Ezra Klein is trying to make the absurd claim that this Senate bill closely resembles Obama’s campaign promises on health care reform:
The health-care bill that looks likely to clear the Senate this week is not very close to the health-care bill most liberals want. But it is very close to the health-care bill that Barack Obama promised.
This claim, I feel, is just not based in reality. The following is a list of all the promises broken:
Promise:
Under the plan, if you like your current health insurance, nothing changes, except your costs will go down by as much as $2,500 per year.
The CBO has concluded that premiums for employer-provided insurance will not drop by anything close to $2,500 per year. Without reforms like drug re-importation, direct government drug price negotiations, a robust public option, or a central provider reimbursement negotiator, I see no way this reduction can happen with the Senate bill.
The Senate bill also breaks the key promise that “you can keep the insurance you have.” The excise tax in the Senate bill is designed to make your health insurance worse. It will force your employer to select plans with less coverage and higher co-pays. If you are one of the roughly 30 million Americans in 2016 who’s insurance will be lessened because of the excise tax, your current health insurance will definitely change for the worse. Obama attacked John McCain throughout the campaign because his plan would tax your health insurance benefits. Now Obama is going back on his key distinction from John McCain by promoting a bill that does in fact tax your health insurance benefits.
Promise:
Barack Obama and Joe Biden’s new National Health Insurance Exchange will also help increase competition by insurers.
The Senate bill will use state-based exchanges. This is not some minor technical distinction. By using state-based exchanges, it relies on state insurance commissioners to enforce the new regulations. State insurance commissioners do not have a good track record policing the insurance companies. They often lack the power, funding, or will to hold them accountable. Regulation without strong enforcement is meaningless.
Promise:
Allow consumers to import safe drugs from other countries. The second-fastest growing type of health expenses is prescription drugs. Pharmaceutical companies should profit when their research and development results in a groundbreaking new drug. But some companies are exploiting Americans by dramatically overcharging U.S. consumers. These companies are selling the exact same drugs in Europe and Canada but charging Americans a 67 percent premium. Barack Obama and Joe Biden will allow Americans to buy their medicines from other developed countries if the drugs are safe and prices are lower outside the U.S.
This is a pure broken promise. Obama traded it away to PhRMA as part of a secret backroom deal (which itself breaks another promise: to make all negotiations public on C-SPAN). He actively worked to kill drug re-importation when it had a real chance of being added to the bill.
Promise:
Allow Medicare to negotiate for cheaper drug prices. The 2003 Medicare Prescription Drug Improvement and Modernization Act bans the government from negotiating down the prices of prescription drugs, even though the Department of Veterans Affairs’ negotiation of prescription drug prices with drug companies has garnered significant savings for taxpayers. Barack Obama and Joe Biden will repeal the ban on direct negotiation with drug companies and use the resulting savings, which could be as high as $30 billion, to further invest in improving health care coverage and quality.
Again, this is another broken promise that was part of Obama’s secret sweetheart deal with PhRMA.
Promise:
Through the Exchange, any American will have the opportunity to enroll in the new public plan or an approved private plan… The Exchange will require that all the plans offered are at least as generous as the new public plan and meet the same standards for quality and efficiency.
There is no public option in the Senate bill. In the health care system that Obama promise the public option was not just some “small sliver.” It was going to be the benchmark against which all private plans would need to be measured.
Promise:
Affordable premiums, co-pays and deductibles. Participants will be charged fair premiums and minimal co-pays for deductibles for preventive services.
I do not believe the subsidized premiums are affordable and the subsidies are only for the 70% actuarial plans. Plans with this low of an actuarial will likely have high co-pays and deductibles.
Promise:
EMPLOYER CONTRIBUTION. Large employers that do not offer meaningful coverage or make a meaningful contribution to the cost of quality health coverage for their employees will be required to contribute a percentage of payroll toward the costs of the national plan. Small businesses will be exempt from this requirement.
The Senate bill does not have a real employer mandate based on payroll. It only has a small “free rider” provision. Because of the lack of a real employer mandate, the amount of employer-provided coverage will drop by $5 million.
