Nate Silver has 20 questions for the “bill killers”–and I have 20 answers.
1. Over the medium term, how many other opportunities will exist to provide in excess of $100 billion per year in public subsidies to poor and sick people?
Killing the current deal does not preclude passing the good parts of health reform through reconciliation. When they are forced to face passage of some of these reforms with reconciliation, or the threat of reconciliation, it is not impossible to envision Lieberman, Nelson, and Lincoln backing down on their threat of joining a filibuster.
2. Would a bill that contained $50 billion in additional subsidies for people making less than 250% of poverty be acceptable?
That money will help a few people in the short term, but, in the long run, our system built on private insurance companies is unsustainable, and will ruin our entire economy. I have zero confidence that the subsidies promised today will remain the same in the future. They might be increased by future Democrats or reduced in 2016 by a Republican Congress. Without cost controls, that money will quickly be eaten up by the ever-growing cost of health care. This reform is about trying to fix the system, not patch it with more money.
3. Where is the evidence that the plan, as constructed, would substantially increase insurance industry profit margins, particularly when it is funded in part via a tax on insurers?
The fact that the price of private, for-profit insurance stocks have gone up dramatically with each day of bad news for the public option. More importantly, the bill doesn’t need to increase profit margins to make the insurance companies more profitable. It will increase overall profits by expanding their customer base, which has be shrinking for years.
4. Why are some of the same people who are criticizing the bill’s lack of cost control also criticizing the inclusion of the excise tax, which is one of the few cost control mechanisms to have survived the process?
The excise tax is designed horribly. It’s a very weak cost control that will only reduce NHE by $100 billion by 2019. That is a 0.3% reduction. And it will only do that by encouraging employers to provide their employees with worse quality insurance policies that cover fewer procedures and have higher co-pays and deductible. Let’s say that again: the Senate bill achieves cost control by making the health insurance you already have through your employer worse so you will have fewer procedures. I support cost control mechanisms that do not hurt the quality of health insurance. The excise does not meet this important criteria. The people who told you it is a magical cost control mechanism sold you magic beans. Drug re-important alone would do a better job of bring down NHE.
5. Why are some of the same people who are criticizing the bill’s lack of cost control also criticizing the inclusion of the individual mandate, which is key to controlling premiums in the individual market?
The individual mandate only works if you have a strong social contract between people on the government. The government must promise to provide everyone with access to quality affordable health insurance, and then the people agree to an individual mandate to buy insurance. This bill fails to guaranty either quality or affordable health insurance. There is no ban on annual limits, meaning the insurance companies can now put a cap on how much they will pay out. They will still be allowed to drop their sick customers and deny claims if they decide their customers need an “unreasonable” amount of health care. And the maximum out-of-pocket limit is far too high. It will not stop medical bankruptcy if you get really sick, which makes a mockery of the whole idea of insurance.
The goal of reform is to hold down overall health care spending, not premiums. An individual mandate only holds down premiums if the premium money is used to pay for care to spread the risk. There is nothing stopping the insurance companies from just pocketing that extra money or using it to bribe providers with higher reimbursement rates to lock out competitors.
6. Would concerns about the political downside to the individual mandate in fact substantially be altered if a public plan were included among the choices? Might not the Republican talking point become: “forcing you to buy government-run insurance?”
The Republicans will say what they want anyway, but if there is a choice between public and private insurance it would not be true. And with a public option, at least you would not be forcing some people to give their money to the extremely unpopular health insurance companies — which is probably why the overwhelming majority of Americans support having that choice. Of course I’m more concerned about policy than politics when it comes to the individual mandate.
7. Roughly how many people would in fact meet ALL of the following criteria: (i) in the individual insurance market, and not eligible for Medicaid or Medicare; (ii) consider the insurance to be a bad deal, even after substantial government subsidies; (iii) are not knowingly gaming the system by waiting to buy insurance until they become sick; (iv) are not exempt from the individual mandate penalty because of low income status or other exemptions carved out by the bill?
