Without the option of a government-run insurance entity or extremely tight regulations to guarantee everyone has access to quality, cost effective health insurance, an individual mandate is both immoral and bad policy. If the Senate refuses to provide Americans with the guaranteed choice of decent health insurance policy, it must not mandate people buy insurance. No public option, no individual mandate.
There are two ways that industrialized nations have achieved universal health care. The simplest is for the government to collect money through general taxation and use that money to directly provide everyone in the country with basic health care or health insurance. This includes single payer and socialized health care systems like the UK, Canada, Sweden, and Denmark.
The other way to achieve universal health care is with a strong social contract between the government and the people. The government promises to ensure that everyone has access to decent, effective, affordable health insurance, and, in exchange, the people agree to accept a mandate that they must acquire health insurance. The government does this by placing serious regulations on insurance companies and the rest of the health care industry. The government ensures everyone can afford a good health insurance plan. Normally, most individual are provided with generous subsidies to help afford health insurance and/or employers are mandated to help their employees pay for health insurance. This is how countries like Germany, the Netherlands, and Switzerland run their health care systems.
The current Senate bill only creates a sham imitation of these systems. This bill completely fails to uphold the government’s end of this social contract, but would still force Americans to buy expensive, poorly regulated, junk insurance. Insurance policies would only be required to have an actuarial value of 60 percent, a shockingly low number. The insurance companies will not be banned from placing annual caps on benefits and there is a massive loophole to get around an already too high “limit” on out-of-pocket cost. The end result is that having this “insurance” will not prevent Americans from bankruptcy if the get sick, nullifying the entire logic behind universal health insurance. For moral, political, policy, and economic reasons, progressives must oppose any government mandate to buy insurance as long as the government refuses to pass laws ensuring that every American actually has access to decent, affordable health insurance.
The Senate bill does not ensure that Americans get value from the health insurance they would be forced to buy. Insurance companies are not mandated to be non-profits. It lacks a strong minimum medical loss ratio that would force insurance companies to spend the majority of the money they take in through premiums on actual health care. There are no serious price controls of any form put on the insurance companies. The bill lacks a strong third-party review of claims denials. The bill also lacks a central reimbursement negotiator to make sure that insurance companies are not overpaying providers and passing on the cost to their customers.
The health insurance Americans are forced to purchase will not be affordable. Middle class families (making 300%-400% of FPL) will only get subsidies sufficient to make the premiums for the second cheapest insurance at the low quality silver level (70% actuarial) cost 10% of their income. That is only premiums and does not count co-pays, deductibles, non-covered procedures and medications, etc. These plans will have an annual out-of-pocket limit $12,000. If a family actually had a medical emergency, their health care spending could eat up over a third of their income, or go over the annual cap on benefit payments. This is not quality insurance, and will not truly protect people from financial ruin if they get sick. The bill will also allow insurance companies to charge older Americans up to three times as much as younger Americans.
One of my biggest problems with the Senate bill is that it does too little to guaranty everyone gets quality health insurance. Tax credits are based on the very low quality 70% actuarial plans, and insurance companies would be allowed to sell super-junk 60% actuarial plans, and even worse “catastrophic plans” with actuarial values likely to be below 50%.
The bill does not mandate precisely defined quality insurance packages with set co-pays, deductibles, and benefits. Instead, it gives insurance companies huge latitude to structure convoluted plans in a manner impossible to understand and designed to game the system. The gaming will be made even worse given the weakness of the risk adjustment mechanisms. Without precisely defined insurance packages, strong, third-party review of claim denial, and a strong risk adjustment mechanism, there is no way the insurance on these new exchanges will be good.
Finally, by removing the workable public option and Medicare buy-in, the Democrats stripped the last guaranty of quality. The public option would have ensured that everyone on the exchange would have access to at least one decent plan that would put the public interest above corporate profits. Now there is zero promise that the expensive insurance the government is forcing people to buy will be of decent quality or cost effective.