Other promises not part of the official campaign plan document:
During the 2008 primary campaign, Obama really pushed that a key distinction between Hillary Clinton and himself was that he promised not to include an individual mandate in his reform package. This bill has an individual mandate.
Obama attacked John McCain for planning to tax health insurance benefits. This bill taxes employer provide benefits.
Candidate Obama promised to make the negotiations public, and, clearly, that did not happen.
To recap: the Senate bill taxes benefits and will result in millions of Americans’ insurance plans changing for the worse. It is not expected to bring down premiums by $2,500 a year. There is an individual mandate forcing you to buy private health insurance, but no real employer mandate. The subsidies will be insufficient to truly make insurance affordable. It does not create a national exchange or a public option. It does not allow for drug re-importation or direct drug price negotiations by Medicare. All the negotiations were conducted in secret, and clearly to the detriment of the American consumer. It is a massive rollback of women’s reproductive rights, something Obama promised to defend vigorously. These are not minor changes. These are core promises of the Obama campaign.
This Senate health care reform bill is nothing like what Obama campaigned on. Obama’s two biggest campaign promises about health care reform–that he repeated over and over again (no individual mandate and no taxes on employer-provided heath insurance)–were both completely broken. If Ezra Klein wants to argue this is still a good bill, he has that right, but he should not try to re-write history. I studied Obama’s campaign promises closely during the campaign, and this is nothing like the health care reform he promised. He did almost everything he promised he would not do, and he kept almost nothing of his most progressive promises to stand up to the powerful industry lobbies.




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Remember the epitaph of another ne-term President: “Read My Lips, No New Taxes.”
Obama has really destroyed his credibility in the relentless push for an HCR signing ceremony. Looks like Ezra Klein wants to ruin what remaining credibility he has, too. Of course, Ezra was for the Iraq War before he was against it, too, so he may not have much credibility left to ruin.
In another of your threads, I made a point about how this is going to compromise the ability of many people to shop for healthful food.
Do you think you could do a post analyzing the continuing inflation of groceries and how that will intersect with the exorbitant percentages of income that people will now be required to spend on health care that they probably won’t be able to afford to use when they do get sick?
Also, thank you for laying out the many broken promises of Obama’s campaign for health care reform. I’ve been running them through my brain until it makes my hair hurt.
Let’s be realistic Obama never wanted real health care reform. During the summer he cut a deal with pharmaceutical companies behind closed doors. Obama totally ignored Single Payer, he went straight to the compromise which is the Public Option. He never stood strong for the P.O.
I’m not gonna abandon Obama yet, but he’s broken so many promises it’s to the point how can we believe what he says.
I would like to see FDL’s (or someone) respond to this table:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/12/the_most_important_table_youll.html
Just trying to understand; I don’t know how CBO gets these values.
I was glad to read this current post from Jon Walker. I was thinking along similar lines in this post: Campaign Promises vs. Predictions for results of HCR circa 2015
I observed the discussion between Nate Silver 20 Questions for Bill Killers, Markos Moulitsas, Jon Walker and the rest of the blogosphere.
This discussion lead me to wonder what the actual outcome of health care reform will look like in 2015, assuming something like the Senate bill passes. I wanted to predict the outcome in comparison to Health Care Reform as promised by the Obama Campaign. It would be great to see specific predictions from pundits with more expertise.
1.) Campaign Promise: If you have coverage and you like your coverage you can keep it.
Predictions – Unless you lose your job, the higher premiums are too high, or you might not like it anymore if you are in a Union because your income is reduced by taxes on it
I posted my other 19 predictions at dailykos.
Sometimes I feel like I need to “pinch myself.” Is the “fired up, ready to go” Obama really behaving this poorly?
How many of you agree that if Obama tried to pull that “fired up, ready to go” chant with his audience at a rally today, he’d be met by as many boos as he would “ready to goes”?
Well, I suppose someone here could make a list of promises kept or mostly kept but to hell with that, nobody on this blog seems interested.
How do we ensure that this bill dies in the lower house of Congress?
Ezra Klein now lives in Accessville: it’s mirror-world over there.
