The whole purpose of the Stupak amendment was to give Democrats in close districts the ability to point to their health care vote and say “see, I know it’s a giant bailout for Aetna and PhRMA, but it pisses off liberals and it’s a huge setback for abortion rights.” And that’s exactly what Steve Driehaus did after his November vote:
It didn’t take 48 hours after Steve Driehaus, D-West Price Hill, voted for a health-care reform bill in the House of Representatives on Saturday night for political opponents to use the vote against him in what’s expected to be a tough November 2010 re-election bid.
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“I had drawn a line in the sand early on about not spending federal dollars on abortions,” he added. “Look, this is a competitive district. It will remain a competitive district. I think the voters will face a choice. Do they want to go back to where we were or do they want to move forward?”
They thought they could take a page from the Republican playbook: rip off the country while they keep the base happy by throwing them red meat on social issues. The trouble is, Driehaus is a Democrat. It was the wrong base.
Polling in Vic Snyder’s district (AR-02) and Steve Driehaus’s district (OH-01) should have shown that they were close. Both districts were rated “tossups” by Cook’s Political report. Instead, polls by SurveyUSA for FDL showed both Driehaus and Snyder trailing 17 points to their Republican opponents. Snyder and Driehaus voted for the Stupak amendment. It didn’t seem to provide much insulation from the prevailing tide of sentiment in their districts against the the health care bill.
This weekend, on the day after the poll was released, Driehaus decided to double down on Stupak and hand control of his vote over to the Catholic bishops:
“I would certainly hope the (abortion) language adopted would also allow the Catholic Bishops to support the legislation as well,” Driehaus said.
For the life of me, I can’t understand how this is Driehaus’s takeaway. I certainly hope Martha Coakley wins in Massachusetts, her opponent is a neanderthal. But it’s ironic that as a pro-choice woman, one of the first things she’ll have to do is cast a vote for a bill that sets womens’ reproductive rights back a generation as the price of bailing out the insurance companies. Many Democrats have cited this fact for their lack of enthusiasm about the Coakley race, but that’s not her fault. That’s the fault of Steve Driehaus, Bart Stupak and the geniuses who thought they could jam this on the Democratic base as a way to get conservative buy-in for their vote on a bill forcing Americans to pay almost as much as they do in federal taxes to private insurance companies. They thought that if they pissed of liberals, nobody would notice that these companies have protected monopolies, no regulation and no cost controls. But it didn’t work.
Every poll imaginable says that Tuesday’s election will be about turnout, and Coakley is suffering from an enthusiasm gap:
Brown’s voters continue to be much more enthusiastic than Coakley’s. 80% of his say they’re ‘very excited’ about voting Tuesday while only 60% of hers express that sentiment.
Driehaus beat Chabot by roughly 15,000 votes in the last election. And now Driehaus is hoping to inspire Catholics in the district with his strong anti-abortion stance, but Catholics across the country are pretty close to the general public on the issue. Moreover, the independents Driehaus seems anxious to woo track with Democrats on the issue (59% of both think abortion should be all- or mostly legal).
The underlying assumption that Driehaus is embracing is that Democrats will be so invested in his reelection that he can woo Republicans who will never vote for anyone with a “D” next to their name by demagoguing the abortion issue, and that Democrats will just show up for him no matter what. But this is just not going to be an “abortion” election. According to a National Journal/Heartland Monitor poll, that isn’t what voters care about right now:
With a poll of likely voters showing Driehaus 17 points down to his Republican opponent, there appears to be a more important takeaway: the Democrats have 10 months before the 2010 election to stand up to the banks, insurance and pharmaceutical companies and show that they really can be the party of reform. If he wants to save his seat, Driehaus should get in front of that parade and insist that the mandate and penalties come out of the bill — something 70% of the people in his district think is “unfair.” Because that is something that progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans agree on.





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I think we can partly blame Coakley for the lack of excitement on the Democratic side. She may be pro-choice but she hasn’t come out saying she is going to vote against this healthcare bill as it stands now. She also hasn’t said she will vote against any healthcare bill without a strong public option. I am done supporting democrats until they start voting the way I want them to vote.
If they want my vote I will continue telling them how they can get it.
Sorry Jane, You may hope Coakley wins – but I don’t. I hope Dems stay home & she loses huge! I don’t know if Obama & team will “get” the message if she loses, but they surely won’t if she wins.
Obama’s been in office for a full year, his record is shameful. As Jon has ably explained meaningful HCR doesn’t have to end with Coakley’s loss; it’s up to Obama. He can blame Coakley, he can blame you, or he can man-up & fight for the ideals he preached back on the campaign trail.
Hear, hear.
It doesn’t matter what anyone hopes for in tomorrow’s election. The fix is in.
What a neanderthal!
This is really depressing. For the past few days arguments have been made that no one will listen to the message those of us making protest votes tomorrow are trying to send. If right-wing Dems refuse to listen to voters and they refuse to draw the right conclusions from polling data, what hope is there that we can get the party to change it’s behavior in time for the mid-terms?
The thought of having to look at Rove’s smug face on a regular basis again is revolting. And yet, Dems seem bound and determined to keep driving themselves right off a cliff. I don’t get it.
While that is certainly true, the problem is that that means they have to fight and win against Team Obama. Either that or Obama has to completely flip his politics and not just play silly games pretending to reign in “fat cat bankers” with more empty rhetoric.
The opposing Ds (and Sanders) don’t have position on the field and Obama is not giving up the ball.
I also hope Coakley loses, you say Brown is a neanderthal but who is worse a person who votes for and against what they believe like Brown or a person like Coakely who is willing to vote against what she and her supporters believe in order to get any bill passed? I may disagree with a guy like Brown but at least I can respect that, I cant respect a person who sells out people who vote for her. A loss in Massachusetts may be the best thing that cld happen to the dems. They need to learn once and for all that selling out the people who elected you has consequences.
Same here I too hope she loses. If anything it means that in order to pass any legislation we have to use reconciliation or try to do something about the filibuster. Either or I’d rather have progressive legislation rather than this neo-liberal DLC bullshit and I’d also rather have nothing at all than then neo-Liberal DLC bullshit.
Her loss is also the only want to nationalize the campaign considering the dems have huge majorities and cant do a damned thing with them, at least they can run against obstructionist republicans.
Ain’t it the truth? Who was it that said, “no one ever went broke underestimating the ignorance of the average American voter”?
Probably me.
It’s a more diplomatic variation on Jay Gould’s, “I can hire one half of the working class to kill the other half.”
Only when a united progressive pact can figure out a way to actually change this is there any possibility of organizing the mass movement it will take to crush the Bilderbergers in their never ending quest to fool most of the people most of the time.
But until then let’s give the Devils their due: They’re fucking brilliant at it!!!
I also hope Coakley loses.
