Almost all evidence points to the simple conclusion that the new health insurance market places in the Senate bill called “exchanges” will not slow the out-of-control increase in health care costs. Similar exchanges have been tried in this country and have failed to slow the growth rate in health care. The two best examples are the Federal Employee Health Benefit (FEHB) plan and the California Public Employee’s Retirement System (CalPERS).
The FEHB provides health insurance for roughly 8 million Americans, while CalPERS provides insurance for roughly 1.3 million. Over the long term, both have health care growth rates on par with the average for large employer plans. This was the general conclusion of a GAO report in 2007, and similar study in 2009 by the Kaiser Family Foundation. A GAO study from 2000 found that small employer purchasing cooperatives (very similar to exchanges) also failed to bring down overall costs. If these two public employee exchanges with decades of experience managing health care benefits have failed to control costs, there seems little reason to suspect the smaller exchange in the Senate bill will perform any better.
The Senate bill will produce at least one exchange per state, and is designed to create two exchanges per state (one for the individual market and one for small businesses), which can be merged if the state chooses. The bill will allow states to further divide up their exchanges by region of the state, or merge with other states.
For the sake of argument, let’s assume only 50 state-based exchanges are created and no state is foolish enough to follow the bill’s intention of dividing the risk pool more by creating two separate exchanges. Only about 10% of people in the country will use one of these exchanges. That means not even the largest state, California, will have an exchange with more people/market power than the FEHB. At most, five states (CA, TX, NY, FL, IL) are likely to have exchanges with more users than CalPERS. Many of the smaller states will end up with exchanges that have fewer users than several of the largest private employer-provided plans.
If you believe exchanges–which serve only as a regulated centralized marketplace for the current broken private health insurance companies–will bring costs under control, I have yet to see any strong evidence for that position. If your excuse for the failure of FEHB and CalPERS to control cost is that they lack sufficient market size to bring down cost, then the smaller, state-based exchanges created in the Senate bill are clearly doomed to fail for the exact same reason. Under this big market size theory for exchanges, only the single nationwide exchange created in the House bill, with roughly 30 million users, might be large enough to bring down cost.
Personally, I think the entire concept of exchanges as designed in either bill is flawed, based on both the domestic and international evidence. I believe only a centralized provider reimbursement negotiator for all plans on the exchange (similar to Switzerland, Belgium, and the Netherlands), precisely defined benefit packages, and/or a robust public competitor (the public option) can bring down cost. While the public option in the House bill is much weaker than I would like, I agree with the CBO’s conclusion that it would put downward pressure on premiums.
There are two reasons, the public option and large size, which lead me to believe it is possible the House bill’s exchange might bring down the growth in heath insurance premiums. This is why I support that bill. I simply have no reason to believe that the Senate bill’s system of small, state-based exchanges run by local insurance commissioners will be able to control cost. This is why I can’t support that bill.
*One caveat: Exchanges, by reducing some administrative work for both customers and insurers, will see a one-time drop in cost. By spreading the risk of a larger pool, some high-risk people will see their premiums go down, while others will see their premiums go up. A one-time drop in price due to reduced adminstrative work and averaging out the premium increases over a large group will not change the current, terrible trajectory we are on for health care costs. Average costs in the small state-based exchanges will continue to rise at the same dangerous pace as the rest of our private, employer-based insurance system. They will do nothing to stop the inpendening economic disaster that will be caused by our failure to rein in the health care industries.



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I’ve been covered by FEHB for 30 years. I can testify that the costs (Premiums, co-pays, and Rx) have steadily gone up while the number and types of plans to choose from have plummeted. It’s not the way out, it’s the way down.
I know Jon has covered this before… but can someone name 3 things in the senate bill that are good?
Good for them, or good for us?
Because there’s a lot of stuff that’s good for the insurance companies.
For us, well, they left us all our fingers. So far.
1. No doughnut hole
2. No Death Panels
3. You no longer have to contribute to Democrats because your insurance company has your covered.
can’t states combine exchanges?
PERS is almost bankrupt. By the time I retire (which probably won’t happen anyway) all the money I pay into pers will have vanished to the same place as my 401K.
Some say, we will have health care system reform that we can build on. IE: This is step one. A first step.
