Up until this point, most of the attention regarding the failure to disclose the connection between Jonathan Gruber and the White House has fallen on Gruber himself. Far more troubling, however, is the lack of disclosure on the part of the White House, the Senate, the DNC and other Democratic leaders who distributed Gruber’s work and cited it as independent validation of their proposals, orchestrating the appearance of broad consensus when in fact it was all part of the same effort.
The White House is placing a giant collective bet on Gruber’s “assumptions” to justify key portions of the Senate bill, which they allowed people to believe was independent verification. Now that we know that Gruber’s work was not that of an independent analyst but rather work performed as a contractor to the White House and paid for by taxpayers, it should be made publicly available so others can judge its merits.
Gruber began negotiating a sole-source contract with the Department of Health and Human Services in February of 2009, for which he was ultimately paid $392,600. The contract called for Gruber to use his statistical model for evaluating alternatives “derived from the President’s health reform proposal.” It was not a research grant, but rather a consulting contract to advise the White House Office of Health Reform, headed by Obama’s health care czar, Nancy-Ann DeParle, to “develop proposals” for health care reform.
How did the feedback loop work? Well, take Gruber’s appearance before the Senate HELP Committee on November 2, 2009, for which he used his microsimulation model to make calculations about small business insurance coverage for his testimony. On the same day, Gruber released an analysis of the House health care bill, which he sent to Ezra Klein of the Washington Post. Ezra published an excerpt.
White House blogger Jesse Lee then promoted both Gruber’s Senate testimony and Ezra Klein’s article on the White House blog. “We thought it would all be a little more open and transparent if we went ahead and published what our focus will be for the day” he said, pointing to Gruber’s “objective analysis.” The “transparent” part apparently stopped when everyone got to Gruber’s contractual relationship to the White House, which nobody in the three-hit triangle bothered to disclose.
But that was child’s play compared to the effort that went into selling Gruber’s analysis of the bill unveiled by the Senate on Wednesday, November 18. Two days later on Friday November 20, Gruber published a paper entitled “Impacts of the Senate High Cost Insurance Excise Tax on Wages: Updated,” claiming that the excise tax would result in wage hikes of $234 billion from 2013 through 2019.
And it was off to the races.
The next day on the 21st, Ron Brownstein wrote in the Atlantic about Gruber’s effusive praise for the cost-cutting measures in the bill: “Everything is in here….I can’t think of anything I’d do that they are not doing in the bill. You couldn’t have done better than they are doing,” says Gruber.
On Monday the 23rd, the DNC was sending the Brownstein column around in its entirety…one of 71 emails they would send touting Gruber’s work and it was included in OFA’s Monday Morning News Clips on BarackObama.com.
On Tuesday the 24th, OFA had another post touting the Brownstein article and citing Gruber as a “self-proclaimed skeptic on this stuff. The DNC sent that around, too. Mike Allen wrote that Obama had made the Brownstein article “mandatory reading” in the West Wing. TPM had the scoop that Rahm Emanuel told senior staffers “not to come back to the next day’s meeting if they hadn’t read the article.”
David Brooks of the New York Times was not convinced that the Senate bill would be deficit neutral, so Peter Orszag pointed him to the Brownstein’s “insightful article on health care costs” on the White House OMB blog that same day. It’s hard to believe Orszag didn’t know about Gruber’s contract — a search of the White House visitor logs indicates he met with Gruber on March 26, the day after his HHS contract was first awarded.
Paul Krugman cited Gruber’s glowing analysis in the Brownstein article — “this is the best effort anyone has made” — as one of the reasons he supported the Senate bill, noting that “the health care economists I respect are seriously impressed by the cost-control measures.” Rahm Emanuel subsequently cited Krugman and Brownstein to Jonathan Weisman of the Wall Street Journal as evidence of a “progressive backlash against the progressive backlash” to dismiss liberal criticism of the bill. Jeff Bingaman mentioned the Krugman piece on the floor of the Senate, and entered it into the Congressional Record.
On November 25, Peter Orszag and Nancy-Ann DeParle had a conference call with reporters to tout a letter written by 23 economists — including Gruber — encouraging the President to enact the excise tax and other measures. Once again, Orszag again invoked the Brownstein article, saying he “has done the work to understand the issue”:
Orszag seconded that notion, saying, “I agree with Jon Gruber that basically everything that has been put forward in health policy discussions for a decade is in this bill.”
“And then some,” added DeParle.
On November 27, Gruber released another report saying the Senate bill would reduce non-group premiums after the CBO score was released (Gruber is one of the CBO’s academic advisors). Again, Ezra Klein printed excerpts in his Washington Post blog, saying it was “good news for advocates of reform.”
The next day on the 28th, Mike Allen ran it with the headline “MIT analysis backs Obama health plan,” leading readers to believe that Gruber’s work represented outside confirmation. The DNC didn’t flinch at that description, sending around an email on the 29th with the subject line: “MIT Analysis backs Obama Health Plan,” and another on the 30th saying “ICYMI” (“In Case You Missed It”), just to be sure you didn’t. Tom Udall pointed to Gruber’s report, in addition to Ezra and Politico, on his website.
Then HHS included the Politico article in their newsletter, saying “a memo authored by MIT economist Johnathan Gruber” finds the bill will lower non-group premiums. No mention that he was working for them.
On the 29th Nancy-Ann DeParle, head of the very White House Office of Health Reform that Gruber was hired to consult for, posted perhaps the most misleading column of all on the White House blog:
MIT Economist Confirms Senate Health Reform Bill Reduces Costs and Improves Coverage
She identified Gruber as an “MIT Economist who has been closely following the health insurance reform process” who had “issued a compelling new report.” There was no acknowledgment that her very own White House office had commissioned Gruber’s work.
On November 30th, Krugman wrote about the CBO report, relying on Gruber’s analysis. He, too, concluded it was “good news for reform advocates.” That same day, Harry Reid took to the floor of the Senate that same day, saying “just a few days ago an MIT economist–one of the Nation’s foremost economists–a man by the name of Jonathan Gruber, analyzed our bill and concluded it will help Americans pay less and get more.”
Reid read from the piece on the floor of the Senate, saying that it provided substantiation from “who is one of the most respected economists in the world” that the Senate bill would reduce the deficit. Nancy Pelosi touted “the Gruber analysis”on the Speaker’s website.