As a pragmatic progressive, I can reluctantly accept the need for an individual mandate if (and only if) the government does its job of promising everyone access to decent, effective, affordable health insurance. This bill completely fails to hold up the government duties in this bargain. The insurance this bill will force Americans to buy will be poorly regulated, extremely expensive, junk insurance. It will not stop financial ruin due to illness or arrest the out of control growth in our health care spending. This will be expanded “coverage,” but, for the most part, coverage in name only. The individual mandate in this bill is nothing more than government-enforced private taxation on behalf of large, for-profit corporations. It would be just one more step toward corporate serfdom.
There are some parts of the bill that will help many Americans (Medicaid expansion, guaranteed issue, even the weak community rating) but as long as the bill does not guarantee access to at least one decent insurance plan, any form of an individual mandate is morally reprehensible. Obama campaigned against the individual mandate and the provisions that would have guaranteed access to decent, affordable health insurance where removed to win over Republicans Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins, both of whom oppose the individual mandate. Places like Vermont have successfully implemented guaranteed issue and stronger community rating laws without the need for an individual mandate. There is zero excuse for keeping the individual mandate in this bill unless the Democrats have cut a deal to sell the middle class into corporate servitude.
Without the public option (or similar powerful tools to guarantee access to decent affordable insurance) passing a bill with any type of an individual mandate would be a moral and political tragedy for Democrats. Progressives should fight with any means available to stop Democrats from imposing a private tax that would use the IRS to steal huge amounts of money from the pockets of hard working middle class Americans, and force them to hand it over to poorly regulated, massive, for-profit health insurance corporations in exchange for near-worthless junk insurance.



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But what about TORT REFORM!!?!?!11?
YOU HAVE A GOOD POINT BUT I AM VERY PESSIMIST THAT ANY OF THESE GUYS THAT WERE ON THE TV LATELY WILL DO ANYTHING AGAINST THIS BILL. SANDERS IS MIA! HE IS NOT TALKING. GRAYSON IS NOT TALKING!
ALSO MIA. HE WILL VOTE YES. JUST LOOK HIM. WINER FROM NY IS NOT TALKING. HE WILL VOTE YES!
IT IS A SAD DAY FOR DEMOCRACY.
We really need to start pushing for an online system of voting. It’s obvious our current system is WAY to corrupt. Given all our technological advances and Obamas love of technology we need a more effective way to run our democracy and put the power back in the hands of the people.
Thank you Jon, for all you do to make sense of this mess. Those who are uninsured will face a choice between paying the fines because they can’t afford to purchase a policy to begin with, or going bankrupt in the attempt to be law abiding. For some this may not be their first “medically induced” bankruptcy. Nice job democrats….. remind us to vote for you again.
Is this true
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/health-care/howard-dean-kill-the-senate-bill/
The Plum LineGreg Sargent’s blog
Howard Dean: “Kill The Senate Bill”
In a blow to the bill grinding through the Senate, Howard Dean bluntly called for the bill to be killed in a pre-recorded interview set to air later this afternoon, denouncing it as “the collapse of health care reform in the United States Senate,” the reporter who conducted the interview tells me.
Dean said the removal of the Medicare buy-in made the bill not worth supporting, and urged Dem leaders to start over with the process of reconciliation in the interview, which is set to air at 5:50 PM today on Vermont Public Radio, political reporter Bob Kinzel confirms to me.
The gauntlet from Dean — whose voice on health care is well respsected among liberals — will energize those on the left who are mobilizing against the bill, and make it tougher for liberals to swallow the emerging compromise. In an excerpt Kinzel gave me, Dean says:
“This is essentially the collapse of health care reform in the United States Senate. Honestly the best thing to do right now is kill the Senate bill, go back to the House, start the reconciliation process, where you only need 51 votes and it would be a much simpler bill.”
