It did not take long for the newest “deal” on the public option to fall apart. On Face The Nation, Joe Lieberman and Ben Nelson have both shot down the Medicare buy in proposal which was the key component to the newest “deal” Harry Reid claimed to reach. Of course some Democrats are trying to turn this Medicare buy in into a fake Medicare buy in, but I don’t even think that will be enough to appease Lieberman.
This pattern has been repeated for like the tenth time. Liberals in Congress create a “compromise,” their supposedly left-wing media apologists rush to say how great it is, and the conservative Democrats move the football again. No one should be surprised by the rapid death of the Medicare buy in idea.
It seems the only choice left for progressives in Congress is reconciliation or the nuclear option. Joe Lieberman, Blanche Lincoln, and Ben Nelson have so completely gutted the bill that there is almost nothing of value remaining in it. The few remaining pieces worth passing are quickly being picked apart at the request of industry lobbyists. What is remains is only one of the biggest corporate give-aways in history.
Reconciliation (or the nuclear option) now is the sole path remaining to pass anything resembling decent health care reform. If Congressional progressives back down now, there will never be a single pro-working class American bill ever again passed by Congress. From now on, it will only be massive corporate bailouts where at best regular Americans get the scraps that fall from the table. If progressives will not draw a line now with Democrats fully controlling everything, they will forever be a completely meaningless force in Washington.
I know some claim there are problems with reconciliation. The consumer protections might not be passable with reconciliation. Yet as we have learned recently, Harry Reid gutted the ban on annual limits and added a massive loophole in the rules about out-of-pocket limits. With those provisions gone, as far as I’m concerned, there is no consumer protections left, and it is now worth it to take the chance on reconciliation.
It is time to use reconciliation and pass a decent bill with a public option and a Medicare buy in. It is time for Democrats to show the American people they will not be held hostage by a handful of health insurance corporation defenders like Joe Lieberman and Blanche Lincoln. They must pass reform that will actually help the American people instead of forcing them to hand their paychecks to poorly regulated private insurance companies. This is a watershed moment where we will find out who truly rules Washington. And I promise if the answer is Joe Lieberman and the for-profit health insurance corporations, the Democratic base will not turn out in 2010.



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Lieberman and Nelson need to be sent free airline tickets to one of the Free Clinics since they will not go look into the faces of the uninsured on their own. Yellow bellied rich white guys
Jon,
May I reprint this @ DocuDharma?
The answer has nothing to do with Dems, Repubs or Lieberman. The corporations have already illustrated their power and will do so again… and again…
And you have yet to answer the main question: Assuming that reconciliation actually happens (which I believe it won’t, as I detailed earlier) but just saying if… since Reid and Obama are taking dictation from the corporations then why would you believe that Reid would use reconciliation for anything other than furthering corporate ends yet again?
One step at a time. You must push them to expose their true colors before you get change.
the question deserves an answer because advocating for the end of the filibuster at this time is not very likely to get us a good health care bill. but it is likely to make “entitlement reform” and related attacks on SS and medicare possible.
good. from everything i read about the “medicare buy in,” it was a horrible horrible idea. so very sad when i have to depend on the likes of lieberman and nelson to kill it.
I can only say you have taken the path of the nihilist. End the filibuster now would produce a decent bill. It would also allow Democrats to do other things which a big important progressive goals, repeal DADT, EFCA, immigration reform.
My counter argument would be that when Republicans take back power they will likely eliminate the filibuster then (they come very close in 2005). So it is not a question of keeping the filibuster forever or getting rid of it now forever. I don’t think Republicans will leave it in place once they take control again. Democrats can get rid of it now with a chance of some progressive change or let it happen to them later.
realism is not nihilism. the dems could fix the filibuster, or they could stop using it as their latest excuse for doing what they want instead of what they were elected to do. i’m not inventing this. i have watched them do it, and in the case of fisa legislation i documented it in absurd detail so that we could all learn from that history.
and btw, nihilism is so far from my personal philosophical approach to life, that i consider your comment seriously offensive.
from merriam-webster’s dictionary:
instead of labeling/name calling can you provide some evidence to support your thesis that the end of the filibuster would, with this congress and this administration, actually get us progressive legislation and not entitlement reform? i’ve provided counter evidence in the fisa link above.
Well agree to disagree.
I think there is a chance we will get some progressive legislation passed if we eliminated the filibuster and zero chance without it. I’m willing to take that risk.
Without progressive change our nation is heading for disaster. It is choosing the route we know will end in destruction or the route that has a chance of working.
ok. i’m fine with disagreement. even evidence free disagreement.
but drop the accusations of nihilism. there are more than two routes available.
why what is your suggestion for how to achieve progressive change? If you do not like mine what is yours.
see my comments on this old thread @421 and @425 for a bit on my take re progressive change.
not claiming that my alternative is objectively correct or anything like that, just that there are more than two options and rejection one of the two you list does not mean acceptance of the other. maybe instead it’s time for creative out of the box thinking / brainstorming to find more alternatives?
p.s. edit add, i completely agree with your statement, “Without progressive change our nation is heading for disaster.”