If people are “exempt” from the individual mandate because the private insurance companies made insurance too expensive for them to buy (which thanks to the 1:3 age rating would be the older sicker people most in need of insurance) what is the point of the individual mandate? This sounds like a recipe to price out the old (nonprofitable) and force only the young (profitable) to buy insurance. The individual mandate should only be used for an “everyone in” system. This is “everyone in” except those whom the private insurance companies price out of the market.
8. How many years is it likely to be before Democrats again have (i) at least as many non-Blue Dog seats in the Congress as they do now, and (ii) a President in the White House who would not veto an ambitious health care bill?
Zero more years, because if they can’t get this Senate bill passed they will use reconciliation. Obama has decided he must pass health care reform, and if reconciliation is his only option he will use it.
9. If the idea is to wait for a complete meltdown of the health care system, how likely is it that our country will respond to such a crisis in a rational fashion? How have we tended to respond to such crises in the past?
That is not the idea at all, and completely irrelevant. The Senate bill will fail to stop the rapidly approaching meltdown of our health care system, and anyone is a fool for thinking otherwise. The CMS predicted that even if the bill passed, the cost of an average premium for a family of four will still increase roughly $1,000 a year. The meltdown is coming either way. This Senate bill is at best a very expensive band aid, and at worst a way to quicken the meltdown.
10. Where is the evidence that the public option is particularly important to base voters and/or swing voters (rather than activists), as compared with other aspects of health care reform?
Once again this is about policy for me, but there are many polls showing stronger support for the public option than the President’s health care bill. The few polls done on the matter have also shown that without a public option the individual mandate is extremely unpopular. If Democrats in Washington did not think the people cared about the public option they would have killed it a long time ago.
11. Would base voters be less likely to turn out in 2010 if no health care plan is passed at all, rather than a reasonable plan without a public option?
My goal has always been reconciliation, the use of the nuclear option, or the White House using its influence to back down conservative Democrats — something that hasn’t happened yet. I think this question is misleading because that is not the actual choice on the table. It is bad bill with regular order, a better bill with 50 votes in the Senate, or no bill.
12. What is the approximate likelihood that a plan passed through reconciliation would be better, on balance, from a policy perspective, than a bill passed through regular order but without a public option?
Extremely high. If I did not believe a much better bill could be passed using reconciliation I would not have been advocating for it for months. It is a pure myth that a good bill cannot be passed using reconciliation.
13.What is the likely extent of political fallout that might result from an attempt to use the reconciliation process?
I think it will be very small. People care more about results than process. If reconciliation results in this early Medicare buy-in starting in 2010, I think it would be a huge net political gain for Democrats by showing that reform is working.
Was there a political fallout from Bush’s tax cuts because they where done through reconciliation? I do think there was.
14. How certain is it that a plan passed through reconciliation would in fact receive 51 votes (when some Democrats would might have objections to the use of the process)?
First you only need 50 votes plus the vice president to break the tie. Second, are you really asking progressive to not stand up for better policy because there are possibly 11 Democrats who will bring down the reconciliation bill to protect their absurd Senate clubhouse feel?
The Democrats in the Senate seem were willing to give Joe Lieberman anything he wanted to get a bill labeled “health care reform” passed. If they will swallow their pride for Lieberman, they will do it for reconciliation if that is the only way the can get the “win.”
15.Are there any compromises or concessions not having to do with the provision of publicly-run health programs that could still be achieved through progressive pressure?
No. If progressive pressure cannot protect the extremely popular public option, I don’t see a single thing progressives can win on.
Progressive have zero power in Washington if they can not draw a line in the sand and say enough is a enough. Only by being willing to bring down a bad bill will they force those in power to listen to them instead of Joe Lieberman. Unless progressive are willing to play hardball, all the power will remain with Joe Lieberman (who has announced his intention to rewrite the climate change bill).
