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		<title>By: joelaharrison</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those who like to pick on Medicare, a few facts are in order. Medicare covers the most expensive segment of our population: Seniors, AIDS patients, patients with End-Stage Renal Disease, patients with Amyotropic Lateral Sclerosis (Lou Gehrig’s Disease), and people disabled by illness or injury for two years. No for-profit insurance company will cover these people. They represent the quintessential pre-existing conditions. The total number of Medicare Beneficiaries in 2008 was 44,831,390 (15% of U.S. population).   Perhaps, a few may obtain insurance at exorbitant costs, probably with a rider to exclude any pre-existing condition; but the vast majority would not be able to obtain private coverage. Vouchers for private coverage would be prohibitive. 

MORE MEDICARE REFORM AND MEDICARE FINANCES FACTS:

Medicare is subject to the same cost pressures as the private sector. Yet, Medicare has done a better job of containing costs than the private sector.  

Medicare’s administrative costs are approximately 3% compared with the private sectors 15%. Unfortunately, the Bush administration and Republicans pushed Medicare Advantage to get seniors into various forms of managed care. The Medicare Payment Advisory Commission found that Medicare could save approximately $17 billion per year by eliminating this program which, in essence, just gives creates additional profits. The Medicare Modernization Act of 2003 which created the Drug Benefit Program, Medicare Part D, forbade Medicare from negotiating with the drug companies, something that all for-profit insurance companies, the military, the VA, and Medicaid are allowed to do. Estimates put savings at $20 billion per year if Medicare negotiated the same prices as the VA. 

Medicare does suffer from fraud; but fraud is endemic to the entire U.S. health care system, far more than in other systems.   

Medicare is not facing bankruptcy. It will, however, have a shortfall, that is, revenues coming in will be less than expenditures in a few years. But our GDP will also have grown so that, as a percentage of GDP, we will manage. On the other hand, our entire current health care system’s projected cost increases are unsustainable. 

Imagine the consequences if Medicare were to fail. Besides watching our loved ones face premature disabilities and death, anticipating the same for ourselves, our already overcrowded emergency rooms would collapse under the added burden. Medicare pays additional monies under the Disproportionate Share Program to hospitals who treat high percentages of the uninsured and/or poor. These hospitals would be the first to close followed by many more hospitals closing and doctors offices going out of business. And since Medicare pays for all residencies, in the future we would have fewer specialists. 

Is Medicare Underpaying Doctors? A doctor at Congresswoman Maxine Water’s town hall August 22nd in Los Angeles said that Medicare actually pays more for some services than private insurance and that private insurance pays no better overall. However, even if in some instances Medicare pays less, do doctors lose money on Medicare patients? 

Airlines often offer half price or less for standbys for last minute boarding. Since they only need to fill a percentage of the seats to cover costs, another percentage to gain profits, then any monies received from the remaining empty seats just add to their profits. Standard economics says that as the number of patients increase, the average costs, including fixed costs (office expenses, including building, equipment, and staff), decrease. Currently, approximately 10% of doctors’ billings are to cover the excess administrative costs of dealing with our fragmented for-profit system. Why should Medicare fees cover the excess administrative overhead? 

Imagine what would happen if all the patients currently on Medicare ceased to be insured. Would doctor’s incomes then go up? So, as far as I can tell, the claim that doctors lose money on Medicare patients is simply a statement that they don’t make as much as they would like.

Joel A. Harrison PhD, MPH
references below
  White, Joseph, “Markets and Medical Care: The United States, 1993-2005,” Milbank Quarterly, 2007, Vol. 85, No. 3, pp. 395-448, http://www.milbank.org/quarterly/8503feat.html 

  Malcolm K. Sparrow. “License to Steal: Why Fraud Plagues America’s Health Care System,” Westview Press, 1996

  Kaiser Family Foundation. “Total Number of Medicare Beneficiaries 2008,” http://www.statehealthfacts.org/comparemaptable.jsp?ind=290&amp;cat=6