Thank you, Jon, for your continuing succinct focus on what’s right.
Anyone who was paying attention during the campaign knows you’re correct, but the continuing effort in Accessville to rewrite history to favor the Corporatists might confuse people. You set them straight.
Great work — please keep it up.
(Have you considered asking the WaPo for equal space to respond to Ezra? Might be worth it just to frame their “No Way” answer.)
We are, above all, interested in divergent views. Please post your “Promises Kept” diary at Seminal! Thanks, I am looking forward to it.
Does anyone know what impact the health care bills will have on gay and lesbian families? I live in Massachusetts where gay marriage is recognized. This recognition ensures that married same-sex couples and their children are entitled to the same access to employer based health care plans as straight couples. Has there been any analysis of how gay and lesbian families in states where gay marriage is recognized will fare under the national “reforms”? I suspect they are going to get screwed.
But… but… Sotomayor!
This is an absolutely devastating piece by Jon.
I left the Republican party after 30 years because it became clear they were completely owned by the Corporate oligarchs and had sold out the country.
Now we see very clearly that Obama is owned, too. Obama is basically Bush.
We need a real progressive in the White House by 2013. Obama is not a progessive, though he sounded like one.
Should be “whose”. /nitpicking
cross-posting from another comment thread in hope of getting more response)
Not trying to argue for or against the bill – I’m just trying to desperately understand.
An AP story said yesterday – “In a bow to Senate moderates, the measure lacks a government-run insurance option of the type that House Democrats placed in their bill. Instead, the estimated 26 million Americans purchasing coverage through new insurance exchanges would have the option of signing up for privately owned, nonprofit nationwide plans overseen by the same federal agency office that supervises the system used by federal employees and members of Congress.
it also states that “At its core, the legislation would create a new insurance exchange where consumers could shop for affordable coverage that complies with new federal guidelines. Most Americans would be required to purchase insurance, with subsidies available to help families making up to $88,000 in income afford the cost.”
Now, not trying to be argumentative in the least, but how is this a bad thing? I’m a freelancer who makes around 20 grand a year – I have zero health insurance now. When I read the above, it sounds like I’ll be eligible for a subsidy to purchase a non-profit plan (thereby providing me with insurance and not making health a “for-profit” matter)
This sounds like a good thing.
Am I wrong? Please educate the naive.
All I know is Obama has a whole lot of people and groups really really pissed off about one issue another.
He needs to wake the hell up or his agenda will be dirt.
I never thought a dem president could do so much damage in 11 months to the relationships he built during his campaign.
Breathtaking really.
Well, I don’t know the specific numbers but let’s say the government gives you a $3,000 subsidy, but the cheapest plan you can get is $16,000 for the year. Would you consider that affordable – especially if you have a $50 copay for office visits and a $10,000 deductible.
Jon, thank you for pointing out the lies.
So many promises broken, not only with health care, but other policies as well. Obama had me totally fooled. No more.
Most people don’t read blogs or CSPAN – rank and file Dems still like the President.
It is amazing how the divide is so close to the Iraq war debate. The mature serious grown ups who knew how the real world worked vs the fringe whining petulant children who just don’t understand.
Ezra knows who butters his bread, if he wants to continue getting invited on talk shows he better spout the DNC lines.
Really? Are you sure his numbers aren’t slipping even among the rank and file? Because the people I talk to are pretty upset.
Health insurance companies’ stocks are rallying today, because this “reform” just makes them more profitable, while the middle class will get taxed and fleeced, paying two to three times what citizens in other developed nations pay for care. Both political parties are owned.
It’s hard to see how you can get real reform without an individual mandate. If you force insurers to cover everyone without penalty- regardless of health- then the smart thing to do is to wait until you get sick and THEN buy coverage. At that point you would have only the sick covered- doesn’t make any sense to me. Don’t know what Obama was thinking while campaigning.
It never seemed to me that Obama was anything but a centerist. That’s how he ran for the most part and how he is governing. Those who were convinced that he was a “progressive” were smoking something and ignoring the Wall Street connections.
Still- he may end up being a good president- way too early to tell.