If nothing else, it will be fun to watch Kos, Balloon Juice, and the others screech about how those counterproductive, pony-wishing, WATB progressive bloggers cost them “Teddy’s seat”.
When in fact, if you approached a random Massachusetts resident on Tuesday to ask them why they’re not voting, not 1 in a 1,000 would even know what Daily Kos is.
Meanwhile, Republicans go around hating on the Democrats’ plans to screw over the American people.
But what’s there for a Republican not to like? It’s a giant bailout for Aetna and PhRMA. It pisses off liberals. And it’s a huge setback for abortion rights.
Just sit back and enjoy the kabuki!
I’m confused.
In the democratic primary campaign, Coakley promised she would vote against the health care reform bills if they undermined abortion rights and was roundly criticized for this by Capuano. Has she really gone back on this promise already?
Seriously, a long look in the mirror is required for some folks around here.
Openly rooting for a Republican to win in order to punish the Democratic Party? What the hell kind of message does that send?
If you think it’s “Well, now they’ll listen to us”, you have no grasp of how the message will be spun by the media and the pollsters
It will become “Well, the progressive left is completely unreliable so we HAVE to run right.”
You’re right: they surely won’t get the message if she wins. I hope Coakley loses, too. I hope they also see a boatload of write-in votes and votes for Kennedy. To me, that will indicate that the electorate feels they indeed have “somewhere to go,” despite what Rahm thinks.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch …
The myth spinners are already blaming congress, P.M. Carpenter’s latest post says the White House has been telling them to get-er-done, so they can get on to creating *** JOBS *** but those congress-critters just won’t listen, and have been wasting time arguing HCR so it’s all their fault.
I’d say that’s a complete fabrication; congress has been following the White House’s directions to the letter, and it’s Obama-Rahma that has to carry the weight of blame for squandering the opportunity they’ve been given by the voters.
The main difference now, is that the voters are making themselves clear that they will no longer be satisfied with smoke and mirrors.
Washington may be uncomfortable with the noise, but they’ve obviously decided that the right response is more smoke.
Protest votes by progressives will add to the votes of fired up Republicans and independents who think they are voting against corruption.
If Coakley loses it won’t be because of the absence of progressive boots on the ground in get out the vote activities, it will be because of the reluctance of those voters to get out in order to send a protest vote or in order to fight corruption or in order to teach Coakley and Democrats not to “take us for granted”.
But the media narrative will be about the rejection of Obama’s move to the left. And his trying to do too much too soon. And it is that narrative that will spook fence-sitters in Congress.
The time to have cast a protest vote against Coakley was in the primary.
She can’t have gone back on this promise yet because:
1. She hasn’t been elected/
2. She hasn’t been presented with the form of the bill she would actually have to vote on.
Do an experiment. Make sure she gets elected, watch how she acts, and then in two years (the end of Kennedy’s term), you will have the chance to vote on a primary challenge (maybe), reject her, or re-elect her.
The media, the pollsters, and the DLC’ers can spin it all they want, but you can bet that, inside the White House, there will be some major nailbiting and reassessing going on. Maybe for the better.
If Coakley wins, HCR will pass, and then the spin will really kick into high gear. I’ll take “we lost because…” spin over “the American people want our version of HCR!” spin any day of the week.
You should put that up as a diary.
Here’s a fresh article which discusses many of these issues:
Both sides look to turn out voters in Senate race – Yahoo! NewsJan 18, 2010 … Democrats and Republicans ramped up election eve get-out-the-vote efforts Monday in their close battle for a Massachusetts Senate seat that …
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/…/ap_on…/us_massachusetts_senate – 7 minutes ago
Yeah, nailbiting and reassessing. Just not in the direction you think.
Who do you think has Obama’s ear? The same DLC that you disdain. So of course he’s going to listen and think that they’ve misread the popular sentiment of the country and are going to move even more to the right than they are now.
When have you ever heard of a scared politician running to the LEFT? I’d love to see that…I’ve never met a mythical creature before.
She won’t HAVE to vote for it.
So what do you think Obama will do?
Switch parties to Republican?
Staff his re-election with Independents?
Well said.
Funny, on December 8th the Senate Dems hadn’t sold us out. What was the protest supposed to be? Against Martha’s promise to vote against the HCR bill if it contained anti-abortion language in the end? Umm, no. That was considered a good thing. In fact it cost Capuano when he initially said he supported the Stupak version of the House bill.
The Senate didn’t get around to finally selling out the public option until after the primary. And the Dorgan reimportation disaster went down shortly before Christmas.
Tell me, what was I supposed to be protesting against on Dec. 8th? Back then the individual mandate was balanced by the possibility of a P.O., there was still labor opposition to the excise tax, and “pro-choice” legislators were going to rid us of the odious abortion language. Everything was supposed to be fixed by Obama’s magic wand in the conference committee, remember?
I didn’t like the bill a whole lot, but I was willing to buy into the “lets build a foundation that we can put a proper house on later” arguments. Dorgan’s drug reimporation amendment debacle was the last straw for me. Until then I was in the “hold my nose and vote for Coakley camp”. Not. any. more.
Jane your opinion runs contrary to 90% of the posters here at FDL over the last few days on this particular issue .
Go onto the Boston globe and look at what is said in the comment section by overwhelmingly non progressive voters , they’ve had it with the democrats and what your advocating will be little more than applying the gas pedal to a political party about to drive off a cliff .
You also need to pay attention to your base .
They exhibit no fear, constirnation yes, but not fear.
I’d love to think we can put some fear into ObamaRahmCo, but they are some decidedly self-satisfied guys who think they have done enough for us already by defeating the Republicans.
It’s not enough to take the helm, you have to change course, and so far the compass is still pointing south.
But you don’t want anything from us, those who will refrain from voting for bad Democratic candidates.
Uh-huh.
When will you guys learn that demands won’t cut it, and that you have to ask nicely, pretty please?
I don’t know what he’ll do…but he WON’T do what you think he’ll do simply because that runs counter to Political Strategy 101.
Voter turnout is normally low in special elections, but even in staunchly Democratic Massachusetts, apprehension about Obama’s health care overhaul is fueling a huge wave of populist support for Brown. Another imponderable is a fresh winter snow that could cause hardships for people trying to get out to vote.
Polls show that independents, who make up 51 percent of the state’s electorate, have responded enthusiastically to Brown. His campaign is targeting them as well Republicans, who are outnumbered by Democrats 3-to-1 in the Bay State.
Trying to wrest back the populist mantle, Obama told supporters Sunday that a vote for Brown was a vote to protect Wall Street at the expense of ordinary Americans. The president last week proposed a tax on banks to close a deficit in a bailout fund they and automakers tapped during the financial crisis. Brown and other Republicans oppose the tax, saying it will trickle down to consumers.——————
Both sides look to turn out voters in Senate race – Yahoo! NewsJan 18, 2010 … Democrats and Republicans ramped up election eve get-out-the-vote efforts Monday in their close battle for a Massachusetts Senate seat that …
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/…/ap_on…/us_massachusetts_senate – 7 minutes ago
Who cares? I want her to lose to kill this insurance bill dead. I could care less what lesson Obama and the DLC take from it other than they got fucked.
