There is a very insidious myth right now that there is a large group of progressive leaders who want to “kill” health care reform in its entirety. While there might be some progressive leaders out there who have advocated for this position, I have yet to hear from them. What I have heard from people like Howard Dean, Markos Moulitsas, Keith Olbermann, Jane Hamsher, etc… is that they simply want to kill the current version of the Senate bill. None of them, to my knowledge, have advocated ending all efforts to pass a health care reform bill. I believe each and every one of them have advocated for simply passing a different bill through different means. Do not heed those who are working to create a false dynamic where the only two options are passing this horrible Senate bill or passing nothing at all. The idea that there is a large group of progressive leaders trying to kill health care reform is a red herring.
The other great myth is that if this current Senate bill, thoroughly compromised to get 60 votes, does not become law it will be impossible for any health care reform to pass during this Congress. President Obama made sure to include instructions to pass health care reform using reconciliation in the budget for a reason. It is still completely possible to pass an arguably better bill with only a simple majority in the Senate using reconciliation. Progressive activists are demanding to “kill this particular Senate bill” because they know Democrats will not walk away from health care reform empty handed. If need be, they will use reconciliation. While Senator Harry Reid and Barack Obama for some reason think it is preferable to let Senators Joe Lieberman, Ben Nelson, and Blanche Lincoln gut health care reform; if they are forced to, they will use a special procedure that completely cuts these conservadems out of the debate.
While I cannot speak for other progressives, I personally have outlined at least four strategies to produce a better reform package:
- Try to pass a version of the House bill using reconciliation. Take provisions removed by the Byrd rule and pass them by attaching them whole or piecemeal to the next few big defense and/or agricultural appropriations bills.
- Use reconciliation to pass a bill with only Byrd-rule proof provisions. This would include an expansion of Medicaid, expansion of CHIP, early Medicare buy-in, public option, possibly employer mandate, etc…
- Pass the bill with no individual mandate for right now. Let progressives hold the individual mandate hostage until some point between now and 2015 (when the individual mandate goes into effect), and they will trade it in exchange for better reforms. There is zero need to have the individual mandate just sitting on the books unused for the next few years.
- Force Harry Reid to use the “nuclear option” like former Senator Bill Frist threatened to do.
I will admit number four is a long shot (although in reality it is the simplest and best solution), but the first three should be completely doable. All the progressive leaders I know who are against this particular Senate bill have advocated for similar strategies to produce a better reform package.
The real choice is between: this current terrible Senate bill, a potentially much more progressive reform package passed using hardball tactics, or no health care reform bill at all. Obama and the Democratic leadership clearly prefer the first option, but they have also made it clear that they will not accept complete failure by passing no bill at all. If they can’t get this massive, corporate giveaway Senate bill passed into law and are left with no other option, they will using reconciliation.
The argument is not between people who say pass this imperfect bill and uncompromising, ideological, progressive straw men saying “kill all health care reform because we are unhappy.” The argument is really between some who say we should cheer for our representatives in Washington whenever they pass some terrible of pile of broken promises and others who are demanding that our elected officials use every tool at their disposal to fulfill the promises they made. Progressive leaders are not upset that the reform is imperfect. They are angry because our elected officials have the ability to fulfill their promises to pass a much better reform package but refuse to use hardball tactics to live up to their promises. Killing this current Senate bill is not an act of progressive nihilism; it is the first step in a strategy to force our members of the Senate to admit they can, in fact, pass a more progressive bill.
Until progressives start demanding Democrats in Congress serve us something better than BS sandwiches that will be the only thing we ever get to eat. Those on the “left” who say we should push for the passage of this terrible Senate bill because it is “the best we can get” are lying to you. By being enablers of this myth that Democrats can’t do better, they are, in fact, fighting against long term progressive change.
Things will never get better until you demand they get better. Do not buy the nonsense of those who say you must accept expectations so low that you are practically eating dirt. Do not buy the lie that we need to elect “just a few more Democratic senators,” because the real problem is that the ones we have refuse to do their jobs. We need thousands of voices all calling out the truth that the Democrats in Washington have the tools at their disposal to do much better. This is what it means to speak truth to power.



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Jon,
You’ve been heroic in your analysis of the health care debate. At least your efforts helped to close Reid’s horrible annual limits loophole.
I wonder what you make of all the progressive Senators folding so easily, on so many fronts. Not just on cloture, though that’s bad enough. But on drug reimportation??!!
Are they really, truly willing to sacrifice everything for any kind of bill that expands coverage? Or do they really believe they can make substantive changes in conference and/or have been promised other policy initiatives down the line? I’d note they’ve allowed the introduction of the manager’s amendment on a timeline that’ll cut off all further floor amendments!