On December 3, Kathleen Sebelius released a statement on the “Benefits of Health Insurance Reform for Businesses.” She substantiated claims made in the statement by citing Gruber’s November 3 testimony before the HELP Committee, and his November 5 paper. No mention that he was a contractor to HHS.
And on December 12, John McCain referred to “an analysis by MIT economist John Gruber released by the White House this weekend.”
Subsequent to that, a report was issued on December 14 from the Executive Office of the President by the Council of Economic Advisers. It again invoked Gruber’s November 20 paper as the sole source for the claim that the excise tax would cause wages to increase: “Research by Jonathan Gruber finds that even just a single provision – the excise tax – would increase after-tax wages by $234 billion from 2013 to 2019,” it says.
On December 28, Gruber published an Op-Ed in the Washington Post — in which he neglected to mention his contract to consult with the White House on this very issue. He was asked point-blank if he had any contracts related to the piece for which he was being paid, and he said “no.” The Post subsequently published a correction.
And just last week, John Kerry — author of the Cadillac Tax provision of the Senate bill — writing in The Hill cited Gruber’s work alone as the authority for the claim that the excise tax would result in increased wages. Did Kerry, as author of that part of the Senate bill, work with Gruber to craft it too? He doesn’t say.
Gruber validates the argument put forward by the Senate bill’s proponent that it will make health care more affordable — a claim that Marcy Wheeler has made compelling arguments against. Though Gruber’s analysis has been cited as support that insurance would be affordable, it appears that the individual mandate will impose a financial burden on middle class families that will leave them with no ability to make the co-pays necessary to use the insurance they are forced to buy. But because Gruber’s work has the authority of an expert from MIT, it has been accepted as independent confirmation that the bill will make things better, not worse.
Gruber is also cited repeatedly to substantiate the claim that the excise tax will result in higher wages after employers reduce benefits, because they’ll pass those savings on to workers. That argument on its face flies in the face of all reason, and nobody has been able to point to a study showing that when health care costs go down, businesses mostly share those savings. Quite the contrary: In November, a Mercer survey of 465 employer health plan sponsors found that only 16% would pass on any savings to employees.
But Gruber’s representations on that front are continually advanced as one of the primary reasons why Krugman and others support passage of the bill. As Marcy Wheeler observed, when Jason Fuhrman made that case on the White House blog, Gruber was the sole source supporting that particular claim. She noted with irony that the administration “can’t muster any support among 3 hand-picked reports for its claim that the excise tax will lead to wage increases.”
But her central point is critical: most claims that the excise tax will “bend the cost curve” inevitably lead back to Gruber’s analysis.. And now that his ties to the White House have been exposed, he seems to be inserting caveats and backing away from that assertion.
What was Gruber’s role in crafting the Senate bill? Nobody will say. Is he in effect grading his own work when he praises the bill? We don’t know. What we do know is that the White House engaged an expert who was quite likely to reach the conclusions he reached, because he’d been making similar claims for years. And they worked hard to promote his work as independent validation of their plan, when in fact he was an integral part of it.
Gruber says he believes in transparency, and claims to have a spreadsheet for his simulation model. On February 27, two days after the presolicitation of his HHS contract began, Gruber participated in an HHS hearing on modeling health insurance data. According to the transcript, Gruber said:
As much as we can do in groups like this to be transparent about modeling the process, I call my model a black box, but in fact I have now put together a spreadsheet which lays out every single one of the assumptions that is in the model, in a document which describes it all. I think we all need to be as transparent as possible in what is going into the models, so that ultimately folks like ASPE and CBO and others who need to use these to make policy can understand why we are getting different answers and what is going on.
Recently Bill Black, Eliot Spitzer and Frank Partnoy called for the release of AIG emails and internal documents, asserting that the public now owns 80% of the company and should be able to examine them in order to be able to ascertain what happened in the past. Likewise, now that it is known that Jonathan Gruber was a White House consultant, the assumptions that have been used by the White House to estimate the impact of the health care bill will for decades to come should be made publicly available.
Both Congress and President Obama owe us that kind of transparency before committing to a path that could have serious consequences for the health and prosperity of all Americans.




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Amen.
“Outside analysts” are welcome to keep their methods as private as they like, but if Gruber is working for the government, his work belongs to the taxpayers.
The assumptions in his spreadsheet deserve a careful — and public — review.
Jane,
I haven’t read post yet, but I ask: What part of pimping the insurance corp propaganda thru the federal govt at taxpayer expense do you not understand?
Don’t schools have academic conduct standards about this sort of thing?
Great the Dems seemed to have learned the 100 experts on every tv channel all saying the same thing method of brain washing from Karl Rove.
Money Quote we need that said on tv!
Did Gruber do research to help Kerry develop his 2004 Health care Plan for the campaign? I am not finding firm information yet.
Jane, great effort tying the implications of this all together. It really is amazing to see the Onion-like layers of justification for non-disclosure rolled back. Guess it wasn’t a research grant like PK says.
Peterr, government contracts to use lots of private sector models for policy development. In my experience, the contract doesn’t entitle the government to get into the model details. They are considered proprietary and usually exempted from typical FOIA and other transparency mandates.
That said, I think it would be great to see the details of what Gruber’s doing.
Great documentation of Judy Miller Redux.
But unfortunately Big Lies never die.
The phrase “broad consensus” is still rolling off of Mara Liasson’s Foxy lips on NPR.
teach, professor jane!
I thought Obama didn’t have a plan I thought he wanted the House and Senate to come up with a plan? Whem was Gruber contacted by the WH?
Also why limit his analyst ask Gruber to compare his plan with Japan’s or France’s and lets see which plan produces the best outcomes for the least cost.
Any analyst that makes the Senate (or was the Senate’s plan Obama’s all along) look good is the kind of thing professors laugh about in peer review journals:)
I’m thinking Gruber has put his academic reputation on the line normally this kind of Academic Hackery comes from Climate Change Deniers.
I’m not questioning your experience, but this makes no sense.
If the government can’t get into the model details, how can the policy makers reasonably evaluate what they are being told?
If the model makes outlandish assumptions, but no one in government can see the model, the policymakers are screwed.
Sounds like Perjury the model was flawed won’t be a defense this is to big a flaw. We need someone in the news to publicly accuse him of Perjury.
