This document, prepared by the House Tri-Committee staff, outlines the topline differences between the House and Senate bills that need to be resolved. (It is very much worth a read if you are interested.) In almost every case where the two bills differ, it is because the Senate bill is dramatically worse. Some of the most important issues where the Senate bill is worse than the House bill are:
- Weaker employer mandate
- Most regulations won’t apply to the large group market
- Lower minimum benefit requirements
- Large age rating
- Multiple state-based exchanges versus one national exchange
- Lack of a public option
- Later start date
- Does not repeal health insurance anti-trust exemption
- Smaller Medicaid expansion
- Does not increase payments to Medicaid primary care providers
The Senate bill is not a terrible bill only because it lacks a public option. That is just the most important and glaring fault with the bill, but there are dozens of other reasons why it is a bad bill. The bill is so poorly designed, it is almost impossible to imagine how it will not quickly fail. It lacks strong regulatory enforcement mechanisms. Insurance companies will easily subvert the few things in the bill meant to hold them accountable. Finally, the lack of a strong employer mandate, combined with insufficient subsidies and very low minimum benefit requirements, is a recipe for a massive increase in the dramatically underinsured. The Senate bill is not a half-a-loaf, or even a quarter loaf, it is an extremely poorly designed foundation that will make efforts to get actual reform in the future more difficult.



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This sounds like a feature, not a bug.
it’s crumbs
There’s a big plus to the Senate bill. Insurance corp profits will be a lot higher.
Da PLAN, baby, da plan!
That’s not a bug; it’s an undocumented feature.
Once the corporations get their fangs firmly set in the collective jugular our dear plutocratic oligarchs do not intend that anyone should ever be able to pry them loose.
The Senate is a joke. All that blather and they produced this piece of garage.
here is another difference:
The House bill has a COBRA extension for the unemployed, which is in the House bill, Section 113.
It takes effect immediately and runs until the exchanges start.
It would allow the unemployed keep their group-rated insurance until the exchanges start, without forcing them into expensive high-risk pools.
Section 113 of the House bill permits the unemployed, many of whom can’t get individual coverage because of pre-existing conditions, to buy into their old group insurance until the insurance exchanges start in 2013.
It includes an extension of any state-extended COBRA, as well.
Jon — PLEASE read page 212 section 321(c) of the House Bill —
How does creating a public plan that CAN BE IMMEDIATELY OUTSOURCED TO PRIVATE HEALTH INSURERS WITH LEGAL PROTECTION AGAINST LOSSES be a good thing?
The ‘public option’ in the House Bill is really just a “national exchange” where there is only 1 chosen private company allowed to participate.
That IS NOT REFORM either.
Does “can be” equal “will be”?
That’s why they get paid the big bucks.
If the Senate bill emerges unchanged from conference and gets passed for Obama’s signature, the first change that needs to be made is doubling the funds for comprehensive primary health care clinics (Bernie Sanders’s amendment) and increasing the size of the National Health Service Corps.
If the Senate bill works as expected, the clinics and the NHSC will be the key institutions to providing healthcare to middle class families who are being gouged by mandatory insurance, high deductibles, and large co-pays. Both of those can be done in the FY2011 budget through increases in appropriations.
The second step would be repeal of antitrust exemption for all companies now exempt (including teams of MLB and all insurance companies) and strengthening of existing antitrust law, done as standalone legislation.
Then the fixing of the individual mandates provision can be done in the context of the 2010 midterm elections.
Anyone here want to detail “what happens after the Senate bill passes”?
I’ve been spending time elsewhere online trying to tell the members of the group one isn’t allowed to mention (much less accurately describe) at a certain website that this is why we can’t just be patient and trust that all the things we want done — EFCA, Dawn Johnsen, DADT and DOMA repeal, etc. — will just magically do themselves without us making our elected reps more scared of us than they are of the corporatist Blue Dogs and Senate DINOs. But they just refuse to get it — instead, they’re already preparing to blame us. Again.
Thanks for the permission, but when I was unemployed I couldn’t afford to buy into anyone’s insurance.
An alternative to corporate/government-run health insurance?
The only reason pro-populace/progressive bills get passed in Europe and Canada is that the government is afraid of the people. In America, the people are afraid of the government. (hat tip to Sicko)
Currently DHHS outsources the claims management and provider payments to IT firms–in a lot of cases the IT departments for insurers. They have to operate within DHHS guidelines and they use DHHS provided software, developed by IT software development companies (generally not insurers). This section permits the public plan to leverage these Medicare contracts and systems to begin operation. And it explicitly limits the contracts to “adminstrative” functions and excludes underwriting functions.
