The White House and Harry Reid are preparing to give Ben Nelson anything he wants in exchange for his vote. It appears that this anything could be a gutting of the single best remaining piece of reform, Medicaid expansion:
Earlier Thursday, in an interview with a Nebraska radio station, Nelson said even if the abortion issue were resolved, he still could not support the $848 billion package, complaining that the plan to cover more than 30 million additional Americans calls for dramatically expanding Medicaid, which is partially funded by the states. The Medicaid expansion would “create an underfunded federal mandate for the state of Nebraska,” Nelson said, arguing that states should be permitted to “opt out” of that idea and find other ways to offer coverage to their poorest residents.
Expanding Medicaid is the most cost effective way to increase insurance coverage. It is responsible for covering roughly half of the 30 million Americans who would gain “coverage” under the Senate bill. While Medicaid is not perfect, it is real health coverage. It is not like the junk 60%-actuarial-value “bronze” level insurance or “catastrophic” insurance that millions of the new “covered” will buy. The quality of those plans is so low, they are basically insurance in name only.
Expanding Medicaid to everyone below 133% (150% in the House bill) of the federal poverty line is the single most important provision remaining in the Senate bill. If it is seriously crippled, it would be a tragedy that should make every single Democratic senator question what is possibly left in the bill worth passing. If using reconciliation is the only way to protect the Medicaid expansion, the decision to use it should be a no-brainer for every real Democrat.
Update – Jed Lewison at Dailykos has more on Ben Nelson’s list of incredibly bad demands.




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Mornin’ Jon,
have you seen this ?
Pollster.com – Polling on the Individual Mandate
Nelson has a point here. Many states are having serious budget problems and weighing them down with another mandate will only do harm.
o/t
MoveOn now urging it’s members to contact their Senators to oppose the Bill entirely
link
JOE LIEBERMAN’S OFFICE PHONE in CT is 860-549-8463. I just left him a message stating I think he is a total sellout piece of crap for what he did to health care reform. The girl who answered the phone said she’ll give him the message. FEEL FREE TO CALL HIS OFFICE and voice your displeasure. 860-549-8463.
Says it all about how interested Nelson, LiarMan and their ilk are in actual reform. My contempt is boundless, for them and for the “leadership” that is hiding behind their machinations.
Feh. Faugh, even!
FunnyWheelieDiva
Why does this not surprise me even a little bit?
Someone remind Ben Nelson that he is a Democrat and that the Democratic Party has a platform. If he doesn’t like the platform, maybe he shouldn’t be a Democrat at all.
Lol. I saw this being the underpinning of the “30 million” argument, and even that’s going. Really what is left that is worth passing?
Is the veal pen losing a calf?
So was the plan all along to either 1) make the liberals meet their BATNA and blow up the deal? or 2) make this a 100% boon to big insurance? Either one is a win-win.
Of course, bullies always ask for more if you give in to them.
All those Bems and supposed progressives who were willing to thrown women under the bus to get coverage for the “30 million uninsured” — so now you know, the bully has come for you, too.
Obama and Reid and Pelosi will sell out you and your issue, as fast as you were willing to sell women out.
Happy now?
Congress has now got the bill Obama and they wanted all along: 100% giveaway to the health insurance companies.
Be prepared to pay for junk insurance or be fined.
Junk will be all you’ll be able to afford, and as soon as you get expensively sick, you’ll be tossed by the insurance company that collected your premiums.
Been wondering about this change I wanted to believe in. Think I ‘ve figured it out. Bush never left the white house.
I expect Letterman will soon disclose the top ten reasons you can tell that Bush is still in the white house.
10. Public’s business still done in secret.
9. Cheney still not indicted. Executive branch and Defense officials still above the law.
8. More secret deals with Pfftarrmma.
7. If you criticise the executive there is something wrong with you.
There must be dozens more I don’t think of at the moment, be my guest.
I have to admit, I’ve had my concerns about the Medicaid expansion too, because I don’t think the bill provides a way for the already struggling states to pay for it. That’s why I would prefer a Medicare expansion.
