Democrats in Congress have not learned all the wrong lessons from the Massachusetts special election–just most of the wrong lessons. They have at least realized that the special deals and selective carve outs, like Ben Nelson’s extra Medicaid money for Nebraska, put in the health care bill were very unpopular and angered voters. Yet, instead of trying to use the reconciliation sidecar to scrub health care reform clean of its unpopular provisions and fill it with very popular ideas like the public option, Democrats are going to use it to add even more politically toxic provisions.
One of the most unpopular parts of the health care bill is the excise tax on employer-provided insurance. The only thing that makes it even more unpopular is that some politically connected groups are getting special exemptions. So, what are Democrats doing? They are going to give federal bureaucrats a special carve-out to protect them from this very unpopular tax. (From Inside Health Policy via Politico)
“Federal employees — but not lawmakers or political appointees — would be exempt from lawmakers’ proposed ‘Cadillac tax’ on high-cost insurance plans under an agreement that Rep. Gerry Connolly (D-VA) and House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-MD) secured with the White House last week, according to sources and reports. A House staffer confirms that the proposed exemption does not include Congress members or political appointees. Connelly’s office said Wednesday that he worked with Hoyer to exempt the federal employees who were not part of the earlier deal that exempted collectively bargained plans from the tax for the first five years.
This is a Republican political operative’s dream come true. Special tax deals for federal bureaucrats—GOP mouths must be watering at the thought. What Democrats are doing is creating a brand new unpopular tax, which they had campaigned strongly against in 2008, but they are going to give a special carve-out to protect the IRS agents assigned to collect this new, unpopular tax from the tax, itself.
Brilliant Democrats! This will sell well in middle America. Have fun explaining why you desperately need this “fix” before you can pass an already unpopular health care bill.
What do we know from Massachusetts? People don’t like special deals, carve-outs, and legislative horse trading. People voted for Obama to change the way Washington works, and, by that, they meant special deals for the politically connected. People want the law to be fair for everyone.
If Democrats fill this reconciliation sidecar with even more horse trading, it will become even more toxic than the current Senate bill. If it looks like it was done purely to bribe even more special interest groups and legislators instead of making the bill better and more popular, it will be torn apart in public. The only way to sell the sidecar and salvage some popularity for health care reform is to use it to expunge any hint of a deal and add new, popular provisions like the public option, drug re-importation, and Medicare buy-in that will allow Democrats to honestly sell the reconciliation measure as a popular fix in response to public complaints about reform–instead of just another political pay off.



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Jon, let me see if I have this straight. These two house members, who have large numbers of federal employees in their own districts, have cut this deal that will protect them from any backlash that other members will certainly suffer all across the country.
Is that a fair summary?
Indeed. Democrats don’t realize we live in the 21th Century and that the days of horse trading are coming to an end.
The problem with the carve out are three fold.
One it is “special deal” so people hate it.
Two it is admitting that there is something wrong with the policy but instead of getting rid of if they just help their own.
Three government bureaucrats make easy takes on the right.
Crap, crap and more crap. What can we do?
The best part about the excise tax deal before the MA election was the raising of the threshold for everyone and exempting dental and vision from the calculation. I’d hope those things that affect everyone with a health plan are part of the sidecar.
[smacks forehead on desk]
The days of horse trading may be over but there is clearly still a need for buggy whip makers in the DC area.
Can’t we just fire almost all of Congress? These freaking people are just so loathesome I cannot even get my head around it. They have been in power too long and are completely intoxicated by it. Throw the bums out!
Dumbocrats.
Well, since the only jobs left in the country are government jobs, I guess this won’t be such a big deal.
After the population at large worked hard to get the rethugs out and put in “sane” people who would govern properly with the people in mind, the dims are throwing it away. The dims can’t possibly think that what they are doing is going to ingratiate them to the public, so it must be that they are deliberately self destructing so they can be herded into a corner by the “bipartisan” goopers and left to rot with their small pittance of government. It all begins with obamarahma and ends with the newest member of the dims in the House. I’m almost speechless, but not quite.
excellent point jon, thanks. the “solution” to the nebraska deal was to give all states the same deal (same btw, for the ma medicaid provision). the solution to the excise tax is to exempt everyone.
i’d even go so far as to say the solution to giving subsidies to some people is to give them to everyone. but that makes me an extremist *g*
The results of the Democratic party being owned lock, stock and barrel by the unions.
