When President Obama gave his speech on health care on September 10, he promised that there would be no limit on lifetime benefits under the health care bill:
They will no longer be able to place some arbitrary cap on the amount of coverage you can receive in a given year or a lifetime. We will place a limit on how much you can be charged for out-of-pocket expenses, because in the United States of America, no one should go broke because they get sick.
Harry Reid didn’t agree evidently. Reid, who is solely responsible for crafting the bill that he introduced in the Senate, decided that there should be a limit on lifetime benefits. So when people get sick and have huge bills for things like biologic drugs that cost $50,000 or $100,000 a year, whose bills could become “unreasonable” because Congress is granting drug manufacturers “indefinite monopolies” (per Henry Waxman) that prevent generics from coming to market to compete with them, Harry Reid thinks they should eventually be cut off:
A loophole in the Senate health care bill would let insurers place annual dollar limits on medical care for people struggling with costly illnesses such as cancer, prompting a rebuke from patient advocates.
The legislation that originally passed the Senate health committee last summer would have banned such limits, but a tweak to that provision weakened it in the bill now moving toward a Senate vote.
As currently written, the Senate Democratic health care bill would permit insurance companies to place annual limits on the dollar value of medical care, as long as those limits are not “unreasonable.” The bill does not define what level of limits would be allowable, delegating that task to administration officials.
Adding to the puzzle, the new language was quietly tucked away in a clause in the bill still captioned “No lifetime or annual limits.”
People are asking who put this in the bill. The only person who could put this in the bill is Harry Reid. As Majority Leader, Reid alone is responsible for combining the bills that came from the Senate Finance Committee and the Senate HELP Committee into the bill that went to the floor of the Senate. But neither of those bills had a lifetime limit on benefits. That was manufactured solely by Reid–in violation of the promise made repeatedly by President Obama.
Reid is also manipulating procedure to keep the Dorgan drug reimportation amendment, which would save both the government and consumers hundreds of millions of dollars, from coming to a vote.
Notice that Reid never uses the powers he has against Joe Lieberman.
I wonder why?



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That would be our naked emperor, the obamanable Obama.
Thanks for bringing this one to our attention, Jane. One other thought occurred to me last night. With most of the discussion and “negotiating” centering on the public option and Stupak, it occurred to me that there could be some skullduggery going on with regard to the language on ending exclusions based on pre-existing conditions. That’s being held up as the one thing we’re really going to get, so I would not be at all surprised if they try to gut it, too.
We’re supposed to vote for these guys because why?
Right now, I don’t feel much like supporting any of them, including those that are normally on our side.
We’ve been sold a bill of goods by everyone from the WH down, on everything. They must be enjoying the feeling of shafting the DFHs again.
Why strip your allies of power? No…the answer is to gavel them with healthcare powers.
Sorry, I’m afraid I must do a little editing…
“They must be enjoying the feeling of shafting the
DFHsAmerican people again.”Stuff like this is why it’s critical that the healthcare bill goes to join House/Senate conference. I hope the House tears the Senate a new asshole over this, and leaves Reid and the rest of those cranky old white turds looking like the shills and idiots that they are.
This thing keeps getting worse and worse. Is there any chance Sanders or Burris will step in to filibuster? And, is there any chance resorting to reconciliation would embolden progressives to introduce progressive amendments? I know resulting budgetary items would sunset (rendering any gains toward an eventual public option ephemeral), but couldn’t they at least pass stringent regulations (forcing a minimum % of revenue to be spent on actual health care, for example, or overturning McCarran-Ferguson, the Kucinich Amendment for an automatic ERISA waiver for any single payer states…and whatever else we can pass with 51 votes)?
my disgusts grows daily.
That’s a good point about conference. And yeah, the asshole too.
Along with my growing rage.
High time to kill the bill and startover!
The clowns in Washington work for us the people, enough with the special interests – pharma, AARP, lawyers, etc…
We need to stop the bill and force a do-over.
An independent (far-fetched I know) blue ribbon panel could craft two options for our healthcare system. These get dissected deeply and put to a National vote in November 2010.
“Notice that Reid never uses the powers he has against Joe Lieberman.
I wonder why?”
Holy Joe has him by the nuts about something, I’m guessing.
“A loophole in the Senate health care bill would let insurers place annual dollar limits on medical care..”
“Well Mr. Patient, our records indicate that you’ve already hit your lifetime cap of $20 (adjusted for inflation). Looks like you’re on your own. Hows about you sign over your assets to our buddies over in the “financial services industry? Should get you another 50 aspirins and a band aid or two. It’s a win-win, right? Next.”