Then we demand he release his model to the public. Then we discredit the Senate Healthcare plan by pointing out it relies on Perjured Funny Numbers.
Great post Jane
“objective analysis” what a sham…You think Ezra Klein knew about his contract with the White House?
Really hate to compare this “fixing” of the analysis around what the White House wants to the Bush administrations “fixing” of the pre war intelligence around the drive to invade Iraq. But the strategy sounds similar. The “loop” Although of course the “fixing” of intelligence (Office of Special Plane, Office of Net Assessments, White House Iraq Group) to invade Iraq has had far more serious consequences.
Say it ain’t so, Barak!
Good point Jane, that was troubling me too. The WH orchestrated entire Gruber thing to be a shiny object to divert attention from the more exhorbitant excesses of its plan.
Nice timeline.
Seems pretty clear that Ds have learned the art of the echo chamber and constructing a message script after years of being taught by the Rs. Only the names have changed. Rove really should have at least gotten a copyright on the workflow if it wasn’t available for patenting.
Bush paid Media people for coverage and ExGenerals to say good things about the war this? is change you can believe in?
Paul got fooled ok everyone makes a mistake or has a bad day sometime. However
Bobo is right to have doubts about numbers Paul backed...that has got to sting.
You’re absolutely right: if our tax dollars paid for that report, then We the People own it, and Gruber, HHS, & the White House owe it to all of us to publish that report in its entirety. If publication of the data and methods are not forthcoming, then the point should be made very publicly that the report is probably bogus. Only a stage magician can legitimately withold the information about how his amazing feat is accomplished, because we all know in advance that it is sleight-of-hand, and we are agreeing to be tricked. Scientists and academics have to show their work or have their conclusions rejected.
If the Federal government can’t get a product that can be blackbox tested then they are too dumb to be giving out contracts. My experience with state contracts was that we first had to specify the living daylights out of things. But then, expensive, no-bid contracts were illegal for things I dealt with.
Rahm’s role is important in Gruber’s contract.
Wonder how long it will be before a cover up/ Senate/House hearing on this?
Then the strongly worded letter with no one fired from their job?
It is only progressives who lose their jobs/are convicted of wrong doing.
i think at least one strand may go back as far as celinda lake’s dubious polling.
Did Paul really read Gruber’s work or did his Grad students read it and then ghost written these Gruber supporting articles? I’m finding it hard to believe Paul actually read this?
Is Labor going to use this as pushback?
Assumptions going into the model are different. Those the policy-maker would typically be quite explicit about. How variables (assumptions plus other outside inputs) “interact” within the black box of the model would be exempt.
So, we should be able to see all the assumptions, and see all the outcomes. Just exactly how you get from one to the other is the proprietary aspect of the model.
I would say that this is where you’d rather see them using documented models for stuff like this. The counter-argument is that supposedly Gruber’s model is “better” and you lose out by not using it…While I think that’s crap, from the “this is one battle in a larger war” perspective, the lack of disclosure is the big deal to me. It makes one think they picked the guy likely to have the answer they wanted, just as Jane notes.
Debating the details of a model like this will never be a winner in the larger fight; it’s too convoluted and technical. However, having everything lead back to one guy/model and then have that guy be on contract. Understandable and a winner.
I think it was Selise who pointed that out. The piece would be twice as long if I gave credit to everyone in the comments who deserved it, because that’s where so much of the research & thinking came from.
So, hats off to everyone.
Is this model like the ones the banks used to justify home loan paper and Credit Default Swaps?
What are the chances we’ll see a truly independent analysis of the bill before we get saddled with it? What I’d like to see are multiple independent analyses, especially some comparing the Senate bill with systems set up in other countries. Too much work I suppose. I have yet to hear how the Senate plan will compare with other country’s systems, but I would bet that ours will still be the most expensive system — providing the least coverage and financial protection.
shorter gruber: a fishing license tax results in catching more fish–my ‘blackbox’ model proves it!
By 2019 the average licensee will have enough fish for export and the economy will be saved! “trust me”
We’re looking at a combination of (a) a sole source, no bid contract, (b) a black box model, (c) and WH/HHS misrepresentation of the contractor as a neutral evaluator at arms-length from the process.
Winning the larger fight requires pushing on all these issues, not simply one of them.
Krugman says “yeah, the disclosure was a problem, but that’s an optics problem. His model still is best. Quit the petty name calling and character attacks.”
OK, so Marcy pushes back on the numbers, as best as she can without seeing inside the black box. Jane is pushing back on the manipulation and misrepresentation, demonstrating how this is not a bug but a feature.
The combination of the two, however, reinforces the power of each. Gruber and the WH can’t say “this is just name calling” if they don’t release more of the black box. They also can’t say “just trust us on this” with the record of manipulation and deception Jane laid out in the post above. In short, pushing back on both means they’ve got to pick their poison.
I have to agree with Spartakus. Companies will typically hold onto IP that they developed on other money; the government gets use of the IP through the contract. Sometimes the government will get non-disclosure access to details (so the contract officer can see them, but could not pass along except to others working on the contract); more often, a series of tests or demonstrations of the simulation are specified along with the statement of work. There are many ways to test a simulation without knowing every detail of the black box.
(In fact, in a mirror version of a similar contract, in which I was on the industry side commissioning a study from an academic, our legal department schooled me very thoroughly to stay away from ever learning the black box details!)
Generally, I agree. But here you aren’t contracting for a specific product (though I guess the argument is that indeed, contracting for a specific outcome is exactly what they did do :-) ).
To get my biases out there (at least some), bidding contracts out is a giant PITA, and often leads to inferior outcomes because people who are better at responding to bid documents (or found a way to cut a corner you hadn’t specified) would win.
I just don’t think that the sole source or private model are big deals in their own right. However, combined with the undisclosed shilling and endless recursive and proactive referencing…that’s a new ballgame. That does begin to imply that they purchased a particular desired outcome.
The other day I defended Gruber on the grounds tht he was just like any other academic looking for research funds. I didn’t know that he was on contract. Silly me. I thought University positions were mainly for teaching and research.
Paul said his model was the best After Marcy and Jane tore it up? I’m sticking with my Grad students are writing his Gruber pieces theory….Legacy Admission Grad students.
just put two and two together from your previous post and other people’s comments.