Least we forget the “other” side of Corporatism is the Gov’t side where Gov’t bureaucrats and pols make sure they are also well taken care of in all these dirty deals. This is the ONLY side sold the tea baggers and the rest of the Yahoo set out here are fed.
Sherwood Brown told Rachel that budget recon would happen – so a letter signed by 50 Senate Dems guaranteeing their vote could get the Senate bill passed in the House – Brown thought in 4 to 6 weeks.
I see NOTHING happening in the Senate until the insurance companies allow it to happen – Seems 43 Senate Dems – by my count – will vote for the people – obviously enough to make one a Dem when compared to the only choice being the GOP sellouts – but there seem to be up to 14 – again my count – who are sellouts – these Dems are whores just like the GOP – they are just cheap whores that need a pimp like the ins co lobbyists to make the rules clear – unlike the GOP who instinctively know how it will be paid and how much they will get for today’s activity.
I do not understand how Brown can be certain of ANY action as I see Rahm’s plan as one to delay – very pushing other priorities – until budget recon authorization dies and the only option is the Senate bill with no changes.
As to the gov worker carve out I have no problem with that if it occurs as it will be guidance for future removal of the excise tax from everyone – the 1982 Rand study that justifies a small deductible as not harming health out comes while keeping costs down has been so mis-used it is unreal. The obvious do not use health system that is rationed by wealth because the price has been made so high that you do not have the wealth to spare is so crazy as an objective I wonder how these Dems can call themselves something other than Republicans.
Medical costs rose a full percentage point of GDP last year, up to 17.3% from 16.2% in 2008.
There was a stupid article in the Washington Post yesterday trying to depict Obama as out of touch and living in a “bubble”. I think they got it wrong. It is our Congress-people living in a bubble. Every day they come up with new idiocy like this, and yet I know that voters are yelling at them via phone and email to quit giving it all away to the corporations and special interests. Evidently, they just really don’t give a damn about the ordinary people who vote, and are more intent than ever upon licking those special interest boots. As of this moment, I’m giving up worrying about the Republicans taking Congress back. It clearly makes no functional difference whatsoever.
Democrat = Republican = Crooked Scumbag, every last one of them.
The solution when you are in a hole is stop digging. They should realize on a bill this big they can’t treat like some fast moving Ag Omnibus bill.
Cut out all the deals, all the carve outs without a clear defensible justification, and anything that almost anyone does not like that you can. Than you need to slap a brand new bow on the package with a popular new idea to justify this whole second bill.
You surely must be joking. The unions have been castrated for years now, only a shell of their former power. You must mean, like the Republicans (and apparently now the SCOTUS) are as well, owned by the corporations.
OT but that Pumpkin seems to be smoking a Dubie!! Do we get some oh please oh please JW??? Don’t Bogart it what ever ya do………/s
Ok, call me crazy, but if there is a limit to how much this bill can cost, don’t carve-outs for some mean higher premiums or taxes for those of us who have to pay? They’re so focused on the deficit and not spending too much, yet every “fix” seems to make the bill more expensive or burdensome for workers rather than less. It’s bizarro world and just when you think you’ve seen everything . . .
What we are now left with are bad and worse choices. We can either accept what the GOP, Blue Dogs, and Big Health gives us or we can reject it. One choice is bad, the other worse (you’ll have to decide which is which for yourself).
The time to fix this is not NOW, it was last spring when the Senate Finance Committee locked out PNHP which was the first shot in the war against reasonable health reform. If single payer is totally out of the discussion, what kind of reality-based reform can be discussed? It at least had to be one of the possible proposals. It’s not like it was some radical idea from another planet, it works in the rest of the industrialized world and HR 676 was waiting in the House with 80+ co-sponsors.
When the Democrats (especially Obama) went into hiding this summer and let everybody take the heat at the town halls, that should have been a clarion call to action. I attempted to start a Twitter movement on the Iranian model to get people across the country to start organizing marches and general strikes for single payer, or even just “real” reform. After about 3 weeks of this I gave up. I guess the reason why the Democrats are going to pass a shitty bill that screws everybody except their big donors is because they believe that that’s where their political bread is buttered.