GOOD
“Tort reform” in this context is corpocrat speak for shielding doctors and more importantly the massive healthcare and insurance corporations they work with from liability for their own malfeasance.
Time and again studies have shown that “Tort Reform” does nothing to lower costs and everything to impede redress for corporate wrongdoing.
The short version: the insurance companies are going to continue to jack up malpractice insurance rates no matter what happens… just because they can.
You’re absolutely right Jon. We need to strip the mandate out of this bill for all the reasons you mention. Keeping it in is simply unconscionable.
The stance should have been no public option then no mandates. But already given in.
Biggest obstacle is high cost of pre-existing condition insurance. So we have to make sure not to give that up for any reason.
If they want mandates, then insurance should cost same amount for everyone no matter pre-existing condition or age, addresses cost and coverage and will bring millions healthcare.
The divide and conquer strategy of healthcare industry cannot continue.
This will help all Americans andwill generate good will towards other progressive goals. It should be talked of as medicare for all or VA for all so everyone can relate.
This has to be the final goal. Nothing else should get in the way of it, not immigration, not abortion, etc. This will also open the way to other goals later.
In fighting the little battles, we are losing the war. If something does not happen now, it will be lost for a generation.
Healthcare is the prize, without it, democrats will lose for many decades. Its effect will be for generations and on every american for the better. The other issues effects are temporary, divisive, and tartegeted. Victory on this will win victory on other things.
They have shown incompetence, impotence and appeasement in every area of governance healthcare, wallstreet, snatching defeat at every turn from the jaws of victory.
So, I take it this means that you’re in favor of killing this bill? Good. Let’s kill it and start over.
Hell no, I’m not buying private insurance, and I’d like to see them try to collect a penalty from me.
Harry, don’t forget to stop by Traitor Joe’s on the way home and pick up 300 million shit sandwiches.
I don’t plan on buying in either. I hope enough people refuse to participate so as to make the program unworkable. (I also hope the courts strike it down as unconstitutional.)
Torts cost about 1% of Medical Expenses. WFT are you shouting about?
Yep, the non-compliance campaign begins the moment a bill is signed that mandates extortion on behalf of corporate healthcare parasites. Even having the IRS as their collections agency isn’t going to change that.
Kill this bill. It’s a total sham and a corporate “giveaway” to the insurance monopolies. We’ve been sold down the river by a gang of thugs called Conservadems.
It goes without saying that the obstructionist corporatista elites in the GOP have been and are still engaging in practices which call into question their oath of office.
Time to sweep Congress clean. There are few there we can trust any longer.
Needless to say, there will be no incremental improvements because the Dems will be swept out of majority in 2010 and Obama will not be re-elected in 2012.
This is definitely NOT “change we can believe in”!!
“any form of an individual mandate is morally reprehensible”
No it’s either a tax, or
rent paid to the rich for breathing.
Tax or Breathing Rent. Probably both.
How many people in your family? Last word is it will be an IRS penalty at $750 per head, capped at $2,250 iirc.
Don’t know. We’ve had to fight tooth and nail for months with WH and senate to get the scraps. Don’t know if there will be another chance for few decades. Really fear that.
Forcing a modification would be better. They won’t bring it up for a vote again – WH, senate, healthcare lobby, when couldn’t get it done with such huge mandate. Now momentum is getting lost with American people because it’s been handled so incompetently by the Democrats. Killing it may mean end of it for a very long time.
Love Howard Dean, voted for him every election. WH pushed him totally out. Things would be different with him pushing it from inside.
Need to really assess options, strategy before killing the bill – how, who, what, when to ensure it can be restarted.
Trying to polish this turd is precisely what Obama et al are doing BIG TIME right now. There is no way they can do this and save face; in fact, they’ve all lost the public trust at this point.
Democrats simply cannot govern; Republicans are criminals so we’re left holding the bag.
i think the puny public option in the house bill saves even less than 1% of total national health expenditures. (can someone please correct me if i’ve got that wrong?)