Huffpo:
Holy Christ. I know you don’t have specific numbers – but would a plan really be around that much?
Man, if it comes down to forcing people to buying a plan they can’t afford – even with a subsidy – that’s just wrong.
Here’s another naive question: Is there not some regulation in the bill regarding how much companies can charge us poor folk?
I agree with you!
The next and most important step is to deliver the information on the Blogs Like FDL to the Masses.
We all have family and friends we can e-mail important information to.
I promise you, people want to know issues that effect their pockets and the futures of their kids.
With the large number of people out of work, and a with lot of people asking what is going on in this Nation. People need and want to know about this HCR scam.
You may want to bring this up over Holiday Dinners.
News Papers are dying, a lot more people are getting their news from the Net, but not from good resources like FDL
Good Luck
All the taxes and pain start in 2010. None of the alleged “gain” until 2014.
Drugs will cost more every year. Insurance will cost more every year. America’s national debt continues to increase every year.
This system will not work. No other nation in the world uses it. It will “fail” and Obama has failed on probably the most important domestic issue. In large part, because he is owned.
Evert Cilliers, writing at 3quarksdaily, has a lengthy, well-written take-down of Obama-the-president, and how different he is from Obama-the-candidate (an enduring theme at FDL). An excerpt:
One of Evert’s suggestions for social democrats, as opposed to corporate democrats, is to back a progressive candidate in 2012. Meanwhile, it would help to keep Obama the Appeaser’s feet to the policy fire. Drew Westen has more here (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/drew-westen/leadership-obama-style-an_b_398813.html).
And your using this type of language to describe those you disagree with clearly shows which group you fit into. Perfectly.
The Confluence has an interesting post today about Jane suggesting progressives team up with the tea party crowd, but she does not mention tapping the pumas, who are ( or were Democrats ) and share most progressives ideals, stand on healthcare, gay rights, women’s rights etc. Also, they are considerable in number and are well organized.
It was really too bad that pumas were labelled and dismissed as nuts during the primaries. I am a lifelong democrat who never, ever, considered voting for a Republican, but I did due diligence and really researched Obama’s record for myself ( I was originally excited about him too ), and it was abundantly clear to me that he was going to be exactly who he is. Like a good Democrat during the primaries, I worked hard on behalf of a candidate whose voting record, accomplishments and realistic approach to the reality of working within Washington’s power structure made more sense to me. It was with a great deal of sadness to me that I was continually called racist, stupid, a republican in sheeps clothing, loser, out of touch–all by my fellow Democrats-Obama supporters. That had never happened to me working for Bill Clinton, Kerry or Gore. It is a pretty sorry thing when Democrats forget that we do need each other, and we shouldn’t attack and name call each other like a bunch of Republicans. I think it is time to say–Dear Pumas, you were SO right, and it was a mistake to try to dismiss and marginalize a faction of our party that was actually making sense last year……..and saw this whole nightmare coming. I’m a puma and I continue to work hard for gay rights, women’s rights, real health care reform and much, much more. Pretty much the same as I always have, and yes, I signed Jane’s petition too.
A Puma
I am open to the possibility that this was the best bill that could have been rammed through this senate. If you require 60 votes then you need Lieberweasel and Nelson…. how do you get their votes?
Well, Bush rammed through massive tax cuts for the rich without 60 votes. Harry Reidless and Obama didn’t want what we didn’t get.
Serious grown-ups, like Chris Matthews (“Hey, isn’t the president’s flight suit crotch mesmerizing?”), John McCain (“I’m angry the president failed to reach out to Republicans for help in passing reform.”), or Joe Lieberman (See, Jon Stewart’s frequent imitations of Mr. Jowly Lieberwhine.)?
Does Harkin know that those who say the Senate MUST pass this bill in its current form say that it won’t ever be revisited in our generation? He’s blowing smoke if he thinks The Owners will let this be debated again next year.
The time to fix the bill is now — before it passes. And the way to fix it is to pull the mandate, so that we have a partner (insurance companies!) in our desire to revisit the bill next year. Only if the big money wants to come back around on this bill will it happen.