… btw, thanks for another terrific post.
the circular consensus:
[ "...But that was child’s play compared to the effort that went into selling Gruber’s analysis of the bill unveiled by the Senate on Wednesday, November 18. Two days later on Friday November 20, Gruber published a paper entitled “Impacts of the Senate High Cost Insurance Excise Tax on Wages: Updated,” claiming that the excise tax would result in wage hikes of $234 billion from 2013 through 2019.
And it was off to the races.
The next day on the 21st, Ron Brownstein wrote in the Atlantic about Gruber’s effusive praise for the cost-cutting measures in the bill: “Everything is in here….I can’t think of anything I’d do that they are not doing in the bill. You couldn’t have done better than they are doing,” says Gruber..."]
this political tactic – generating a circular consensus on a matter of great national consequence – is giving me that deja vu feeling all over again.
where was that?
wait, wait…
ah.. ha,
2003,
iraq
responsible for the attack on new york
master of terrible weapons
judy miller
fred hiatt
cnn, abc, cbs, nbc
imminent threat to american national security.
blah, blah, blah.
and now -
and now we are seven years in the hole
to the tune of 1/2 trillion $ PER YEAR.
wow, those obama boys learned real quick,
learned real good
from georgie’s boys:
head’em up
ride’m out
move them cattle.
In my experience, the contract doesn’t entitle the government to get into the model details.
This is fucking ridiculous. What do you suppose the government is usually entitled to — only a spreadsheet of results? ALL assumptions behind an analysis MUST be divulged. That includes omitted variables, parameters, and weaknesses of the techniques used.
I have worked with modeling and statistical contracts for decades. What you are claiming is fucking preposterous.
He offered to show it to others at the HHS hearing, so he should at least be willing to show it to other economists.
boy WHAT A BARGAIN at 800,000.00 smackeroos……to sell the American people down the river
Beautiful work Jane.
I’d also like to make sure y’all have read Lawrence Mishel’s post from yesterday. It’s required reading. Don’t come to tomorrow’s blogging if you haven’t read it. /s
Sorry, I’ve got to do it again after all the talk of the spreadsheet.
A screen capture of Gruber’s $400k proprietary model has been leaked:
http://www.imageboo.com/files/en33×6mtjlfn16f371t0.jpg
Ok I want the model tested publicly on the Net. I’m sure we got some experts to test it. Also I want the model to compare Obama’s plan to Japan and France’s plan as far as cost and health outcomes.
If the model justifies Obama’s plan lets see if the Magic Model is fixed only to justify Obama’s plan.
Yeah, at least the insurance corps had to spend $10 or $20 million to sell us down the river.
For the government to spend hundreds of thousands taxpayer dollars on statistical analyses used to support the most important legislation in decades and not demand to know — AND REPORT — the assumptions that were made and the possible statistical shortcomings of the analyses is FUCKING MALFEASANCE.
On the substance of all this, it seems to me that the answer is somewhere in the middle. I don’t know how it’s possible to argue that 100% of health insurance “savings” will be recycled by companies into wage increases. Not. Gonna. Happen. Only in PerfectMarketEconoland. Which, as just proven by the giant financial collapse, asset bubbles and, immense bailout of the financial industry (not to mention sole source contracts to MIT professors) does not exist.
Also, it’s not likely to be zero, either. Even the Mercer report says 16% would pass along savings.
in this particular case, we may not have to. i think gruber used bogus inputs to his model (cbo data that they said couldn’t be used the way he used it) for his nov 2 and nov 27 reports. would love it if someone(s) here would be willing to follow up and check to see if i have this right or wrong.
Judas only got 13 pieces of Silver but then again how many millions will die sooner because the Obama plan was passed rather than the Public Option?
I am completely disgusted with people like Jane Hamsher and Marcy Wheeler who are getting in the way of govt doing business as usual. For shame. /s
They bought and analysis and then used media to report it as objective. A dishonest practice by the Obama administration.
There’s a job waiting for you in the MSM.
But first you’ll have to be mentored by this guy .
Well they could not do the things people are saying they have done without propagandists. Seems sadly clear now what has been going on all this time.
Really.
At this point do we know if Gruber’s assumptions hold water? This is the hardest of hardball politics with this health care debate. Trillions of dollars at stake, rich people, purchased congress people, smoky rooms (maybe not smoky anymore); Life and Death. So does this really surprise us? Obama would be dead in the water if he didn’t have the old school guys around him. Remember, he has to deal with a Congress that is the old school guys. Not excusing any of this, mind you, just pointing out that we on the progressive side tend to want everything to be pure and aboveboard, when everything that has to be done is done in the gutter. The fact that Gruber is a paid consultant, does not necessarily invalidate his work. It does make it look sleazy however and that taint will carry over in the debate. If the White House wasn’t paying him who would be acceptable to the rest of us to pay him?
No kidding.
War is peace.
Accountability is keeping the old guard.
Transparency is misleading until you’re called out.
and Change is “That’s the way you get things done in DC, so don’t HOPE for too much.”
dontcha know
OT
Kabuki-as-usual going on at cspan2. Financial crisis commissioners not laying a finger on bank ceos.
p.s. if anyone is willing to check my work re those two reports, you can email me at gmail dot com.
ALERT- J. Gruber on Diane Rehm right now – false assumptions, false moral arguments, in my opinion.
There is a union health insurance expert on refuting his arguments.
I’m dialing right now, chances probably are not good.
On the substance of all this, it seems to me that the answer is somewhere in the middle.
Somewhere between 0% and 100%, you mean? Then that’s what Gruber should have reported — that he and we don’t have a clue as to whether it’s 16% or 90%, and we don’t even know the probability distribution.
That is what he owed to the American taxpayer, Congress, the research community.
The reason he doesn’t want to share “the details” — the assumptions — is because they are laughable.
thanks for the reminder, i was going to give that a listen.
Just a few minutes ago Gruber cited CBO approval of his excise tax.
I’m waiting for Paul Krugman to answer these charges.
Some of us stood by you, Paul, and at this moment feel very foolish for ever doubting the good ladies of the Lake.
thanks also! i will listen later to the podcast.
That pretty much says it all. His lie indicates that not only did he know full well he was hired to shill for the WH/InsurancePharma Overlords, but that he also was fully aware that he needed to make it look like it was an independant assessment.
That this guy is still being listened at this point is absurd. Then again, absurdity has been a overarching characteristic of the heathcare kabuki so I guess he fits right in.