If you add another 100,000 people to Medicaid here in Indiana, I’m quite sure Gov. Mitch Daniels (R – Eli Lilly) isn’t going to come up with more money to make sure everyone gets adequate coverage. He’ll most likely find a way to privatize Medicaid to the private insurance company with the lowest bid.
What exactly would be the alternative to Medicaid? As a progressive I would like to hear it, because I don’t like the idea of a two-tiered health care system either. But Medicaid is cheap and you can’t get blood from a rock. Someone has to pay.
It’s like they went into negotiating this bill with the sole intention of strengthening Big Insurance.
This is exactly the kind of bill you get when you shut progressives out of the process.
Harry Reid weakest Senate Leader ever! Ant bets Nancy will fold on everything?
We’ll know for sure if Obama starts spending his vacations clearing brush.
We’re on to him now. I can just see Jane Hamsher pulling the rubber Obama mask off and exposing George W. Bush.
Federalize Medicaid. That does two things. Aids state budgets, which are in deficit and cuts the rug under Nelson’s argument for not expanding Medicaid. It no longer is an unfunded mandate on states.
Then run those numbers through CBO.
Oh, snap!
Is the veal pen losing a calf?
depends on whether one is a “glass is calf fool” kind of of guy
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Jon Walker and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Kill the bill and start organizin’ for EFCA and the jobs bill, no victories for ObamaRahma and let Rahm eat it in 2010!
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, WE FIGHT THE BATTLES TO WIN THE WAR!!!
Exactly. And the most economical way to provide health care to everyone at the lowest cost is to put everyone in the country into a single, large risk pool. Then have that risk pool managed by an organization that is only interested in managing health care financing and not profits.
And then you would need some sort of public accountability to make sure they continue to do what they’re supposed to do — maybe we could hold, oh, I don’t know, bi-annual elections for the top leadership of this organization…
Come ON. Is Reid serious?
Jesus.
God I wish someone could explain reconciliation. What exactly stops the Senate from passing ANY piece of crap now, and then having leadership agree to something like the current house bill and supporting that with 51 votes in its final form.
What logic or rules really prevent that? Aren’t all Senate rules REALLY decided by 51 votes, including the 60 vote rule and the reconcilliation rule?
Ben Nelson is an empty corporate shill. He’s antiquated and probably senile.
The problem I think is that Democrats are very risk averse, yet progressive positions do have some risk (they tend to be new). They think that if enough people (60) are for something then they all have cover and they all can share the blame for any failures. Fundamentally its that whole lack of spine thing, they flat out do not have the courage of their convictions.
When you headed for Negril?
Eh don’t attack him, seriously any conservadem could get anything they want from reid and obama, just hold your breath. Do you blame only the kid for being bad when the parents sit back and do nothing? At this point its almost a game, just see how far the White House will be overbackwards and meet your every need. To liberals “it puts the lotion on or it gets the hose again.”
Would the Senate bill cover spinal implants?
None of this computes when you take into account the next legislative effort, pushed by Obama:
Deficit Reduction.
Deficit reduction will not be accomplished by raising taxes in a recession. Instead Medicaid, Medicare etc will be cut. This whole charade is as bald faced of a fuckery as has ever been perpetrated upon the American People, if we let it pass.
So,- don’t be stupid! Call your Senators, kill the bill, cut Rahm’s legs out from under him. Put egg on Axelrod’s face and usher Obama out the fucking WH door in 2012!
only after you meet the $4,000 deductible, you havn’t maxed out your yearly/lifetime expenses and have given Joe Lieberman the BJ of his life.
Wtf? It wasn’t enough for them to let one jackass repeatedly shoot them in both feet? Now they want to let another jackass finish the job? Seriously, they obviously don’t care about the American people. But you would think that they could see that what they’re doing is stupid politically.
Since Obama is clearly so susceptible to blackmail, could someone tell me why a couple of Progressive Senators don’t “hold out” for some GOOD features?
Not where the current crop of Democrats are concerned, as with them the procedure would not take.
because you’ve got it wrong when assuming that Obama is being blackmailed.
At its heart I don’t think neither Lieberman nor Nelson want ANY kind of reform, and they are just pushing and pushing until the left blows up the deal. The thing is they might not be able to pin this on the left, though the media is trying hard to call us all kinds of names. They removed the PO, they removed the Medicare expansion and Lieberman still did not give his support. Nelson is also pushing for the Stupak language, which he knows full well will not pass the Senate, not to mention this latest gamble.