16. What are the chances that improvements can be made around the margins of the plan — possibly including a public option — between 2011 and the bill’s implementation in 2014?
If Obama does not feel a need to listen to progressive on the issue of health care reform at this moment, I don’t see how that will change between now and 2014. If anything, when people are not looking the lobbyists will go to work slowly crippling all the new regulations this bill will add. As long as we have this 60 vote myth controlling everything in Congress, all the power is with Joe Lieberman.
17. What are the potential upsides and downsides to using the 2010 midterms as a referendum on the public option, with the goal of achieving a ‘mandate’ for a public option that could be inserted via reconciliation?
I don’t know and I don’t plan to find out. We can get the public option now using reconciliation and that is what progressive should demand. It does not matter if we “win” the referendum on the public option in 2010, we already “won” the referendum on health care reform in 2008 when Barack Obama campaigned on it. If we can’t hold our elected representatives to account now it is foolish to think we will in two years.
18. Was the public option ever an attainable near-term political goal?
Yes. If Reid had used reconciliation months ago we would already have a bill passed with a public option.
19. How many of the arguments that you might be making against the bill would you still be making if a public option were included (but in fact have little to do with the public option)?
I don’t know about others but I have always argued against the excise tax. I have always said the individual mandate is only acceptable if the government provide everyone with access to decent cost effective health insurance.
20. How many of the arguments that you might be making against the bill are being made out of anger, frustration, or a desire to ring Joe Lieberman by his scruffy, no-good, backstabbing neck?
My arguments against the current bill were all made long before Joe Lieberman was empowered by Harry Reid to remove the public option. Now that the public option has been removed, the regulations have been weakened and the excise tax remains, I think the bill will do more long term harm than good when it comes to health care reform. FDL drew the line in the sand on the public option close to 6 months ago. This is not anger — this is long-term planning.




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Win or lose the issue will be long dead by then.
While there will still be political fallout, no one is going to reopen HCR in 2011.
a bill based on subsidies for 30 million in order to pay insurance companies who are not required to bring down costs or improve the quality of services is so blatantly feudal it’s hard to imagine they are actually contemplating making it into law.
well said
Let the “Kill Bill” Kabuki commence. There will be a pretend “debate” over “the merits” of killing the bill, just as there has been a pretend “debate” about health care “reform” to date. The real questions of money and power will be resolved in back channel communications amongst party officeholders and apparatchiks, lobbyists, and big dollar donors.
I personally hope the legislation dies. That would be better. However, the astute observer of Washington, DC, normally expects that if a potential outcome is “better” from the standpoint of the broad public interest, the real outcome that we all will see will be the opposite outcome. In other words, I expect the Kabuki theater to culminate with a dramatic last-minute showdown in the media that will magically result in the legislation being made law. Why? Because it makes the rich and powerful richer and more powerful. That is normally the outcome of the ongoings in Washington, DC.
As a recent discoverer of this website, likewise, I’d like to thank everyone for making what appears to be a really good political web site. Other such sites (daily crust, thenation.com, etc.) are genuinely terrible and frequently mindless. In particular in the case of thenation.com, that is a crying shame given the publication’s history, but I digress: FDL seems like a great site. Thanks for making it so.
Nate Silver apparently doesn’t understand economics. Subsidies are not savings; they’re incentives. They are antithetical to cost-control. Instead of the real-rate of premium increases, you’ll observe the real-rate + subsidies, and induce the need to raise the subsidies, making the new rate of premium increase the real-rate + subsidy + subsidy-rate.
We’ve been subsidizing college education for a long, long time; anybody see any firm downward trends in tuition?
Demand-side subsidies are inherently inflationary. Which, if anybody cares, is a huge part of why the exchange –even with a Public Option– is a pointless measure of cost control.