My partner in watching kabuki. (((selise)))
@38 I thought he was willing to show the assumptions? That certainly should be disclosed, and typically is.
It’s worth being careful in conflating ownership of AIG with ownership of the model. The government, with the contract, probably purchased the analysis using the model, rather than the model itself.
By the way, all of the question of how-much-disclosure-of-black-box-details is purely a question of money. If the government wanted to pay him $2.4M instead of $400k, he’d probably give them rights to take the details and disclose them, or bury them, or change them, or publish them on p.1 of the Washington Post. (I just made up the number $2.4M! I don’t know the real number.)
And to econobuzz’s point @44: I generally think the government SHOULD pony up for this extra amount on issues like this (or, for instance, voting machine code). But I also think it’s legitimate for the analyzer to demand extra for those rights.
A model-builder would legitimately* argue that in the past he paid people to build the model, in the past he turned down other contracts to concentrate his personal time on the model, that he hustled to get other contracts in the past to put together the money to fund building the model. So that it’s really his, so that just because the government purchased use of the model, they don’t have the right to publish details of it that would destroy its value to him unless they pay him for that right.
*Assuming that the model was not originally developed on government money.
Lots of kabuki going on, radio and tv. Good thing we have a team of thousands. *g*
And to selise, (and rayne’s, Marcy’s go without saying) without your comments I’m not sure I would feel armed enough to try calling in to Gruber. He’ll smash me as not an expert, I’m sure, a mere “caller.”
gruber on npr
Professional ethics requires ANY and ALL researchers whose analyses carry prescriptions for major public policy to make available to all other researchers, indeed the public, ALL of the necessary specifications need to replicate his/her results — contract or no contract.
ALL research that cannot be replicated by independent analysts — because “details” are “proprietary” — MUST be rejected out of hand.
Excuse me for commenting on my actual experience. Guess it differs from yours, though the way you stated your point, I hesitate to say that you are full of sh*t.
I think Foland at 31 explained it quite nicely. Reviewing details and publishing model details or subjecting them to FOIA for the world to look at are quite different. Proprietary models are exactly that, proprietary. But not all models are proprietary.
I also noted @25 that assumption inputs are different and would typically be explicit and available for review.
Exactly my point. Asserting it is 100% proves that it is bullshit in my book.
reminds me of T.Blairs…….they could launch an attack in 45 minutes……oh oh,mushroom clouds over hospitals and clinics
Thank you, Jane, for this excellent perspective:
I’d like to add that also very troubling are the journalists and editors who cited him and published him without even checking out his Wikipedia entry, which since December 1, 2008 has included:
Or the bio on his webpage, where he brags:
Jon Cohn of TNR had no trouble noting what Gruber really does for a living:
The responsibility ultimately rests with the publishers and their journalists. They shouldn’t expect shills to self-identify.
There is an international community of microsimulation experts who work specifically to address numbers for policy development, especially government policy. Health care policy has been a focal point for many.
We have had Mishel post some thoughtful commentary on affordability irt employer health costs and wage trends. The very issue Marcy was addressing.
It would be great to continue with this type of information and build a coalition of professional economic views here at FDL in order to get the best possible outcome to influence policy irt affordability of care and how care equates to insurance.
What was effective about Mishel was his data analysis and how it reflected concerns we have been raising here. It provides a peer to peer strategy that we can use to build our voice on policy concerns.
This statement indicates that Gruber was using an existing model that he had already developed. If the contract had been to develop the model, then it could be argued that the government had a right to the contents of the “black box” (although IMO it would be much safer, if that were the intent, to state so in the solicitation).
I’ve dealt with government contracting, Sparkatus is correct here. Obviously the administration knew the existing model would provide cover for their goals, so there was no need for them to seek the details of the model.
The Obama administration is looking as bad or worse than the Bush administration, which planted bs claims into one or another paper and then cited them as evidence for nonsense. It’s like Obama’s minions learned the worst of Cheney’s mo and decided to follow it.
I generally think the government SHOULD pony up for this extra amount on issues like this (or, for instance, voting machine code). But I also think it’s legitimate for the analyzer to demand extra for those rights.
The government has a right to demand the “details.” If the analyses have implications for public policy, any contracts officer who doesn’t is not doing his/her job. Of course, the researcher can always ask for more money, or turn down the request and the contract.
All contracting officials should know that statistical results without assumptions etc. are USELESS in a public policy setting. The results HAVE TO BE replicable to be useful.
I can’t believe that this is even an issue among progressives. This is a BLACK and WHITE ethics issue.
On the tee vee, the 3rd or 4th greatest health care shill economist says it all. A tax on privatized healthcare will lower wages. That is because employers will take away health care benefits. This will mainly penalize working men and women who are in unions. This is not believable by any means.
The ancient Greeks used the Oracle at Delphi to catapult their pixie dust propaganda. We now have economists with simulations to do the same thing. Gruber is catapulting the propaganda, but his show is not as entertaining as the Delphi women. Where are the simulations for predicitng the effects outsourcing jobs, or fighting wars without paying for them, or the effects of financial bets against our own people, such as CDO’s. “Crickets” for that from the people of “import”.
my misery loves company (((ecahn)))
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2010/01/quelle-surprise-health-insurers-pretended-to-play-nice-lobbied-against-reform.html
Follow-up from Gruber’s appearance on Diane Rehm, which just ended:
I missed the first 20 min. so don’t know how he was introduced, whether WH connection mentioned, or current controversy.
Gerry O’Shea from the AFL-CIO (spec. asst on health care to pres. Trumka) did a lot of good pushback on the excise tax and its bad effects on workers with good plans – also pushed back on the “Cadillac” description.
Karen Tumulty also argued pretty well. She concluded at the end of the show that the tax wasn’t a good way to go about raising funds or cutting costs, but guessed that it would end up in the bill. She sounded a bit discouraged.
O’Shea says Trumka and BHO are still having “constructive talks” on the issue, including today.
I did get the feeling as the show went on that Gruber was feeling a bit defensive.
Didn’t hear his assumptions for the model questioned specifically, but there was argument that an excise tax wouldn’t produce wage increases.
And if it weren’t for FDL and our fine commenters, I would probably have assumed that this guy knew what he was talkiing about, and was objective.
O’Shea of AFL-CIO says in negotiations with corps they say they will simplly eliminate retiree coverage under this theory.