I’ve seen a few elbows thrown at Nelson by the White House (too little too late) but I think it’s dawning on them that this bill will be pulled apart by two horses (the left and the conservadems). Problem is they constantly ruled out the plan B’s of reconciliation and filibuster changes, that’s about the only option left.
Folks, if we want this bill to die [and I do], shouldn’t we be cheering Nelson’s continuing obstruction?
It seems to me that all we need is four or five Senators to pipe up, sequentially, that they’re not going to vote for the bill until . . .
The problem only comes in because Obama caves to Nelson & Lieberman’s crap, not that they pull it.
The healthcare disaster started long before these dispicable cretins began making demands or threatened to hold the Bill hostage. It began in the WH shortly after the election with secret closed door meetings and when sweetheart deals were cut that utterly betrayed the American people and defied every campaign bullet point Obama repeated on the stump. Simply, Obama tried to have his cake and eat it too. Now, the Bill is pure S**T and he may have to eat it to the great detriment of the country, his Presidency and the Democratic Party. The “smart one” got out smarted by the health industry and a few selfish grand standing less than human Senators. Had he been straight with the American people and really got out front and fought for a decent Bill, a huge majority of the country would have rallied behind him and made it untenable for these Senators to oppose the Bill. The people voted for real change and what we got was more of the same. That cliche about insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result applies to politics as well as anything else. Less than a year into his Presidency, I look at him and feel the same disappointment I felt when Bill Clinton dallied away his Presidency with Monica. He has squandered his integrity behind closed doors for what might have been a very successful Presidency. We are the loosers.
absofuckinglutely!!!
They are getting close to breaking this deal, and if this goes into Christmas recess then without a plan B and without a deal, then this deal is fucked. Polls are dropping fast for this bill and can you imagine all the dinner table discussions over the holidays?
Yeah, I agree. But that does appear to be the charade he’s currently playing.
When he threatens to cut the rocks off any liberal Dem who crosses him, while giving Repubs & ConservaDems everything they want, that should make the picture clearer for everyone.
Is there somewhere we can go to encourage just such discussions, and the “appropriate” follow-up: calls to Congressional offices to share the holiday cheer.
Looks like I was wrong. Nebraska will have the Feds pick up 91% of the extra cost of expanding its Medicaid coverage.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/12/fact-checking-ben-nelsons-medi.html
Future headlines:
“Ben Nelson Demands Jane Hamsher Apologize to Lanny Davis Before He Backs Legislation”
“Ben Nelson Demands Al Franken Apologize To Joe Lieberman Before He Backs Legislation”
“Ben Nelson Demands More Media Coverage Than Joe Lieberman Before He Backs Legislation”
“Ben Nelson Demands The $1,288,000 He Recieved From Insurance Industry Be Stricken From The Record”
“Ben Nelson Demands Arrest Of All Women Who Ever Had An Abortiom Before He backs Legislation”
“Ben Nelson Demands That MSNBC Fire Rachel Maddow Before He Backs Legislation”
Ben Nelson Demands That Keith Olberman Air A Special Comment Supporting Insurance Industry Before He Backs Legislation”
They must be proud in Nebraska.
Roster Changes
“So, we head to the top of the tenth, game seven, Rotunda Park, Health Care World Series, with the Washington Senators and the Middle Americans locked in a nothing-nothing game. And while we were away, Biff, I understand the Sens made some lineup changes?”
“That’s right Frank, and wholesale changes they are! The Sens have replaced their entire on-field roster with a bunch of people I don’t even recognize, but whose names are strangely familiar!”
“You don’t say? Why don’t you run them down for the folks keeping score at home?”
“O.K., fans, hang onto your hats! At second base, replacing the Senator from Louisiana, we’ve got Mary Landowner. The scouts say she’s especially good at digging balls out of the dirt – that’s right, dirtballs – and using them to throw out some of the Americans’ key prospects. She doubles as a bench coach, and teammates say Landowner’s a real slave-driver!
