Looking around the world, there seems to be three main ways to get near universal coverage. There is the single payer model, the employer mandate model, and the individual responsibility model. Countries can use only one of the models, or a strange combination of all three. A direct individual mandate to buy insurance from private companies is not needed to achieve universal or near universal coverage.
Single Payer
The single payer model is the simplest and most effective way to get true universal coverage (instead of near universal coverage). Under this model, the government collects money through taxation and uses it to provide everyone with basic health insurance (Canada, Taiwan, Australia, Medicare in the United States), or even to directly provide everyone with basic health care (UK, Norway, VA system in the United States). The single payer model is the most progressive health care system. It treats everyone equally, and does not place a wasteful private insurance entity between the patient and their doctor.
Employer Mandate With Social Safety Net
Another way to achieve near universal coverage is with a strong employer mandate and some form of a social safety net for the unemployed. This is how Germany, and to a lesser extent, Hawaii provide for near-universal coverage. All employers must provide employees with health insurance in Germany, and people who lose their job stay on something like super COBRA until they find new employment. Hawaii has a strong employer mandate, with many of the unemployed or underemployed covered by Medicaid. Because of the structure of Hawaii’s ERISA waiver from Congress, it has been unable to modify its employer mandate law to plug many of the system’s loopholes. Even with these loopholes, Hawaii’s employer mandate has allowed the state to achieve 92.1% coverage. Nearly identical to the 93% coverage the CMS predicts the Senate bill will achieve by 2019. Simply providing Hawaii with the House bill’s expansion of Medicaid to everyone below 150% of FPL would eliminate a large percent of the state’s uninsured.
Individual Responsibility
Some countries work on an individual responsibility system to provide health insurance. Every individual is responsible for the purchase of a private, almost exclusively non-profit, health insurance plan. In exchange for requiring everyone to buy health insurance, the government highly regulates the insurance entities, mandates the sale of only a few, precisely defined, high-quality insurance packages, and, through subsidies, makes sure everyone can afford the insurance they are required to buy. Countries like Switzerland and the Netherlands mandate every one buy insurance, and fine people who refuse. Japan similarly has an individual responsibility requirement, but it is not enforced with a fine for failing to buy insurance. The individual who does not buy insurance is reminded repeatedly that they should buy insurance, and if they need to use a hospital, they are forced to pay the back premiums for the time they were uninsured.
From the perspective of American progressives, the best system is clearly the single payer model. Compared to other countries that primarily use private insurance, our private insurance companies are shockingly wasteful, predatory, and have done a terrible job keeping down costs. Providing everyone with basic health insurance from a program modeled after Medicare would save this country hundreds of billions on health care.
If single payer is not possible, a strong employer mandate with a strong social safety net is a distant second best choice. It builds on what we currently have in this country. Since the Senate bill provides for only pathetically weak regulator enforcement, and lacks mechanisms to hold the powerful private insurance companies honest, no individual should want to buy a policy directly from these private insurers. Employers should have some incentive to want to keep their employees healthy, at least more than the private insurance companies. Companies also have more power and sway when they stand up to the insurance companies than would one sick individual. The dangerous imbalance of power between the large private insurance corporations and a single ill policy holder is not properly addressed by the Senate bill.
In the context of this heath care reform effort, the individual mandate system is such an incredibly distant third that is not really desirable at all. I have no problem with adopting a Dutch style system, but the Senate proposal is just a massive corporate giveaway masquerading as a working system. The subsidies are insufficient. The required insurance is not standardized and is comprised of incredibly high cost sharing junk polices. The regular enforcement mechanisms are a joke, and the bill lacks a strong risk adjuster, public option, and repeal of the anti-trust exemption needed to keep the insurance companies honest. Until the government actually disciplines the insurance companies and provides everyone with access to truly affordable, high-quality health insurance, forcing people to buy a very bad private product is immoral.
The individual mandate is not necessary to achieve near universal coverage, despite what many are claiming. The goal can be achieved with a single payer system, or a real employer mandate combined with a good social safety net. Even if you insist on having an individual responsibility component, it does not need to be a fine collected by the IRS. You can have a system where, when people without insurance seek treatment, they must pay back premiums (or an amount out of pocket for the care up to a level equal to the back premiums) for a set period of time.
According to the CMS, the Senate bill will only get you to 93% coverage (whether that should even been defined as “near universal” is a debate for another time). Dropping the individual mandate would only result in extremely small reductions in the number of people “covered.” Hawaii has shown us this level of coverage can be achieved with only an employer mandate and a decent social safety net. If the individual mandate were dropped, and the final bill contained the House’s expansion of Medicaid to 150% FPL and a modified version of its strong employer mandate, it should result in a roughly equal or even greater expansion of coverage than the Senate bill. The current Senate extends coverage to and additional 31 million Americans, while the House bill would expand coverage to 36 million.
