It’s pretty clear that they’ll either lie about what the CBO says, or disregard it if they need to.

The Democratic and the Republican Party’s are already in deep collusion behind the scenes. The Republicans may publlcly oppose this bill to appease their right wing base but don’t think for a second behind closed doors these same Republican senators actually oppozse this bill. To think that would be naive and ignorant. The Republicans will admit later as they write their memoirs that this healthcare bill was okay “looking back on it.” I mean George McGovern said nice things about Richard Nixon when he died and Hunter Thompson called out McGovern on this typical Washington hypocrisy.

Check out this article folks! Here is this article which exposes the hypocrisy and false differences in Washington, D.C. Well, ya know that Obama is related to Dick Cheney…..more about Washington D.C. in-breeding some other time. Here is the article excerpts of the political incest in Washington, D.C.

Published on Saturday, December 19, 2009 by Politico
Stupak, Working with GOP, Trying to Sink Abortion Compromise
By Ben Smith

“An aide to Rep. Bart Stupak (D. Mich.) coordinated opposition to a Senate compromise on the place of abortion in health care legislation this morning with the Republican Senate leadership, the Conference Catholic Bishops, and other anti-abortion groups, according to a chain of frantic emails obtained this morning by POLITICO. The emails show that Stupak – who has so far remained silent on language accepted by Senator Ben Nelson (D. Neb.) and faces intense pressure from the White House to accept it – is already working behind the scenes to oppose the compromise… They also demonstrate a previously unseen degree of coordination between Stupak and the office of Republican leader Mitch McConnell….”

Read Article @:
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/12/19-6

National Organization for Women opposes Senate health bill
By Michael O’Brien - 12/19/09 01:55 PM ET
The Hill

“…A leading women’s group called on senators on Saturday to defeat its healthcare reform bill….The leader of the National Organization for Women (NOW) excoriated the language in the health bill curtailing federal support for insurance plan covering abortions, which was inserted to win the 60th vote of Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.)….”The so-called health care reform bill now before the Senate, with the addition of Majority Leader Harry Reid’s Manager’s Amendment, amounts to a health insurance bill for half the population and a sweeping anti-abortion law for the rest of us,” NOW President Terry O’Neill said in a statement….”

Read article/blog @:
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/73083-national-organization-for-women-opposes-senate-health-bill

It hasn’t taken me too long to figure out why the perspective of this website is so wrong for our time.

One of the most common critiques of my support for Obama and his health care plan, is that we could have elected any candidate in that political climate.

Not Hillary Clinton or Dennis Kucinich or anyone else could have won Virginia and North Carolina and Florida or Pennsylvania for that matter.

If you don’t know that then you have not read the data.

Obama won in Iowa, ok? Add that to the list only he could have won.

I agree that “the American people deserve an explanation on how and why this important consumer provision was almost gutted”. And, I expect we’ll get it about the same time Obama signs a single payer HealthCare Bill.

Message to President Obama,

Goodbye Democratic Party and say hello to your one-term presidency.

You-Mr Obama, Rahm Emanuel, Joe Biden and the entire Democratic Party and the Dems in Congress are not only parasites, but traitors to those who have long supported the Democratic Party. You are all evil human trash and do not belong running America. All you people are doing is fracturing this country just like Bush and Cheney did but in a more silent but still sinister way. David Axelrod, Timothy Geithner, Joe Biden, Lawrence Summers, Robert Rubin, Ben Barnake, Kathleen Sebelius and Valerie Jarrett are not real Democrats but corporatists who do not care about average Mr. and Mrs. America.

Yes, you Mr. Obama along with your P.O.S. Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel are single-handedly ruining America. We all know that you and your Rahm are fixing with a war on Iran as well.

I cannot wait for your defeat in 2012 fast enough and to think I was once a Democrat. I am in the Green Party now and have been since last Novmeber of 2008 when you spinelessly along with Harry Reid welcomed Joe Lieberman back into the party and caucus with open arms. I hope every last Democrat loses in their next election cycles as well.

Yes, you Democrats work for the Banksters and the Military-Industrial Complex and use the progressive-liberal base at election time but soon forget who voted for ya once in office.

Understand it Mr. Obama and let your weasel Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel know that you will all not win the election next time around because the liberal-progressive base will not be used any longer.

The progressive-liberal base is done with looking the other way in regard to “compromise” and the failings of the Democratic Party. There are enough liberal/progressive groups to adversely effect every senate and house race in America in 2010 and beyond.

I challenge you-Mr. Obama, Mr. Biden and Mr. Emanuel to be stupid enough to declare open warfare at the progressive-liberal base as Lanny J. Davis continues to do as in his attacks against Jane Hamsher and the continual verbal assaults against Howard Dean.

Just do it and be man about it—Declare Open War Against Us Leftists!!! Because it appears your administration has already for all intent an purposes done just that (war against liberals/progressives) anyhow. I challenge your administration, Mr. Obama to be brave and brazen enough to Declare Open War Against Us Leftists, and do this openly!!!