Not to mention “unconstitutional” and the class action suits are being prepared right now.
.02% you want to piss and moan about that?!
How about we demand getting mandates taken out? since PO and medicare buy in out,
Not much of a bill but … don’t know
Just wait for the CBO on this non-reform package! If nothing else, it will totally kill this bill from ever seeing the light of day.
Time to go back to the drawing board and see if these Democrats can do something right.
If not, heave them all. Hell, Pathetic Palin would be better than most of these corporate sycophantic whores.
NO PO = NO Mandate
No Mandate = No rape of the middle class
Simple as that.
Then we need to take every damn loophole that the lobbyists constructed into this bill and rewrite it all.
Baucus’ lobbyists on his staff from big healthcare wrote this bill for goodness sakes. That with help from our new wolf in sheep’s clothing named Rahm Emanuel.
Maybe we need to scrap it all? It’s legalizing the rape of the middle class and will bring Bachman’s “death panels” to an early fruition.
And remember, former Baucus aide Jim Messina was in charge of recruiting during the Obama transition team.
He’s also now Deputy COS reporting to Rahm Emmanuel.
It’s all coming down as they wanted it to come down if you ask me.
What did we fight for? Think about it.
It was all cut in stone by Emanuel (and Obama) from the outset.
Single payer never made it to the table; the Public Option was simply a campaign stunt to give hope to dying americans and to win the election. It was Obama himself who educated us about the public option as one of his main priorities.
Where is THAT Obama now? Compromised and ditching the american people.
The mandate is a tax on low to mid income self employed and younger people, – will this turn out to spark a moral and physical mass movement against Washington?
throw in the ones who really run this government (the Israel lobby) and you’ve got it – bingo!
And a major windfall (using taxpayer dollars) to the very monopolies who are corrupt and screwing us right now.
Should we be rewarding these criminals in this way.
This is precisely why Dr. Dean says “kill the bill”.
With Palin, at least we’d know up front we were getting nothing! – that is honesty, that is a big improvement.
Let’s organize a “Kill the bill” movement today. Dr. Dean and MoveOn will be behind it.
We need to stage a “death-out” on the steps of Congress and a ‘sit-out’ until they become accountable to the american people instead of bowing to their overlords in this fascist corporate morass of eels.
This false timeline urgency that this “reform” must be done here and now while some aspects of it are put off until 2013 or 2014 is nonsensical.
This is a decades old structural shortfall in American society and civilization. Why the rush? Who benefits from this false timeline urgency?
At this point Howard Dean is calling it right in declaring this fraud of a reform as having collapsed in the U.S.Senate. Zero time it and restart it in 2010 and if need be again after 2010 elections in 2011.
Barack Obama needs to be pruned here on his political ego. He is now proven to not be that good on ethics,moral vision or quality of politics.
Barack Obama has done flip flops on several Bush WH matters of policy and conduct from torture,FISA,DOJ scandals and secrecy and powers of unitary executive.He has let Wall Street take the money and run. He certainly is not slowing down or ending Bush WH started American land wars in Asia.
This so called American healthcare reform has been fully bastardized. And Barack Obama and his corporatist friendly D Party should take the hit. They have earned a hard hit with this fraud of a reform.
Who knows?
I don’t think a whole lot of voters know what’s in store for them; and frankly, there’s still no exact text to look at this very minute.
But the direction the chatter is going is really, really bad, that’s for sure.
I think, we have exhausted the utility of the govenrment as a vehicle that acts on the public’s behalf.
But other options exist, short of meekly acceeding to its every dictates no matter how absurd and harmful. The public needs to act on its own behalf since no one else will.
Collective action in the way of boycotts and withholding of funds and recall referendums need to be pursued. We are willingly sacrificing ourselves to the vilest elements in the society without a fight.
It speaks so poorly of a people that it has been stripped of any self worth and will to act with some semblance of character. Other places have managed to provide a very decent arrangement under which they live. It’s time we start to look within ourselves and see what we are capable of.
this is true. I’d rather know that we have another shrub whom we cannot count on to do anything than to have bolstered false hope and then be disappointed and screwed again.
Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.
This congress and this white house has deceived the american people and it’s time to show them that lying matters and false promises have consequences.
They shot their wad on the political capital front. It’s over for them now.
Hell, Waterloo is putting it mildly;
Screwaloo is more like it!~
Last meeting at work today – gotta go. Back later.
Let’s support Howard Dean to help kill this bill. Then we need to support Dr. Dean to primary Obama.
Obama has become this country’s largest disappointment.
The right hates him because he’s intelligent; his base is leaving him because of the doubletalk and lack of spine.
Just wait until we see Obama’s numbers next week! I guess that’s why he said that he doesn’t care about the numbers on 60 minutes last Sunday??
He sees the handwriting on the wall and his numbers will plummet at least 5 points and 10 pointes when the screwjob is complete on the american people.
I’d like to know if he was lying all along during the campaign or if his corporate sponsors and the shadow government who runs things are calling the shots now.
I would like to ask a question, Jon, and whomever else feels like responding. Couldn’t the killing of the bill work in our favor? Anyone who has looked at our “No care” health care system with a clear eye, usually comes to the conclusion that to really reform this mess we need to move into a single payer system. The “public option” option appears from this end of things, to have been a political manipulation to suck the energy out of the single payer movement, which frankly it succeeded at wonderfully.They were never even invited to the table for the discussion. And in many blogs there has been (to my eyes, and through my reading and interpretation) some anger between the supporters of single payer and the supporters of the public option. Which is a good thing if you want to kill any real reform before it has the chance to get written. But if this bill can be killed (I’m in serious doubt. The pressure from the WH to pass anything, may be too great.) doesn’t that open a door of opportunity for a stronger voice for single payer? And because we have seen just what some of the so called Dems in Congress are really up to, a stronger commitment not to be fractured and weakened again by lies, half truths, and manipulations? Can’t this actually work for real reform? As well as for communicating the message that “we meant change” when we voted? Or am I way off base in this assessment? And mikesong, I so agree. I have no intention of choosing “medically induced” bankruptcy because I was mandated to buy a policy I can’t afford before the mandate.
An individual mandate without a public alternative to the private insurance companies, or at least creating real competition in the private market by revoking the anti-trust exemption, would be suicide for Dems. Forcing people into a broken system is just stupid and plays into the GOP’s hands.
The public option was the compromise, after they refused to look at single payer. We knew it was only second-best, but we didn’t think we were up against a party that appears to have gone suicidal (in contrast to the other one, which is batshit insane).
I don’t know that the bill has to be killed entirely. The progressive should just take a lesson from Joe and the Blue Dogs and tell the president and the leadership that they will not vote for a weak bill. Put the ball in the president’s court, since the leadership seems to be taking order from the WH. If Obama wants a bill, then he should have to deal with the progressive caucus, not take it for granted.
Only so much blame can be assigned to ConservaDems. So-called progressives have gone along with this after promising not to. It is very important that those who pose as progressives, only to capitulate to horrible ideas as bad as this, have their feet held to the fire. This is totally unacceptable on many levels.
good point!
I thought the same thing. Perhaps there is still to many people sitting pretty just yet. I don’t buy that it would take ten years to give it another go. If it continues at the current rate the people will be screaming bloody Murder within 2.
I hope you dont mind me giving my 2 cents even though im not an american citizen. Im a big fan of this site, and im telling you a lot of us over here in Europe are following this (and other) political battles in your country right now with great interest! First of all i want to encourage you all, go on fighting, and dont give up, even though i understand how mad you are right now. Channel that anger in the right direction, and use it to change the system!