Didn’t Jim Cooper in Tennessee do something similar, trying to have it both ways to make both of his two constituencies happy?
agree. agree although Capuano was a flippy flopper until that primary – then had his come-to-PO-jeebus moment
Who’s demanding?
I’m telling you what 4 years of study in Political Science and a degree emphasizing Political Campaigns and Elections as well as American Government tells me – politicians do not become more liberal when they are threatened. They become more conservative.
Jane is not beholden to our opinions I don’t think. Her opinion is rightfully her business.
look at the preceeding post and the post after this – they are going to pass this monstrosity
Not. Any. More. Damn straight.
Any one of these guys who wants me to vote otherwise better cozy on up real nice to me. Funny thing is, while these DLC types have no problem with advising me to take bad-tasting medicine, they apparently have an extreme aversion to taking any bad-tasting medicine themselves.
And apparently, being nice and sweet to the likes of you and me is what these types regard as bad-tasting medicine.
Who would Jason Rosenbaum vote for?
More conservative with 59 Senate votes, and a bloodbath in Nov on the way? Ha!
Doesn’t this amount to lesser-of-two-evils thinking? I understand your point, and I won’t be unhappy if she wins, but I’m not willing to support her with a $ contribution (the DSCC has sent emails daily asking me to do so).
It’s just noise. They’re trying to hold the House together and dampen the enthusiasm against Coakley in Mass.
Jane ,
Go back and look at Jason’s Pissed Off Progressive thread again ,which you thought was worth reposting on your front page, it’s like a lightning rod .
He’s hopelessly out numbered by regular posters who could’nt disagree with his opinion more strongly . Who will be left to prevent a bloodbath in Novembers mid term elections ?
Well, fine, then. My vote is mine to do with as I please, and you’ve given me no reason to change my voting behaviour.
Better be more persuasive ;-)
And what exactly makes them less conservative? All the campaign contributions from corporate lobbyists perhaps.
No kidding. Honest to God, if they are going to ignore my interests no matter what I do, wtf is the point of supporting Dems in the first place?
I support them. They ignore me.
I withhold my vote. They ignore me.
I get it. After awhile being invisible sucks. I’ll go see if there is someone else who is actually willing to let me play in their reindeer games.
This is one of the oddest elections I’ve ever seen. Not many weeks ago everyone wanted Coakley to win – to keep Ted’s seat. Now it’s as if she is the wicked witch.
I don’t live in Ma and know little or nothing about her but I have a feeling that at least some on the left have been “spun.”
Ohio’s first congressional district is dead even in party registration. It probably tracks with the slight majority of americans who think that abortion should be always or usually legal.
On the other hand, it probably ALSO tracks with the 67% of americans who say that tax money should not be used for abortions. (Quinnipiac 1/10/2010)
It’s an issue for dem house members.
I wish somebody would run on a platform of impoverishing and forcibly impregnating Rahm Emmanuel, then sending him to Gaza.
The whoosing noise you heard was the point going clear over your head.
did you take the survey freeman? did you read the results? Or were you trying to log onto free republic?
“I’m telling you what 4 years of study in Political Science and a degree emphasizing Political Campaigns and Elections as well as American Government tells me – politicians do not become more liberal when they are threatened. They become more conservative.”
Where do you work?
I tried to say something similar last night in my diary “Coakley, HCR, and Republican Spin.”
The Republicans with their spin have done a far better job of framing the health care debate in the lead-up to Tuesday’s special election in Massachusetts than progressives have.
I don’t agree with this assertion, though. It’s the product of either/or thinking that sustains the corrupt system. I won’t actively support Brown, but progressives have every reason to cast a protest vote by voting for a write-in candidate or a third party candidate once they get to the voting booth.
Like the last year of democratic majorities in both houses of congress , the Obama presidency and the results have gone over yours.
Where were you during the MA democratic primary? Why didn’t you put the influence and muscle of Firedoglake to good use to get a (more) progressive candidate elected at that point?
I am extremely frustrated that so many out-of-state liberal bloggers are weighing in at this point when we needed your help in the primary two months ago.
I have to wonder how many here who want Coakley to lose are registered MA voters.
frankly, I wasn’t paying much attention until late last week – simply because I couldn’t imagine any Dem losing Teddy’s seat to a Teabagger – is Creigh Deeds managing her campaign ???
what were “out of state liberal bloggers” supposed to do for martha that she couldnt do herself? apparently, massachusetts dems dont care if shes elected or not, and i dont blame them
If the democratic party can’t even make the connection that they are losing because they are alienating their base, then obviously they don’t care what we have to say. So why should we vote for them?
Same percentage as those who want her to win, doubtless.
National polls indicate what this election is making clear in a state that made this seat safe for democrats for 30 years , there is going to be a blood bath in November and that isn’t even with the likely demise of campaign finance reform thrown in .
or more relevant to this thread, why should their Apologists care what we say either? thought we were irrelevant!?.assholes.
yes thats looking to be true, go on.
So Massachusetts gets punished for what Rahm and Reid did to the drug reimportation vote? Well, given that Kerry carried water for PhRMA, that does make a little sense.
Having gone through the Helms era in NC, let me tell you that Massachusetts progressives will get sick of seeing Scott Brown’s face within three months of his being seated in the Senate. And in six years, he might be difficult to dislodge (or discabot, either).
I work for a school district.
What does that have to do with the price of tomatoes?
Yep and something has gone terribly wrong. Blame is being thrown around and reasons given but none of it makes much sense in political terms.
But, Spotts1701, and I say this with no intention of sounding glib, how can the White House possibly become even more conservative than they already are and still hold onto even the OFA-types? And how can they become even more conservative and still expect Congressional Dems to vote in lockstep?
You know a lot more than me about political strategy than I do, but I just don’t see how they can go further to the right than they already have and still expect even the most centrist Democrat to fall in line.
Because principle are not as important as support for the party even when it pisses all over you ?
I always figured that whoever took over from GW would likely be a one termer. The problems he created are just too tough to be corrected in four years.
Chances are good that the gopers will take over again in 2012. Doesn’t seem fair but that’s how it’s looking.
And in November they will all be punished en masse if they don’t get the message NOW !
commenter please
as per my 57 above, why is this even close ?
That figure comprises Democrats and Republicans. Does he think Republicans are going to show up for him?
There are anti-choice Democrats who didn’t feel like they had to go to the mat over this one. I’m puzzled why he thinks this is his winning “issue” when it will only piss off many Democrats, and it isn’t the issue that is going to drive people to the polls on either side.