Mr. Obama—say hello to being a One-Term President.

Clearly the previous defense for the elimination of the ban on annual limits was not based in reality.

Unless by ‘based in reality’ you mean good for insurance companies and their lobbyists.

Over the past several years, many Dems have embraced the “Progressive Movement”…The title of “Liberal” seemed to take on the burden of perceived failure of social programs such as “welfare” and “public housing”…The “new Democrat” was more comfortable being described as a “Progressive” (see: Obama, Barrack H.)..Of course Conservatives view the change as a distinction without a difference…Well HCR seems to have crystalized that difference…The root word of “Progressive” is PROGRESS..For the Progressive view, HCR represents progress —period….Of course the firedoglake, huffpo, kos faction views HCR as a “defeat” despite covering 30Mil add’l americans without the fear of insurance company rejection…The Obama-bashing from the “far left” makes one thing clear: The Liberals are back! At least, the Progressives can NOW point to a substanive difference between Progressives and Liberals. Neither Obama nor Rahm Emanuel are “Liberals”. They just play that roll on(Fox News) TV…Healthcare Reform is truely a Progressive accomplishment. The Liberals hate it. This is true because Liberals are more like Conservatives. Liberals don’t care about progress. Liberals want “victory“.

I’d like to know why Reid needed the burning pants. (He should have known that what he was saying was a lie.)

Get a grip.

Who ever said here that Obama was either liberal or a progressive? Around here he’s always been described as a ‘moderate’ (meaning about as liberal as Nixon).

This so-called “healthcare reform” is not “progressive.”

This health insurance reform–words right out of Obama’s mouth is a corporate Fascist bill and hardly not “liberal” or “progressive.”

The root word of “Progressive” is PROGRESS..For the Progressive view, HCR represents progress —period

Unless you have a uterus, then this bill represents a revenue stream for soi-dissant “moderates” to pull in the cash from the god-bothering anti-women special interests. And a leap backward for your rights.

Oh, and unless you are a union member, then this bill represents a tax on what had been for years a benefit that you received in lieu of pay raises.

Oh, or, you happen to be healthy and say, twenty-six years old. Then, this bill represents the government forcing you to become a customer of big insurance companies that should be regulated like the old trusts.

Unless you already have employer provided insurance, in which case this bill represents a market force that will put downward pressure on your insurance plans, resulting in less coverage, higher fees and deductibles, etc.

But except for that… progress!

The “new Democrat” was more comfortable being described as a “Progressive”

Because “progressives” have all the energy in the party right now, and after the old DLC hacks let the thugs turn “liberal” into a four-letter word, they didn’t have much else to go on, in the labeling department.

Plus, “neo-liberal” sounds as awful as “neocon” and only made the pro-corporate “centrists” look silly.

Bottom line: do goods outweigh bads or the reverse?

If this bill is implemented…

Or fewer people?

TBogg is upstairs!
Smoke gets up your butt

It’s not a Q of “health” coverage but rather what the healthy young (i.e. low income) and middle class and union members have to pay for other people to get medical treatment. The rich will be unaffected.

I’m saying bads outweigh goods; in the Senate bill/managers amendment.

The House bill, without Stupak, goods outweigh the bads.

Despite this whole Senate hoo-hah, there’s still the House, and I’m wondering what Pelosi will do.

She generally doesn’t take being made irrelevant kindly. Then again, she’s also usually had a price.

Not only that, but forcing people to buy insurance with no guarantee that insurance companies will act in good faith is hardly progressive, or good policy (or good politics).

In short, “coverage” is not “care”.

Pelosi allowed Stupak’s stupidity – made a deal with Catholic Bishops sitting in her office. I don’t have any confidence in her concern for my uterus.

At the end of the day this healthcare reform for all will be VERY COSTLY and more than YOU EXPECTED and still not having addressed the structural problems of affordable services and access to services….

This bill DOES NOT ADDRESS NOR ALLEVIATE THE COST CUTTING SAVINGS WHATSOVER AND PENALIZING PEOPLE WHO CANNOT AFFORD TO PAY IT SHOULD AWAKEN EVEN THE MOST IGNORANT OF WHAT THIS BILL IS AND ISN’T……

This bill in essence will be regulating everyone but the big insurance companies and yes, crimalizing everyone but the big insurance companies….

When those unable to buy insurance from big insurance will be fined by big brother and eventually jailed when those fines and more fines are unpaid and the courts throw your ass in jail…..

Why is the Obama administration so busy building so many prisons in America as well?

It’s all connected to the Obama administration’s NorthCom Project to be used against American citizens and those unable to buy their corporate fascist healthcare as law.

This bill by its design is a CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!!!!

You have any evidence for that? (Remember where her district is.)

Stupak probably did make a deal….

Can you use your indoor voice, please?