It is not reform, it is the way Medicare currently operates. And the extension to a public plan would make it faster to get the public plan going with minor modifications of the Medicare software and procedures.
Oh, so you’re the reason.
Just kidding. I don’t hang out there but have wasted my time in a few other places.
MSNBC reporting that CSPAN is pushing to televise this here ping pong match!
The bill is designed to fail so they can say see we tried but everybody hates so lets repeal it. That will be the end of healthcare reform for many decades to come.
Setting up something to fail is a common technique used in hi tech industry to kill something for good – it’s set up so badly so it fails miserably and will never be mentioned again.
I’ve known for quite some time that any and all failures by Dems will be blamed on progressives.
Their blind devotion and fanatic fluffing will not spare the faux progressives, Dear Leader will not hesitate for one moment before throwing them under the bus.
Does it ever occur to anyone on this site that money does not grow on trees.
The Senate has proven who runs the show, and it ain’t the American Public. Yet. We’re waking up.
If you make a bill so bad that when it’s time to vote on it, if opposition is fierce, any little improvement may be enough to ensure passage. As usual, the people get the short end.
Agree with FishGuy. It’s by design. Much more pressure needs to be applied.
More often than it evidently occurs to you to provide some pertinent context.
But don’t you love it that Steele is throwing Rs under the bus by saying that they probably won’t/can’t take the House in 2010 ! The Rs are having a hissy fit.
Stock up on popcorn.
Does that mean the money tree I planted in my backyard won’t bear fruit?
I vote to declare the Insurance Companies as enemies of the state.
They will lose corporate personhood status.
Invoke “Trading with the Enemy Act.”/S
Rs always say they’re overwhelmed by the Ds this time of year. Just a way to fill the donation box.
Steele is the gift that keeps on giving. As long as he keeps his job I think it can be safely assumed the party remains in disarray.
Sure as hell looks like Goldman’s sacks are filled with a bumper crop of greenbacks!
Must be the fertilizer…
YEP — would not be in there otherwise
does it ever occur to anyone on this site that it is time to take our people that organized against Bush and organize against the corporate democratic party also. And I mean the party. It is not just a few that are bad. If we don’t at least start doing that, they will never listen to us. WE need a “Whole New Party”.
that is not exactly the same thing — the situation with Tricare is more apt — where UHC runs all tricare for the entire southeastern US…
ask tricare families — little to no accountability
Of course – which is precisely why a single-payer system is the best solution. Will Congress find its nutsack and implement such a plan? Of course not. Will a clusterfuck inevitably ensue due to their collective idiocy? Of course.
Any other questions?
Why yes, yes it does occur to us that money doesn’t grow on trees. That would be why most of us backed less expensive solutions like National Healthcare, or Single Payer instead of the public option (not to mention that they also provide UNIVERSAL coverage instead of only half of those presently uninsured), or the pathetic excuse for “reform” that currently exists in either the House or Senate bills.
Why do you ask?
Another thing I gave up!
I agree and get that it doesn’t work for lots of folks.
and I am not saying it is a stand-alone fix. but it helps lots of other folks.
5 degrees in C-U, -11 windchill. Actually warmer than it has been.
Cheetos instead?
Hello, Madma I totally agree with you.
We need to get the corporate democrats out of the party of FDR, JFK, Bobby Kennedy, etc.
This is crazy.
Obama, Rahm, and the rest of these corporate Dems need to creat their own Party. We need to get these phony dems out of the Democratic party of our grand mothers and grand fathers ASAP.
Obama and these Dems have not done anything for Progressives.
No Public Option was a GOP concession
Taxing the “Cadillac Health Plans” (Union Benefit Packages) is a GOP concession
No Import Prescriptions is a GOP concession
Allowing Insurance to charge Seniors excessive rates is a GOP concession
I agree with you totally, we need to organize against these corporate dems like we organized against Bush.
THIS HCR SCAM is not part of the PROGRESSIVE MOVEMENT.
I couldn’t stand that. I’d be in the fetal position screaming. Hope you can stay warm.
The host of c-span’s washinton journal read the letter of request on this morning’s program.