 Woolhandler, S. et al. “Costs of Health Care Administration in the United States and Canada,” New England Journal of Medicine, Vol. 349, 2003, 768-75, http://www.pnhp.org/publications/nejmadmin.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those who like to pick on Medicare, a few facts are in order. Medicare covers the most expensive segment of our population: Seniors, AIDS patients, patients with End-Stage Renal Disease, patients with Amyotropic Lateral Sclerosis (Lou Gehrig’s Disease), and people disabled by illness or injury for two years. No for-profit insurance company will cover these people. They represent the quintessential pre-existing conditions. The total number of Medicare Beneficiaries in 2008 was 44,831,390 (15% of U.S. population).   Perhaps, a few may obtain insurance at exorbitant costs, probably with a rider to exclude any pre-existing condition; but the vast majority would not be able to obtain private coverage. Vouchers for private coverage would be prohibitive. </p>
<p>MORE MEDICARE REFORM AND MEDICARE FINANCES FACTS:</p>
<p>Medicare is subject to the same cost pressures as the private sector. Yet, Medicare has done a better job of containing costs than the private sector.  </p>
<p>Medicare’s administrative costs are approximately 3% compared with the private sectors 15%. Unfortunately, the Bush administration and Republicans pushed Medicare Advantage to get seniors into various forms of managed care. The Medicare Payment Advisory Commission found that Medicare could save approximately $17 billion per year by eliminating this program which, in essence, just gives creates additional profits. The Medicare Modernization Act of 2003 which created the Drug Benefit Program, Medicare Part D, forbade Medicare from negotiating with the drug companies, something that all for-profit insurance companies, the military, the VA, and Medicaid are allowed to do. Estimates put savings at $20 billion per year if Medicare negotiated the same prices as the VA. </p>
<p>Medicare does suffer from fraud; but fraud is endemic to the entire U.S. health care system, far more than in other systems.   </p>
<p>Medicare is not facing bankruptcy. It will, however, have a shortfall, that is, revenues coming in will be less than expenditures in a few years. But our GDP will also have grown so that, as a percentage of GDP, we will manage. On the other hand, our entire current health care system’s projected cost increases are unsustainable. </p>
<p>Imagine the consequences if Medicare were to fail. Besides watching our loved ones face premature disabilities and death, anticipating the same for ourselves, our already overcrowded emergency rooms would collapse under the added burden. Medicare pays additional monies under the Disproportionate Share Program to hospitals who treat high percentages of the uninsured and/or poor. These hospitals would be the first to close followed by many more hospitals closing and doctors offices going out of business. And since Medicare pays for all residencies, in the future we would have fewer specialists. </p>
<p>Is Medicare Underpaying Doctors? A doctor at Congresswoman Maxine Water’s town hall August 22nd in Los Angeles said that Medicare actually pays more for some services than private insurance and that private insurance pays no better overall. However, even if in some instances Medicare pays less, do doctors lose money on Medicare patients? </p>
<p>Airlines often offer half price or less for standbys for last minute boarding. Since they only need to fill a percentage of the seats to cover costs, another percentage to gain profits, then any monies received from the remaining empty seats just add to their profits. Standard economics says that as the number of patients increase, the average costs, including fixed costs (office expenses, including building, equipment, and staff), decrease. Currently, approximately 10% of doctors’ billings are to cover the excess administrative costs of dealing with our fragmented for-profit system. Why should Medicare fees cover the excess administrative overhead? </p>
<p>Imagine what would happen if all the patients currently on Medicare ceased to be insured. Would doctor’s incomes then go up? So, as far as I can tell, the claim that doctors lose money on Medicare patients is simply a statement that they don’t make as much as they would like.</p>
<p>Joel A. Harrison PhD, MPH<br />
references below<br />
  White, Joseph, “Markets and Medical Care: The United States, 1993-2005,” Milbank Quarterly, 2007, Vol. 85, No. 3, pp. 395-448, <a href="http://www.milbank.org/quarterly/8503feat.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.milbank.org/quarterly/8503feat.html</a> </p>
<p>  Malcolm K. Sparrow. “License to Steal: Why Fraud Plagues America’s Health Care System,” Westview Press, 1996</p>
<p>  Kaiser Family Foundation. “Total Number of Medicare Beneficiaries 2008,” <a href="http://www.statehealthfacts.org/comparemaptable.jsp?ind=290&#038;cat=6" rel="nofollow">http://www.statehealthfacts.org/comparemaptable.jsp?ind=290&#038;cat=6</a></p>
<p> Woolhandler, S. et al. “Costs of Health Care Administration in the United States and Canada,” New England Journal of Medicine, Vol. 349, 2003, 768-75, <a href="http://www.pnhp.org/publications/nejmadmin.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.pnhp.org/publications/nejmadmin.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: doubleaseven</title>
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		<dc:creator>doubleaseven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 16:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been pointing this out ever since the AMA people shamelessly cajoled their patients (including me) into calling their Senators and ask them to pass the so called DOC-FIX bill (3962) ahead of or at the same time as the HCR bill (HR3961). They threatened if 3962 did not pass Doctors wont be able to provide proper care, thus spoiling the Doctor Patient Relationship. I wrote to PAN/AMA several times urging to refrain from this shameless Blackmail. I also wrote to the Whitehouse and a few Senators. The only response I have received so far is an angry message about me posting this message on the AMA Facebook page as a comment on every one of their many notes to their members about the urgency of topics and the efforts AMA was making.