How do we build on a bill – improve it incrementally – that will increase costs and insure that insurance companies and big pharma monopolize the system?
A first step toward better national health care. I don’t get it.
Insurance companies are in the catbird seat. The public gets screwed.
Wow, that’s sad . . . in CA, I can’t imagine that’s to be true?
What has taken PERS down? Besides the stock market and bad financial advising, short selling, and hedging against it’s investments?
Oh. Never mind. So sorry for your loss, though . . . it’s all mounting up.
And the mounting and the mountain keep getting higher and harder to endure daily.
Sigh.
Jon Walker, still another fact laden and detailed of our screwing sans lubes.
Thanks hoss.
Jon’s going to be on Democracy Now debating Wendall Potter, 8:30 am
Why would the two debate each other?
Thought they were mostly in complete concurrence?
And what channel, and time, left coast?
Yeah, sad f’ing state of affairs isn’t it.
Potter recently endorsed the senate bill.
How is that going to happen when this is the best that congress could supposedly negotiate with the conservatives on both sides of the isle.
This is the bill Orahma wanted.
If you believe otherwise I’ve got some ocean front property in Arizona to sell ya…
Democracy Now
Oh phreakin no, I missed that . . . knew Dean flipped a third time, but missed Wendall floppin.
Shit . . . what are the odds that a whistle blower like him wasn’t threatened with life and limb?
And why is Sibel Edmonds still alive, vocal and apparently NOT muzzled by anyone?
Go figger . . .
Shit, a TV cable channel . . . . I don’t have cable and NO representation of Democracy Now on radio except at night on our local community supported station that’s actually in the foothills . . . Thanks Elliott . . .
I’m gonna miss this one . . . maybe the local community radio folks will carry it on their FM stream at 7pm, when they AIR Democ Now . . . . sigh.
What! They probably threatened his life. Wow, just wow.
One would have to be born yesterday to believe the Sickness Cartel got everything they didn’t want eliminated in the Senate Bill, but that the Cartel writers of the bill wrote in air-tight clauses eliminating any possible loopholes available to the cartel.
A rational person would simply assume that what is left is a cheese which looks like Swiss and smells like Limburger.
ay ay, Larue, you’ve got to get up to speedo
Live stream starts at 8am ET. It’s also on a bunch of satellite stations. I get it on da radio at noon. I can watch/listen to it earlier online.
Yeah. And I was SO heartening Wendell . . . . sigh.
A rational person would simply assume that what is left is
a cheese which looks like Swiss and smells like Limburgera trillion dollar give-away to the insurance industry.Not to worry, there will be podcasts
Thanks hoss, no one in this here godforsakenvalley on the air waves carries the morning feed, only ONE local station carries the evening feed.
NO Television stations carry it . . .
And we are without cable . . . or satellite . . .
Maybe I can access the internet following the show?
Bingo, that was my last question, thanks hoss, keep on rawkin and thanks for all you do for all of us.
and while I’m at it, Spencer’s scheduled to be on Morning Joe Starbucks from 7 to 7:30am ET to talk about Detroit BombFAIL
Toby Wollin is upstairs!
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I missed something . . . Amy and Dem Now stream live? OR shortly after?
Still that would be at 5am here . . . I’m not quite that um, awake . . . .
But you say they stream? Is it live, east coast times?
Wow?
Would it be possible to take a progressive state the size of a middling Europen country, and organize to help that State institute a real Public Option?
Once that would prove to be 30% less expansive than Obamacare, the Dominoes would fall all of their own, all over the country.
I’m not sure how long after the broadcast ends at 9 ET before it’s on demand online. It used to be noon ET but I think that’s gone by the wayside. I’m pretty sure I’ve watched it shortly after the broadcast. Just go to the site.
No cable or satellite? Man, you’re lucky. And from what I can tell, cuz I don’t have either (by choice), you ain’t missin’ anything. I give WMNF the money I’d have to pay for cable every month.
Yep, live stream at 8 ET and on demand at some point after the end of the broadcast, which would be 9 ET. There’s a good chance it’ll be on demand when you’re ready to watch it out there.
Good post. It’s clear that this bill will do nothing to rein in costs.
