an expansion of Medicaid, new public/private programs like Washington State’s Basic Health Plan, etc. (This idea is so easy to sell, I don’t know why Democrats did not think of it.)
The most important thing for Republicans is that their alternative just sounds sensible. It does not need to be great, be workable, or hold together very well under scrutiny as long as it looks reasonable during the meeting. If Republicans look like they are trying to offer a starting point for a new compromise bill, it could turn into a real political win for Republicans. Democrats would, of course, be fools to try to take Republicans up on this new bill idea. Republicans could then just slow-walk the “negotiations” until the election, effectively killing reform.
A Possible Win for Republicans?
Obama did very well in his question-and-answer session with Republicans, but this next meeting might not be a repeat of that moment. It is possible the GOP could turn this bipartisan meeting into a real political win. Their success will depend on making the current bill look as bad as possible, while also appearing like they are promoting reasonable solutions that Democrats are refusing to consider.
For the meeting to be a political success for Democrats, they must show how inflexible Republicans have been in their obstructionism, and draw attention to politically toxic Republican health care ideas, like privatizing all of Medicare. If Democrats make it clear Republicans simply have essentially no good ideas on health care–or that GOP ideas would make our health care system worse–it could make it easier to perceive a Democratic bill as the only pathway to finishing health care reform.
The idea that one televised meeting at this point would lead to real bipartisan reform is laughable. There is no victory here if that is really Obama’s goal.




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The Republicans have a two-fer for fighting cooperation — denying a win to Democrats as you say, and secondly, maintaining their argument to be deserving of corporate money by stopping anything that would threaten insurance and drug companies. The last thing they will do is dare Obama to drop his dirty PhARMA deal, because if he called their bluff in the end (not that I think he would), well, the whores down on K Street wouldn’t be too happy. I think Republicans will stick with their current poison — destroy state-level insurance regulation, and make it impossible to sue. The Republicans still maintain their obstruction without pissing off their would-be future campaign donors, and their base just wants Obama to fail, first and foremost.
How the WH might game healthcare. Bipartisanship insistance to sink healthcare.
What a crappy analysis….
The problem with going through the bill and pointing out the special deals is Republicans want the campaign cash just like Democrats. Blowing up the PhRMA deal, for example, isn’t quite in their interests.
As for the Republican alternatives, interesting ideas. So far, the alternatives we’ve seen have fallen way way farther short of even what you’re supposing. I for one don’t think they’ll ever come up with an idea that actually solves a health care problem.
How so?
Right now HCR is stalled. All the Republicans have to do is stir up enough confusion to keep it stalled and they win.
Should health care reforms of any sort actually happen, it will be totally due to Dems forcing it thru the rightwing opposition. It will also be better than what we have now. The wingers are going to do anything and everything they can to kill health care reform, imho.
My guess is they will do none of these things. Since Television will be on hand, obfuscate the facts with talking alarmingly about costs of individual programs. The President can talk about overall reductions in costs, the CBO’s assessment and all the factual things he wants, the public will hear and understand “more money!” Its unfortunately simplistic, but it will work.
What a monumental waste of time and effort. I’d sooner want to hear a discussion by Cardinals in Vatican City concerning Exactly How Many Angels can Dance on the Head of a Pin than to pretend this health care dialogue is going to produce ANYTHING of value to the working class American. At least perhaps some real progress can be made concerning the Angel-Pin question. That’s always been a sticky wicket for the god-connected class, because everyone knows that some dances take up more space on the pin than others, and that some angels cannot or will not fully retract their wings. So coming to a resolution of this conundrum is very difficult, even by the best Angel experts in the universe.
It is much, much simpler than that.
It is easy to see how the Rs win this — they just keep saying, “Ditch the bill and start over with us anew, and all will be great!” And the Ds will be portrayed by the corporate media as the ones unwilling to work with the good-faith Rs.
Obama’s Baltimore Question Time went to his head. The Rs are ready this time — they won’t debate policy, they’ll just seek to win the PR game.
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Jon Walker and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
“There is no victory here if that is really Obama’s goal.”