Jon, you done gooood. Get ‘em. :o)
If one had to place the most striking proposal in the bill: individual mandates, into an ideological context, what would that be?
Its the opposite of socialism, which would favour something like single payer universal health care.
Its not really liberalism, which would certainly not MANDATE you to open your wallet to the private insurers.
It does sound an awful lot like corporatism, defined as “the promotion of the interests of private business corporations in government over the interests of the public”.
nate is surprising me
he doesn’t understand a number of things
1) the republicans will rescind all of the plan that doesn’t benefit insurance when they get into power
2) the republicans WILL get into power if this bill is passed as it stands, democrats WILL NOT TURN OUT
3) when you force individuals into buying private service AND that private service has a manoploly, you have fasiism, you have the corporate world running your government with a profit model instead of a service modle
I could go on but I am really disapointed in nate, it seems he has a god in the game of passing this reform and he has a dog in the game of keeping obama’s popularity high
Time to start planning for GENERAL STRIKES.
Speaking of long-term planning: it would appear that real health care reform is long since off the table. What’s transpiring now is an end game between the bad and the worse. I agree that no legislation is better, and my personal remote speculation is that any reconciliation process will produce nothing better, because the powers in control of that process are in control of the current process and will have the same goals in mind.
Hence, long-term planning: power in stark reality comes, yes, through the barrel of a gun. In our pretty system, it comes through the barrel of an election. What is the plan to show that we progressives have power? The only way to do this now is not by chasing out options in the health care “reform” Kabuki end game, but by showing that those who stand in the way of progress will suffer unacceptable losses next time. How does FDL and all the rest of those who have (to your great credit as serious and real activists) stood on the right side of the health care reform fight plan to show you have power?
Jane we need you out front leading planning for general strikes.
Nice smackdown, even better than Kos’s. Nate needs to stick to something strictly numerical like pork belly futures…he obviously doesn’t understand real world politics.
Great responses.
If mandates and subsidies are so sensible and good, why is there a need for private insurance firms again? Can they even be said to be “private”? Insurance is about aggregating individual risks and then spreading associated costs (and, one hopes, mitigating those risks in the process). How are private firms helping in this regard? Answer is they aren’t.
The primary element of the health insurance business model is shedding risky clients and associated costs. Health care and the for profit insurance model are seriously incompatible.
Yet, the current approach (at least as far as we can tell from the still opaque Reid mark sent to CBO) is to funnel more profit into health insurers, making them stronger and more able to fight future attempts to improve health care at the expense of insurer profits.
And all along, they’ll be trying to dump high risk clients by honing their skills at making health care delivery more convoluted and compensation more drawn out for those who actually need it.
Financial bailout played out the same way, and now Obama is jawboning execs to increase lending and making pointless noise about executive compensation instead of real regulatory reform. Heckuva job, Obama. Where did you learn hard-nosed negotiation like that? Certainly not from Lieberman, who is a loathsome amoral whiny-ass-pimple but for whom I have a whole level of new respect.
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Am I correct that the Conference Report is a privileged bill and as such can’t be amended or filibustered in the Senate? That it is entitled to an up or down vote and 51 votes passes it?
If so, this may present a legitimate opportunity to get a better bill.
besides, the next republitard will strike down the subsidy.
What, you think you’re in France? It takes an election like the last one to get 50% of the registered voters to vote, to say nothing of those who have never bothered to register. A heavy rain keeps bunches of voters at home. In a right-to-slave-wages state like FL the unemployment rate would skyrocket after a 1 day general strike.
Kos has his own 20 Answers, which sound a lot like yours: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/12/16/815402/-20-answers
I wonder if a mandate could be seen as a Bill of Attainder since it favors one particular segment over others, and thus be set aside on that basis?