And historically, they are right. It’s the progressive wing of the party that goes knocking on doors, sits for days in phone banks, hands out leaflets on street corners, etc etc for the Democrats every single time. And every single time as soon as the election is over the Dems say “Thanks, see you in a couple of years.” It’s predictable. Like Lucy always pulls away the football and Charlie Brown ends up on his backside.
The only way that progressives are going to get political traction is to get ourselves away from the Democrats. They are just as tainted and toxic with business as the GOP. They are users, and they are happy to use the activists to get elected, but when it comes to policy they don’t even know us. This is why I left the Obama campaign a few weeks after Iowa. I could see him turning right and pandering to domestic spying, religious right, big business, etc. And he made it CLEAR in May that his health care proposals do NOT include single payer. He was clever enough to avoid saying it directly, but if you were paying attention you could see it.
I know I’m ranting to the choir. People who get to this site are probably the same Democratic Party activists I’m talking about so you already know what’s happened. What I’m suggesting is that we need to make a concerted effort to inform the Democrats that the jig is up. They either deliver a health care bill that’s palatable to progressives or we will form an independent party.
-Wexler
If true, the Dems are too stupid to govern.
This means GOP corporate-serving corruption will be coming back.
They haven’t a clue. They are groping around in the dark. Have at it, I say. More chaos in November. Because chaos in November is apparently the *only* hope we little people out here have left.
So, showing *just* how stupid they are … they just keep digging themselves in deeper. Amazing. They aren’t legislating, they are just *passing* *bills.* “Pass the bill. Pass the bill. Any bill. Now. Now. Now.”
What we have here, ladies and gents, is a good old-fashioned stalemate.
House can’t pass the Senate version.
House can’t pass any Senate-friendly changes to the House version.
Senate can’t pass any changes to Senate version.
Senate won’t agree to House version.
This has been obvious since Christmas.
Congress seems unable to face up to this.
Thank the gods and goddesses that the House REFUSED to pass anything on promises from the Senate to pass/fix things after the House passed what the Senate wants. Apparently Rahm and Senate Democrats were stupid enough to ask for that! That would have been suicide-before-November and the House members know it.
They simply cannot bring themselves to create a bill that will pass and find acceptance among the electorate. No, what they want is a byzantine mess.
Fail.
Mouth open. Head banging on wall.
Just when I think the Dems in Congress are starting to get it, they do something monumentally stupid like this.
Can’t they visualize the Repub ads they’ve just written?
and an ideological one too boot. nothing worse than an ideological extremist…
Here’s what the Congressional progressives can do: Band together, write a simple “Medicare for Everybody” bill, and start pushing for votes. Media coverage will raise the temperature and the ball will start rolling. Spin it as a “Save Obama’s Presidency” bill, ignore White House objections and pressure, and keep pushing. It’ll be the only organized, focused health-care-reform effort around, and it’s worth doing. It’s got a real chance. When it reaches his desk, what’s the President going to do? Veto it?
In fact the Wyden-Bennettt plan for all its problems started with the idea of eliminating the tax deductible status of insurance and giving everyone a voucher.
Union membership has dropped, but their political antics has not. The GM and Chrysler BKs were rigged to payoff the UAW. Andy Stern, head of SEIU had over 20 (documented) visits to the WH in 2009. The HCR carve out for “collectively bargained” insurance coverage was another farce. Now fed.gov (many many unionized) are getting their pay back.
These paybacks are for all the millions of union campaign contribution dollars and volunteered labor.
The unions may have lost power/membership in the workplace, they’ve just shifted it to the WH and Capitol Hill.
Wexler, I agree with you but I don’t see how a third party candidate gets accepted by the oligarchy. The Citizens United decision means that corporations will continue to buy both Democrats and Republicans to hedge their bets (like they always do, only now with unlimited funds) and that consequently they’ll retain control no matter who wins an election. A third-party progressive candidate would no longer be progressive were they to accept money from these corporations, and I think we have seen that the Dems just move toward the right when threatened. I think we have to have a revolution completely outside of the two-party system. General strikes, refusal to pay taxes on a massive scale, etc. But as I have said way too many times in these sorts of discussions, I have no idea how bad it has to get for the American worker for that sort of thing to happen.