However, the House bill would do nothing fundamental to rein in costs either. Yes, there is a measly public option and the exchange is national in size, but there is scant evidence that would substantially reduce costs. The need, as you point out, for a national provider payment negotiator is crystal clear.
Senate bill…nothing.
House bill…measly.
Medicare for All…good.
“Medicare for All…good.”
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Yep. After long analysis and thought, that’s where I come down, net.
good analysis, i told Leahy that much when i got his recent panhandling email. his office, apparently, thinks we’re still scared of republicans. i kind of miss the republicans now. there was no danger of an abomination of the HCR bill that we have now, and, i got to feel good about hating them. the world has gotten to be a worse and weirder place this year.
I’ve been covered by FEHB for 30 years. I can testify that the costs (Premiums, co-pays, and Rx) have steadily gone up while the number and types of plans to choose from have plummeted. It’s not the way out, it’s the way down.
This is true. It isn’t as cost-effective as government single payer systems like Medicare or Tricare. A few years ago, the Pentagon found itself unsure how to set the premium levels for its new public option buy-in for reservists, Tricare Reserve Select.
Since DoD doesn’t charge premiums for active-duty Tricare coverage, it looked to the FEHB’s “regulated centralized marketplace” to set the reservist buy-in rates. It found a comparable FEHB plan (BCBS Standard)and then adjust premiums downward to account for reservists’s younger (and thus healthier) demographic.
Even after this premium adjustment, the GAO found at the end of its first year paying medical claims that Tricare Reserve Select rates were still 72% too high for individual reservist coverage (44% for reservist family plans). Granted, I suppose the average military reservist is healthier than the average civil servant but they aren’t 72% healthier.
‘Military Health Care: Cost Data Indicate That Tricare Reserve
Select Premiums Exceeded the Costs of Providing Program Benefits’
Lawton Chiles gave us co-ops in Florida and thousands of small businesses, myself included, bought in.
Gov. Jeb Bush (R) and Insurance Commissioner Bill Nelson (D) dismantled them because the insurance cartel whined. The premiums quadrupled, Insurance Commissioner Bill Nelson resign, took his payday and ran for the senate.
That’s how well they work.
The Senate bill does not close the donut hole for seniors’ drug plans on Part D. It helps them with 50% of the brand name drugs when the are in it.
This is from a NYT if 12/28/09
Here’s the link to the whole article.
http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/28/health-bill-benefits-for-the-impatient/?scp=1&sq=medicare%20drug%20plan%20%20&st=cse
We STILL need a public option. We are giving everything away to the insurance companies and the drug and health care businesses, like we started to in the 90s. JUST LIKE we did with the banks;
WHY? Because of the lie that a government option is socialism, the red herring of the conservative movement, hysteria fueled by ignorance, lies and lobbyist money, all of which makes a governmnent role in health care a third rail of politics, JUST LIKE happened with the thought of any regulation of business (e.g., repaal of Glass-Stegall); that the government stifles innovation and profit, etc.
IT’S THE SAME THING SAID ABOUT MEDICARE AND MEDICAID: It will be socialized medicine, we will become communists, there will be year waits for doctor visits, our health care quality will decline, blah, blah, blah. That never happened.
WHAT A GOVERNMENT OPTION WOULD DO IS BRING DOWN PRICES (Do you not know that Medicare and the Veterans Administration negotiate for fees, and thereby bring costs down for their insurance holders, instead of accepting the excessive fees asked for) WHAT IT WOULD DO IS not stifle the innovation and free market system but HELP STIFLE the ability of these companies to make excess, overly greedy profits at the expense of everyone else! IF YOU CAN CHARGE $10,000 for a service and get away with it instead of $1000, you will charge $10,000 AND THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS PROFIT POCKETED, NOT INNOVATION, R&D, ADVANCES, BUT A THIRD YACHT, THEN THAT’S NOT QUITE FREE ENTERPRISE, IT’s ROBBING YOU BLIND!
We will be underwater again, now after we have been partly ruined with the banks and brokers — with what these health insurance, health care and drug companies will do to us, like the banks and brokers did with mortgages, credit cards, student loans and everything that can made into a debt instrument that is and isn’t nailed down.
For more on the above from JASPATK1701, see my blog, http://www.wrathofmcgrath.com