Because we’re reaching the point where Congressional Democrats will be more interested in saving their political hides than sticking with the Administration.
and what would the white house gain by becoming “even more right”? obviously, the rightward lurch they took after the election didnt help them either. independents dont matter after the base takes a walk. republican hate him, and thats never going to change. looks like we are all smarter than rahmbo.
“This is the best we can hope for …”
“We don’t have the votes …”
“We’ve got to keep Ted’s seat …”
“It’s all the republican’s fault …”
“We’ll fix it later …”
That’s what spin looks like.
I respectfully disagree with your observation, IMHO, some on the left have taken a stand that they will no longer be satisfied with being spun, and we expect some genuine progress.
Our country’s dire situation calls for substantive action, and so far we’ve recieved nothing but excuses.
The elections in 2010 and 2012 will be primarily decided by the state of the economy-and the perceived success of the Obama stand against terrorist attacks.
If the economy sucks, people will be primarily concerned about the cost of health care reform- regardless of the actual costs, and they will hold it against dems. If the unemployment rate goes down to 8% or less, and we see GDP growth of 3%- dems will hold their own.
Curious if you were a Gruber.
Imagine the disappointment the insurance company lobbyists and CEO’s will feel if their guaranteed cut of your income is snatched from their grasp by a Coakley loss, and a bunch of timorous sellouts in the house decide they’d rather not share her fate. I wonder if the lobbyists will exepect the cash back?
I would if I were them.
Jane,
I have said in the past couple of weeks that we shouldn’t get in the way of establishment Democrats defeating themselves in 2010.
If we come across as actively working for their defeat, they’d use it to take the blame off themselves (blame they so richly deserve), cast it onto us, and go back to business as usual in 2011.
The Dems might not want to get the message or be quick learners, so it’s the opinion of the American people that we have to worry about.
All that said, I don’t think we have to come across as lukewarm supporters of DLC-approved, sellout, establishment Dem candidates in 2010, either.
The white house can do what ever it wants to , it’s looking pretty right now . House democrats have a choice as is abundantly clear , change or be thrown out of office in the mid terms .
I still don’t hear any of those supporting Coakley disputing that .
good excercise. i feel better already doc.
I’m no politician, but I doubt that many of em want to be seen as “for” something opposed by 67% of the voters- those numbers are WAY too strong.
You may be right about the issue not affecting votes for many voters- but even a swing of a few points puts this guy into retirement.
I don’t disagree with you. But I think the Rs have been quietly spinning away and as usual, doing a very good job of it. I wish I could be on the ground in Ma because I would just like to listen to people talking. I worked hard in politics for over 30 years and this is a very unique situation and it’s puzzling. I never underestimate the Rs – they are extremely devious and clever. The rage that has shown up here at FDL just in the last few days – rage at Coakley – is worth watching.
Yep, I’m gonna make decisions in Nov based on polls in Jan. I also ignore the Chicken Littles of the world.
I wonder if the DSCC cares about whether the Americans they’re constantly asking to help elect this DLC-approved candidate get elected by making financial contributions are registered MA voters.
I don’t want Coakley to lose, but I’m not going to contribute money to help her win.
Hallelujah !
Don’t the people of Massachusetts get a do-over on this seat in only 2 years?
yes
It just became apparent that Tuesday is a real race.
What did you think of Obama praising the Senate HCR bill?
More likely is that he’ll suppress Democratic turnout further by making a big issue of it, when he could be taking up a populist economic fight that enfranchises both sides.
Which is why as far a protest vote for a US semator , this is made to order.
They won’t have a chance to get the message if they are hunkered down behind their desks in Congress waiting for the roof to fall in. You see, they hae bought the media narrative about being cautious. Now they will buy the narrative that they were not cautious enough.
There is a long time between now and November for them to get the message. And part of that time must be used in a campaign to “fix the health care bill”. Because whatever comes out of the sausage grinder will have the Republicans starting a campaign to repeal the bill. If you can determine what the public finds objectionable with the bill (and it’s not government taking away our Medicare until Pete Peterson gets his way), the that becomes your agenda for fixing the bill. You seek a mandate in November on that basis and put up some long shot candidates in Republican strongholds. And in November the issue will be clarified instead of being further muddled with the “Republicans on a comeback” narrative.
I have a fairly sizeable list of Republicans in Congress who should get the message NOW that their constituents are not as dumb as the GOPers think. Putting up some Alan-Grayson style progressives in those districts should have a salutary effect. But no. Doing too little, too late is a habit of the current progressive learned helplessness. Scott Brown was not intimidated by running in “dark blue” Massachusetts. So, why do we continue to write off, say Boehner’s district, or Cantor’s, or the US Senate in Kentucky or taking down turncoat Richard Shelby in Alabama?
Then why are you in favor of sending him an ally to achieve what you say will be bad for democrats ?
Masschusetts elected a Republican Governor a few years back, Mitt Romney, (who used Gruber as a key architect of2006 Mass. Health CareReform,btw.)
I went to Wiki for some particulars about that race. Thought there might be some illumination, so justfor the record:
Romney was elected Governor in November 2002 with 50 percent of the vote over his Democratic opponent, Massachusetts State Treasurer Shannon O’Brien,[53] who received 45 percent of the vote.[57]
Tenure, 2003–2007
.Romney was sworn in as the 70th governor of Massachusetts on January 2, 2003. Through a combination of spending cuts, increased fees, and removal of corporate tax loopholes, by 2006 the state had a $700 million surplus and was able to cut taxes.[59][60]
The combined state and local fee burden in Massachusetts increased during Romney’s governorship but still was below the national average.[61] According to the Tax Foundation, that per capita burden was 9.8% in 2002 (below the national average of 10.3%), and 10.5% in 2006 (below the national average of 10.8%).[64]
On April 12, 2006, Romney signed the Massachusetts health reform law which requires nearly all Massachusetts residents to buy health insurance coverage or face the loss of their personal income tax exemption. The bill also establishes means-tested state subsidies for people who do not have adequate employer insurance and who make below an income threshold, by using funds previously designated to compensate for the health costs of the uninsured.[65][66][67] He vetoed eight sections of the health care legislation, including an employer assessment[68] and provisions providing health coverage to senior and disabled legal immigrants not eligible for federal Medicaid.[69][70] The legislature overrode all eight vetoes. Romney’s communications director Eric Fehrnstrom responded saying “These differences with the Legislature are not essential to the goal of getting everyone covered with insurance.”
Wiki
We will not be stuck with Brown for 6 years, this is a special election. It goes up for grabs again in 2012. Hopefully by then Dems will have recovered their sanity, and progressives can recapture the seat. Or maybe you DLC apologists will forever banish us hippie New England liberals to the political wilderness where we will wander lost for a decade or two trying to figure out plan b, leaving you with a Republican in that seat for the next decade. Great plan you got there.