The individual mandate as designed is not critical to the bill and it definitely does not need to be passed into law now, four years before it would ever go into effect. The bill would provide an almost identical expansion of coverage without it. An even greater expansion of coverage could be achieved through several other means, including a larger expansion of public programs and a strong employer mandate. When people argue about how critical the individual mandate is, they are, in reality, arguing that powerful special interests really want it and will stop any other solution (big business does not want a real employer mandate, insurance companies and hospitals don’t want an expansion of public programs), so we must give in to their demands. They are arguing not that this is needed, but that it is needed if we want to retain the support of private insurance companies and hospitals. People deserve an honest debate about why we are implementing unpopular policies which are not truly necessary.





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Doing things with a simple process that would include everyone seems to be against the ideals of the DC crowd. If they can’t make it into a Rube Goldberg style contraption, they just aren’t happy it appears.
my personal favorite would be single payer with an individuals option to add on
next favorite is the employer mandate with social obligation, I believe this is the most socially responsible;
an employer has to maintain everything they own, everything they but, everything they use
why on earth aren’t they also obligated to provide that very same service for their labor force?
I also believe that cost can be weighed against salary and be marked toward the “living wage” laws that I believe need to be in place for us to have a responsible effective economy
now here’s the funny thing;
once we have an employer mandate to provide health care then single payer would soon follow since it would be so much less expensive, employers would beging lobbying for it
o/t for Jon Walker,
Jon – tried to find appropriate slot in the War Room to leave this – but looks like format was changed – just wanted FDL folks to be aware of it:
Meet & Greet Sen Harry Reid – to speak of HCR benefits to Nevadans
1/7/10 @ 5pm
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The reason a really bad individual mandate needs to be passed now, four years before it goes into effect, is so the Democrats can commit political suicide. Otherwise they wouldn’t be being Democrats. Fuck, am I now going to be rooting for the next Congress to repeal the mandate with mostly Republican support?
“Countries like Switzerland and the Netherlands mandate every one buy insurance, and fine people who refuse. Japan similarly has an individual responsibility requirement, but it is not enforced with a fine for failing to buy insurance. The individual who does not buy insurance is reminded repeatedly that they should buy insurance, and if they need to use a hospital, they are forced to pay the back premiums for the time they were uninsured.”
As much as I think this might be a great compromise idea, can you imagine the screaming and crying of the teapartiers and their fellow travelers if anybody tried to do this, much less ‘socialist Obama’ (sic)? Seriously, as much as the right loves to crow about Personal Responsibility, they will flatly refuse to be “told” to do anything by the “nanny state”, I’m betting.
It reminds me of when a “national ID card” was proposed during the Clinton years. I said at the time that there were WHOLE STATES full of people who wouldn’t comply.
Single payer is not just best from the standpoint of Progressives. It is the only system our country can afford. Once this HCR fails, we need to start explaining to people how overpriced our system is, and how utility-like rate regulation is the only way we’ll ever get a handle on costs.
I really find the work that certain figures (Hamsher, Dayden, Walker) are doing here with reporting on and commenting on the health care “reform” disaster laudable.
The one small thing I think I can add is the idea that proponents of actual real reform – not the double-quoted variety about to emerge from the vaunted Democratic majority in the Congress – are playing out an end-game with a guaranteed loss up ahead.
The great majority of involved politicians did not want real reform. This is because their real constituents are well-connected, deep-pocketed corporate big business and special interest groups that stand to make money on “reform”. This group of cynical, self-serving sleazes certainly will include Obama himself, in addition to the infamous Rahm Emanuel, and will include probably most or all of the Democratic Congressional leadership in both legislative houses.
The question for me is not what form real reform should have taken – we have Canada and most of Northern and Western Europe for examples here. Nor is the question how to fight for real reform – professional activists and advocacy groups on the right side of the reform issue have done everything that could be done, in all likelihood.
The question for me is: “How can we the broad public and the activists and advocates who stay with us thoroughly punish, crushingly so, the obviously sleazy and sold-out politicians operating the national Democratic Party?”
Whatever the answer is, it needs to include a new “nuclear option” – not the jettisoning of the Senate filibuster, which could have been done, but the “nuclear option” that involves the Democrats’ supposed “base” they are treat like a doormat causing electoral annihilation this year. There are many issues the Democrats have failed us on, but this health care “reform” legislation is such an utter disaster for the progressive/liberal/left grassroots world that it can serve as a singular straw breaking the collective camel’s back. This legislation is a disaster for the progressive world, it will be a disaster for the nation as a whole, and for the broad public individually making up the nation.