Given the limitation of it being almost impossible to change the constitution I think the best hope for a third parties is a push for instant run off voting for elections in the United States. If in a few of the ultra gerrymandered Democratic and Republicans districts you could start building the seed of real third parties that win elections.
I want to believe, I really really do. But my gut tells me that things have to change in a really dramatic way in America; small steps are not getting us anywhere. I can see third parties being co-opted by corporations the minute they amass any significant power. The empire needs to fall all the way down, I fear.
I’m not even sure this discussion belongs in the given topic, so sorry to Mr. Walker if this seems like derailing.
HFC, I agree with you that progressive movements will seem to be co-opted by corporations as soon as they get on the money train. We need to re-establish the value of a vote as more important than the value of a dollar. The wise grassroots movement will include in one of its primary tenets that political advertising is generally BS. It must urge voters to consider what their pols are actually doing, rather than what they say they will do.
Regardless of how much money the two parties raise, they still need our votes. (At least as long as we can resist computer voting machines like Diebold). There are obstacles, impracticalities, improbabilities, and discomforts to be had in trying to seat independent Senators and Congress people. However, just think of how the debate might look right now if, say, 7% of Congress was progressive independents with another 7% leaning that way. They could function like a voting block and drive the health care debate to the people’s interests by horse trading other votes.
I’m just throwing out ideas. I don’t really have a dog in this fight as I will be able to get Medicare by the time any of this takes effect. However, as a cognizant being sensitive to the concept of the future and what it may hold for my grandkids, I would sure like to see this country stabilize on some kind of realistic, progressive trajectory that would stall our inevitable fall from the top of the doghouse.
Cheers,
Wexler
Thank You. Agree wholeheartedly. Simplicity is the only answer.
All else is simply an exercise in tying oneself in knots to preserve the obscene salaries of healthcartel CEO’s.
Things will have to get much,much worse before there is a chance for real reform.
Thanks, Wexler and Jon. I too did not mean to derail your excellent analysis of the healthcare reconciliation status. The big picture/long term may be off topic but the healthcare debacle to me is a perfect example of just how truly fucked up the system is. This issue is absolutely critical not just to individuals (like me; I’ve been uninsured for 10 years) and to the country as a whole (we can’t possibly compete in the world without something approaching single-payer). It ought to be non-partisan; every side has something huge to lose. If elected representatives can’t take this major issue seriously and do something that actually fixes it, I have zero faith in them fixing anything else. And there’s a lot to fix.
Solid points, WEX. I believe that resentment against the duopoly is at it’s greatest ever. More people call themselves Independents now than either the D’s or R’s. All we need to show is some numbers and the window would begin to shift.
That said, I will once again quote my Dad:” Nothing fundamental changes in this country without a full-blown, system threatening crisis. This has happened only twice in our history,- the Civil War and the Great Depression.”
Therefore, Hotflashcarol, me and my pop would have to agree with you when you say:
Judging from my informal of NYTimes comments, more and more people are in agreement.
“Everytime I think I’m a Republican, they do something greedy. Every time I think I’m a Democrat, they do something stupid.”
-Jay Leno (about 10 years ago)
Now they’re all greedy and stupid.
Good post, Jon.
You guys are making this to easy for the Tea Party and the Republicans. Congrats to Harry Reid & Nancy Pelosi who have now alienated 70% of the American electorate. If they wanted to score points with the electorate, it would be easy:
1. Drop Health Care period.
2. Use all Tarp funds to pay down the debt, to reduce credit rating agencies fears that the US will lose it’s AAA rating. This will assauge the independents.
3. Stop all Stimulus spending unless it is tied to specific shovel ready jobs for projects which demonstrably will be necessary over the next decade. i.e. Transportation, Electrical, Energy Production & Flood Levy infrastructure projects, not field mouse studies, High Speed Trains to Nowhere, and ice cream museums. Everyone’s a winner here.
4. Pass legislation that eliminates the $60 Billion annual losses from Medicare/Medicaid fraud. I wouldn’t even care if they allowed the Trial Lawyers a 33% contingency fee to act as Private Attorneys General for the Federal Government if it eliminated or reduced Fraud in so doing. Everyone’s a winner here.