Obviously the administration knew the existing model would provide cover for their goals, so there was no need for them to seek the details of the model.
Obama does not have the legal authority to direct HHS contracts to abandon the principles of ethical contracting. Of course, there is a difference between the government paying for the development of a model and paying for it to be used to analyze policy. But the difference relates to PAYMENT, not disclosure of critical assumptions behind the model. There is no way — Repeat: NO WAY — that statistical results can be evaluated — for public policy purposes — without this information. Putting such results forward to support public policy positions is unethical.
To suggest that Obama or HHS has the right to spend hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars to get only “results” with no other information (about assumptions) that will allow evaluation of the validity of results for public policy is preposterous.
Of course, a model can be proprietary. The author can sell it or its output as he or she sees fit. But the government has a responsibility to taxpayers to ensure that the research emanating from contracts is useful in the public policy process. Not demanding in the contract the details that are necessary to establish the reliability and validity of results, and using it in the policy process is malfeasance.
Once again, I can’t believe we’re having this argument among progressives.
The economic fat cats are testifying in front of the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission. Lloyd Blankfein/Goldman Sachs tried to spin the ripping off as “in context of the times” the economic catastrophe as a “hurricane”. The chair of the committee came back with. Hurricanes are an ‘act of God” The economic catastrophe was caused by “men and women”
they are taking a break
this morning on Washington Journal they were posing this hearing as should the CEO’s of these companies say they are “sorry” “apologize” WTF. Why is it when you steal from a corner drugstore or grow marijuana our court systems throws your ass in prison for years. But when you systematically rip off the American taxpayers to fill your personal pockets with gold they ask should you demand that those who did the ripping off say they are sorry? What a screwed up so called justice system. Throw those who knowingly scammed the system in prison.
http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN2.aspx
As Senator Dorgan has stated “where did the money go”
ot – re cspan2. the fcic needs bill black. (now on break and me too)
To clarify, is my characterization in the comment @ 75 off or going too far. That’s exactly what it looks like to me. If you think I’m off, please explain. Thanks!
When things get this complicated, I smell rats.
No wonder the House is pissed off. They’ve been bushwhacked.
Those Time Lines of Truth will get these weasels every time.
That grant design self-evidently avoids – indeed, prohibits as outside of scope – Gruber modeling alternatives that could have provided far more care for significantly less taxpayer money, alternatives that might have provided greater fairness and more social stability for each dollar spent.
We could have gotten that approach from Karl Rove any day of the week and twice on Sundays. I’m beginning to think that elections no longer have consequences.
Yes, but it usually only applies to scholarly publications. If a faculty member writes a letter to the editor or an op-ed he/she is considered to be doing so as a private citizen with full freedom of speech. Careful faculty members will often include their title and add a disclaimer “for identification purposes only” to make it clear that they are not speaking for the institution.
Faculty are allowed to consult so long as it doesn’t significantly interfere with the teaching and research obligations. And, in some disciplines, e.g., engineering, it is encouraged. But universities don’t get their usual cut (overhead) on those consulting fees, so those consulting arrangements do get scrutinized.
The paradigm for the sort of thing that universities worry about is where a researcher will publishes results attesting to the efficacy and/or safety of a drug but has biased the results in favor of the drug company that sponsored the research, or more subtly, the case where the researcher doesn’t bother to publish negative findings.
Gruber insists that his HHS contract paid only for his advice to officials of the executive branch, and insists that his op-ed, which “graded his own homework,” were on his own time (presumably, either as a private citizen who used his MIT title only for purposes of identification or as an MIT professor doing a public service.
under the assumption that the unexamined presidential policy initiative is not worth supporting:
i would be interested in moving beyond grubering, which involves such issues as an excise tax that may 1)raise wages and 2)diminish the number of corporate health plans offered workers
to other basic questions about the prez’s assumptions about his health insurance reform bill.
one set of assumptions of interest are those involving just how many citizens will be covered by the obama reforms.
would it be 99%?
95%?
90%?
right now, depending on who you count, we have about 40 million uninsured americans (uninsured illegals of course must be desapparado in our current political climate) out a population of 360 mill.
in some of his comments, if i recall correctly, gruber has said that 100% coverage is unrealistic – and that may be literally true.
but gruber or no,
jut exactly how many americans will be covered by the reform proposals
and how many remain uncovered not?
and how many might be forced out of current coverage into poorer or no coverage?
in line with what has been learned from “the gruber affair”,
what assumptions is obama corp making about coverage?
how reasonable are those assumptions?
have there been challenges to those assumptions and numbers?
should there be challengers?
after all, i, at least, believed when the health care “reform” issue started,
that coverage for those who did not have coverage together with better coverage for those who had inadequate coverage would be
THE central focus of reform.
Thanks, Jane. Now we are well into Armstrong Williams territory.
I’m not sure why, but it makes me think of the penultimate climactic scene in the Sand Pebbles, where the Chinese demand that the American gunboat captain patrolling their shores give them Mr. Holman. Perhaps it’s that if Mr. Williams suffered ignominy for selling government propaganda undisclosed, so, too, should Mr. Gruber (with no apologies to Mr. Krugman).
I suspect we’re in violent agreement here.
Jane and Marcy have laid out very clearly the many ethical issues arising out of this. Gruber’s nondisclosure of his ties is one of them.
The ethical issue on detail disclosure falls squarely on whomever in the executive branch decided not to pay for those details. It may have been a purely “innocent” mistake (it really is quite common not to pay for them if the model was not developed under government contract, though someone should have realized that single-sourced analysis of the largest government program in decades might need to be handled uncommonly), or it may have been deliberate. I can’t say.
I don’t see, however, that Gruber himself has violated any particular ethics by not disclosing details of his proprietary model; his failings lie elsewhere.
Now all that said: does anyone know who did fund the development of the model in the first place?
Out of Larry Mishel’s OWN words-Gruber admits that he “over reached “.
This is an excerpt from Mishel’s #18 post at the Seminal thread by Mishel entitled, “Employer Health Costs Do Not Drive Wage Trends”,posted yesterday.
I think his error in the case I’m criticizing is that he’s a health care economist and doesn’t know the details about wage trends. I, on the other hand, have been studying wages for thirty years or more. Gruber clearly over-reached with the argument about health care driving wage trends and has acknowledged that to me privately (yesterday).