Why shouldn’t be a disaster of epic proportions for the national Democratic Party, as well? If they are going to use their vaunted majority to screw us over, time, and time, and time again, we are better off with the Democrats blowing their majority within the first year of attaining it and waiting until, oh-say, 2067 to get back in majority in the Congress again.
Bring on the football, enter the codes, let’s have World War III in the Capitol dome. Christ, somebody start selling tickets, I want front row seats.
Jon, I thought this was a really great diary. Very factual, objective, full of truth. One small amplification: Medicare for All would save hundreds of billions annually in National health expenditures according to current estimates.
I have no confidence in the political system now run by the super-elite like no other time before it….
The American people will have to get used to being slaves and lackey’s for the rich and powerful whom don’t give a rat’s ass about any of the “rabble” and “masses” which they cannot stand. Coercion is a tool of the elite and they have been using this to near perfection.
America is a FASCIST country now run by the FASCIST Democrats and before that run by the FASCIST Republicans.
Say hello to your new lives in bondage…..and soon there will be NO JOBS to go to either. The elite have been working on how to curb workers rights here in America for many, many years and the outcomes are obvious as you look around your neighborhoods…..
The spirit of America is dead!!!!
The cliches politicians use are SICKENING!!!!
Jon, what about the concerns that healthcare costs are a large part of what’s impairing US Business from competing world wide? If employers are MANDATED to provide, and can’t band together to FORCE a reduction in costs from private insurance, where’s the benefit to our employers?
employer mandates in a global economy are insane!
Hawaii is the only state with a true employer mandate and also has the lowest premiums.
How do other developed countries hold down costs?
centralized negotiate for all provider reimbursement and a single high quality plan. You want to encourage people to go to the doctor so they get early treatment.
Your right about the NO JOBS part. Both parties elites HATE the middle class and its obvious now to anyone with eyes that they intend to destroy whats left of the middle class.
That would be MY perspective, given what I’ve read . . . hence my question to Jon . . .
Jeff Kaye is upstairs!
Will Military Torture Be Transferred to the United States?
They don’t have a private insurance market that spends 30% of their income in admin costs to deny claims and to pay to CEO/Mgmt bonuses.
I’m not sure who Jon is referring to when he replies to you with ‘centralized negotiate’ . . .
In any case and form, I maintain that an employer mandate without private insurance regulation and the dismantling of their power to DENY coverage and care is a sure means of further crippling our employers and destroying our economy . . . .
The present Senate bill (as the House will not improve it one snot) is a guarantee that our whole system is headed for collapse at an even faster rate than it is now . . . . my mind continues to boggle at the utter and complete royal screwing the American people are undergoing for jobs, healthcare, housing and every other facet of our lives.
I’d say it’s time to begin forecasting the utter collapse of it all thru depression, 50% unemployment, millions upon millions forced from their homes or rental situations into the streets . . . this has become utter and sheer madness upon the part of our government.
Why didn’t these employers, especially the large corporations, lobby for a single payer system? After the American people, they would have been the greatest beneficiary of a Medicare For All plan.
higher taxes…user fees, etc…usually they hide the true cost in taxation BS so that it’s nearly impossible to figure out how much is paid to what
We should probably stop convincing ourselves that the crowing of a marginalized fringe has any real effect on policy, other than to provide a sort of smoke screen: Astroturfers drowning out the legitimate debate on healthcare? I don’t buy it
Other countries that us non-profit insurance company policies (no country except the US uses for profit insurance coverages for basic benefits) regulate.
Policy design/coverage is set, claims must be paid with in a couple of weeks of request, premiums that will be charged must be approved, hospital equipment purchase may need approval, treatment must be in certain locations (say not in a doctors office but instead in a Hospital) and need two referrals – a lot of rules so as to inforce a “national budget for current year for health care” approach. Medicare for everyone – a variation of Canada’s approach – is much better and saves money. Oregon Medicaid approach on treatments that are paid to be listed – and if not listed there is no payment – can also be a part of “basic care universal health”. For Profit insurance then covers care not covered by the basic care plan.
I guess the only thing left to do is tell the elites where you want your chip inserted. For some reason the ass seems like an appropriate place.
I’m not sure who Jon is referring to when he replies to you with ‘centralized negotiate’ . . .
He means instead of leaving each insurance company or (heaven help them) uninsured individual to negotiate provider rates or drug prices on their own, the government could establish set provider rates for doctors and hospitals (as Medicare does now) as well as for drug prices (as the VA already does). Both the Medicare and VA regularly update and publish their payment formulas (Medicare Physician Fee Schedule and VA Federal Supply Schedule).
Since Medicare and the VA routinely pay 30% to 50% off “list price”, if Congress had simply mandated that private insurers use the same payment rates (and required them to pass the savings on to their policyholders), that would bring down premiums dramatically. But we couldn’t get single payer because the insurance lobby has too much power, and we can’t centralize price negotiations because doctor, hospital and pharma lobbyists are too powerful as well. Instead, its time for everybody to get paid and just stick the bill on the American taxpayer, they won’t mind.