Either way, this legislation is a complete joke. I still maintain it is possible to bring our government to heel, but it will take a concerted effort by a majority of its tax-paying citizens. Suppose people were to simply refuse to pay taxes based on the idea that our tax money is being egregiously misused to pay for military adventurism and support for Wall St. banksters? How long do you think this government would actually survive? The only two choices they would have is prosecute the tax-deniers (several million of them)or belly up to the bargaining table and start cutting a deal with the citizenry instead of the corporations. After all, I don’t see them taxing corporations to make up the difference.
too big to fail,comes to mind
Unfortunately, no, the conference report will still require 60 votes. (Hate to cite HCAN given their capitulation but they do have the legislative info written up.) If it was only 50, I would have cared a lot less what the Senate passed. But me still thinks this has a good chance of going to reconciliation, where Conference does only require 50.
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Great responses.
If mandates and subsidies are so sensible and good, why is there a need for private insurance firms again? Can they even be said to be “private”? Insurance is about aggregating individual risks and then spreading associated costs (and, one hopes, mitigating those risks in the process). How are private firms helping in this regard if their primary contribution is screwing over the people who find themselves in the situation against which they bought insurance? Answer is they aren’t.
The primary element of the health insurance business model is shedding risky clients and associated costs. Health care and the for profit insurance model are seriously incompatible.
Yet, the current approach (at least as far as we can tell from the still opaque Reid mark sent to CBO) is to funnel more profit into health insurers, making them stronger and more able to fight future attempts to improve health care at the expense of insurer profits.
And all along, insurers will be trying to dump high risk clients by honing their skills at making health care delivery more convoluted and compensation more drawn out for those who actually need it.
Financial bailout played out the same way, and now Obama is jawboning execs to increase lending and making pointless noise about executive compensation instead of real regulatory reform. Heckuva job, Obama.
Where did Obama learn hard-nosed negotiation like that? Certainly not from Lieberman, who is a loathsome amoral whiny-ass-pimple but for whom I have a whole level of new respect.
What particularly pisses me off is that the naysayers are spouting that if we don’t pass this monstrosity now that we’ll never get anything “because no President will ever touch this issue again”.
So Obama would simply let millions of Americans continue to face bankruptcy b/c of spiralling premium rates, allow the insurance industry to deny those with pre-existing conditions or post-existing conditions, let millions more simply rely on Emergency rooms, small businesses to collapse under the weight of insurance burdens, etc.
If that’s the sort of President he is then he needs to be impeached. If this is the sort of Congress up there they need to all be purged. They are OUR employees…they were elected to do a job. Not sit on their hands and collect salaries and pensions.
They should have been pushing a health care bill to solve these issues every year for decades. They are only doing so now b/c they KNOW they face an angry public willing to send them packing. So they’ll put on a band-aid and hope it assuages enough to hide the catastrophe coming.
For those that say “it’ll be fixed next year” ~ what incentive do they have to do so once they’ve put the band-ide over the sepsis wound and say “Look we fixed it! Hooray for us!”
f that’s the sort of President he is then he needs to be impeached. If this is the sort of Congress up there they need to all be purged. They are OUR employees…they were elected to do a job. Not sit on their hands and collect salaries and pension
yup
Here is where I first came across this information.
http://www.sfchron.com/cgi-bin/blogs/yaki/index
Someone was here yesterday claiming the same thing.
If you hit refresh, it puts the paragraphing back in.
Again, this is like a football coach [call him, say, Barack Clinton] who was 0 for 16 in 1993, defending a new plan that will take the team to 1 and 15 today.
Sure, he can go on and on about all the ways winning one game is better than winning none at all. But everytime someone wants the discussion to shift to achieving a winning season instead, he drags us all back to, “it’s still better than nothing.”
You know, in the medium term.
Thanks. Kinda puts the loser Ds in perspective.
In the response to Question 3 above is the following:
As I understand it this should read “the bill DOESN’T need to increase profit margins…” But I may be wrong…
10. Where is the evidence that the public option is particularly important to base voters and/or swing voters (rather than activists), as compared with other aspects of health care reform?