When even people you respect like Bernie Sanders turn on you (for an earmark?), you have to wonder what the deal is. Or are they all lemmings in the Senate, willing to back the White House no matter what?
Good Morning! Progressives
It is time to fight fire with fire!
We must first understand that Barack Obama is a Republican, so the idea of him having to deal with a Republican Congress in 2011-2012 is fine with him.
The biggest myth in America is the Left is not Majority. Hello PEOPLE! The pictures you see on TV about the TEA PARTY/REPUG PARTY don’t lie, the GOP is a DYING PARTY. (GOP is a southern party at best with no growth)
What all PROGRESSIVES have got to understand is everything is changing. THE Democratic Party is just a BRAND NAME. Progressives need to use that Brand Name like everyone else has been doing.
REMEMBER THIS!!! THE PEOPLE WHO KNOCK ON DOORS AND MAKE PHONE CALLS DURING CAMPAIGNS ARE THE NEW KING MAKERS. WHO EVER CONTROLS THEM CONTROLS THE GAME.
Robert Gibbs and David Axelrod know that without the NET ROOTS, they will never win the WHITE HOUSE!!!
What we must do is learn how the ELITES play the game! Barack Obama like Ronald Reagan was a great ACTOR. Barack Obama acted like he was a progressive to get elected.
Progressive Candidate need to learn how to act like ConserverDEMS, Republicans, etc to get elected! At the end of the day the only thing that matters is getting to the House or Senate! Once you get to the House or Senate you can transform into a PROGRESSIVE. (What is BEN NELSON? A DEM? I don’t think so! He is a Republican)
We are going to connect with our various networks we use in the 2008 election. The college students of course are going to be PISSED! But we are going to show them the power they have.
Barack Obama and the elites are showing us the way!!! It is all about ACTING!!! If you live around a bunch of Republicans talk and walk like them on the Campaign Trail, and once you get to the Senate or House transform into a PROGRESSIVE. The democratic party is just a name. Our plan features a lot of SHOCK and AWE!
The key ELEMENT we will be working on to keep our Progressives loyal is Persuasion MONEY, and the control of the MAIL LIST will stay with us.
Progressives we must use this Insurance Bail Out Plan to challenge Weak Dems who currently are in strong Progressive districts! They are easy Targets!!!
For example let us look Weiner!
His district is safe? Not Really.
Once Weiner and other weak Dems vote for this Insurance Bail Out! They will be easy to beat.
Picture this Debate! In New York
Weiner comes in with GQ persona.
“The Real Progressive” ask Weiner, why did you vote to force people to buy INSURANCE?
Weiner will not be able to answer this question and keep his base happy! So the Insurance Bail Out Plan may Help us get rid of Weak Dems.
THIS IS A GREAT DAY FOR PROGRESSIVES!!!
Yep this bill sucks and should die. Then start anew with one that is Health Care and not corp. welfare.
oops comment got eeted:
LOL
Notice how setting up progressive straw men to be burned eliminates all substantive debate about the bill. This is all about beating the uninformed progressives now. The perfect elite game.
Of course this bill is a step in the right direction.
It does nothing to reduce the costly waste of everyone’s time and money with the insurance paper work.
Let’s see now we’ll need another buraucracy to determine who is eligible for what asistance with the premiums.
We’ll need to expand the IRS to enforce the mandate.
More federal prosecutors and jails for those unamericans who will resist forced purchases of shit insurance.
This is reform. Reduce costly overhead by making more work
Does the CBO factor this in in their cost estimates?
Conrad direct challenge to Nancy Pelosi and the House is interesting.
Conrad’s statement may be a sign to the House to KILL the bill.
Remember, Robert Gibbs, David Axelrod, and David (the so call genius) Knows without the Net Roots, The OBAMA is a one term or 12 month president.
Nancy is going to be force to change something in the BILL, now to maintain her creditability as the leader of the HOUSE.
Obama wants to be a two term President! ABOVE all else!
Why not let Nancy in the HOUSE destroy the Bill? Obama is trying to save face with his base.
Conrad challenge to House is very interesting?
And another office to run that clearing house. I’m sure there are ways to increase overall costs.
Well thousands of new federal employees will help with the unemployment.
Obama is trying to save face with his base.
hahahahahahahahaha
Srsly?