Dems in Congress cannot be trusted…
we must support the Arizona Health Care Freedom Act!!!!
http://www.azhealthcarefreedom.com
NO MANDATES!!!
Howard Dean – Help! Howard Dean policy prescription suggestions for 2012
To turn this country around, we need bold change:
Get out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Can’t afford the luxury.
EPA should exert its muscle to lower carbon emissions and facilitate change in the energy market.
Robust public option. Need it to control health care costs, offer affordability and open to everyone.
New Independent Medicare Advisory Board that would recommend changes, subject to an up-or-down congressional vote, if costs grow faster than a preset target. Virginia Democratic Sen. Mark Warner has usefully proposed expanding the board’s mandate to include recommendations for controlling private-sector health costs — though these, unlike the Medicare proposals, would not have a fast track to congressional approval.
Lawmakers should embrace the Warner proposal and beef it up to give the board real power, not just the ability to make suggestions that sit on a shelf. It could set spending targets, report on what sectors of the industry are failing to contain costs — and, if all else fails, propose steps to get costs under control. For example, hospitals whose prices rise too quickly or insurers with excessive administrative costs could be excluded from participating in the new insurance exchanges.
Drug Re-Importation Legislation. Get it passed because it is the right thing to do.
National Infrastructure Bank to rebuild the nation’s infrastructure and provide a national jobs program. The needs are great, and there’s widespread agreement that decisions should be made by a National Infrastructure Bank, not pork-seeking politicians.
Blue-Ribbon Commission to find a fiscal exit strategy. If the deficits continue to surge, interest payments on the debt will be stifling. More important, the mounting deficits destroy confidence by sending the message that the American government is dysfunctional. The only way to realistically fix this problem is to appoint a binding commission, already supported by Republicans and Democrats, which would create a roadmap toward fiscal responsibility and then allow the Congress to vote on it, up or down.
Break up the Too Big To Fail banking institutions. Start with Goldman Sachs and J.P. Morgan. Right Now.
Inject transparency, primarily to bring almost $600 trillion of crooked insurance scams to the forefront. Force almost all swaps onto exchanges, not just the 20% as current proposed reform does.
Enact a tax-code to encourage long-term investment and discourage short-term profit. Fortunes should not be made in minutes but over years through the creation of value to society. Tax trades.
Continue Obama administration’s education reforms. Those reforms encourage charter school innovation, improve teacher quality, support community colleges and simplify finances for college students and war veterans. That’s the surest way to improve human capital.
Loosen the so-called H-1B visa quotas to attract skilled immigrants.
Spend 3 percent of G.D.P. on basic research. Federal research money has been astonishingly productive, leading to DNA sequencing, semiconductors, lasers and many other technologies. Yet this financing has slipped, especially in physics, math and engineering. Overall research-and-development funding has slipped, too.
lucky, there’s a reason the “family of four” is always used to illustrate how great this plan is. That is because the lion’s share of subsidies will be going to families with children, so they make out the best under this “reform”. Families with children comprise only 27% of US households yet you’ll never see Ezra or other proponents of the plan illustrating it with single people or DINKs at those incomes, because it doesn’t come out looking so good.
Obama IS “fired up and ready to go” for the insurance companies and Goldman Sachs. He’s proved that time and again.
I am so disappointed that a public option did not survive. I’m sure the rest of the bill is, at best, a mixed bag by any stretch of the imagination. It’s just too bad we can’t agree on the need for relief for our citizens. Everything in me wants to say: “Scrap the whole thing!” except that there are supposed to be some good things in the parts that remain. I keep hearing/reading of opposing descriptions of what’s actually in the bill right now, so I don’t really know what’s good or bad.
My greatest disappointment is in Obama’s “hands-off” stance. It seems Rahm Emmanuel is running this show out of the White House, and I don’t think I like it at all. I fear it’s “Rahm’s bill” and not Obama’s. This is so unfortunate and disappointing. Can/does Obama ever stand up to Rahm?