I’m going to enjoy watching Harry deliver his concession speech next year. Throw in Nancy and we’ll have a two-fer.
The financial industry bailout.
The HCR fiasco.
Afghan escalation.
And on and on…
Can it be any more clear that there’s a ruling class in this country?
O/T: Matt Taibbi’s latest…
In case your gag reflex needs exersise:
Yup. Gag reflex workin’ just fine…
So how is Reid’s reelection coming along? Time to send this piece o merde home to spend his retirement rocking on the porch in his magic panties.
I cringed whenever I heard Obama say he would push for a “uniquely American” reform. I guess it’s clear what “uniquely American” means—screw the crap out of regular people.
I was wondering to myself how Reid would game the CBO accounting so he could say his custom shit sandwich was cheaper… and this is the only the first stunt that’s been found.
I wonder what else he’s gamed, money-wise?
My thoughts exactly…Snakes is the word that keeps coming to mind. Maybe it’s just the ugly “sausage making” or the new ways to watch this stuff…I am surprised anyone gets re-elected. Maybe this is the “sunshine” needed in order to see how ugly it all is/they all are.
And effectively, as far as I can tell, the only reform that will come out of this is that we the American people, despite years of being financially raped & pillaged by this system, will now be mandated to get insurance. And we’re the lucky one’s ‘cuzz the others died in this system. I cannot help but wonder, if the use of “the public option” was purposely engineered in order to suck the energy from the single payer resolve, dividing our numbers, voices and power, in order that at the end we would land where we are now. Or, if it just turned out that way for the “lucky health system monopolies”. And if things are as bad as this, even if we fill the House and Senate with single payer candidates there is no guarantee they’ll do what they promised either.
There is a sadness upon our land. But the first march I hear of to express my frustration, anger, and outrage, I will participate in. Actually that would be a great headline, “Millions of Obama supporters and voters marched on Washington expressing their displeasure.” The camera could pan back to show crowds and crowds of people carrying signs and chanting “We won’t eat shit! And this is shit!” Or, “What did we vote for?” … “Change” … “What did we get?”…. “Shit!”
Omigod. We are beyond fucked.
Watching Grijalva state clearly that he will honor his pledge and vote NO on a PO-less bill while Woolsey is silent does not build confidence that the CPC will act as one strong voice.
I’m harping on this a lot because it goes directly to the heart of the problem of building progressive power.
our government is failed it refuses to work for the needs of the people only the corporations.
Ain’t we got fun?
This instantly all over the world stuff has got to drive the pols crazy. I’m actually surprised we haven’t seen any leaks about what the CBO is scoring, but then the weekend ain’t over yet.
It’s highly unlikely that Harry pulled this one out of his ass. Most likely this came from one of two places:
* Baucus/Wellpoint
* Obama Admin / Big Pharma Deal
Since Baucus was in on the Big Pharma deal, he’d be in on either of these.
My guess is that like so many other things in this being gamed is that key players wanted this buried and slipped in at the right moment. The Baucus/Wellpoint Bill got a lot of attetion, with some things like Free Rider getting smacked around (though amazingly now lost in the PO Wars, it appears to still be lingering in the Senate Bill). This is such an easy thing to get smacked around they didn’t want it out earlier, so they left it to slide in late.
The process is being gamed to force ping-pong on the House, to get as much crammed into the Senate “deal” at the last moment that gets lost in the rush to get is passed so that Rahm (and that other guy in the White House) get their “win”.
I think people need to go over the Senate bill with a fine tooth comb and list all the dogshit in it. What’s likely best is to also go back over all the bad ideas/policy that has been floated in the process to get a refresher of that Big Health was trying to slip in. You’ll likely find that a hell of a lot of it has been slipped in, mostly in the Senate but some in the House. And it’s getting lost in the (valid) arguments about the PO.
Is there anyone on FDL that can be tasked that, Jane? Pointing them out after there’s a rush to ping pong the bill is going to be too late.
John
Does Nevada have a Senate primary [sorry, I'm a bit out of the loop these days]. If so, does Act Blue have a candidate?
I’ve seen the faces of people who could not afford healthcare. I’ve seen the haunted eyes of families with whom I shared waiting rooms. Our family is lucky enough to afford our health care. But I cannot see the struggles of others and turn a blind eye. Guess that’s why I backed away from politics for so long.
Watching the increasing obscenity of distorted priorities in this healthcare “reform” is downright sickening.
“promise made repeatedly by President Obama.”
Along with promising no lifetime limits he also promised we’d have a public option
So much for promises !