Someone please explain to me why the Rethugs can use their blatantly partisan tactics like the filibuster, to obstruct legislation, but the Dems cannot use their blatantly partisan tactics, like reconciliation, to pass legislation? Who is really in charge? That’s a rhetorical question, of course. Oh, while we are at it, how is that federal funds cannot be used for a legal medical procedure like abortion in the US, but federal funds CAN be used to support churches via the subsidy of property tax exemption? How is it that this ever came to pass, and how does such a contradiction continue to give assholes like Ben Nelson so much unquestioned influence over legislation? As long as the right continues to win this kind of debate, health care reform and other reforms will be religious issues that discriminate against the non-religious and use the Almighty as a weapon.
I am thinking if congress does not cede their power, they will simply re-position their bill and send it back to the senate
THAT WOULD BE COOL!!!
Liberal and progressive Democrats are being shamelessly triangulated by the White House. A question we as a movement must resolve is; shall we succumb to being split off into a splinter constituency or,, at the extreme, leaving the Party? Or shall we deny and hold firmly to all outward appearances that we are firmly within the Democratic Party as idealogical Democrats?
The natural rift within the country I believe is class. Both parties represent corporate autocracy. Is there will for a Labor Party? Personally I would love to see that emerge but as far as I can tell there is not enough will among those of us who work.
That’s my diary.
The mandate is the deep threat that needs to be taken out. This mandate idea of forced join and pay into for profit health insurance with IRS muscle being used to force penalties is the Horse for Troy here brought to us by AHIP bearing gifts.
This mandate is the genuine policy formation that will cripple moving to a Single Payer,Medicare For All format with the profits taken out.
Much of what stinks with this so called reform can be taken on and out in future political shoot outs but taking out this mandate premise here in 2009 would be the real and genuine victory.
Why did Barack Obama take out SP? Who is getting AHIP political money going into 2010 elections? The D Party and its leader need to come clean.
Take out the mandate. It is the real threat to progress in American healthcare. AHIP wants to be in pole position. AHIP must cease to be.
The simple truth is legislators never let anything get in the way between them and their vacations.
As for progressives being blamed, that was always going to happen with regard to any aspect of the bill the Administration didn’t like. Just as if the bill passes and turns out to be an unholy mess (which it will) progressives will be blamed for that.
Let us also not forget that a lot of single payer advocates got seven kinds of hell from public option supporters for not backing the bill that public option supporters now want to kill. So it isn’t like they haven’t engaged in some of what they are now preaching against.
This is the bill the White House wants, the insurance company wants, the Congress wants. Because it is not the bill they spoke about on their White house web site, and because it is not the bill Candidate Obama advertised on the campaign trail, those who want to push this travesty through have to lie: They say, “Its the best we could do.” when what they know is, “This is what we want to give you and no more.” We who have advocated for affordable universal coverage and a public option are not self-destructively advocating for no healthcare reform. No. We are simply saying that this bill is no longer something that we support. Because we are calling the White House and Senate on their lies about this bill, they are angry with us. We understand that. We will not accept however the responsibility for this bill, nor continue to support its promotion and passage as it stands. So what does the angry White House do? It projects onto us its own anger. We are now accused of angrily wishing to kill their bill, when really, they probably would like to kill us. Just my theory, but it works for me.
It is time for all progressives to support the Arizona Health Care Freedom Act — http://www.azhealthcarefreedom.com...
no mandates — we cannot trust supposed ‘progressive democrats’ to protect us from big insurers and big phrma…
THE BEST?
Dems say about the health care bill, “It’s the best bill we could come up with”.
In other words, the truth is the political system is totally irrelevant, Congress is employed full time by mobsters and their only job is to deliver other people’s money to an unelected group, represented by government agencies and private industries. Obama has a seat at the table, his credential is the administration of government. A sort of super-redundancy. Whatever shit isn’t covered by Defense, State and Treasury; he’ll take care of.
The unelected powers are neither right (strictly speaking) or the left. Sitting down with an individual company in Chicago in order to accomplish social goals worked for him because individual companies had accounting rules under GAAP, that allowed them to write off their guilt as intangible assets or goodwill, as it is known to you and me.
Not so with the crowd that Obama is seeking support from. Their rules are more simple i.e., we win, you lose. Is that what e meant by the unintelligible notion of bi-partisanship where everybody gets paid off.
Electoral politics? What a quaint Idea. More quaint than old Europe. The health care bill; it’s a pile of crap. The senate is a pile of crap. Congress has become a joke.
No progressive should stand for it. The limousine Liberals are resigned to it. I never really knew where the dividing line between them and us was until now. It is partially class, partially aspiration to class but mostly, it is cynicism.
As the moron tea baggers turn on the Republican party, I cannot even derive shadenfrende from it because, like the tea baggers, Republicans and Democrats are totally irrelevant. When people catch on to the new realignment, they will turn to the tea baggers in revolt.