Here is a letter I wrote to my Congressman Pete Stark: 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://wp.me/pzWG3-3H&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Pete, Say No to HR3962&quot;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been pointing this out ever since the AMA people shamelessly cajoled their patients (including me) into calling their Senators and ask them to pass the so called DOC-FIX bill (3962) ahead of or at the same time as the HCR bill (HR3961). They threatened if 3962 did not pass Doctors wont be able to provide proper care, thus spoiling the Doctor Patient Relationship. I wrote to PAN/AMA several times urging to refrain from this shameless Blackmail. I also wrote to the Whitehouse and a few Senators. The only response I have received so far is an angry message about me posting this message on the AMA Facebook page as a comment on every one of their many notes to their members about the urgency of topics and the efforts AMA was making.</p>
<p>Here is a letter I wrote to my Congressman Pete Stark: </p>
<p><a href="http://wp.me/pzWG3-3H" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Pete, Say No to HR3962&#8243;</a></p>
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		<title>By: rhytonen</title>
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		<dc:creator>rhytonen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. &quot;Actual cost of service&quot; is not a Natural Law, but a price set by those whose profit it creates - for-profit providers (including doctors, who have become businessmen instead of professionals.) It consists mostly of greed, i.e., the demands of &quot;Investor/gamblers&quot; - Wall Street.


2. Medicare (and S.S.,) are NOT &quot;going broke,&quot; They never were, and in fact ALWAYS produced surpluses, and still would if they had kept their own funds. But those entitlement &quot;funds&quot; were incorporated into the General Fund, partly to hide the deficit (which is now being attributed FALSELY to Medicare and S.S.) and absorb their surpluses, and partly to discredit or hide the spectacular success of these &quot;Socialist&quot; programs.
This is from old CBO records - not some conspiracy theory.

www.forbes.com/2001/08/28/0828topnews.html 

budget.senate.gov/democratic/background/2001/medicare_trustfund_factsheet072301.pdf

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/12/08/social-security-hits-six-month-mark-on-cash-deficits/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. &#8220;Actual cost of service&#8221; is not a Natural Law, but a price set by those whose profit it creates &#8211; for-profit providers (including doctors, who have become businessmen instead of professionals.) It consists mostly of greed, i.e., the demands of &#8220;Investor/gamblers&#8221; &#8211; Wall Street.</p>
<p>2. Medicare (and S.S.,) are NOT &#8220;going broke,&#8221; They never were, and in fact ALWAYS produced surpluses, and still would if they had kept their own funds. But those entitlement &#8220;funds&#8221; were incorporated into the General Fund, partly to hide the deficit (which is now being attributed FALSELY to Medicare and S.S.) and absorb their surpluses, and partly to discredit or hide the spectacular success of these &#8220;Socialist&#8221; programs.<br />
This is from old CBO records &#8211; not some conspiracy theory.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.forbes.com/2001/08/28/0828topnews.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.forbes.com/2001/08/28/0828topnews.html</a> </p>
<p>budget.senate.gov/democratic/background/2001/medicare_trustfund_factsheet072301.pdf</p>
<p><a href="http://hotair.com/archives/2009/12/08/social-security-hits-six-month-mark-on-cash-deficits/" rel="nofollow">http://hotair.com/archives/2009/12/08/social-security-hits-six-month-mark-on-cash-deficits/</a></p>
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		<title>By: eyepublius</title>
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		<dc:creator>eyepublius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must be stupid or not very political, or both? But, it seems to me that if there is a concern that affects every location (Medicare/Medicaid reimbursement and believe me, it is a real problem), then a simple, blanket fix it seems to me is is the &quot;fix.&quot;