Larry Mishel
It’s likely that at least the first version of it was developed under a federal grant. He may have spun-off his own group to refine and exploit that model. That’s how engineers do it.
On the other hand, science requires independent verification. Simulation models need to be validated and calibrated. Who were the researchers who independently verified the accuracy of Gruber’s model?
Rayne’s Seminal post entitled “Follow the Money” (posted Sunday) shows a chart of Gruber’s contracts between 2000 qnd 2009-totalling $3 million dollars.
Think somebody who’s been getting government money for 9 years-thatcan be verified-maybe more- doesn’t recognize the value of disclosure or independent verification?
It is also notable the direct link between Gruber and Larry Summers-who is back in the White House,btw.
Summers was instrumental in getting Gruber a job with the Clinton WH alll the way back in 1998-1999.
All this is substantiiated at Rayne’s aforementioned thread.
How has it been proven that Gruber’s model is proprietary to begin with? If it is proprietary, how owns it then? Like gosh, it could be proprietary to MIT, but I highly doubt that MIT would very publicly impede academic analysis of a major issue facing this country
There are multiple reports talking about the model by those who apparently paid to use it. First this one by the Oregon state government:
http://www.oregon.gov/OHPPR/HFB/Finance/Presentations/2007/111607_Presentation_Gruber_Modeling.ppt
Then this by Gruber himself where he says there should be transparecy:
http://www.ncvhs.hhs.gov/090227p3.pdf
Here’s his report to the State of California where Gruber says the Kaiser Family Foundation paid for his original model and he also said he did consulting for the CBO:
“This model was first developed in 1999 for use in estimating the impact of tax credits on health insurance coverage, with funding from the Kaiser Family Foundation.” (which if they own it, I can’t see it as good for them to withhold releasing the model)
“In addition, I have worked closely over this period with the Congressional Budget Office in their development of a microsimulation model similar to my own.” (shouldn’t we the taxpayers be able to see the model used by the CBO?)
http://gov.ca.gov/pdf/press/Gruber_Modeling_Health_Care_Reform_In_California_final_study_020207.pdf
Then there’s this study done by Gruber for the Small Business Majority where he says nothing about these employers raising wages and in fact says that increased healthcare costs will be shifted onto employees (can you say excise tax?):
http://www.smallbusinessmajority.org/econ_research.php
I also think it is very unsavory that Gruber is also working for the CBO at the same time Gruber is working for the Obama administration. Frankly, it seems like it should be illegal. Gruber is advising the CBO healthcare policy analysis while also at the same time being on Obama’s payroll – he should have to pick one or the other or else there isn’t even the appearance of checks and balances and the CBO being non-partisan.
Now it’s obamawhacked.
Excellent! Thanks for finding that. It validate exactly what Marcy has been arguing, namely that there is no reasons to think that employers would pass along health-insurance savings to workers by raising their wages, especially in these time when there is downward pressure on wages due to the shortage of jobs.
I’d also note the two lines just prior to the one you cite, which reads: “I may differ with many of you on the site though in that I don’t impugn Gruber’s motives. I don’t think there’s much of a scandal regarding his contract with HHS.” I tend to agree.
Why is all of this starting to remind me of another situation where the “intelligence” was fixed around the desired and already decided upon result?
“This model was first developed in 1999 for use in estimating the impact of tax credits on health insurance coverage, with funding from the Kaiser Family Foundation.” (which if they own it, I can’t see it as good for them to withhold releasing the model)
“In addition, I have worked closely over this period with the Congressional Budget Office in their development of a microsimulation model similar to my own.” (shouldn’t we the taxpayers be able to see the model used by the CBO?~~~~~~~~~
NOTE: This was in the time frame that Gruber was working in the Clinton Whitehouse- as a direct result of Larry Summer’s intervention,according to Gruber himself.(See Rayne’s article for Seminal”Follow the Money”.)
BTW, can somebody link that for everyone here? Thanks.
Oops-correction-he worked at White House 1997-1998.
The situation it reminds me of it Bush’s professor-shopping expedition that yielded John Yoo, who had a long record of arguing for the constitutionality of an imperial presidency.
Like Yoo, Gruber had long record of supporting this kind of healthcare system and is heralded as “the architect of” MA’s new healthcare system.
The healthcare “reform” bill was decided months ago in the WH behind closed doors. All along Obama planned not only to have the Senate’s version be the final version, but to have Baucus’s bill be the final version and to have the bill please corporate lobbyists like PhRMA. Of course not everyone in Congress was in on this, but those that weren’t got stepped on by Obama so that they would conform. Unfortunately those in Congress who weren’t in on the scam are being turned into useful idiots by going along with this.
Exactly. This bill was crafted largely by two cartels, PhRMA and AHIP, and much of what went on in congress was kabuki. Gruber was useful into cowing those who weren’t in on the Kabuki into playing along with it.
This posting by Jane will end up as a baseball bat in the hands of this bill opponents. It could be decisive in the defeat of Obama’s healthcare ambitions, which would surely wipe the smirk off Rahm Emmanuel’s face.
That’s a diary.
Your found something important there.
What total nonsense, which is now rolled into the proposed reform.
I might be able to look at this.
Can you post links, or maybe a brief Seminal diary proposing what needs to be done?
Thats ok, every qualified (and you are) question counts.
Every time a question is answered something additional is on the record.
When it is on the record then …..
@97
The California document is a particularly nice find. Pages 5-11 give a pretty good summary of the key ideas of the simulation, for those wanting to know a little about what’s under the hood.
You found this quote from one of Gruber’s contracts, and explained what that contact did with respect to ‘framing’ the HCR debate..
” The contract called for Gruber to use his statistical model for evaluating alternatives “derived from the President’s health reform proposal.”
That grant design self-evidently avoids – indeed, prohibits as outside of scope – Gruber modeling alternatives that could have provided far more care for significantly less taxpayer money, alternatives that might have provided greater fairness and more social stability for each dollar spent.”
Coupled with this:
” For an example of Gruber’s nonsense, look at his statement in Ron Brownstein’s much published article on cost control, which Rahm Emanuel was telling everyone to read:
“I’m sort of a known skeptic on this stuff,” Gruber told me. “My summary is it’s really hard to figure out how to bend the cost curve, but I can’t think of a thing to try that they didn’t try. They really make the best effort anyone has ever made. Everything is in here….I can’t think of anything I’d do that they are not doing in the bill. You couldn’t have done better than they are doing.””