5. Reduce the projected Budget Deficits to no more than $500 Billion/year for the next 10 years. Trillion Dollar+ deficits will be the end of Obama and the Democratic Party…and perhaps worse.
6. If these things happened…Independents and moderate Republicans would breathe a sigh of relief…They will probably happen anyway, so why not get out in front on these issues…
7. The free spending days of Stimulus are dead. DEAD. Social reform is DEAD. All people care about is JOBS. SO why not reform the financial structure in a rational way as set forth above…then start with a quick public debate on Jobs. You need capital and political will to solve the Jobs issue. Right now, the Administration and Congress has neither. So absent some serious fiscal restraint as outlined above, any Jobs Bill will be half assed an ineffectual and will not save the Democrats.
Where were all your “fiscal conservatives” for the period of ’01 – ’08?
Where were they when Bush was using gimmicks to hide the size of the debt increases with “emergency supplements”?
How do we know the votes haven’t already been rigged? We saw the 2004 election manipulated by computers and the “mastermind” of that plot assassinated just before he was to start answering questions about it. And today, Congressional weasels are clearly configuring their legislation to please corporations while exhibiting arrogant disdain and utter disregard for the way voters respond. They clearly just don’t give a damn about voter outrage.
It may be that our votes are no longer counted at all, but merely conjured up on computers by corporate wonks based on which candidate has licked the CEO’s boots most thoroughly. “Wow, an upset victory in Massachusetts! Republican unexpectedly wins Ted Kennedy’s seat!” Uh-huh. Coakley & Brown both announced their intent with regard to HCR before the vote. Maybe AHIP-PhRMA oligarchs just chose the winner based upon their own criteria.
Yes, I may just be paranoid, but how can the supposed Democrats be so deliberately making all of the worst choices day after day, in seeming total disregard for the voices of the people? If the corporates own and control the voting infrastructure, our votes don’t count, and only theirs do.
Here’s a link about the vote rigger and his untimely death:
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Killed_GOP_pilot_suspected_plane_had_1222.html
LOL!
(healthcare is a human right, nonviolence — it’s just extremism everywhere)
It is difficult to be a Democrat in Congress, to have sufficient self-delusion to talk populist while voting corporate, but I guess somebody’s got to do it. The proposed giveaway to the big insurers, misnamed HCR, has been just another example.
Democrats are walking a tightrope. They have to sell the lie that they are on the people’s side while doing the corporation’s bidding. This is the DLC trianglations strategey which is doomed to failure from the get-go. lets face it… the Democrats will NEVER deliver on health care or any other issue. Lets face it.. Its time to we kill the farcical false opposition democratic party and forge coalitions within the then exposed one party government by voting third party. Its time to remove the pawl from the rightward ratchet that is the role the demoncrat party. I completely agree with Michael; there are no quick fixes to the mess we find ourselves in: http://www.stopmebeforeivoteagain.org/stopme/
What good is it to have a job while dying from not having access to any form of health care except for a free clinic every 10 years or so? That’s why 45,000 Americans die each year, not having access to health care, with the insurance takeover of the American health care system. In addition, according to the Journal of the American Medical Association, 225,000 Americans die from medical mistakes each year, a large portion of which are caused by unecessary surgery. A recent study showed that the excessive use of CT scans in the United States causes 4000 cancers each year. All of these things show how broken the American insurance-run and rationed (by denial and recission to pad the bottom line) death care system is.
Well, I can’t disagree with your suggestion that votes aren’t being counted properly. They probably aren’t. But what I’m referring to is the wholesale replacement of all paper ballots with electronic voting. This would leave no paper trail.
When we’re getting to the point where we can’t trust our own government to run its elections fairly, it kinda makes you wonder what we’re doing “spreading democracy” anywhere. If I were a third world person, I’d be looking at our political system and making sure I attended my Chinese language lessons.
Hi Wex, we gave them some reason to think that the jig is up in Massachusetts, but Congressional Democrats don’t seem to have learned the lesson. As for Obama, he figures the economy will better by 2012 so he can be re-elected whatever happens on 2010. I think we need a new party, too.
You are completely correct. However, what you are asking is that one leopard changes his spots, one skunk changes her perfume and the third stooge can learn to be a leader not a campaigner. Good luck with those efforts.