“At shortstop, in place of the Democrat from Montana, is Max Caucus-Schmaucus…”
“Biff, that name rings a bell, wasn’t he…”
“…that’s right Frank, part of the three-way deal that sent John Q. Public Option packing.”
“Howda ya like that?”
“In center field is Joe LobBombsIn out of Connecticut, and the scouting report says he’s a legitimate threat from either side of the plate.”
“Might need a little chin music, huh Biff? Heh Heh Heh…”
“You got that right, Frank. Now, over at first, on the receiving end of those dirtballs tossed by Landowner will be Blanche LINO from Arkansas…”
“LINO?”
“That’s right, she’s like Lincoln in name only, Frank. You hate to see that.”
“I’ll say! How do the Middle Americans stand a chance?”
“Oh, it gets worse! Now playing for Nebraska in Right is Ben Half-Nelson. No arm at all, they tell me – but easily strong-armed!
“Behind the plate – and I see he’s carping to the ump already – is Tom ‘Jawbone’ Carper. The scouts say he looks like a hitter, but he’s just not clutch.”
“Man, for fans of the Middle Americans, this just goes from bad to worse, Biff!”
“At third, the Sens have put in Kent ConMan, out of North Dakota. They tell me he’s mastered a trick play.”
“Yeah? What’s that?”
“He stands nonchalantly by the bag as runners round third, heading for home, to use the Tom Harkin vernacular…”
“And?”
“Well, Frank – he sticks out his leg and trips them up.”
“Whoa, dirty pol – er, pool! Now, who’s that loosening on the mound?”
“Frank, that is Hairy Screed.”
“No… not Screed!?”
“Yup. The change-up artist from Nevada. He throws some real junk!”
“Man, if you’re the Middle Americans, you gotta be thinking this game’s as good as over! But wait, who’s that guy in Left?”
“That’s Al FranklyJoeShutUp. He’s the Middle Americans’ only hope in getting to the Sens. But even if they do, they still have to deal with the Sens’ new manager – and he’s so confident he’s not even paying attention!”
“A new manager, too? Don’t keep us in suspense, Biff!”
“He’s a total newbie, Frank, from the Windy City. His name’s Backbone AllGone-ah.”
“Yikes! Well, you never know, maybe the Middle Americans’ can give him a scare. Thanks for the rundown, Biff, and all I can say is those Americans better get on the stick, or this might be their last inning!”
Cross-posted at TheMalconent.com
Roster Changes
“So, we head to the top of the tenth, game seven, Rotunda Park, Health Care World Series, with the Washington Senators and the Middle Americans locked in a nothing-nothing game. And while we were away, Biff, I understand the Sens made some lineup changes?”
“That’s right Frank, and wholesale changes they are! The Sens have replaced their entire on-field roster with a bunch of people I don’t even recognize, but whose names are strangely familiar!”
“You don’t say? Why don’t you run them down for the folks keeping score at home?”
“O.K., fans, hang onto your hats! At second base, replacing the Senator from Louisiana, we’ve got Mary Landowner. The scouts say she’s especially good at digging balls out of the dirt – that’s right, dirtballs – and using them to throw out some of the Americans’ key prospects. She doubles as a bench coach, and teammates say Landowner’s a real slave-driver!
“At shortstop, in place of the Democrat from Montana, is Max Caucus-Schmaucus…”
“Biff, that name rings a bell, wasn’t he…”
“…that’s right Frank, part of the three-way deal that sent John Q. Public Option packing.”
“Howda ya like that?”
“In center field is Joe LobBombsIn out of Connecticut, and the scouting report says he’s a legitimate threat from either side of the plate.”
“Might need a little chin music, huh Biff? Heh Heh Heh…”
“You got that right, Frank. Now, over at first, on the receiving end of those dirtballs tossed by Landowner will be Blanche LINO from Arkansas…”
“LINO?”
“That’s right, she’s like Lincoln in name only, Frank. You hate to see that.”
“I’ll say! How do the Middle Americans stand a chance?”
“Oh, it gets worse! Now playing for Nebraska in Right is Ben Half-Nelson. No arm at all, they tell me – but easily strong-armed!
“Behind the plate – and I see he’s carping to the ump already – is Tom ‘Jawbone’ Carper. The scouts say he looks like a hitter, but he’s just not clutch.”