Both Kerry and Kirk voted against the drug reimportation amendment after telling voters for like forever that they (referring to Teddy here, but Kirk was supposed to be his doppelganger until his replacement got seated) supported it. Then, to add insult to injury Kerry’s office claimed he still supported it after he voted against it!
So to translate. Kerry lied. And given all of Obama’s broken promises this past year and Reid and Pelosi’s broken promises, it seems safe to deduce that the DLC candidate in our special election is not above breaking her word to voters either.
Explain to me why I should cast a vote in support of a group of people who have lied to me repeatedly.
Preferably after you explain what it was I supposed to be protesting against on Dec. 8th.
Just a reminder to actual MA voters: phred has a diary up on the technicalities/requirements for write-in voting, in case you can’t hold your nose + vote for Coakley, can’t live with yourself if you vote for Brown, and want you vote to signify something.
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/24610
There have been letters there & elsewhere encouraging folks to write LTEs, blog entries, etc. explaining “I refused to support Coakley, [and wrote in a candidate], and here’s why.” With enough of those floating around, there mi]ght be a basis for countering the anticipated media love fest for the Republican “victory.”]
How will they get the message you gonna write you congress person another letter they’ll never look at ?
Are you gonna set up the Dump Brown campaign now or wait until October of 2012 and wonder why the incumbent has so much power?
You think you’ll have a Democratic candidate better than Coakley in 2012?
Dem congress critters in marginal districts probably need to see a track record of success with that strategy before signing up for it. What they know for sure is that their gooper opponents would do their best to hang the vote around their necks come November.
Seems to me that the bottom line is that the odds are piss poor of getting a politician to do something that he or she perceives to be dangerous to their re-election chances- and any argument that they will NOT be punished at the polls better be damned good to be effective.
It seems clear to me, that the rage is not at Coakley, she’s just caught in the crossfire.
The rage, let’s be charitible and call it an agressive tactical change-up, is aimed squarely at the White House and the fact that the White House is still in denial about what it really means would even more infuriating, except that’s not really possible.
The only thing any of our “representatives” take seriously is their interruption at the feeding troth . Threaten their political survival and you will get their attention .
In the case of Obama and Rahm I think the corporate agenda is more important than the survival of the party .Bush destroyed the republicans which put the democrats in the drivers seat , now the democrats are just throwing the ball back to the Republicans so the cycle can begin over again .
When you realise the game is rigged you get up from the table !
Jane, I’m far from Mass. so I don’t get a vote, but I get to contribute, & contribute I did. Coakley SHOULD lose & you’re right she should lose because Dem. voters SHOULD PROTEST to Obama’s first year! I have trouble thinking of an important campaign promise he HASN’T walked away from, can you? Worse, he’s mismanaged what he’s passed. And, worse than that he’s shown us his team is every bit as sleezy & corrupt as his predecessor’s. So, why elect another Dem. to the Senate to help him continue what he’s doing?
This seems to me a very silly time to draw the line on single issues, i.e. abortion rights, especially since Coakley’s already run away from its importance.
My cat would be a better Democratic candidate than Coakley, and he died last year.
The party’s pass power back and forth thats the variable .
The only constant is the corporations and their agenda .
“But the media narrative will be about the rejection of Obama’s move to the left. And his trying to do too much too soon. And it is that narrative that will spook fence-sitters in Congress.”
When arguments for voting against unprincipled Dems. are reduced to considerations, not about principles but about media narratives, then principled voters might as well just [Edited by Moderator: This site frowns on suggestions of violence as a problem solving device.]
Fuck this line of argument.
Yeah, you’ll get their attention. They’ll take no chances and become even more entrenched because they will perceive the repudiation as being a result of not playing it safe.
What part of this is not getting through?
You plan to take corporations incrementally out of the picture .
They stand in line to watch Hillary the movie .
So who is the better candidate that you will begin organizing now to take Brown out in 2012?
Your point about December 8 is well taken, but what does that have to do with Coakley? Was there a primary candidate that you would vote for now had they won the primary?
I don’t see how my pointing out that progressive’s failure to pick candidates, get them filed, get them past any primary, do the math, and win the general election makes me a DLC apologist.
If you haven’t done the preparation (and a lot of times when you have), by the time you get to the general election, all you have is the lesser of two evils — and you might as well take the lesser. Because the evil can turn out to be really evil. I would have thought that we had learned that in the last four decades.
Oh we had better not threaten them , is that your perspective .
The problem is, you are not threatening their political survival at all. You are ensuring it.
“Yeah, you’ll get their attention. They’ll take no chances and become even more entrenched because they will perceive the repudiation as being a result of not playing it safe.
What part of this is not getting through?”
I think it’s the part where we have to coddle these little shmucks because of their delicate sensibilities. I’m done caring what they think, they will do as they’re told or they will lose.
“What part of this is not getting through?”
The part that you cannot hold voters accountable for media spin, or willfully idiotic interpretations of politicians?
Apparently quite a few people have gotten into the mindset that the best way to get rid of termites is to firebomb the house.
Brown has gone from 30 pts behind to 5 to 10 pts ahead Sunday.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2010/senate/ma/massachusetts_senate_special_election-1144.html
It’s much more effective than licking them.
But your position amounts to opposing Obama directly in 2010. That would provide OFA-types with ammunition to say that we’re responsible for his unpopularity, when in fact we’re not. He is!
By actively opposing Democrats in 2010, we’d be dismissed, marginalized, irrelevant, while the Democrats would do nothing but make excuses for going further to the right.
In 2010, we should focus on supporting progressive candidates, on expressing disappointment that Democrats in office have decided to thrown away all the momentum they gained in ’06 and ’08 and the opportunity they had to effect real change since Jan 2009, and on saying that we regret that Democrats will face such big electoral losses in 2010 as a result of their actions in ’09.
I do, in fact, regret the fact that Democrats have screwed up so badly in ’09 that Coakley – despite all her flaws – may lose tomorrow to a neanderthal. And I am so disappointed in the Democrats that I couldn’t contribute to the DSCC, despite their repeated requests that I do so.
EXACTLY!
We’ve had enough analysis of the horse race, it’s long past time to discuss substance.
What we are discussing here is whether there is any possible tactic that will achieve that change in perspective.
Some people seem to think that it’s impossible to break the public’s focus on the smoke and mirrors, some people see an opportunity to face the issues directly.
I didn’t vote for Obama to send a signal, I voted for him because I thought he might be a fighter.
So far, I’m disappointed.
Thanks Mauimom, I appreciate the shout-out!
Well, would it be constructive to hope that the Kennedy seat could lead to a New England re-birth of Moderate Republicanism?
(Nah! Probably not with Scott Brown.)
The reason that the democrats are in such poor shape in Mass. is not because of progressives ,it’s because of Obama and Rahm , a poor economy while the people who loose their houses pay for executive bonuses and are forced to give their disposable income to the health insurers against their stated wishes in complete oppostion to the progressive campaign slogans Obama actually ran on .