Easy for me to say that we should reconstitute the IWW tactics of the wobbles, I can barely make it through a town hall meeting for health care sponsored by Sherrod Brown. What else would get me to a church, let alone into a backbreaking pew?
M.L.K. Jr. was present at all of the marches and went to jail, suffered the indignities leveled by the political establishment and was still able to move us to find our own source of personal power while at the same time believing in, without demanding adherence to his God. I loved him for that, because he wanted me to keep my own heart and helped me find my unbelieving soul.
I am white, still marginally middle class and an existentialist. I am 65 yrs. old and I have never passed up an opportunity to vote. If Obama continues to by-pass the political process by going to the unelected establishment powers for support, I will sit out the next presidential election.
There is a huge progressive and independent base, they only lack leadership.
Jon “The real choice is between: this current terrible Senate bill”
Is there a fourth scenario that Harkin, Sherrod Brown are making us think can happen? Pass this bill and change particulars down the line?
Also
Jon “Those on the “left” who say we should push for the passage of this terrible Senate bill because it is “the best we can get” are lying to you. By being enablers of this myth that Democrats can’t do better, they are, in fact, fighting against long term progressive change.”
There sure seems to be quite a bit of evidence to back up some of this fearmongering. Efforts to reform failed during LBJ, Nixon, Clinton. Were there efforts during Carter’s four years?
This argument for “incrementalism” does make some sense based on the failures of the past. Just that I thought the “incrementalism” strategy would start with having the “public option”/ a real choice for consumers.
When you start your “incrementalism” strategy with the “Insurance Industry Profit Protection Act” passed. The only way I can see “incrementalism” move is in the direction of more profits for the Insurance Industry.
Do you know if the “dead peasant” (Micheal Moore exposed in “Capitalism a Love Story “issue has been addressed in any of those 2000 pages?
I advocate building what I call a first party made up of ordinary Americans by using the Democratic access to the ballot to primary Democratic candidates from within the Democratic party. If we ever develop sufficient mass, we could break away at some point in the future. It is important to note that we would only be using the Democrats’ machinery to get our people elected. It would not represent an alliance with them. They are corporatist. We are populist.
Probably “dead peasant” is enshrined in the bill, gotta keep shakin’ that money maker.
I do like #3, no mandate from day one, let it molder while we “try to change more incrementally over the next few years.” As if, but yeah.
What’s wrong with wanting to kill a deeply flawed bill? Is Congress so dysfunctional and incompetent that they can’t ever again reform health care, wholly or piecemeal, if this bill doesn’t go forward? If so, we should be looking at reforming how Congress works.
This bill must be killed. It’s a grotesque parody of health care legislation, a thinly disguised giveaway of vast amounts of taxpayer funds to insurance and pharmaceutical profiteers. Worse, it turns over complete control of America’s health care system to the profiteers.
Any replacement bill should be built on the premise that health care is a human right, not a commodity. I favor a single system for this reason, and its simplicity and efficiency.
Perhaps once this bill has (I hope) bit the dust, a way to set up a true health care system might be to follow in Canada’s footsteps, starting with one or two states, and using those as examples, and expanding the system from there to a national program. Some states are already working on it (California’s bill was twice vetoed by the governor, but the bill will last longer than he will), Pennsylvania is having serious discussions in their legislature – with bipartisan support.
I have been actively advocating for single-payer health care for more than two years now, and am stunned by the fact that a majority of U.S. citizens’
voices are being so actively ignored by the administration and its minions in Congress. It’s like bouncing off a rubber wall.
Rahm Immanuel said not to bother about the Progressives, they’re gone. I guess we’ll have to find a way to prove that we’re not gone, perhaps being “gone” on election day will drive the point home.
On Moyers it was pointed out that no one in DC fears Obama. The real problem lies in the fact that Obama does not fear the left. Until their is a legitimante movement beyond the internet nothing changes. Until environmental, latino, black, peace, gay, women, consumer/patient, labor etc. band together to speak as one voice nothing changes.
According to a recent study it’s been estimated that 45,000 people die yearly as a result of the U.S.’s inadequate health system. That’s 45,000 people who are casualties of the the class war. Until people realize there is a class war in the U.S. nothing changes.
Wendell Potter and Howard Dean did a conf call with bloggers on Friday. Both felt that the bill might be worth passing if they could take all the noxious crap out in conference, leaving the good stuff in, i.e., don’t expect to put back the good stuff and get it by Joe & friends. What will the Republicans do, vote against it?