WTF??!! There is no victory in having an open to the public healthcare debate with Obama controllin’ the microphone??!!! There is no victory in makin’ the fascist Republicans expose themsleves in public and givin’ the Democratic Party several thousand sound bites for November??!!!
Come on here Brother Walker, the two strategies you put forth for the fascist Republicans lead to an end that is more whimper than bang if you look at how they came off two weeks ago. Indeed, Obama is pullin’ the fascists out in the open so that there is no place to hide…none of the shit that ObamaRahma was willin’ to give away to the health insurance and pharmacutical monompoly in the beginnin’ is even left on the table for Christ’s sake!!
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THIS IS ALL ABOUT THE CORPORATE WARS FOR PROFIT AND POWER!!
just as soon as I don’t have anything important to do, I’m reregistering out of the democratic party. That’s more important than voting, cause it’s a statistic that is reported somewhere.
There is no better benefit to the status quo, than this complete foil, and pretense. It is absurd kabuki. It only buttresses the republicans, who would otherwise, not be able to pose as a homogenous set. as they now do.
Democrats must be put to pasture. It has been coopted with exception of a few who can change over to something better. I wish it was that simple… So what?
Are. You. Serious??? Come on!! Upper hand? The damn guy is giving them every damn policy they want. This is nothing more than kabuki theater again. Nice to see that now both parties are getting together and f*cking the nation in a bipartisanship fashion, instead of taking turns.
Lucy… football…
This time fer sure!!
Why break a political strategy Republican developed if it is not broken.
Of course, the process has already become so attenuated and tawdry that dragging health care through the mud one more time will hardly make a difference.
Bottom line: If you have good legislation, you don’t need Republican cover. And if you have bad legislation, it should be defeated.
You most be prepared for the strategy of your enemy if you hope to counter.
Know thy enemy and know thy self and you should not fear the outcome of a 100 battles.
I like that one. People know Obama lied about what he wanted from health care on the campaign. That genie can’t go back into the bottle.
The Rs can game the Ds by looking at them cross-eyed. Don’t need to be any more sophisticated than that.
I don’t think they can game it. Obviously, this isn’t about finding some real “middle-ground”; it’s Obama sayin’:
“I can outtalk you assholes, if you’re dumb enough to let me do it.”
But the repubs aren’t gonna do this, for the simple reason that they know that until Obama forces them into filibustering good, progressive, bills, he can’t really hurt them with the “articulate” stick. He’s been talkin’ the talk for too long, at the same time he’s been sustaining bush’s spinning plates, to turn this around with more hopey-changey B.S. Unless he gets off his “centrist” ass and dares them to actually block some good legislation, they’ve got the hammer on him, and they know it.
He could start this week, or the next, by putting every ounce of political capital he has left, behind stripping the health insurance robber barons of that anti-trust immunity, and then daring them to mess with it.
Anyone like to bet that he won’t sit on his ass and let the “centrist” dem congers make the decision? (Which means he will have quietly told them to sit on THEIR asses and do nothing…)
I thought not. :o(
Gimlet @ 14:
He’s gonna catch the bi-partisan pony too.
Really.
I mean it.
Stop laughing.
Seriously?? They don’t even need to look cross-eyed to “game” the Dems. They just need to be Republics… ya know: breathing in & breathing out with that “R” next to their name plate. You’re really holding them up to a high standard by expecting them to be cross-eyed. Dems cave just because….
Any demands to scrub special interest giveaways can be put to a vote as separate legislation to be sent to the House on an item by item vote. I don’t think the Republicans want to go there–advocating scrubbing a special interest item then voting against it or filibustering it.
Any one of their proposed changes can be sent to the CBO for scoring. They’ve already lost tort reform on that basis; CBO has said it would deal with 1% of the cost. I don’t think the Republicans want to go there either.
If they accept, I expect the usual grandstanding like what they did in the House GOP question time. And I expect they will be trying to run out the clock on the meeting before folks figure out that they are all about obstruction. But properly timed, it might draw a good TV audience. It plays on the media’s sense of high drama and conflict.
I’m more worried about Blue Dog Democrats giving Republicans cover for their obstruction.
You’ve won me over to your POV. Very sharp & insightful logic.
