Comments on: The Left-Right Populist Wrap-Around Vs. the Beltway Insiders http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/18/the-leftright-populist-wrap-around-vs-the-beltway-insiders/ Politics for liberal newsgeeks Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:33:20 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: bobash http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/18/the-leftright-populist-wrap-around-vs-the-beltway-insiders/#comment-73320 bobash Tue, 22 Dec 2009 00:02:53 +0000 http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/?p=7560#comment-73320 Jane, I enjoyed this post. I know it's been a couple of days now, but I posted a related <a href="http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/20199/" rel="nofollow">diary</a> over at the Seminal. Jane, I enjoyed this post. I know it’s been a couple of days now, but I posted a related diary over at the Seminal.

]]> By: Nathan Aschbacher http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/18/the-leftright-populist-wrap-around-vs-the-beltway-insiders/#comment-73065 Nathan Aschbacher Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:07:24 +0000 http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/?p=7560#comment-73065 I converted about a dozen burgeoning Tea Party members into staunch single-payer advocates after I dislodged their previously emotionally satisfying narrative with another. Changed them from "No Government!" to "Good Government!" The problem is always the wedge issues. Which are really easy to dislodge by denying the dichotomies typically presented in them. Give me any liberal and any conservative, arguing in good faith, and a pot of coffee, and if I can't move the conservative to become a drug de-criminalization advocate, and turn the liberal into a 2nd-Amendment civil-liberties advocate; I'll sign over my 401k. :-) I converted about a dozen burgeoning Tea Party members into staunch single-payer advocates after I dislodged their previously emotionally satisfying narrative with another. Changed them from “No Government!” to “Good Government!”

The problem is always the wedge issues. Which are really easy to dislodge by denying the dichotomies typically presented in them. Give me any liberal and any conservative, arguing in good faith, and a pot of coffee, and if I can’t move the conservative to become a drug de-criminalization advocate, and turn the liberal into a 2nd-Amendment civil-liberties advocate; I’ll sign over my 401k. :-)

]]> By: TheCallUp http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/18/the-leftright-populist-wrap-around-vs-the-beltway-insiders/#comment-72704 TheCallUp Sun, 20 Dec 2009 06:07:08 +0000 http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/?p=7560#comment-72704 Rahm, Is that you? Rahm,
Is that you?

]]> By: wizardleft1962 http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/18/the-leftright-populist-wrap-around-vs-the-beltway-insiders/#comment-72647 wizardleft1962 Sat, 19 Dec 2009 22:17:11 +0000 http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/?p=7560#comment-72647 <strong>National Organization for Women opposes Senate health bill</strong> <em>By Michael O'Brien </em>- 12/19/09 01:55 PM ET The Hill <em>"...A <strong>leading women's group called on senators on Saturday to defeat </strong>its healthcare reform bill....<strong>The leader of the National Organization for Women (NOW) excoriated the language in the health bill curtailing federal support for insurance plan covering abortions</strong>, which was inserted to win the 60th vote of Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.)...."The so-called health care reform bill now before the Senate, with the addition of Majority Leader Harry Reid's Manager's Amendment, amounts to a health insurance bill for half the population and a sweeping anti-abortion law for the rest of us," <strong>NOW President Terry O'Neill said in a statement</strong>...."</em> Read article/blog @: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/73083-national-organization-for-women-opposes-senate-health-bill National Organization for Women opposes Senate health bill
By Michael O’Brien - 12/19/09 01:55 PM ET
The Hill

“…A leading women’s group called on senators on Saturday to defeat its healthcare reform bill….The leader of the National Organization for Women (NOW) excoriated the language in the health bill curtailing federal support for insurance plan covering abortions, which was inserted to win the 60th vote of Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.)….”The so-called health care reform bill now before the Senate, with the addition of Majority Leader Harry Reid’s Manager’s Amendment, amounts to a health insurance bill for half the population and a sweeping anti-abortion law for the rest of us,” NOW President Terry O’Neill said in a statement….”

Read article/blog @:
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/73083-national-organization-for-women-opposes-senate-health-bill

]]> By: quidditas http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/18/the-leftright-populist-wrap-around-vs-the-beltway-insiders/#comment-72642 quidditas Sat, 19 Dec 2009 21:34:07 +0000 http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/?p=7560#comment-72642 "But I have to say I personally do think they have managed to split our liberal base and rather than be defensive we better acknowledge it and get moving to get back together." Eh. I could leave them. “But I have to say I personally do think they have managed to split our liberal base and rather than be defensive we better acknowledge it and get moving to get back together.”

Eh. I could leave them.

]]> By: quidditas http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/18/the-leftright-populist-wrap-around-vs-the-beltway-insiders/#comment-72638 quidditas Sat, 19 Dec 2009 21:21:33 +0000 http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/?p=7560#comment-72638 "What I see from progressives instead is childish whining, and stupidity. In a few years, we are going to have a homophobic, anti-immigrant, pro-gun, anti-science, pro-theocracy Congress (teabaggers) and President (Sarah Palin). And it will be because you idiots are acting like petulant children who think you can get EVERYTHING you want all at once." Awesome! If I don't get it from Bam NOW, I'll get to watch you kick and scream demanding it under THEM for 8 years--instead of the mealy mouthed crap I'm hearing these days. I'll take whatever I can get. And I bet I can get that. :) “What I see from progressives instead is childish whining, and stupidity. In a few years, we are going to have a homophobic, anti-immigrant, pro-gun, anti-science, pro-theocracy Congress (teabaggers) and President (Sarah Palin). And it will be because you idiots are acting like petulant children who think you can get EVERYTHING you want all at once.”

Awesome!

If I don’t get it from Bam NOW, I’ll get to watch you kick and scream demanding it under THEM for 8 years–instead of the mealy mouthed crap I’m hearing these days.

I’ll take whatever I can get. And I bet I can get that.

:)

]]> By: quidditas http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/18/the-leftright-populist-wrap-around-vs-the-beltway-insiders/#comment-72636 quidditas Sat, 19 Dec 2009 21:09:50 +0000 http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/?p=7560#comment-72636 "You Jane, along with your deluded progressive supporters are all barking mad, and when we become perennial election losers for the next several years, I am not gonna blame the Republicans or the teabaggers, I’m blaming YOU!" After having the Bots cave to Bam, I'd love me some Palin. :) “You Jane, along with your deluded progressive supporters are all barking mad, and when we become perennial election losers for the next several years, I am not gonna blame the Republicans or the teabaggers, I’m blaming YOU!”

After having the Bots cave to Bam, I’d love me some Palin.

:)

]]> By: CKlem http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/18/the-leftright-populist-wrap-around-vs-the-beltway-insiders/#comment-72529 CKlem Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:52:07 +0000 http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/?p=7560#comment-72529 1. She sounded like a girl. 2. You missed the point. 3. If a boy-sounding man answered I would have referred to him as a boy. 1. She sounded like a girl.
2. You missed the point.
3. If a boy-sounding man answered I would have referred to him as a boy.

]]> By: biglake http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/18/the-leftright-populist-wrap-around-vs-the-beltway-insiders/#comment-72423 biglake Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:28:05 +0000 http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/?p=7560#comment-72423 And I will blame you. And I will blame you.

]]> By: bear http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/18/the-leftright-populist-wrap-around-vs-the-beltway-insiders/#comment-72396 bear Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:11:06 +0000 http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/?p=7560#comment-72396 catastrophizing? catastrophizing?

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