“Man, for fans of the Middle Americans, this just goes from bad to worse, Biff!”
“At third, the Sens have put in Kent ConMan, out of North Dakota. They tell me he’s mastered a trick play.”
“Yeah? What’s that?”
“He stands nonchalantly by the bag as runners round third, heading for home, to use the Tom Harkin vernacular…”
“And?”
“Well, Frank – he sticks out his leg and trips them up.”
“Whoa, dirty pol – er, pool! Now, who’s that loosening on the mound?”
“Frank, that is Hairy Screed.”
“No… not Screed!?”
“Yup. The change-up artist from Nevada. He throws some real junk!”
“Man, if you’re the Middle Americans, you gotta be thinking this game’s as good as over! But wait, who’s that guy in Left?”
“That’s Al FranklyJoeShutUp. He’s the Middle Americans’ only hope in getting to the Sens. But even if they do, they still have to deal with the Sens’ new manager – and he’s so confident he’s not even paying attention!”
“A new manager, too? Don’t keep us in suspense, Biff!”
“He’s a total newbie, Frank, from the Windy City. His name’s Backbone AllGone-ah.”
“Yikes! Well, you never know, maybe the Middle Americans’ can give him a scare. Thanks for the rundown, Biff, and all I can say is those Americans better get on the stick, or this might be their last inning!”
Cross-posted at TheMalcontent.com
oops! sorry for doubling up!
This bill needs to be killed. Health care in not a constitional right, but we should do whatever we can to make sure all American citizens have access to health care at a reasonable cost. Unfortunatly, the current bill does not make any economic sense whatsoever. Obama just wants to ram goverment controlled solutions through because he wants control. We need the proper regulations to be put into place and then let the free markets sort this out. We also need to be serious about lowering costs – let us begin with tort reform and open competition. Ben Nelson is right not to give this a go vote.
Ditto.
The pillars of this reform were/are: improve healthcare, reduce the cost of health care for individuals and the nation, cover more people and another issue near and dear to the president’s heart is ‘choice’.
Well, Lieberman and others have said no public option — so no cost controls that way. Nelson says no covering everybody (through Medicaid expansion or Medicare for everybody). I can hardly wait to hear one of the others call for worse healthcare because the bill’s efforts are too expensive. The excellent, but not pillar-issue of filling the Medicare donut hole has been assailed by fiscal conservatives as stealing money from old people.
Apparently there’s no way those people can realize spending LESS money on healthcare and still having good quality care. And they can’t see covering more people for the same money. The only thing they can imagine is pouring a boat-load of more money into a system covering no more people. And then they complain there’s no cost controls. Maybe they should look in a mirror and ask why they aren’t serious about cost control.
We need a bill which (again) does what Pres. Obama called for: controls costs, covers more people with regular care instead of ER care, improves healthcare (a lot of that being additional IT usage) and filling the Medicare donut.
If special interests are strong enough to kill those things, then we need to put so much pressure on that they squeal like pigs, so it will be clear to everyone just who is holding up this reform.
So far we have Joe Lieberman who is against any public option, despite having said he was for single-payer or Medicare for all. We have Ben Nelson who has a list of phony issues when all he wants it for his insurance company to never have competition. We have Blanche Lincoln and Mary Landrieu who seem to think this bill is all about what they can squeeze out of Congress for their states. And we have a few stragglers like Evan Bayh who just doesn’t see anything happening because his wife makes too much money working as a lobbyist.
You can’t force them to tell the truth or to behave as Democrats, but you can force them, in the end, to vote up or down on a good bill.
That’s what we need right now, a good bill we can present to everyone and see if they squeal or vote ‘yea’.
Perhaps the senate bill stripped of the mandate(s) and the public option and any other stupid compromise deals that have been made in the last few months AND then offer the public option as an amendment to put ‘em on the record of being for competition in the marketplace or against it (fascists all).
If it goes down it goes down, but it shouldn’t be because we compromised it into a piece of crap that *should* be voted down. It should be a good clean bill that gets voted on.
Here’s the video of Ben Nelson’s press conference from this morning where he signed onto the Senate bill:
http://www.gotchamediablog.com/2009/12/ben-nelson-saves-health-care-reform-in.html