Let’s not forget that the Republicans have recently demonstrated that they have no qualms about voting AGAINST their own proposals if Democrats are foolish enough to accept and support them.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/31/AR2010013101837.html
They could conceivably make all kinds of demands, which Obama-Rahm might take at face value and force Democrats to concede, only to have the Republicans vote against it anyway.
I don’t see any possibility of this working out well for Democrats politically, OR for the People, who still are in desperate need of health care reform. This will do nothing but waste precious time and fritter away any remaining support for Obama, HCR, and the rest of the progressive agenda. This will be a big-time FAIL for everyone except the Republican partisans.
rmwarnick @ 16:
“…and if you have bad legislation, it should be defeated.”
Perzackly.
If Obama were sitting on the steps of congress on fire, there isn’t a republican in that building that would walk out and pee on him…
And ANY bill that he can cozen the repubs into supporting isn’t worth having.
Rs play 11-dimension chess.
What is the format of this dog and pony show? I’m pretty much speechless. A national, televised meeting for Republicrats to discuss health care policy! G_d help our democracy!!!
I think the people who say that Obama/Rahm are stuck in the ’90s are pretty close to the truth. Obama believes that the meaning of Scott Brown’s win is “liberal overreach” just as the beltway press portrayed Dems losing congress in ’94 to be. He doesn’t have a strategy to draw out republicans and make them look bad on the healthcare issue. He’s just getting a jump on his “triangulation strategy” now that the republicans are in charge again. Triangulation was very popular with the beltway press as I recall.
Finally someone on the left (the OP) who can think strategy and tactics.
As I noted elsewhere:
The Republicans only need to ask some preliminary questions to expose this as the political media scam it is. At the beginning of the session, just ask the following questions a under the premise of understanding the ground rules.
1. Mr. President, which of the two passed bills will be the baseline of our discussions today?
2. Mr. President, will you provide the details of the deals you made with PHarma, unions and Hospitals with the EXPLICIT AGREEMENT AND SUPPORT that those deals may be revoked for the best possible reform solution?
How Republicans Might Game Obama’s Proposed Bipartisan Health Care Meeting
Do you think that all 41 of them might walk up to him and kick him on the butt, right where the sign says “Kick Me Harder This Time”?
How can you say such a thing?
(42 counting Lieberman. 45 counting Nelson, Landrieu, and Lincoln.)
Obama was not elected by american voters to negotiate forever and be bipartisan. He was elected to get healthcare done that he promised to do during campaign. The repub senators did not elect him, we the voters did, where is consideration for us the voters.
Wouldn’t it be a nightmare for Dems if the GOPers publicly demanded the individual mandate be removed on constitutional grounds? That’s something almost everyone hates and would allow the GOPers to seize the populist mantle and rail against big government forcing people to buy junk insurance. The hypocrisy of this position would fly right over the heads of most of the public.
This bipartisanship crap is going to be the ruination of the Obama administration.
The Plum Line Greg Sargent’s blog
Cantor: Only Route To Bipartisan Cooperation Is If Dems Fully Embrace GOP Plan
Eric Cantor’s office responds to Obama’s announcement of a bipartisan summit on health care with the most explicit and direct assertion I’ve seen yet that the only way Dems can win bipartisan cooperation is to fully embrace the GOP health care plan and nothing more:
Republicans are showing Dems how to be a true opposition party. The Dems rubber-stamped every friken egregious thing Bush wanted (After Dashle was warned with a white powder envelope anyway) assuming we voters would have amnesia. Well this voter has not forgotten and now laoth the faux false opposition corporate democRAT party of Reid Pelosi et al. I dare say I see through thier thin third way ruse and hate them. Republicans will NEVER cooperate with Rahmobama and I respect the for that. Hell they’ll disagree with the font its printed withm Heres the best take on the problem (the dumbocrat party) we face:
http://www.stopmebeforeivoteagain.org/stopme/
Now that you mention the Constitutionality of the mandate, it does need to be brought up by the Republicans. The “Constitutional lawyer” POTUS better have his dancing shoes on when he tackles that issue.