Since Medical Loss Ratio of 90% (Rockefeller) was lowered, blogger C&L Susie Madrak suggested that we limit insurers on the exchanges to those with a good MLR. Dean didn’t think that would get by the CBO, but offered that the state exchanges might (per a Kerry amendment – don’t know its fate) be able to require insurers to disclose their MLRs to consumers, allowing them to choose insurers that spend the most money on health instead of CEO bonuses and jets. Competition. What a concept.
TalkingStick
I totally agree! We just use the Democratic Machinery to accomplish the goals of progressives.
In my more rational moments I agree. To permit the splitting, ie triangulation, to succeed as a White House strategy will only diminish our cause.
A problem however in mounting primary challenges in states like mine, I believe first must involve some grassroots efforts to unseat the entrenched , really since Construction days, party leadership conservatives who call themselves Democrats.
Let’s now work to dump the bums—-we need to organize and mobilize to defeat those Democrats who sold us out….Bashing these yahoos for being weaklings is not going to “change” anything…..
Jane Hamsher—Keep Up the GREAT WORK…..
Change WILL NEVER COME FROM THE TOP-DOWN FOLKS!!!!!
The Washington establishment sees the netroots as scary because it’s a way for people to communicate, organize and mobilize and they get scared that their ways might be jeopardized.
This Bill is a DISASTER and as I have said before which I also mean—A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE….
America’s economic system is in way worse shape than these political elites in Washington admit but believe it is. Inflation and the economic mess will occur soon after the New Year and the dollar is plummeting worldwide as we communicate here. America could soon look very much like a third world country all over.
This Healthcare plan sets up a far worse class system healthcare system than which already exists.
Thanks.
Shame would seem to be one of the tactics employed by the Obama administration in correcting bad behavior of corporations. Of course corporations have no conscious let alone a soul. If MLK were alive today I have no doubt that Obama would be feeling the sting of righteous indignation and shame.
Has anyone else noticed the inherent contradiction of asserting that the reform bill has to include a mandate for young healthy people to buy insurance, otherwise premiums for older people will skyrocket, while at the same time the bill contains a clause that asserts that the premiums for older people can be 3 times higher than for younger folks (thus making premiums skyrocket by 300% for older folks)?
45,000 casualties of the class war.
Eggfuckingzactly
Howard Dean, most recently on MTP, is I think giving us the idealogical theme. That is; this bill is committing us for 30 years to a system of Corporate Health Care. I don’t think that is what the people want.
You are correct. It is an example of looting. When we hear Obama and the Congress talking about healthcare, we should keep this word in mind. It clarifies the issue marvelously.
Class war in the U.S. is more effective in killing it’s own citizens than in it’s efforts at killing terrorists, and they don’t even need the military to keep the body count high.
Sen. Harkin was on Rachel the other night asserting simultaneously that if we pass the crappy bill, congress will come back and fix it next year, And that if the bill is killed nothing will be accomplished on HCR because Congress will be TOO BUSY with other important issues next year. That makes it pretty clear that if this bill passes, Congress has NO intention of coming back any time soon to clean up this POS.
Yes, in general those who have carped most about the costs of the healthcare bill have done the most to increase those costs. It is always the sign of a rotten process when we can find contradiction after contradiction in the arguments put forward to justify what really can’t be justified. As I said in my comment #35, if you look at the healthcare debate as a form of looting, these contradictions begin to make a lot more sense.
Yes, Let’s Kill the Bill!!!!
But it’s obvious that it will be passed through…..by the weaklings in Congress……The Congress will be dutifully obeying the Emperor Obama and his puppet masters in the White House…..
Did Obama really run himself, or, was he chosen by the Axelrod-Daschle-Emanuel Cartel because he spoke well and has a nice smile? You know, the more “humane kind” of leader to that of Bush and Cheney, but still carry out all the policies of Empire?
John Pilger has great commentaaries on the branding/marketing of Obama and one of his articles is entitled: “The Madmen Did Well“
There is also the contradiction that Obama asserted that he would be the last President to deal with healthcare, presumably because the bill would deal with the issue for a generation. And yet the meme is being peddled that they will come back and fix it.
Dead peasant policies are life insurance policies, not health insurance policies. They do affect health insurance issues since if the employer makes money off dead employees but only pays money to provide health insurance beneifts, it’s going to affect health benefits decisions, but I wouldn’t expect it to be in a bill specifically about health insurance reform.
NPR actually had healthcare lobbyist and initial Obama pick for HHS, Daschle on yesterday. He thought the bill was great and I am sure it is for those who pay his salary. He also said Congress could come back and fix it which translates roughly as “never going to happen”.