No there is not. And there is no standard bearer to compare the various actuarial rates of the ‘bronze’, ‘silver’ and ‘gold’ insurance plans relative costs. As Jon has pointed out numerous times, they can charge up to 300% more for subscri… I mean err, slaves that have pre-existing conditions or are too much older.
And if I choose to buy a so-called ‘gold’ plan, is that also a ‘cadillac plan’ that I will be taxed on as well as not get any subsidies because I make more than 30,000 a year?
What a bunch of bullshit this bill is. I hope they fix this steaming pile of dog shit bill in conference.
Drew Westen has a great analysis of the Obama presidency on Huffington Post today. Link here
Thank you, Greenfun. Very well put, though it’s no real comfort knowing that P.U.M.A.s were right in their predictions of the shitstorm of disilluusionment to come. It’s still very disappointing, even if we fully expected Obama to behave in this way. Additionally, the backstabbing of Congressional and Senate Democrats choosing up sides during the primaries accurately foretold their invertebrate existence as the majority party.
What until EFCA is on the table. Organized labor is going to be in for a rude surprise but then they have a history of hitting back. Only until Obama fears the left will anything change.
I just got this cute little turd in my inbox:
Gee guys, why don’t you call in that $150MM from PhRMA?
It’s a great article and is drawing a lot of comments. Obama is looking more and more like nothing more than a grifter.
Sotomayor’s only progressive attribute is that she is Latino and a woman. Other than that she is a corporatist shill like most of the rest of our government is. I bet she will vote in favor of the Stupak amendment as soon as it winds its slimy way up through the federal and federal appellate courts and lands in the SC.
Let’s just say that Lewis Carroll wrote Alice In Wonderland with folks like Ezra Klein and Barack Obama in mind.
To paraphrase:
`I don’t know what you mean by “health care reform”,’ Alice said.
Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. `Of course you don’t — till I tell you. I meant “Rahm Emanuel was once an investment banker!”‘
`But “health care reform” doesn’t mean “Rahm Emanuel was once an investment banker”,’ Alice objected.
`When I use words,’ Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, `they mean just what I choose them to mean — neither more nor less.’
`The question is,’ said Alice, `whether you can make words mean so many different things.’
`The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, `which is to be master — that’s all.’
george:
And I would say that Barack Obama has superbly mastered health care reform newspeak. And, of course, Wall Street democracy-speak too.
this is just too much. the intense lying coming from hacks like ezra klein is equally as bad as just about anything the tea partyers come up with. but this is even more insidious because even malkin and rush butterbaugh
dont expect to to taken seriously by anyone but their extreme low information fans. kleins distortions and opinions posing as facts are truly propaganda in its higest and most complete sense and ought to be be illegal
something pooped one of those into my inbox as well. im certain that i unsubscribed to that spam months ago but there it was. i was all set to give them my reason for unsubcribing but they’ve removed that little feature. they KNOW why by now and they dont want to hear it.
tweedle dee and tweedle dum. “oh there are all kinds of big words in there”
huh, nothing “cute” about that big stinking ugly turd, IMO.
Hope you responded with what you wrote underneath.
zeppo,
in reality I would not worry much because there are tens of millions of people making between 20 to 70k a yr who will tear up their democratic voting card and vote republican once they run the ad campaigns to repeal this mandate.
Honestly, a family of 4 making 55k a yr would have to buy 10k worth of insurance under this bill(what family of 4 making 55k a yr has 2 dimes to rub together at the end of the month prior to this bill?), do you actually think they would not vote for the first republican to come out and mention the word repeal and health insurance in the same sentence?
You could be the most hardcore dem, but once you see you will be losing your house or car because of this, you will do what ever saves those possessions.
When and if the dems sign a bill including a mandate without a public, they will be conceding the 2010 and 12 elections.
personally if worst came to worse and this bill went into affect I would just pay the 700 dollar or so penalty and just use the emergency room for health care which I would guess most of the people in the 20 to 70k a yr would also do.
I have nothing to say to the D party. They know the score. They’re their own problem now.
Nice broad swipe, hoss!
A brush that big could cover the whole barn wall in one stroke!
Well done!