From an outside perspective its so obvious that your fighting the good fight here. I live in a country with what you call a single payer system, we pay for health care with (progressive!) income taxes. It works very well. Even our most far-right politicos would never dream of introducing the kind of “health car reforms” the democrats are now pushing, it would be political suicide. The consensus here for universal health care is that great! I think thats probably what scares your ruling class shitless, to the point that they obviously are prepared to risk political careers on sinking any tentative move towards a transition to public health care. They understand that once the people get a taste of it, they will never ever back down.
To me it seems deeply shameful that your political system cannot deliver to you, citizens of the richest and most powerful country in the world, a thing that most of the rest of us take for granted. And doubly shameful that Obama is making so little of an effort. Common sense would dictate that its just a matter of time before you get there, since the general direction of human developement seem to be in favor of progress. But my guess is you need a different political landscape than what you have today, with just 2 rightwing parties playing power games. Are third parties really that hopeless? Couldnt you develop some kind of strategy combining a third party with the progressive voices of the Democratic left?
Ok, sorry if this long rant from a foreigner seemed out of place! Keep it up!
The American public is nothing more than chumps and suckers to be fleeced either by the government or the corporations. From that standpoint this bill makes perfect sense.
Jon – Thank you!!!
Nah, not suicidal, just shifting their target demographic upmarket. Besides, “what are you gonna do, vote Republican?” (Hopefully a hell of a lot of people figure out the correct answer to this one within 10.5 months)
Brilliant summary, Jon.
Mandates will never work. Should a bill pass with a mandate to give my money to one of these fucking insurance companys. I will never file a tax form again.
Swede – Thank you so much for your comments.
I am a Brit that has lived here in the USA for 20yrs and voted/supported our President and the Democratic party until today. I heard our President make a speech that pretty much gives a gift of 30 million people to the Insurance/Pharma industries and it knocked me for six.
I was born and bred in the UK and lived under the single payer system and what Swede said is completely right, that once the American public lives under a single payer system they would fight tooth and nail to keep it.
I took it for granted when I did live in the UK because it was always there and I didnt honestly think about it.
This government has sold us the American people down the river…..Perhaps that was the bigger picture all the time as most of our representatives and senators are in the pockets of big business anyway. But in all honesty where do we (the people) go from here?
A third party is so desperately needed. I keep hearing over at DU (Democratic Underground) that to vote for a third party i.e. the Independents is to waste votes because they will never win but I disagree. I think the American public is so fed up with business as usual rhetoric that the time is ripe to gather in strong support for an alternative to the repugs and demnuts.
I love this great country and it hurts me to see so many of our citizens denied the basic right of health-care because of the greed of a few….Health-care is a right and not a privilege as so many would have us believe….The rest of the world governments gets this…..Why not ours?
umm ask Hardballs Chris Mathews who claims over and over obama never even brought up the word public option on the campaign trail.
Even though he said over and over we need a strong public option!
Third parties are exceedingly unlikely in the kind of electoral configuration that exists in the United States. Until we get something like instant-run-off voting in enough localities; we’re going to be stuck with our two incumbency parties.
Benito Mussolini said “Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power”
If this abomination of a state mandated insurance corporation domination of tens of millions of citizens actually becomes law, then the insane claims of the unhinged right wing fringe will be proven correct. According to Il Duce, Obama and his liberal co-conspirators are indeed Fascists.
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What Jon said.
Great post.
Well Happy Holidays to all of us. Barack Obama has just sold us down the river. It hurts — really hurts — to admit it, but this Chicago hustler has taken our good hearts and played us for complete suckers. Why do I feel like Tiger Woods’ wife?
This bill is worse than the status quo; it is an abomination. (Again I cannot easily express my disgust that the teabagger crackpots who called it an “Obamanation” apparently knew something that we did not.) $1000000000s to insurance companies courtesy of this smooth talking empty suited liar from Chicago.