OK, that surprised me.
Nate Silver’s thing is polls, right? I mean, that’s his bread and butter. And Silver has access to more polls than I’ve even heard of. Further, 538 has polled the public option more than once. So, why didn’t he just poke around, you know, maybe Google his own site, and look up some numbers?
It leads me to conclude that there was more emotion than wonk behind this piece.
With his last question, Nate is infantilizing his critics. As with Joe and Michael Corleone, health reform isn’t personal, except to about 100 million Americans. It’s strictly bidness.
Joe’s goal, and Obama’s too, is how to stifle reform that lowers insurance company profits. Their goal is not to design and implement it rationally or cost-effectively. He and they think it’s fine the way it is; neither he nor his corporate or political patrons want change, unless it stifles further reform or puts more money in their pockets.
Joe’s policies regarding health reform treat Americans who need better or cheaper health care, or access to any at all, as if they were Palestinians. None of us or them are worth the bother of treating as human beings to whom their government should answer.
That’s why Joe – and sotto voce, Obama – are the opponents in this game, not the GOP. It’s not their symbolism or rhetoric that is hateful, or themselves personally, it’s what they do.
Terrific article, Jon. Ian Welsh had a go at some of the HC bill apologists today, but yours is stronger on specifics.
Just one question about acronyms – NRE == ?, CMS == ? .
Yes, it’s like how most of us used to treat medical services before copay became popular – we weren’t paying for it, so what did we care what the cost was? Ironic example, but somehow a fitting one, I think. Memories sure are short and convenient in DC these days.
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I wish the people who think that a miracle will happen and the bill will miraculously be improved in conference would look at the actual results of that procedure. It’s a piece of crap now, and can be improved, but those driving the process aren’t interested in it. (Witness the badmouthing of Dean after he spoke out.)
Interesting. I hadn’t heard that interpretation. I could be wrong, but my guess is he’s wrong for one of 2 reasons:
#1. He’s relying on a technicality, when in fact the Senators long ago did away with the rule requiring constant speeches a la the old school filibuster. Or,
#2. He’s right, but Reid doesn’t have the balls to go this route, and will allow a filibuster even though he doesn’t technically need to.
Actually, the copay doesn’t give you any idea what anything costs either. Depending on your insurance plan your copay for a “specialist visit” may be, say, $40. You pay that whether you’re going on for a quick visit or a more extended, complex problem.
Not only ‘Doesn’t need to increase’… But this needs to be altered too…
To…
8-(
I wigged out of the medical system 28 years ago when I saw the bill for my perfectly normal delivery was $15,000. (The “good” old days, when not a cent came out of my personal pocket.) I can’t imagine what it would cost today.
I’ve taken the sake out of the cabinet and put it on the kitchen counter so I don’t forget to send it next time I get to the P.O.
Most of the plans I see out here that are offered to individuals have copays as a percentage of the total cost, or as a percentage up to a certain amount. So I suppose it depends on your policy. But yes, a copay that’s a set amount per visit or what have you probably doesn’t make you any more aware of the true cost.
So… suddenly I’m feeling much, much warmer about the R obstructionism. Let’s make it work for us. Never thought I’d say this, but how can we help them delay HCR action? At least ’til Ds come to their senses.
(I know, I won’t hold my breath for that last.)
Thanks Jon.
I work for a tertiary specialty ENT practice, and insurance plans with “copays” generally specify a dollar amount to be paid if you see the doctor, no matter what is done. This may be just a semantic difference we’re having, however. I know that I pay $40 to see my eye doctor whether I’m asking his assistant to take a cinder out of my eye or I’m asking him to do a full examination.
Kudos to both Nate and Jon for jointly producing the best combination of clear and comprehensive I’ve found on whether the bill should live or die.
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More good stuff Jon, thanks.