It continues to amaze and delight me that you PUMAS and such still believe HRC would have been any less a corporate shill and sellout of FISA, TARP, HCR, Bank/finan reform, or any reform that would have threatened the status quo of corporate facism that has a death grip on our country, its complicit military, its complicit elected offals, and a death grip on our citizenry.
Oh, I forgot Iraq, AfPak and any OTHER foreign interventions on bahalf of private contracting and corporate facists, EFCA, the soon to be coming attacks on Social Security and Medicare, Medicaid . . . and attacks on any OTHER entitlement programs or legal empowerments for women, non whites or the working middle class, and all the poor.
Absolutely hilarious. I needed a good laugh . . . the holidays are gloomy with all the reality that exists.
Agreed. And I’m not sure that fear should be borne of losing his job due to our primary efforts and voting habits.
He KNOWS, the DEMS know, the masses are angry across the board on SO many issues, that they WILL vote out non prog dems, the dems will likely lose seats in both chambers as Blue Dogs go down to R’s, and more.
So I fear, HIS fear and the Dem Party’s fear of our votes is not enough.
Fear of massive civil disobedience, millions upon millions, over a long period of time . . . a loss of corp revenues as people refuse to participate in status quo . . . THAT might have some influences on the whole system, and I DON’T mean militant repression of the disobedients.
Time will tell . . . the masses will only endure so far, and it’s heating up rapidly, it seems to me without jobs and income and housing and food as more and more are going broke . . . .
After the conference committee merges the 2 bills, how many votes does it take to pass in the Senate???
Thank you.
The truth is that Hillary and Obama are very different politicians when it come to bills passed and accomplishments. Obama never had any REAL accomplishments other than getting elected. He did get some dishonest help when he wanted to run for US senate and needed some bills passed in his name. http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/23/224059/069)
Hillary does have a great track record for helping women, children, human rights, gulf war veterans, 1st responders to 911 and on and on. It is the easy thing to dismiss her and say she would have been no different, but unlike Obama, she has a a real record of helping people who need it most. She continues to demonstrate her intellect, leadership and work ethic in the role of SOS. At some point, you need to say these big words-i was misled or duped or confused. Stop blaming Hillary because you voted for George Bush 2.
From Talkleft Mar 23, 2008
Barack Obama frequently cites his impressive record as an Illinois state legislator as an indicator of his experience in running for President.
Turns out, according to former Chicago reporter Todd Spivak, all of his legislative accomplishments were in his final 7th year and were handed to him by his mentor, Ill. State Senate President Emil Jones.
The Illinois legislature was dominated by Republicans for 26 years. These included Obam’s first 6 years in the state Senate. Not surprisingly, says Spivak, he had no legislative achievements during these years.
Jones was instrumental in changing the legislative makeup, and after he did, he became Senate President. Here’s the rest of the story: [More...]
Jones had served in the Illinois Legislature for three decades. He represented a district on the Chicago South Side not far from Obama’s. He became Obama’s kingmaker. Several months before Obama announced his U.S. Senate bid, Jones called his old friend Cliff Kelley, a former Chicago alderman who now hosts the city’s most popular black call-in radio program. I called Kelley last week and he recollected the private conversation as follows:
“He said, ‘Cliff, I’m gonna make me a U.S. Senator.’”
“Oh, you are? Who might that be?”
“Barack Obama.”~~~EDITED FOR LENGTH HERE~~~
~~~ModNote: To keep FDL within Fair Use guidelines, please limit excerpts of external content to 200 words, and provide a link.
The corrected link is here.
Thanks.~~~
“Obama has really destroyed his credibility in the relentless push for an HCR signing ceremony. Looks like Ezra Klein wants to ruin what remaining credibility he has, too. Of course, Ezra was for the Iraq War before he was against it, too, so he may not have much credibility left to ruin.”
Hey, be nice! Ezra Klein is the future of the Republican Party.
“All of our campaigns and the DCCC are facing a critical year-end fundraising deadline where the amount of money we report out will be used as a measure of our success. The Republicans are foaming at the mouth this holiday to show they have the momentum.”
Tsk. “Foams at the mouth,” eh? My, that’s a winning campaign.