KILL THIS TRAVEST OF A PAYOUT TO INSURANCE COMPANIES ***NOW***.
from feministsocialjustice.blogspot.com:
At this point in the development of legislation, legislators usually are too invested in the process itself to see the grand arc of a given policy’s trajectory. If Senators Wyden, Brown, et al would step back a bit and think in terms that history teaches us, they would see that the current health care legislative proposal is not reform. It is a windfall for for-profit health insurance companies. The wellspring of this windfall is the mandate for individuals to feed insurance companies buy buying medical coverage from them.
History teaches us that there is no “improving” bad legislation. Social Security and Medicare have been successful and expandable because the legislation creating these programs advanced bold visions and put sturdy new frameworks in place. Groups were left out initially, social justice deferred — but the framework that the legislation put into place was conceptually friendly to including excluded groups. Slowly,coverage broadened to include mostly all persons in the labor market. The current health care “reform” bills, especially the Senate bill, is conceptually friendly only to tightening the grasp of for-profit private insurance on our discriminatory, punitive, and arbitrary medical delivery system. Don’t let Democrats desperate for a win in the roll-call column tell you that “we can make it better later.” It won’t happen. To make anything better, we would have to overturn the paradigm the Congress currently is poised to put in place. We never have overturned a social provision paradigm in the short term, and we have never overhauled such a paradigm to make it more progressive. In fact, only one social provision paradigm has been overturned: the New Deal income assistance program for poor single mothers. That change hardly advanced social justice.
If enacted in its current form, health care legislation will come back to bite all of us — with uncontrolled, soaring premiums; new methods of excluding and punishing patients; unequal access; unequal services. Worse, all Americans will be compelled to prop up the unjust system through mandatory buy-ins to the private insurance system.
If the Democrats need to salvage something, they should split the bill into its component parts. One big part could pass right away — Health Insurance Reform, prohibiting pre-existing condition exclusions; gender and other demographic rating; annual and lifetime caps on coverage; churning of expensive patients from insurance rolls. Pass that now.
The other big part of the bill should be scrapped, and we should start from scratch. That’s the part that is farcically referred to as “universal coverage.” End the farce and let’s get to work on a truly universal system that covers everybody in the same way.
Progressives should join Howard Dean in standing up for what’s right instead searching for a silver lining that tarnished long ago.
Kill the Bill.
“And mikesong, I so agree. I have no intention of choosing “medically induced” bankruptcy because I was mandated to buy a policy I can’t afford before the mandate.”
Well, here’s the thing. I have NEVER been a true supporter of the public option because I never saw how the public option would bring down costs enough to make the mandate affordable for th4e vast majority of uninsured.
In addition, this would become the next wave of mass “subprime” defaults–and it would be exactly the same lower middle income strata that serves as ground zero for this next chapter in predatory capitalism, while the rest of us get hit up with side effects.
So placing this kind of mandate on this strata is just a seriously bad idea all around–even *with* the co-called “public option.” This is not good governance. It is a right wing (anti-government) making machine.
It might be useful for some people to pass the bill with subsidies and the mandate stripped out. I don’t think this is the end of our national healthcare problem.
With mandates, no way. It is the very definition of corporatist fascism.
While it might be interesting, for for financially secure people who watch politics, to see this play out on the fate of the Democratic Party, I am not that perverse (nor that financially secure). We got plenty already.
OTOH, it may be that something truly egregious needs to occur before it forces change into a sclerotic system where wealthier professionals in the medical field, large corps, the HE financing industry–as well as wealthier consumers–constantly call all the shots.
But isnt the american electoral system similar to the british? They do have one strong third party. No doubt proportional representation is much better from a democratic wiewpoint. But as i understand it the american political landscape has shifted before, when parties have lost touch with the electorate or been to slow to respond to changes. But of course, if no viable third party exist as an alternative when the current two parties demonstrate their incompetence, that can never happen.
Ive been told that liberalism has a slightly different significance in the US than here, but i dont know. Seems like your liberals right now are doing what european liberals excell at, bending over backwards to satisfy corporate interests and the wealthy, and sending any chances for real progressive reform down the sewers.