RJ At HuffPo Has Similar Thoughts About Silver
Very good work, Jon…
The idea people like Nate & Ezra are the rational adults on this issue is…well, crazy. They have been enabling the capitulation for months. Cheering it on, almost.
oh my god, I thought this would at least be wonks at 20 paces – knowing damn good and well Jon would be the last wonk standing – but thinking it would be at least prove a helpful read – but geez, this is Bambi vs Godzilla – what the hell is up with Nate’s questions ?! I can respond to most of them cogently
and that is a credit to you Jon Walker for all you have done here – thank you.
CMS is the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services – government agency which oversees delivery of Medicare, Medicaid, the Children’s Health Insurance Program and other programs.
and good on Kos for pushing back ! – these self styled grown ups were setting the likes of he and Jane up to be the perfect murdering the good this had to be done -
no, it isn’t a bill of attainder
jumped right out at me as well.
this is tragicomically cliche – was taken aback a few days ago as I was reading him and he went out of his way to declare himself to have been a policy guy all along – wtf? – there was an uncharacteristic air of self importance to it . we were all so happy for his well deserved success last year, who in the hell knew he’d be heading to TNR territory in 12 short months
heh. and I was a little guilty for making my comments about Nate – and then I saw Question 20 – ayfkm ?!?!
never mind the insult to everyone who has worked their asses off in this battle (people in wheelchairs and breathing tubes demonstrated in the August sun, bitch)mr all about the policy thinks he should be taken seriously asking a question like that ?
you are welcome. I do it all for people like you. No war is won without information.
I would tend to agree with you on the surface of the language concerning bills of attainder, but take a look at how this prohibition has been interpreted, and there is reason to think it might be relevant:
“U.S. v. Lovett was a case historically relevant to taking away pay checks of government workers Congress could accuse of being Communists. This was an asset forfeiture case. It states:
Legislative acts, no matter what their form, that apply either to named individuals or to easily ascertainable members of a group in such a way as to inflict punishment on them without a trial, are ‘bills of attainder’ prohibited under this clause.”
It might be argued that while Congress did not intend to “punish” a particular group, They did nonetheless by involuntary stripping of assets. These assets are in the form of mandated payments to an insurance company. A situation that clearly favors one group over another.
Does anyone else have any enlightenment to offer on this point? I am totally curious about this.
I still maintain it is possible to change this situation if we could work together as a group to oppose it vigorously. By oppose, I mean an active opposition that does not involve violence but does involve a meaningful intervention (See Gandhi’s ‘Salt Rebellion’ in India as an example).
Is this sort of thing even possible any more?
The bill as designed certainly increases profit margins. The insurance companies have managed to eliminate their costs for sales, marketing and collections.
The taxpayer is now pickiing up those costs, by the use of the IRS.
United States congressional conference committee – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
not sure exactly what this says
What’s transpiring now is an end game between the bad and the
worsegawd-awfulCan we get a progressive Senator to introduce an amendment that correctly titles this bill? I would suggest the “Barack Obama Insurance Company Profit Enhancement Act of 2009″.
wow, Jon, nicely done. Brilliant and necessary case you made here.
You will not believe what is going on right now. The very people who took part in lying this nation into an immoral and unnecessary war have
Liarman has put together a panel with Alan Greenspan on it this morning to discuss our national debt. What fucking nerve. Liarman’s support of Bush’s tax cuts, the illegal and immoral war. have cost this country billions. Would someone please kick Liarmans ass. Just kick his lying arrogant ass. He is the slime ball of slime balls
http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN.aspx
Did Susan Collins vote for the immoral war in Iraq that has cost billions or for Bush’s tax cuts? They are attempting to flip the script
here’s a question for Nate Silver…. One ofthe supposed benefits from this legislation is that it will remove the differential that currently exists that causes women to pay more for insurance than men and equalize the cost. Does anyone actually think the insurance companies will “equalize” the prices by lowering the cost of women’s insurance instead of just raising the cost of men’s insurance?