Obama won an election sounding like a progressive in a virtual landslide and now your say the public wants him to act like a republican ?
Yeah a two year senate seat is really bombing the house .
“Apparently quite a few people have gotten into the mindset that the best way to get rid of termites is to firebomb the house.”
Your option is evidently to keep feeding the termites your house until finally there’s no house left. – that’s just brilliant, it’s been the default Dem. mentality for the past 40 years and with the exception of some victorious social/civil battles, economically and societally Americans have been loosing ground no matter which party was in power, and often even more under the Democrats.
Scent of Violets:
Good one!
(my bold)
Thank you for characterizing the efforts of us MA protesters for what they are, in fact, intended to be. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
I think your diary provides useful information for folks still wrestling with their choice. Glad to let people know of it.
LOL ; )
It’s not just losing the seat. It’s perpetuating the mindset that Congressional Democrats have that too much change is bad – that’s the message they’ll get, and no amount of carping on blogs and in the media about how it was just THIS candidate in THIS race is going to shatter that mindset.
Uh, your quote didn’t come from me. Even though I think what he said was “well said” you’d be better off making your point with the author.
Tarheel
The democrat’s trouble is without the slightest doubt whatsoever their not behaving as they promised to ….. LIKE DEMOCRATS !
But you say they the lesson is that they need to move right .
No, but it could mark a turn in Massachusetts politics toward right-wing conservatism. Don’t ignore the experience of California.
Conservatives see Scott Brown as a beachhead, much as I would see it if Jim Hightower took out John Cornyn.
Oh so they have been too radical for the population in your estimation ? They made good on their promises as well I quess ?
No. And that is the whole point. Please see Watt4Bob at 99 and my inordinate gratitude at 123.
This is about sending an express mail message to Obama.
There is not a one-size-fits-all solution to our problems with the federal government in general and the Democratic leadership in particular. What I am advocating is a two-pronged attack on the status quo. The protest vote tomorrow is intended to be a short-term shot across the bow to get their attention. Your preferred approach of primary challenges is a long-term solution that over time should force change from within. Both should work well together to force the leadership to change course, preferably sooner rather than later.
Yes! exactly, stop feeding the “termites” corporate dems and build a better “house” political system. As long is there is only a two party politicial system progressives will never have their values recognized. More parties mean more choices or no parties at all as many of the founders wanted.
If the rage is against Obama, and I certainly think it is, I’m trying to figure out why Coakley should lose. As I have said before, I don’t know her, and I’m so disgusted with the attitudes on both sides that if I lived in Ma I would not vote at all. We need to focus on being progressives, not throwing tantrums and yelling. This has been far too divisive for our party and we need to get back to business.
Yep, it appears I have company ; )
Are you trying to be obtuse on purpose?
It doesn’t matter HOW they’ve governed – they could have run the country like Rock-Ribbed Republicans and a loss would still send the message that they took too many chances.
That’s the message that they’ll get. How can I possibly make it any plainer.
Unfortunately, the two party system is a direct result of the constitution and electoral system. Other countries give proportional representation to minority parties- so if the “greens” get 10% of the vote- they get 10% of the seats. In the US- a party that gets 10% of vote would likely get ZERO seats and ZERO representation. Of course the 10% of the seats turns into pretty weak hands in most cases- but still it’s representation.
In europe, the coalition building happens after the election- here it happens prior to the election.
Lol, such hadwringing from the ‘vote for the sellouts or they’ll sellout even more’ camp. This routine is not working, it’s broken, and the reason is is that we as voters as Americans buy this line of shit that somehow we shouldn’t expect to be represented by those who we vote for. That we should see our votes as a gesture of vague hope rather than a straight up demand.
Vote the way I expect or lose your seat, congresscreature, you work for me.
Yep
Yep
Two related issues. Yep.
That part is not yet a certainty and provides an opportunity for progressives once whatever bill is passed.
Yep, I agree although there are a lot of people who would argue that his campaign encouraged you to see what you wanted to see.
Where did I say that? What I said was this:
Lodging a protest vote does not threaten ConservaDems. It allows them to claim that their way leads to political survival.
Now, the Beltway conventional wisdom says that the public wants Obama to act like a Republican, and by following that opinion the administration and the Congress have painted themselves into a corner. I don’t like it but it is what it is.
Exactly the long term strategy advanced here is agreed upon enthusiasically but when you are given a club and your adversary is off balance you let them have it !
The two ideas are not mutually exclusive .In fact using the club now makes it more likely we will be taken seriously when we employ the long term strategy in the future .
She needs to lose because it has a high probablity of killing or improving that abomination of a bill. Coakley losing would be a gift to the middle class, not the insurance companies.
Clear?
“That’s the message that they’ll get. How can I possibly make it any plainer.”
That’s BS, or at least unfortunate for the assholes who draw the wrong lessons from the votes. Vote your principles, and the rest will take care of yourselves. Voting based on some ephemeral conclusions the pols. may or may not draw from the voters, is totally inane!!
Just please stop repeating the same assertion over and over without backing it up, for a start. It’s not convincing.
What’s inane is thinking that cheerleading for the loss of a Senate seat in a Democratic stronghold will somehow suddenly make Obama govern like a radical progressive.
Inane! Yes that.
The problem is, you are not threatening their political survival at all. You are ensuring it.
Lodging a protest vote does not threaten ConservaDems. It allows them to claim that their way leads to political survival
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Sorry but for that argument to hold water you would have to assume
1. the democrats have been acting “progressive” in the last year , and then than by tea partiers I’ve never heard them accused of that .
2.the democrats and Obama didn’t win based on the campaign slogans to restore the constitution and take on the corporations and look into Bush criminality where ever it lead .
Maybe that’s why in Europe the govt. is afraid of the people and here we are afraid of the govt.
That’s not at all my line of thinking. Obama and the Senate are a lost cause brought about by 40 years of unthinking partisan hackery. The anti Coakley vote appears to offer one last chance to kill this miserable HC bill.
That’s exactly the point that I don’t understand. It’s just not clear to me what Coakley defeat would accomplish. It MIGHT take out the health insurance plan and after that what? We need to do some planning and not let the anger take over. I am as angry as any progressive but I would like to see down the road a bit.
I can post endlessly Obama’s actions as president and contrast it with the candidates words during the elections . He won running as a progressive and the results of his turning his back on his promises to the electorate are clearly on display in Massachusetts now.
This election is a referendum on Obama .Your doing everything to spin it other wise but the facts don’t jibe.
Ideally, the little sellouts will realize that they’re going to lose their seats without their base, and their base has a few bottom line expectations. Such as if you’re the co-chair of the house progressive caucus, don’t fundraise for a blue dog against a good progressive challenger and expect donations or votes in the future from said base. For starters.