Right – I’ve been saying too that I expect more hippy punching, and I think there are 2 more moves remaining:
1 – you already brought up pre-existing. They’ll use the words “reasonable” and “fraud/ulent”
2- rescission. Same thing with “reasonable” and “fraud/ulent”
What we’ll have then, is the MANDATE!
The WH will say, “See? More people covered than ever before! WE kept our promise!”
As far as I can tell, the only hope is in the House.
Good catch, Jane.
We’re really getting into the gnarly parts of the sausage at this point. And as the ground up nasty bits accumulate, I’m suddenly left with the sinking feeling that this was no better than when the House sold us out on the Iraq war appropriations nonsense back in May 2007, another travesty that our buddy Rahm had more than a hand in.
I wonder how many progressives this is going to permanently radicalize? Even on the usually moderate Orange Satan, the anger is off the charts. Looks like Reid is betting that they can get roped back in like they managed to do on the war funding betrayal, but this time they won’t have the historic campaign of Obama to grease the skids.
I didn’t think of that. It could be a CBO stunt.
Where would he be without her wonderful insights?
close your ears im shouting
END ALL INSURANCE…THEY ARE COSTLY
PAPER PUSHER/MIDDLEMEN
who needs em
not me
Isn’t it time for all Progressives to start e-mailing and/or writing their Democratic Senators demanding that Reid be removed from his position? We could recruit friends to do it as well. Of course, if he loses his election, it’s a different situation but the point will have been made that we do stand up to them and that we are watching.
I couldn’t agree with you more. I’ve started opting out of various mailing lists and not renewing memberships in organizations. I’m mad.
Rally is set for December 15
http://www.lauraingraham.com/b/Code-Red-Rally/405052069012270353.html
Dear Ms Hamsher,
Please stop bringing us bad news. Surely, with all the information to which you are privy, you could find some good news (if you have to lie just a little that is alright) to impart.
I appreciate that you wish to bring daylight to many issues but let me point out that too much sunshine is a dangerous thing.
Thank you for your work.
Nomolos
Jane you were SUBLIME yesterday,on the telly
I think Pres. Obama truly must not have understood how much the voters were ready to trust him, give him support, want to work with him. If he understood at all, he would have a sense of the disappointment with these shenanigans, obfuscations, etc.
There’s a woman scorned analogy…in this case, it’s lots and lots of voters. I keep vaguely hoping that the best is yet to come…sigh…
This soured reform has gone beyond farce to pornography. This is not reform, it is entrenchment, with most Senators desperate to show their bona fides to their corporate patrons and to the anti-reform Mr. Obama.
Democrats think they have a lock on government and reform because the GOP is in such disarray – and Obama is so bright and beautiful – and they think progressives have nowhere to go but to their closets to cry. Karl Rove and Dick Cheney shared their hubris. They might consider the opening lines of a document they ought to have read, and gird their loins for next November, and the Novembers following at two-year intervals:
Fill in the blank. I would start with the Senate and Mr. Obama’s catering to banksters and insuresters, exemplified in this cratered reform bill.
Independence from the Senate isn’t possible without constitutional change. Independence from these Senators is possible with the flick or click of enough voting machines.
Heavier? I’m one Palin statement away from a size 6 (NOT). I try to eat before watching her.
YES I AGREE !!……. typing really really hard now !
USA gov for Big Biz
workers and citizens,WHO PAY TO SUPPORT GOVERNMENT…with their taxes
can pound sand
That sleazy bastard! If I was a believer I would wish the hottest corner of hell to be reserved for him.
Is this the way our fucking democracy is supposed to work? If this is the best they can do, then it’s time to try a different system.
This whole goddamn healthcare thing is nothing but a scam to try and convince the average American idiot that government really works for the little guy. Just drop the whole damn thing and give more tax breaks to the rich. That is something they can really get done. {Not really I’m just pissed}.
buyers remorse ,looked under the hood and found nothing there
A new diet? ! Yeah. What shall we call it?
Mr. Obama and his closest advisers – Rahm Emanuel and Joe Lieberman – fully understood the tidal wave of trust and support his candidacy and victory produced. They have cynically used it to their advantage. It is not knowledge Mr. Obama lacks, or cleverness or persuasiveness. It is the humanity of his words.
NEVER FORGET
SHORT RIDE LIEBERPUTZ was OBAMAs mentor
da chikennz came home to roost
The question I have is who becomes Senate Majority leader if we get rid of Reid? I presume that if Reid loses his seat, we will still have a majority of 55+. With a stronger leader, that would be enough to get things done. Pat Leahy would get things done, for example. But what is the handicapping on who replaces Reid? DicK Durbin is the Whip, and presumably next in line. Is he that much better?