Might be time to move back to the old country and escape the economic oppression here in America….I ain’t kidding either…..
Ding, ding,ding, ding!!!
Oh stop being so dishonest. FDL and Kos sure as hell did call for the bill to be killed. Now you’re all backpedaling because you’ve realized that that position makes you completely irrelevant.
Either you can have leverage with the Dems (which would require not working to kill Dem legislation) or you should start a viable third party (almost impossible, I know, but if you despise the Dems so much, not much other choice).
“Class war” is right! Or as emptywheel calls it, very aptly, neo-feudalism. Look at the economies that have been targeted by Perkinsian economic hit men. How are their middle classes fairing?
It’s all about our modern, self-appointed Lords and Ladies overseeing their vassals while converting us self-sovereign citizens into serfs. It’s a modern reincarnation of the Middle Ages, complete with droite de seigneur, the “right” of a Lord to take a bride’s virginity on her wedding night, only now it’s mistaken for the “nobility’s” god-given right to screw us royally.
Killing the Senate bill has nothing to do with killing all reform this year in general.
Did you even read the article? “Kill the bill” is not the same as “kill health care reform altogether.”
HA! Beat me to it.
Thanks, Jon, for another great article exposing the purposeful use of carefully scripted myths to jack us to hell. You’re rocking my world.
Listen, !#$%*%#!!! It’s blindly going along with whatever the Dem leadership hands us that makes us irrelevant. They don’t have to listen to us or take our opinions into consideration if they know we’re willing to go along with whatever the result is. And the only way to prove that we aren’t going to back down and eat their POS bill is for us to scream loud now!
And Hello? Jon is absolutely right that no one wants to kill Healthcare Reform, but we do want to kill THIS POS bill.
Well, ‘healer’, we’ve been hearing a lot from you lately about how we can’t trust progressives any more. But what is on your website, which you are urging us to link to in every comment, indicates to me that you have never trusted them:
So if you’re trying to pass yourself off as a disillusioned progressive, nice try.
Well, Eg, I wouldn’t exactly call it a “nice” try. Merely ham-fisted.
I have heard Harkin (who I have deep respect for) say this several times via the MSM. Just dot understand how the theory of “incrementalism” can apply when you have all ready passed the “Insurance Industry Profit and Protection Act”
Harkin keeps talking about competition happening in the exchanges
Yes. Kill this flawed bill and make the Congress and the President start over an produce a real reformed, single payer system.
“public option” was the compromise.
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night so, they’ll solve this problem for us because they think like
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A. No, because money is the life blood of America, we can solve all of our problems with money .
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Vampires won’t miss them. Say, our sick people die, that can generate a lot
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Q. What about the really pure Vampires. The ones who need direct infusions of money and can’t wait to earn it dishonestly?
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anyway!
Jon, Thanks for a terrific piece. And Hugh, thanks for a great series of comments.
I couldn’t care less if there’s “very insidious myth right now that there is a large group of progressive leaders who want to “kill” health care reform in its entirety.” This desperate whining that “we have to have health care reform now” and its accompanying grandstanding is ruining our bargaining position. and making Federal Romneycare a sure thing.
good catch
Perfect! Thank you.
The Streets of Washington
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Created by David Axelrod
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Written by Big Insurance & Pharma Companies
I forgot to mention that FreedomWorks is touting that organization too! How nice. s/
Barack Obama’s “Time Has Come for Universal Health Care” Speech from January 25, 2007:
“Plans that tinker and halfway measures now belong to yesterday. The President’s latest proposal that does little to bring down cost or guarantee coverage falls into this category. There will be many others offered in the coming campaign, and I am working with experts to develop my own plan as we speak, but let’s make one thing clear right here, right now:
“In the 2008 campaign, affordable, universal health care for every single American must not be a question of whether, it must be a question of how. We have the ideas, we have the resources, and we must find the will to pass a plan by the end of the next president’s first term….For too long, this debate has been stunted by what I call the smallness of our politics – the idea that there isn’t much we can agree on or do about the major challenges facing our country. And when some try to propose something bold, the interests groups and the partisans treat it like a sporting event, with each side keeping score of who’s up and who’s down, using fear and divisiveness and other cheap tricks to win their argument, even if we lose our solution in the process…For years, the can’t-do crowd has scared the American people into believing that universal health care would mean socialized medicine and burdensome taxes – that we should just stay out of the way and tinker at the margins….”
Speech can be read @:
http://obamaspeeches.com/097-The-Time-Has-Come-for-Universal-Health-Care-Obama-Speech.htm
EMPTY SPEECH & EMPTY WORDS!!!! That’s Barack Obana for ya!