It might be time to use our OUTDOOR VOICES…..lmfao…lol@y

This Sunday on the Yak-Yak News Shows of which Washington Insiders blow kisses and ask for b.j.’s from one another minus a few.

Sunday, December 20, 2009 – “Sunday News Shows” with many verbal b.j.’s to one another and then of course many, many phonies to boot who are out touch. These are the yahoos you can waste your time listening to Sunday morning:

CBS’ “Face The Nation” with Bob Schieffer Interviews
Senators Lamar Alexander (R-TN), Olympia Snowe (R-ME), Mary Landrieu (D-LA) and Sherrod Brown (D-OH).

NBC’s “Meet the Press” with David Gregory Interviews
David Axelrod – White House Senior Adviser
Dr. Howard Dean – Fmr. Chair, Democratic National Committee
2004 Democratic Presidential Candidate – Fmr. (D) Gov. of Vermont
Joe Scarborough – Host, MSNBC’s “Morning Joe”
Markos Moulitsas – Founder and Publisher, DailyKos.com
Ed Gillespie – Fmr. Chair, Republican National Committee
Tavis Smiley – Host, PBS’s Tavis Smiley & PRI’s “Tavis Smiley Show”

ABC’s ‘This Week’ with George Stephanopoulos Interviews
President’s senior advisor David Axelrod
Sens. Dick Durbin, D-Il., and Jon Kyl, R-Ariz.

‘FNS’ with Chris Wallace Interviews
Sens. John McCain, R-AZ, Kent Conrad, D-ND, & Amy Klobuchar, D-MN

The GOP Wanted Private Insurance To Control Healthcare and Not the Government – Done

The GOP Said America’s Private Health Insurance is best in the World and thus should not be tampered with. It has not been tampered with at all. – Done

Republicans wanted private insurance to Cross State Lines – Done

Republicans did not want any type of single payer – Done

Republicans did not want the Public Option – Done

Republicans did not want any Medicare expansion or based on age – Done

The Republicans WON!!!!!

The Liberals/Progressives LOST AND LOST AND LOST THANKS TO RAHM EMANUEL, EZEKIEL EMANUEL AND BARACK OBAMA AND HIS MINIONS IN THE DEMOCRATICALLY CONTROLLED HOUSE AND SENATE!!!!

WHO ELESE WON? HMMM – The Private Health Insurance Industry WON TOO!!!!!!!!

They get 30-40 Million New Customers Mandated to Buy this health insurance or Face Fines, Penalties and even possible Jail Time if such Insurance is not bought.

Americans will now be mandated to buy —- Private Health Care Insurance and called the Individual Mandate. Yes, the Obama administration and governments in the future will Make you by Force and Law to buy Private Insurance but NOT BIG Government-Led Health Care.

FEEL GOOD ABOUT OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATS TONIGHT? GONNA KEEP VOTING FOR THESE SCOUNDRELS CALLED THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY? THESE DEMS STILL DESERVE YOUR VOTE AND LOYALTY AND SUPPORT?

Slightly OT

Another win for the insurers… From Bloomberg news: “UnitedHealth Group Inc., WellPoint Inc. and smaller U.S. insurers gained a year under Senate Democrats’ proposed health-care legislation before the start of a tax that industry lobbyists say will drive up premiums.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=asyq1HrjE1LY&pos=2

Meanwhile the R’s continue their slight of hand arguing that abortions will still be funded. They will pound this issue for their base, meanwhile all they really care about is the protection of insurer, pharma, and medical PROFITS.

Shirley – LOL. Please.

If you don’t know that then you have not read the data.

Obama won in Iowa, ok? Add that to the list only he could have won.

Have YOU read the data on Iowa lately?

NYT – In Iowa, Second Thoughts on Obama

Des Moines Register – Register exclusive: Iowa Poll shows Obama approval rating below 50 percent

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Despite your uninformed head pat to those , presumeably in your view, “simple folk of Iowa”, Obama’s decline in Iowa is indistinguishable from the unmistakeably negative national trend lines.

Go to the internals on Iowa Democrats support for Obama’s handling of the Wars – Obama’s *blood and treasure* signature piece of the campaign – 42% of Dems aren’t with him on it. And it’s worse among Independents who have flat out consigned him to Bush Approval Territory.

Most Iowa Democrats, 58 percent, continue to approve of Obama’s management of the wars, but independent voters no longer do: 36 percent of independents now approve, and 52 percent disapprove, the Iowa Poll shows.

Obama’s falling approval ratings on handling of the wars comes as his overall job approval rating dipped under a majority, to 49 percent.

Spin this how you will…but…
The campaign that WAS, the promises that WERE…aren*t cutting it anymore.

Too bad Obama let the Lobbyists and Hawks rule.
The same kind of Foreign and Domestic Policy come-uppance awaits Obama and Democratic majorities as it did the post-Bush GOP.