Were you referring to one particular sleazy?
G………….they are great for calorie cutting
It seems to me there needs to be some kind of fail-safe cap. As with most of this, the details are important. Until we know them, it is good to draw attention to these areas of possible skullduggery, but I am not sure judgments should be made.
I think Durbin is somewhat weak but the Senate janitor couldn’t be worse than Reid.
Palin calorie cutters?
That sleazy bastard! If I was a believer I would wish the hottest corner of hell to be reserved for him.
Is this the way our fucking democracy is supposed to work? If this is the best they can do, then it’s time to try a different system.
This whole goddamn healthcare thing is nothing but a scam to try and convince the average American idiot that government really works for the little guy. Just drop the whole damn thing and give more tax breaks to the rich. That is something they can really get done.
I’ve said Medicare Part D was the rehearsal and this is the big show. Watch out for the mother of all donut holes.
see #41
hey Ratty….how hangz it?
Never better and yourself?
One more thing I think they’ll try, that I’m seeing mutterings about. Stupak was making noises about rolling this into the omnibus spending so they could try to corner progressives by saying “they’re not supporting the troops.”
I think that could be a blessing in disguise, depending on the resolve of the Progressive Caucus.
They could say “No” in one fell swoop; “Thesepriorities are wrong. This is mandated inurance reform, rigged for the benefit of the Insurers. The People don’t want any more war. Thisis altogether fiscally irresonsible, and not what my constituents sent me here to accomplish.”
And with populist rage backing them, they could hold up the budget, and make demands.
If it did come down to the omnibus route and they caved, you wouldn’t need any reason whatsoever to NOT primary their sorry asses out of those safe seats.
Who determines what the next step is, after CBO scores Reid’s piece of shit?
WHAT is the next step?
Once Senate has a final/final bill, how can Reid and Senate leverage Pelosi and House, to kill House debate and House changes to the Senate bill? Therby forcing House to sign off somehow on the Senate Bill as it would stand (piece of shit)?
Of course, MY big worries beyond the Senate crap is what’s gonna happen with Eshoo and Stupak in the House.
If Senate prevails, those two items are moot, as they are addressed in one form or another in the Senate final bill, whatever THAT is going to be but sure looks and sounds like crap from what we know as of now.
Thanks again Mz. Hamsher, David D, Jon Walker . . . you keep us up to date, and we keep pressure on the asshats.
Christ, and I thought the worst thing I’d have to deal with today is a dental appointment . . . sigh, that’s looking like it’s going to be a sanctuary at this point . . . . *rollseyes*
Getting rid of Harry Reid will not get rid of the oligarchy. Without massive campaign finance reform or just plain revolution, we will never be allowed to vote for candidates who are not acceptable to the oligarchy. Obama fooled us into thinking (or we chose not to believe) that he was not a member of the privileged group.
From wikipedia: Oligarchies have been tyrannical throughout history, being completely reliant on public servitude to exist. Although Aristotle pioneered the use of the term as a synonym for rule by the rich, for which the exact term is plutocracy, oligarchy is not always a rule by wealth, as oligarchs can simply be a privileged group. (emphasis mine)
The iron law of oligarchy is a political theory, first developed by the German syndicalist sociologist Robert Michels in his 1911 book, Political Parties. It states that all forms of organization, regardless of how democratic or autocratic they may be at the start, will eventually and inevitably develop into oligarchies. The reasons for this are the technical indispensability of leadership, the tendency of the leaders to organize themselves and to consolidate their interests; the gratitude of the led towards the leaders, and the general immobility and passivity of the masses. (emphasis mine)
Well, he did stand up on the floor of the Senate and say that the US Senate is wholly owned by Corporate interests. Can’t be all bad! Least he tells it like it is!
Really not seeing it, but that would be ideal.
great to hear it
im taking it a little,easy after a bit of a scare yesstidy
im spreading too thin………..g
I had joked here during W’s reign that if we each put a picture of his puss on our refrigerators, we’d all loose weight. *g*
Thank you, onebig,
Hi ho, hi ho,
its off to march I go,
lalalala, lalalala
hi ho,
humming as she goes to closet to find boots.
What we need is an annual Nobel Fleece Prize.
Reid has been fleecing us from the get-go. He is a creature of Wall Street through and through. He embodies the most insidous aspect of “democracy” in America: the gaping chasm between the rhetoric and the reality. He is the heart and the soul of crony capitalism.
This is not about Democrats and Republicans. That’s a red herring of the mainstream media. It is about the revolving door mentality between New York and Washington. It is about the impotence of the left [so far] in either exposing or turning it around.