I’m glad there is an individual mandate.
Believe as you will or may…..
I do not get into pissing contests with skunks…..You have much to lesrn…keep believing in fantasies. I am sure your legislators have your best interests in heart and mind when they vote against people like yourself.
Like, I said, keep dreaming on there pal!
Take it outside.
Keep hope alive. Resistance is NOT futile.
ditto
Excellent points.
I am not trying to suggest that the Screaming Meemies actually have any effect on the debate, which, as you pointed out, has been poisoned by politics and this vague idea of “what is achievable” from the beginning.
However, my point is that the anti crowd could easily get ginned up over any perceived “government intrusion” such as some agency telling them they HAVE to have insurance. This, I believe, will be the fatal flaw should the Senate version of the bill get passed without major reconstruction. And, as I pointed out, there is a long tradition in America of large swathes of the country being completely averse to anything they perceive as “intrusion”. Logical? Of course not. Deeply held belief system? You bet.
In any case, the discussion is a moot point, because we all know we’re not going to get anything like REAL REFORM. We’re going to get what our Masters allow us to get.
Somewhat OT, but “Remote Area Medical”, the group that provides charity care both in the US and aboad, is planning an outreach event in DC for early this year. Stay tuned for coverage on that. Might actually turn the debate around for our Lords and Ladies to see thousands of folks lining up for care. And many of them will have insurance not unlike the crap they’re mandating: no dental, and high deductibles and copays, making it virtually worthless and making them clients of a charity that actually started work in the Third World.
I wish you would stop misrepresenting the German health care system, as it is the oldest, and having been established before democracy was en vogue in germany, probably makes the msot sense of the systems out there.
The employer does not provide health insurance for employees. The employee chooses which of the public insurance companies (over 100) they want to be in (Or they can be in a much better service private system if they earn more than $70k a year) and the employer pays HALF (No more, no less) of their premiums, and those premiums are fixed at about 15% of Gross wages, with a minimum of about $2400 and a maximum of about $10000 a year…if your wages are above $70k your premium maxes out at $10,000 a year, of which you pay $5000 and your employer pays $5000. If you are above $70k and choose the private system, your employer will cover half the costs up to a maximum of $5000 a year. You can choose cadillac, mercedes, or even maybach private insurance if you want, but if it costs more than $10k a year, your employer contribution will only be $5k.
For self employed people they have to go the private route, or pay the max on the public route, paying their total premiums themselves.
The employee chooses their own health insurance, and can switch. all have similar premiums, when the current rate si 15%, the range between the varous ones is 14.6-15.4%.
If you choose to go into the private system, you cannot go back intot he public system, without a prolonged drop in salary below the threshold, so once you opt out you are out.
If you develop a condition while on a private system, your chances of getting another private insurance with another company are very slim (no one in their right mind would take on someone with an expensive pre-existing condition), but your current insurer has to keep you, unless you hid the condition form them prior to signing the contract.
There is a form of super COBRA that does kick in for the long term unemployed, but remember there is a general long term trend of unemployment around 10% in Germany.
Now it looks as if the democowards are gonna ram the Insurance Industry Jackpot bill down our throats and then run for the hills.Also can somebody answer this question for me?Did Tom Delay Jack Abramoff?
A-FUCKING-MEN.I know it sounds like I’m more down on democrats than republicans,and I plead guilty!I know what goddamned republicans are gonna do.It’s the democrats that piss down my back every time we put them in power!
Or you could change into the Basic Scheme (Basistarif) of any private for-profit insurer (the insurers are forced to offer this scheme — same coverage as the public system, max premiums = the max premiums of the public system, no exceptions due to preexisting conditions).
I don’t know what COBRA entails, but recipients of welfare (ALG II aka Harz IV) continue to be members of (what you termed) the “public insurance companies” (Gesetzliche Krankenkassen = GKK) in which they were members before. The local government (which is responsable for welfare) pays a standard premium of 125 Euro into the GKK. So they keep the exact same insurance as before.
It the welfare recipient was a customer of a private insurer, she or he can choose either to keep the private coverage (in which case she or he receives up to 140 Euro allowance — not sufficient for most private schemes) or to change into the public system (GKK).
Correct. I am Americanizing the terms, and using the ones they seem to use here. Just the depiction in the original article is wrong.
you are right, I forgot about the Basistariff
I also just found out a close friend in Germany who is self employed has not been insured for 2 years now, because he cannot afford the premiums.
I was also under the impression that the current lowest monthly rate was 148€, at least in the Techniker NRW, and at current exchange rates, that is about $2500 a year.