The constitution does not spell out how many political parties there should be. George Washington was not a member of any political party. Adams did not want political parties becasue he felt that this would lead to a strong central federal government.
I have little doubt that’s how the white house and the party leadership will spin it but that is what it is …… spin. They know it and so do all the democrats up for re election in November .
Good idea. Some pressure needs to be brought on the Party not to give money to Blue Dogs. I realize that many people think a Coakley loss is a big blow to Obama but in the long run it isn’t. He’s still President. There have to be better ways.
You don’t have to assume either of those.
All you have to assume is that the ConservaDems will argue that and that the public will buy it. And that is the very message that Scott Brown is pushing, so a victory by Brown proves that the Tea Party analysis is correct. See if that’s not the narrative next Sunday (if Brown wins). Won’t be anyone talking about progressive protest votes.
I think it’s ideal. A perfectly targeted message, given the timing. Fuck up health care, your base stays home and you lose.
Perfect, and I’m so looking forward to that message being delivered, in fact they’re lucky it’s only costing them one seat, rather than ten in Nov. And they have plenty of time to get it right before then.
: )
I think you are giving the Dem pols in DC too much credit. They have a difficult time with getting “messages.” They can happily blame the Progressives, the R’s, the weather or anything else. They are fairly clueless but I wish I had your confidence that the message would get through. :)
If they don’t get this message, they won’t get any message.
Let’s find out just how fucked we are.
Oh they are getting the message, I doubt it is a coincidence that Rahm, I mean Obama started floating the taxing the banks idea about the same time that Coakley was beginning to lose in the polls.
Hmmm. I can’t exactly recall when it was that California politics turned toward right-wing conservatism or what caused it.
I could be content if tomorrow’s election results caused the national Democrats to lift their snouts out of the feed trough wondering what that sound was.
Jane,
Between this post and Blue Texan’s odd and condescending assertions upstairs, I’m guessing that you’ve made a calculation that there’s no point in looking like you didn’t want Coakley to win.
I guess there’s sense in it, though I wouldn’t have taken the enthusiasm for a Coakley win to the level that Blue Texan did upstairs. You’re confusing and even angering your supporters. I just hope there’s a good reason for doing it.
Please think about Firedoglake’s message after the election tomorrow.
I think that Jane is doing what she must do and we have to do what we must.
I would throw Coakley under the bus in a heartbeat in order to defeat Obama’s non-reform HCR. It would be well worth it. Brown will be gone in the next election, anyway, and Coakley is just another Dem corporate whore who will screw the people of her state again and again if she gets into office. So Coakley’s loss is a no-lose proposition to many people here, including me.
You should consider marketing those mind reading skills of yours. I’ve been reading and commenting at FDL and its partner sites for a few years now and I could not begin to think I know what Jane Hamsher is thinking.
As I say, you should market those skills and make some serious money as I’m sure some folks like Rahm would really like to know how Jane’s brain works.
Yes, exactly.
Let’s be done with all the mystery right now, it’s not as if we haven’t been giving them the benefit of the doubt for the last thirty years.
If there’s anything crazy going on, it’s the senseless expectation that we’re suddenly going to paid off in full for the last thirty years of voting for the democrats, if only we just have a bit more patience.
I’ve been behind Jane’s singular focus on health care reform for just that reason.
If the democratic leadership can’t deliver on HCR, there’s no use in expecting them to deliver on any promise, and we’d better get on with plan B.
A lot of people can’t, or don’t want to let go of plan A.
Understanding the necessity of letting go is the first step in ‘growing up’ and if growing up is what has to be done, we might as well get on with it.
It may not make Obama govern like a progressive, but it WILL make him think twice about punking progressives the next time he decides to do something to benefit his friends on Wall Street and in big business. Bait and switch doesn’t work with informed people.
Oh really? You said that electoral losses will make the party move to the right. I don’t think you’ve said anything more than this.
But since your point is whooshing over my head, why don’t you explain it in small words then? Be persuasive.
There’s an unspoken premise behind this statement that should probably be made explicit:
Why, exactly, does avowedly pro-choice Martha Coakley, if elected, “have” to cast a vote “for” Obama’s Senate-midwifed corporate health care bill and its anti-choice provisions??
That unspoken premise looks to me to be the very by-word of Rahm Emanuel, as the Party enforcer for Barack Obama and Reid and Pelosi: Party loyalty, or else, from Democratic Members of Congress. And, provided that such dependent, unprincipled, misguided loyalty is given to the Leaders of the Party Pack, no individual legislator is responsible, or should be held responsible or suffer any consequences, even for a vote that violates the Party platform, constituent wishes, campaign promises, or the common good, so long as the Party leadership decreed that such a vote be cast.
If that is the premise, I won’t repeat my profound disagreement with it, from other recent thread comments here, but it’s certainly ironic to see given the anti-Rahm fervor that has been repeatedly tapped into by this site.
Those in Massachusetts (and elsewhere) – whether Party members or not – who have expressed extreme displeasure with the Democratic Party’s actions in recent polls, are the ones who deserve the credit for the pressure being brought to bear on that Party. But all those (including anyone whose work helped move opinion polls to where they now are, like the principled writers on this site) who may yet end up benefiting from the further unspinnable threat to Party power that others, like phred, may well actually produce with their protest votes on Tuesday, should not lose sight of who actually walked the walk in the voting booth (or by avoiding it), in an effort to improve our collective lot, despite relentless top-down Party pressure to conform to the status quo. Exactly the same way that those in Congress who buck the Party leadership on principle, like Representative Grayson on Auditing the Fed, deserve credit, support, and our thanks.
Everyone at FDL who writes is an individual. Sometimes there are things we undertake collectively, like pressing members to vote “no” if a bill has no public option, or making endorsements of candidates (or not, as we decided to do during the Presidential primaries).
Most of the time people have views that reflect their own opinions. Mine WRT the Coakley matter is that it’s not worth having Brown in the Senate as the price of making the health care bill better, there are better ways to achieve that goal. But I understand if others disagree.
It’s not a race we’ve ever been heavily invested in, and until a couple of days ago nobody thought it was going to be heavily contested. So we didn’t have anyone covering it. Our community has stepped it up and there have been diaries on the race from many different points of view on the Seminal, and I’m glad that there is a lively discussion going on about it in the comments.
This:
and this:
are just too much. What part of “humble”, “nice”, “sweet”, meek”, don’t you get? You want us to suck it up, but you’re unwilling to even be nice about it?
I don’t disagree with that, and I think things are in such a state of flux right now that it’s hard to know the “right” and “wrong” of any course of action. I appreciate everyone’s sincere commitment to doing the right thing, and understand that it may manifest itself in different ways. I respect the efforts of those who are deeply committed to having an impact and effecting progressive change, and there are many here who are exploring different courses for doing that, operating in good faith. I don’t think I’ve got a firm grip on the best course of action by any means — something all of us are trying to figure that out right now. I’m just happy people are here looking for those solutions together.