Which is to be found here:
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2010/01/08/does-consulting-contract-explain-gruber’s-false-claims-about-senate-health-bill/
The problem with the credibility of the process of employing and deploying Dr. Gruber should be clear.
One possible paraphrase of the situation: What’s in here is supposed to be in here, if it’s not in here it’s not supposed to be in here.
I too read this.
It is really impressive in terms of buzzwords, and it has no doubt impressed many as to the uniqueness and importance of the work done.
I have seen mention of ‘synthetic firms’ in other of his work IIRC.
Additional reading to do here.
Have you ,by chance, reviewed some of the proposals for health care reform that had been floated for a number of years by Rahm Emmanuel’s brother Zeke.?
There was a Huff Po article where Emmanuel well over a year ago-posits that when employers stop covering the health care of their employees, wages will rise.
Zeke Emmanuel propsed a VAT -value added tax and health care vouchers.
I have posted this before, but will post it again,FWIW.
Maybe the Guaranteed Healthcare Access Plan sounds too good to be true. How much more will it cost? It will not cost any more than we are paying today. By using a standard benefits package open to all Americans, there will be huge savings from reduced administrative costs to insurance companies.
The end of Medicaid, SCHIP, and coverage of state employees, will produce huge savings — decreasing state budgets by about a third. Similarly, phasing out of Medicare reduces federal taxes.
When employers stop providing health insurance, workers’ wages will increase commensurately. Instead Americans would pay a dedicated Value Added Tax. “Dedicated” means it only goes to fund the Guaranteed Healthcare Access Plan and is not diverted to defense or Social Security or highway construction.
Sustainable HealthcareReform,Zeke Emmanuel,Huff Po—link to follow
Ezekiel Emanuel: Sustainable Health Care ReformJul 24, 2008 … The Guaranteed Healthcare Access Plan proposes to repair the health care system by giving all Americans a voucher to select a standard …
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…/sustainable-health-care-r_b_114788.html – Cached – Similar
qweryous, that would be awesome! thank you!
i will find my notes (i’m in the midst of a home office reorg – yikes!) and post links on this thread later tonight or tomorrow morning.
I am especially impressed with the use of the word “orchestrate” in the title of this thread.
Yes,orchestrated,as in a concert….or concerted collusion.
Which brings to mind this quote,
“These capitalists generally act harmoniously, and in concert, to fleece the people.” –Abraham Lincoln
We point our fingers at conservatives who promote or disapprove legislation based solely on the myth that government can’t work. But we often overlook the liberals among us who operate on an equally destructive myth: It’s better to pass any legislation, even legislation with enormous flaws, because it can be changed later. Call it the myth of incrementalism. This myth presupposes that our current legislators are just like all legislators of yore and that these legislators will act to change awful, even counter-productive legislation. What the proponents of the myth of incrementalism ignore is that there are fundamental differences in the political environment of today and the political environment of the past. Our current Congress is far more corrupt and corruptible than those of the past and the chances of incremental change are far less assured. Indeed, the use of the filibuster in the current environment underscores the fundamental difference between the zeitgeist of the legislature today and that of the past.
Call it the myth of incrementalism……
OR, call it the reality of excrementalism.
Jane, forgive me if somebody has already pointed this out. You say,
But the contract you link to says he will be working to provide analysis for the HHS/ASPE (Assistant Secretary for Planning and Evaluation). It says his current (in February) advisory role to the White House Office of Health Reform (WHOHR) “strongly positions him to meet HHS’ requirements the most efficiently”, but nowhere does it say the contract is to work for the White House Office of Health Reform. The two entities, HHS and WHOHR are entirely separate, and the HHS/ASPE is under Donald Mould, not Nancy-Ann DeParle, who is not in the ASPE chain of command. One is in the White House and was created by executive order, the other is in a congressionally established cabinet level department with an Assistant Secretary confirmed by the Senate, and functions as a source of data and models and an evaluator of HHS health and science programs and health policy.
This article is a real tour de force.
The White House traded on Mr. Gruber’s MIT affiliation and academic credentials to sell us a bill of goods. It did not seek out objective advice. Instead:
* It cherry-picked a particular academic to bolster a dubious case.
* It presented its selection as a representative of the consensus view in his field, even though there was no real consensus.
* It paid him to act like an “expert witness” in legal case–as an advocate rather than as an objective researcher.
* It kept the expert witness’ role as an advocate and his connection with the White House dark, so that the value of his evidence could not be fairly assessed.
In short, the White House hired Mr. Gruber as a propagandist. He was tasked with surreptitiously influencing public and Congressional debate. This is certainly dishonest of not outright illegal.
Jane,
Awesome, Simply Awesome.
Fantastic summary. I’ve been raising question about Gruber’s work for months and it’s all in your post. People will look back to this when the promised savings don’t materialize.
“it should be made publicly available so others can judge its merits.”
Exactly. I don’t see how any public, government mandated policy can possibly be based on some secret “propietary formula” that no one else is permitted to examine.
Have some fellow experts sign some sort of waiver stating they will not steal Gruber’s little secret sauce, and have them check it out. These people need to be credible–which Gruber is not. This guy is clearly ethically challenged on several levels.
This is apart from how CHEESY this sort of “proprietary pimp juice” is, coming from an academic. That’s what tenure is for. Tenure is a privilege.
Now they’re screwing the public at the behest of the new fascist government. Time to rethink this sector of the economy, I think. Like academics don’t have enough of a public relations problem.
We do live in an intellectual dark age, so it would be justified. Most of academia is cronyism anyway. We have plenty of people who will vouch for that.
for qweryous (and anyone else interested in taking a look)….
gruber nov 2 paper linked to here (bottom of post):
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/11/massachusetts_provides_evidenc.html
gruber nov 27 paper:
http://www.politico.com/static/PPM145_final_try.html
………
cbo references:
cbo sept 22 letter:
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/106xx/doc10618/09-22-Analysis_of_Premiums.pdf
cbo nov 2 letter:
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/106xx/doc10691/hr3962SubsidiesRangelLtr.pdf
cbo nov 6 letter:
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/107xx/doc10710/hr3962Dingell_mgr_amendment_update.pdf
cbo nov 20 letter:
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/107xx/doc10741/hr3962Revised.pdf