Establish and set a FLAT rate for doctors/hospital reimbursement no matter which state or location they are in... and if they want, within reason, allow them to negotiate changes based on their costs and not political &quot;perceived&quot; costs ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must be stupid or not very political, or both? But, it seems to me that if there is a concern that affects every location (Medicare/Medicaid reimbursement and believe me, it is a real problem), then a simple, blanket fix it seems to me is is the &#8220;fix.&#8221;</p>
<p>Establish and set a FLAT rate for doctors/hospital reimbursement no matter which state or location they are in&#8230; and if they want, within reason, allow them to negotiate changes based on their costs and not political &#8220;perceived&#8221; costs &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: public.takeover</title>
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		<dc:creator>public.takeover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salaried employees, government wage and price control, single-payer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salaried employees, government wage and price control, single-payer</p>
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		<title>By: public.takeover</title>
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		<dc:creator>public.takeover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t vote for this health care plan now even if they let me include my dachshunds in my &quot;family&quot; coverage.

Oh, yeah ... and here&#039;s a another feature of The Plan that I just can&#039;t seem to muster a lot of enthusiasm about

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/12/14/091214fa_fact_gawande</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t vote for this health care plan now even if they let me include my dachshunds in my &#8220;family&#8221; coverage.</p>
<p>Oh, yeah &#8230; and here&#8217;s a another feature of The Plan that I just can&#8217;t seem to muster a lot of enthusiasm about</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/12/14/091214fa_fact_gawande" rel="nofollow">http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/12/14/091214fa_fact_gawande</a></p>
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		<title>By: ruascott</title>
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		<dc:creator>ruascott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How much do you expect it to cost?? $7,600 or $633/month is pretty cheap for someone in their early 60s, compared with whats available today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much do you expect it to cost?? $7,600 or $633/month is pretty cheap for someone in their early 60s, compared with whats available today.</p>
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		<title>By: ruascott</title>
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		<dc:creator>ruascott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uhhh..better check that out, my friend. There is no cap on the Medicare tax. Only social security.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uhhh..better check that out, my friend. There is no cap on the Medicare tax. Only social security.</p>
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		<title>By: want2know</title>
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		<dc:creator>want2know</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason Medicare&#039;s finances are shaky is because of the pool of people it covers--those over 65 and people with significant disabilities.  These are people who would (and did, pre-1965) have great trouble getting &quot;insurance&quot; elsewhere.  Let Medicare cover everyone. You would have a more normal risk pool.  Rates would be reasonable and finances would be in solid shape.  

Given that there is no chance of that happening, the buy-in idea has a lot of merit.  There are many people in their 50&#039;s who have been laid-off, downsized, etc., who have great difficulty buying individual insurance policies.  Pre-existing conditions, age, etc., too often mean exhorbitant premiums. That is why the period from 55-65 is called the &quot;dangerous time&quot; in health care coverage. If this leads to demands from younger groups down the line to buy in, great.  We will be closer to getting the health care solution that we should have, but could not have gotten in the first place.  And, oh, it might force private insurers to be more competitve and customer-friendly in order to hold onto custmers that now have a viable choice.  A real public plan.

You can be sure that health care opponents know these things as well.  Which is why the prospect of a Medicare buy-in fades by the hour!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason Medicare&#8217;s finances are shaky is because of the pool of people it covers&#8211;those over 65 and people with significant disabilities.  These are people who would (and did, pre-1965) have great trouble getting &#8220;insurance&#8221; elsewhere.  Let Medicare cover everyone. You would have a more normal risk pool.  Rates would be reasonable and finances would be in solid shape.  </p>
<p>Given that there is no chance of that happening, the buy-in idea has a lot of merit.  There are many people in their 50&#8242;s who have been laid-off, downsized, etc., who have great difficulty buying individual insurance policies.  Pre-existing conditions, age, etc., too often mean exhorbitant premiums. That is why the period from 55-65 is called the &#8220;dangerous time&#8221; in health care coverage. If this leads to demands from younger groups down the line to buy in, great.  We will be closer to getting the health care solution that we should have, but could not have gotten in the first place.  And, oh, it might force private insurers to be more competitve and customer-friendly in order to hold onto custmers that now have a viable choice.  A real public plan.</p>
<p>You can be sure that health care opponents know these things as well.  Which is why the prospect of a Medicare buy-in fades by the hour!</p>
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		<title>By: GDC707</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So am I. That&#039;s why I want to get rid of the for-profit health insurance co&#039;s that denied me access to my doctor(s) repeatedly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So am I. That&#8217;s why I want to get rid of the for-profit health insurance co&#8217;s that denied me access to my doctor(s) repeatedly.</p>
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