Yes, I do try to understand Jane and what she’s thinking. I’m not going to apologize for it, as it often turns out that she’s right.
What confused me is that what Jane wrote in this post initially looked like it was part of a coordinated FDL effort, i.e. that she, Blue Texan, Jason and a few others were working toward something that thus far made no sense and appeared to contradict other things that they’ve stood for.
From her comment @ 168, I learned that I was wrong to think there was a coordinated effort.
Regarding tomorrow’s special election, thank you for helping me and others understand FDL’s position – or, more correctly, the positions as being those of individual writers – better.
You’re right about it not having been a race that FDL was heavily invested in.
Until a few days ago, I just deleted the emails from DSCC asking me for money to help Coakley win.
Now I feel the need to state that I am too disappointed in them to want to help by making a $ contribution. (I’ve contributed instead to John Marty, Jonathan Tasini, Marcy Winograd, Dennis Kucinich, Lois Herr and, of course, FDL.) What I’ve been objecting to most of all is Jason and Blue Texan telling people like me that we’re “idiots” and “children who need to grow up” if we don’t want to contribute to help Coakley win. What I’ve learned since coming to Firedoglake is that Democrats have to earn my support.
Anyway, I suppose you’re right about having Brown in the Senate being too high a price to make the health care bill better.
Of course, had the Democrats not screwed up health care reform in the first place, Coakley would be coasting to victory and we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
Driehaus is as good as road kill around here. A week before his vote, he hit the morning airwaves telling Cincy listeners he was a NO vote. Challenged two weeks later, he flatout denied he ever said he would vote no. However, the 150,000 he was recanting to were the same morning listeners who heard first hand what he said.
Although one of the most conservative parts of the country, we can and do vote the issues and candidate because our beliefs and values are more important to us than our party. Driehaus not only betrayed our trust, he lied to us…we never forgive cowards.
Steve couldn’t matchup to the local dog catcher and he knows it. Representing the west side of town – predominately Irish and Italian Catholic and German blue collar immigrants who value family and faith (with the possible exception of Pete Rose).
I suspect he may help you out by standing with Stupak, but only because he knows its over for him and he has to eventually address his religious conscience – too late and irrelevent is Steve Driehaus.
Well said and good choice.
My wife and I began telling the National, State and local Republican party solicitors two years ago no more party donations until they can field candidates who have the courage to support the party values and stop taking payoffs that serves them and not their members. We fully understand its pie-in-the-sky wishful thinking.
We provide donations to candidates regardless the state or the office they are running for. It certainly makes us feel better that we know how and where it hurts them the most.
I sympathize with the plight of your progressive movement, as I have experienced similar issues on my side – but hang in there and don’t ever give up!
Q: What would you do if they try to get what you want, but have to compromise to get legislation passed?
A. Scream and stamp your feet and leave the party.
B. Accept that this is how a political system works.
C. Go out and raise money & get candidates to run for office.
It makes a difference. If all you can do is scream, then nobody will want to listen. If you can’t accept how politics works nobody will bother trying to deal with you.
Martha Coakley has shown she listens to the needs of the public and she’ll be a fine senator for Massachusetts — a senator Teddy would be proud of.
Vote for Coakley!
Really? “shameful”?
Really? You’re kidding, right?
Really? “shameful”? How so?
You’ve got to give the Republicans and far Left credit for their creative rhetoric and stubbornness, but there has to be some recognition of reality.
This is just more reason we need another Dem senator and all the legislative change Obama argued for during the campaign. Bipartisanship? Doesn’t seem to be coming through, no fault of the Dems.
Vote for Coakley!
“see, I know it’s a giant bailout for Aetna and PhRMA, but it pisses off liberals and it’s a huge setback for abortion rights… “I would certainly hope the (abortion) language adopted would also allow the Catholic Bishops to support the legislation as well,” Driehaus said.”
That’s pathetic–what a snivelling little putz. People who toady to every single top-down authoritarian institution squatting the continent don’t belong in democratic government.
“It pisses off liberals” is no excuse. Can we get rid of this guy?
Well, given that there is SO MUCH wrong with this fascist D-Party Senate “health reform” bill, I’m inclined to think that voting for Coakley MERELY because she is pro-abortion and he opponent is a “neanderthal,” is perhaps NOT ENOUGH.
The D-Party has been pushing anti-people economic polices by playing up social issues FOR 40 YEARS. I am no longer interested in permitting that.
I don’t care about Coakley’s career as a professional feminist. The ladies need to get their boots off our collective necks, every bit as much as their R-Party neanderthal DIRECT correlates.
Not buying today.
Driehaus won the seat from Steve Chabot who catored to the “blue-rinse” set in a very Catholic district.Everyone identifies themselves according to what parish they belong to.Chabot was the home-town boy until Driehaus upset him.
With a Republican newspaper and a Republican politics in spite of a Democratic mayor, its hard to make headway here if you’re a Democrat,especially if you are progressive.The Republican out-rage machine is alive and well even at the Board of Elections which is headed by a Democrat.
Local demographics matter.I attended 2 town hall meetings in Driehaus’ district over the summer where Tea Baggers and anti-abortion foes were very thick.The anti-abortion crowd was pretty reasonable.They didn’t want tax dollars paying for abortions.They didn’t necessarily hate Obama or reject health care reform.
There are decent people in Cincinnati but you have to talk to them one-on-one to seek agreement.That is the way politics work.
And continuing to be their lapdog has worked out so well for us to date.
Give me a break, your sort of thinking is what has gotten us where we are today. The Democrats have taken the left for granted and they no longer represent us in any way.
Change is coming, and it isn’t from the Democrats. I hate the notion of teabaggers winning, but the Democrats deserve what they get. They betrayed our trust and now they will lose. Will it suck? Yes. But then again, they weren’t on our side either. So a win in the “D” column means nothing to the people. It just means that Coakley or whoever has been entered into the system and will begin receiving her corporate bribes like the rest of them.
The system is done. Any on the left who continue to support the current administration do themselves or the issues they believe in a disservice. Obama has shown the road he is going to walk and that is most certainly not the road I’m willing to take.
Hope he enjoys his one term in office.
A lot of very economically liberal and good Democrats from the Rust Belt are anti-abortion, like Marcy Kaptur, Jim Oberstar, Dale Kildee, and Tim Ryan. Even Dennis Kucinich was extremely pro-life until 2003. So I don’t think it’s necessarily about Driehaus alienating his base, as many of the Democrats in the area are pro-life yet economically liberal. The Democratic base in Cincinnati is the working-class Slavic/German Catholic union members and African-Americans, both heavily Democratic constituencies that are also generally pro-life in this area. So I don’t think that voting for Stupak will result in Driehaus alienating his base, as many of the Democrats in the area will support that vote.