I don’t agree with your strategy because I don’t see how you overcome the 60 vote threshold in the senate that will basically dishearten any progressive movement before it achieves its goal, but I will apologies about the nihilism.
thanks. appreciate that.
we didn’t get the epa and osha from nixon because he cared about the environment or worker’s rights.
it’s about progressive change from the bottom up – not top down and not polling. mobilization. it’s not quick, certainly not measured in 2 year election cycles. but for the long haul, most people actually get motivated to work for things they believe in more than they do for neoliberal technocratic changes. i just think that BOTH conservative and neoliberal “solutions” are not progress. most of the time, i don’t think we even talk about progressive change here on a progressive blog.
i think what we’re missing now is not so much the votes in congress as we are a popular progressive mobilization to counter and confront (instead of attempt to accommodate) corrupt centers of power.
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but regardless of whether i’m right or wrong, please don’t put my SS at risk. i and a lot of other people are going to need that — just to survive let alone to continue the fight.
Well Gregg and Conrad are already working on a commission to “reform” SS that’s recommendations could not be filibuster. They are working to attack that one with a step around so protect the filibuster does not mean it is safe.
Great post…I don’t think anyone should be surprised by what’s been happening, but it sure has been frustrating having to let this kabuki play out to justify the watershed moment we’re about to get to.
that’s no reason to make it easier for them.
(and wouldn’t the formation of the commission be subject, at this time, to a filibuster challenge?)
Having been able to force America to bare its throat during the financial collapse and having then drunk deep from the collective jugular there is no possibility that the corporations and their tools will back down now.
The introspection required to see that this will end in disaster for all is beyond the corporations themselves, as it always has been for those mindless behemoths, and the oligarchs running the show honestly believe they won’t lose.
This has been my recurrent theme, yes, but so far my predictions have panned out with dismaying regularity. It’s not because I’m a negativist that I ask why in the world you would think that Reid would turn reconciliation to progressive advantage… it’s because I don’t think you quite understand this moment in time and what it is you’re actually fighting.
- Kurt Vonnegut “Breakfast of Champions”
why would you believe that Reid would use reconciliation for anything other than furthering corporate ends yet again?
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Because he snuck in a last minute public option provision once already.
Now that the anti-Medicare buy-in and abortion rights clowns are preventing 60, where else does Reid have to go?
Reconciliation for a bill that controls costs with an immediate Medicare buy-in is a win-win and will bring DEMs to the polls in 2010.
It feels like the health lobby has had a plan on how to defeat healthcare from the beginning. Once 1 thing is let go, they fight for next one, if 1 player is getting too much heat, another crops up. It will be whittled down to no change soon. It has to be a plan. They’ve had Obama and multiple players in democratic party and lieberman in their pocket since the beginning.
President should have had a plan, strategy in private(if not public). Leadership starts from president on down. Pelosi showed leadership and delivered but there is nothing you can do if you don’t get the support of your president. This cannot be laid on the repubs. Actually, by not participating, they did democrats a favor by letting them shape the legislation. But, there are foxes in the henhouse.
I think we have to make sure that when healthcare reform is talked about, that it is clear that it is majority of americans and not just progressive, liberals only who want it. It is change the majority of americans want so lets that is how it should be talked of in media, blogs, etc. Media including even progressives talk about it as that progressives want reform only.
Never have the elected Democrats so willfully ignored the will of the people and legally been bought off by corporations than today.
We’ve been let down by cult supporters who believed the heavens would part and who vehemently shot down anyone who dared even question putting such hopes and faith in a person without proof, trust has to be earned. That’s why there are laws. Hillary would have at least fought for it.
We needed a Roosevelt(either one) or Johnson.
The president needs to stop all the photo ops and events and start being leader. People are really hurting. That means you formulate a plan, strategy behind the scenes if necessary to deliver on what you campaigned on, your promise to American people. You don’t hire people affiliated with the industry.
The democratic voters will not turn out for them for the next 40 years.
What a mess. They gave and gave and gave, for what? That’s what you get when you bend over backwards for the likes of Lieberman,Lincoln,Nelson and Landrieu. The best way to handle this is to put the best possible public option in and go for the vote. The popularity of this bill really stated to tank the moment concessions on the public option began. Make those 4 undercover republics go on record against the heath care so the Dems have some donkeys to pin the tail on and let the voters sort it out next year. The public option is the only part of the bill that has consistently showed decent support throughout the process.
I know some claim there are problems with reconciliation. The consumer protections might not be passable with reconciliation.
Yeah, the people who say this are the people think the insurance industry will meekly comply with market regulations. A reconciliation bill can create a public option plan that includes consumer protections and an employer mandate to buy into it– unless an employer can show it has a private plan that matches the public plan’s consumer protections (and other benefits). If the private insurers want to keep any customers, they’ll get on the bandwagon.
The whole Obamacare heath care bill should be ditched, it’s a bad idea that is getting worse everyday… If there is so much waste in current programs, claim it now and save the higher taxes, reduced services and VAT taxes to pay for this wastefull Obamanation!.. Think about it, with all the money they are throwing at the senators and congressmen to buy their votes, couldn’t that money be put to better use then bribes?