FYI–I do not consider myself to be “liberal” nor “progressive.”
I am an avowed Socialist-Radical who abhors empire, wars, and policy designed for the rich and wealthy such as this healthcare bill.
And do I admire Hugo Chavez? YES I DO!!! I am not afraid to admit such truths at all.
Do I admire the American Empire which ignores its own people? NO and NO and NO!!!!!
For craps sake, even Dorgan was played the fool on the drug re-importation amendment. He says he had the 60 votes.
With proponents now chanting death to America if the bill fails, the House doesn’t stand a chance of making the bill any better.
Think of who the real bill killers are. Obama may very likely lose much of the roots support for a second term because he handed over, on a golden platter, the #1 most important Democratic issue to Joe Lieberman, the Moderates and to the Right.
Health care, insurance reform and now we discover even drug re-importation, were all distributed out and pieces sold to the highest bidders long ago.
For the past 5 months Obama, Reid and Rahm Emanuel played us along like the hopeful idiots we were.
Yet on the two issues most important and beloved to Republicans, war and finances, Obama took the bull by the horns and did what he felt he had to do with the bail outs, the stimulus, Gitmo and Afghanistan, throwing only a few bones to the Right.
Compromises, I understand and accept. But sell me out, and I’m done with you.
On the one hand, they tell us that this is our One Chance to achieve health care reform; that it will be another generation before it comes around again.
Then they turn right around and tell us that they need to pass this less-than-optimal bill now so they can come back and fix it in the near future.
Huh?
You can go as deep into the weeds of legislative procedure as you like, but the stark reality is that the Democrats have failed here. Barack Obama might as well change his name to Jimmy Carter, because he is done for. The Republicans are going to retake the House in 2010, and cut the Democrats’ majority in the Senate in half. In 2012, the new president will be Mitt Romney.
The so-called progressives will piss and moan about it all, and other Democrats might notice too. But no matter: The only place for them to file their complaints will be in front of the nearest mirror. I am a lifelong Democrat who contributed almost $30,000 in the last few elections, and I’m done with them. Let’s face it, the Democratic Party is irrelevant.
Obama got in, he played the political game. I thought that the rhetoric of change was more important than the equivocating statements he made for example; on Afghanistan. How horrible has that turned out? I thought he would seek support from his base, uh uh. He went to the power brokers for a safe (for now) place to hide.
I hope he’s a fast learner. What the hell is he going to say to us in 2012? “I’m going to dump Hillary, Bill Gates, Geitner and Rahm”? That would get my attention, depending on his new picks. That would tell the story if he is ready to govern and to lead. We can fulminate all we want but none of can predict the future and it is important for progressives to learn how to wait, see realty (even if it looks like shit) and choose your battles and alliances as they present themselves, There is more at stake than health care. This bill is a pile of crap but the progressive movement is real and we can’t let that become a pile of crap.
When dad let me use the car, there were strings attached. It’s the same now wiyh Obama. He is cautious and careful, even timid by nature, just like dad. That doesn’t make him a conservative. Almost everybody is the same way, Republicans want people to believe that it means people are conservative politically. Not so.
Obama made deals behind our backs. Just like dad. Obama is winging it. Just like dad, but we thought he knew what he was doing. Well, we’re on to him. It’s not like we don’t know what to look for. This is a slow game, you’re not going to spot the rope-a-dope right away. If he has gone over to the dark side, then he’s in the right place but if he hasn’t gone over, he in a dangerous place. That’s not politics, that’s a war with the conservatives who have been itching for a fight since the end of reconstruction.
You have to be smart with these assholes. I trust all of you to figure this out as it is happening. Right now, the fight for social justice is being played out in mock politics but you ain’t seen nasty yet.
Obama got in, he played the political game. I thought that the rhetoric of change was more important than the equivocating statements he made for example; on Afghanistan. How horrible has that turned out? I thought he would seek support from his base, uh uh. He went to the power brokers for a safe (for now) place to hide.
I hope he’s a fast learner. What the hell is he going to say to us in 2012? “I’m going to dump Hillary, Bill Gates, Geitner and Rahm”? That would get my attention, depending on his new picks. That would tell the story if he is ready to govern and to lead. We can fulminate all we want but none of can predict the future and it is important for progressives to learn how to wait, see realty (even if it looks like shit) and choose your battles and alliances as they present themselves, There is more at stake than health care. This bill is a pile of crap but the progressive movement is real and we can’t let that become a pile of crap.