The Republicans can make the case in a couple short and clear sentences. Obama will have to drone on and the public will easily make their choice.
Seems to me if you are going to make statements like that it is incumbent upon you to put forward the specifics of your criticism.
There is a delicate balance between learning from one’s mistakes and going to the well too often. Obama won the first round; the second won’t be as easy, but I suspect he will. And the goal of having reached out once again will have been accomplished, and health care reform can then be achieved without bipartisanship with a clear conscience. Remember, the President started as a community organizer; that means building coalitions and consensus; that is his basic instinct. Whether he has yet learned the long-run futility of believing it possible, well we will see whether he is a quick learner or not. We are barely into his second year.
There are many ways to build coalitions and consensus.
And most of them involve persuading people you have dirt, leverage, pressure and a WORSE outcome for them if they resist your overtures.
Stalin was excellent at this, so were most successful rulers thru out history.
I suspect the DLC and DCCC are using the same tactics on all progs and centerist dem’s, in the Chicago School Of Persuasion manner of success Obama likely employed as a political rookie. Look all smiley out front, play nasty ball in closed rooms beyond the public view.
Does Big O even want HCR? Or do he and Rahm think the D’s can run on the obstructionist R party in November? Because that strategy won’t work. The public doesn’t understand Senate rules, nor should they. They don’t care. They want results. The D’s look like Keystone Cops, or worse, they vote for the tough guys, no matter how repulsive their policies are. Or they stay home.
Barrack the masochist drag-on
Lived by the tea
And frolicked with the Rahmunists in a land called centricity
Little cackling GOPers loved that centrist stuff
And brought him dreams of bipartisanship and other meme stuff
the problem with health care reform is three tiered…
First, most people accuratley percieve it as being secretley shoved down their throats, and don’t like that.
Second, less than seven percent of the American public lacks health insurance of one kind or another. By these numbers, it isn’t as important as congress wishes everyone to believe. This raises more questions, like whats on YOUR agenda??
Third, unemployment stands at more than nine percent. Helping people become employed will do so much more than simply giving them health care, so why waste so much time and effort on something that will only lower our health care standards??
td
Less than seven percent . . . And then there are folk like me that spent almost one-quarter of their gross income providing for health care for their family last year.
Boehner and Cantor’s lay down a marker for “good faith” negotiations— take reconciliation off the table. We’ll see how quickly it takes for the White House to capitulate.
Assuming the President is sincere about moving forward in a bipartisan way, does that mean he has taken off the table the idea of relying solely on Democratic votes and jamming through health care reform by way of reconciliation…
Eliminating the possibility of reconciliation would represent an important show of good faith to Republicans and the American people…
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/02/08/congressional-letter-questions-obamas-commitment-bipartisanship/
“Let’s not forget that the Republicans have recently demonstrated that they have no qualms about voting AGAINST their own proposals if Democrats are foolish enough to accept and support them.”
VERY good point. The Rs will go in there with ideas to make the Bill even more odious to the public, Obama goes all bipartisan and makes the change, Ds vote for it, Rs against, and they clean up in 2010.
The D-Party, now losing its corporate campaign cash to the Rs–already having lost the public, should have gone with the convictions of its more progressive factions.
They’ve lost it all, and now they’re going to get taken in by the political machiavellianism of the R-Party. You can’t outwit them. You have to go with your convictions and ask the public to go along with you.
This has been going on for 40 years, to the point where there is no D-Party left.
” think the people who say that Obama/Rahm are stuck in the ’90s are pretty close to the truth. Obama believes that the meaning of Scott Brown’s win is “liberal overreach””
EXACTLY. And, even worse, Obama’s (genuinely held) understanding of our social and economic problems is likewise stuck in the 90s. This is also true of the vast majority of continuing Obamabot/ D-Party faithful. It’s also true of Bam’s 90s leftover financial team.
They honestly, genuinely DON’T GET IT–like George Bush Senior, back in his day.
They don’t get it and they can’t fix it. But they’re going to bowl you over, while committing political suicide, anyway. To top it off, they’ll rant and rage like insane idiots about how STOOPID the American public is.
You cannot unload these cranks fast enough.