I don’t know which would be more interesting; to actually have the whole, dirty, whoring process on tv, or listening to our leaders trying to lie and squirm out of having it televised.
Don’t be surprised if another “terrorist” tries to blow up his bloomers as a diversionary tactic.
no carbs cept whole grains
The Almighty Hawk. It’s 22 here but these folks do not deal well. I still have my arctic gear from Korea so I’m good!
except when you morons decide to attack a country
Thanks, mostly been hiding indoors. Gotta go out today though.
This is not in the section on administering the exchange(s), it is in the section on administering the public option:
And the provision excludes risk underwriting:
Title XVIII is Medicare.
I would be interested in what accountability programs you have with TriCare as administered by UHC, if they are administering the exchange. Could be worth considering in the exchanges proposed in the healthcare reform bills.
22 is pretty danged cold for Georgia.
If your arctic gear still fits you must be doing something right.
That’s a good plan.
Where’s Howard Dean? Have the House and Senate closed ranks with the administration? I don’t see any elected officials putting pressure to make the kinds of changes in the bill Jon Walker suggests. Very quiet out there.
Makes me nervous when Congress goes quiet. Always think they must be up to something that I won’t like.
at first blush my comment may seem OT, but this is one of the most eye opening single line statements pointing to the thoroughly and pathetically perverted state of American politics that I’ve come across in a long while:
Parker Griffith’s staff resigns following a switch from Democrat to Republican.
The fix is in, they’re just lying low waiting for the glue to dry.
Obama, my former Dem Party, and health care? Their hypocrisy, cowardice, and most of all, their greed have sealed the death warrants of countless Americans and guaranteed the impoverishment of countless others.
Parker Griffith and his politics must have been pretty damn clear to all of his staff, at all times prior to his announcement. Yet, a Republican in all but name is an acceptable Democrat as long as there is a ‘D-AL’ behind his name!.
The lesson here; you can screw your Democratic electorate as much as you please, so long as you declare yourself a Democrat. With an R behind identical policies, you become a ‘persona non grata’.
The heel of a loaf, I’ve been calling it.
His staff has their self-interest in mind. They now are free to seek positions with Democratic lawmakers and escape the suspicion that they are not “really Republicans”. It’s about their jobs.
The Democratic party is a totally cynical and abjectly corrupt enterprise, deserving nothing less than being rejected and abandoned post haste.
Welcome to politics. Know any politicians, who are actually in office, who aren’t?
When will the progressives and the right wing wackos finally figure out that they are both being played here. The guys on the inside play off the right and left and pass stuff like this porked to the gills and helping thier mutual friends. Oh their will be soundbites when this things passes and the insiders will have Obama talk about the accomplishment and the same insiders will have the Reps talk about how awfull it is and how they will kill it when the get back in power but none of that makes any difference. The insiders in the power stucture have crafted this thing so they make the bucks either outright in the case of industry or in the form of contributions in the case of politicians and they are laughing at us again for how stupid we all are.
No, not fertilizer exactly, the companies real name though is “Men with Sacks Full of Gold.”
That UHC contract for South and North Regions is not a done deal, not by any means.
There are ‘issues’ regarding UHC’s ‘behavior’ in the bidding process.
This just barely scratches the surface of what’s going on behind the scenes:
“Shortly after it lost the bid for the new contract, Humana filed a protest of the contract award with the U.S. Government Accountability Office, a Congressional agency that reviews contracts awarded by executive branch agencies such as Tricare. That protest was upheld by the GAO, which found in its review that Tricare did not fully consider savings that Humana likely could provide.”
It ain’t over.
Hmmm, I suggest this be considered for Reply Of The Decade . . . *G*
I seriously doubt the RNC and the Party itself would have allowed him to KEEP his previe Dem Staff, in any account.
If not resigned, they would have been fired and replaced.
Just bright and shiny ad sales copy, this story . . . .
They are simply participating in an unregulated risk pool that is privately funded. Same concept as group insurance really. I wonder what they are going to do when they get the dreaded Individual Mandate?
Speaker Pelosi. As a registered Democrat and Educator I am appalled at your behavior and policies as speaker of the house. I am urging all important members of congress to impeach you immediately. Your fascist closed door arm twisting leadership will not be tolerated by the American People.
Harry Reid’s perpetuity clause on page 1020 of the health care bill is not only unconsitutional but will result in the wrongful death of millions of citizens. (IMAB) There is no IMAB in the house health care bill.
Brian Crowell