When dad let me use the car, there were strings attached. It’s the same now with Obama. He is cautious and careful, even timid by nature, just like dad. That doesn’t make him a conservative. Almost everybody is the same way, Republicans want people to believe that it means people are conservative politically. Not so.
Obama made deals behind our backs. Just like dad. Obama is winging it. Just like dad, but we thought he knew what he was doing. Well, we’re on to him. It’s not like we don’t know what to look for. This is a slow game, you’re not going to spot the rope-a-dope right away. If he has gone over to the dark side, then he’s in the right place but if he hasn’t gone over, he in a dangerous place. That’s not politics, that’s a war with the conservatives who have been itching for a fight since the end of reconstruction.
You have to be smart with these assholes. I trust all of you to figure this out as it is happening. Right now, the fight for social justice is being played out in mock politics but you ain’t seen nasty yet.
The other day Harkin described the present legislation as the foundation, framing and the roof of a new home. That we could add the plumbing, electric, insulation, the rest of the house later.
How do they plan on doing this when they just put all of the money that is going to be mandated for the newly insured into the hands of insurance companies?
This is frightening; I’ve rarely read a more a more pessimistic and disillusioned group of people. If this sample is representative of the Democratic Party, we really are in trouble. Of course I’m pessimistic about a system that so obligates “our” legislators but the system isn’t new and there are certainly reasons for optimism.
The argument that this bill, if passed, will be the last word are specious. Anyone who doesn’t believe that a public option amendment will closely follow passage of this bill don’t know Chuck Schumer or Bernie Sanders. We amend the tax code and Social Security every year and this bill will be no exception. With something to amend, there will be no end to legislative activity to change this bill, both positively and negatively. Once on the books, this bill will be just as fluid and dynamic as Social Security and Medicare. The real danger would be to try to start over from scratch, with nothing on the books. Politicians that say that it is far easier to fix problems with existing legislation than to pass a perfect bill speak from experience; please listen. Kennedy has long felt that he should have accepted Nixon’s compromise.
Long ago Obama pointed out that health care doesn’t have to be reformed in a single bill. Passing the public option and strengthening MedPAC under reconciliation is hardly off the table; we just can’t talk about it openly yet without jeopardizing passage of the current bill. However, Ron’s third strategy would be a mistake. Bills that pass under reconciliation must be revenue neutral and the part of expanded coverage for which the government will have to pay make the individual mandate extremely expensive. If we put the mandate in a reconciliation amendment, we will have to bring the taxes in the current bill with it. That is completely unnecessary because a majority of Senators already support the public option and there is no doubt that it will be in bills next year.
I e-mailed Obama at the beginning of his term to say that everything we are trying to do will be easier if we pass campaign finance reform first. I can hardly argue that our current system is broken. Unfortunately, it is the only system we have at the moment and ignoring it in our arguments will only hinder the progress of our agenda.
“The biggest myth in America is the Left is not Majority. Hello PEOPLE! The pictures you see on TV about the TEA PARTY/REPUG PARTY don’t lie, the GOP is a DYING PARTY. (GOP is a southern party at best with no growth)
What all PROGRESSIVES have got to understand is everything is changing. THE Democratic Party is just a BRAND NAME. Progressives need to use that Brand Name like everyone else has been doing.”
I think that’s what we just did–attempted to use the “Democratic brand name” to get changes desired by the majority.
That it’s not working seems evidence that the Democratic brand name is going to be the corporate brand name, and the party will NOW impose the same kind of party DISCIPLINE you’re accustomed to seeing in the Republicans–and that discipline will impose the CORPORATE line.
You can’t use their brand name–you need to GIVE THEM A REALLY HARD TIME. The Democratic Party is the enemy.
This has been true at least since Clinton–and people have been saying so since Clinton. Now, it’s getting harder for more people to DENY it.
The Democratic Party is the enemy. You can’t “use” them.
Also, it is becoming increasing apparent that that GOVERNMENT itself is virtually unusable, as it also grows more authoritarian and flouts its own legal traditions.
It hesitate to say that means abandoning it, as do some anarchists on “the left” and some libertarian advocates of small government on “the right,” but traditionally pro-government liberals DO need to consider the possibility that such a government WILL NOT do anything BUT deliver policies you’re going to consider deeply pernicious.
It seems to me that this authoritarian government is getting way ahead of itself and needs to be brought back within the limits of the law. What was true internationally during the Bush years, is becoming true domestically as well.
I don’t think rank and file Democratic voters get this yet. That’s why it’s so EASY for the corrupt Bam! Administration to demonize the left wing of its own Democratic Party.
The government IS turning itself into the enemy at home. It IS relentlessly looting the broad public and sending people to die.