Every liberal and progressive should focus the beam on organizing against it. This is the prize for all the eyes. Everything else is clearly secondary. Democracy is bought and paid for in America. Either that stops or the fleecing will just grow and grow. After all, what is to stop it if it can get away with moral outrages on this scale at precisely the time when millions of Main Street Americans are primed to rise up mad as hell and “not take it anymore”.
And yet why are so many of them going over to BeckWorld instead—to reactionaries who are basically pimps for Wall Street and the health industrial complex?
What is to be done to change this?
the smirk,the voice,still puts me off food or drink
Reid was the one that came to mind, but since you pointed out my mistake, there seems to be an infinite number that apply. I stand corrected.
Winking attcha, hon.
Actually, “never better” is more ambiguous than it might seem.
Sorry to hear you had a scare, hope nothing too serious.
Back to my chores, have a splendid day.
backatcha!
When’s our rally? Can you imagine the signs? Words spelled correctly and all…
all is well,just pacing myself better
I wooden cout on it. :-)
Enjoy the chores. Me too.
I keep asking myself what is this ping pong . . . Bless Teddy Partridge For This Seminal Post
I’m STILL not sure what it takes for the House to be forced to ping pong a Senate Bill.
Who has to agree NOT to conference it, or amend it, or debate it?
Is the House Speaker solely in charge of this decision? Is there a House Committee empowered with this decision? Does the entire House get to VOTE on this decision? What’s the leverage applied to any progs who hold up the process in the House, and possibly stymy the Senate Bill?
Too many questions for me . . . maybe the dentist will give me drugs this morning.
Thanks all Pups for all you do, I’ll check in later to follow up. I may have to restock barf bags at this rate before I come back home . . . .
Sneeze, er, seize the day, sister!
I’m beginning to detect a pattern.
Kill these effing bills.
The question being: how many people who happen to fall in that category at the moment are going to wind up being screwed when/if the pols get through with this miserable POS?
“I wonder why”
Me too. You would have better ideas that most of us.
Reid cancels New Orleans fundraiser
By Sean J. Miller – 12/10/09 03:55 PM ET
A New Orleans fundraiser for Sen. Harry Reid has been cancelled as the Senate is expected to remain in session over the weekend to deal with the healthcare bill, according to an official with his campaign. Reid (D-Nev.) was scheduled to attend a Saturday brunch co-hosted by Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.) and Democratic consultant James Carville at the New Orleans home of investor David Voelker.
But Republicans were mocking the majority leader ahead of his planned absence from the Capitol.
“Republicans are prepared to provide a platform for the debate as long as it takes,” FoxNews.com quoted Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) as saying. “The majority leader said we’d be working every weekend. We take him at his word. We expect to be here this weekend and we look forward to it.”
In response, Reid went on the Senate floor Thursday afternoon to defend against what he called an attempt by Republicans to “embarrass or denigrate” him.
“I think that this debate has really come to a point that I’ve rarely seen in the Senate — in fact, I’ve never seen it — to have my friends on the other side of the aisle come to the floor and in some way try to embarrass or denigrate me,” Reid said, according to a transcript. “But they should understand, any events I had scheduled this weekend have been canceled. Events I had last weekend had been canceled. Four or five of them.”
WONDERING IF THIS DINNER WILL STILL TAKE PLACE? SOME FOLKS DOWN THERE READY TO GO…BILLIONAIRES AND HEALTH CARE FOR AMERICA NOW
This seems to be another expression of the Village game of punching a DFH, reminding them they have no legislative juice. After all, if the government institutes meaningful caps, then no one but Congresscritters, CEO’s and union members with full benefits coverage will be able to pay the Pharmsters the outrageous prices they demand for their “bio-financial-logics”. Except for the people who get started on them, run out of coverage, then suffer or die.
Mr. Reid must really be looking forward to his imminent retirement. Ridding the public payroll of such non-public oriented servants won’t end cronyism in Congress or the executive branch. It just makes it harder to extend the patronage network. Like the surprise flight of the Kodak blimp over Fuji headquarters in Tokyo, it distracts the opposition, makes them reorient and devote resources to unexpected purposes. The rightwing does it all the time. Time liberals starting using techniques that work, too.
Ooooo. I swear I happened to see his daughter on TV/Today show, and turned the switch just as fast as I can…Very important behavior modification;)
Only if it isn’t one of those offices that run fucks news. :-(
Nothing like a good protest sign.
I’ve been on the sidelines following the amazing work of Jane and FDL, but this disclosure blows my mind. Allowing annual limits on benefits is going backwards. It’s not reform, it’s corruption.
If such a clause were in effect this year in my FEHBP coverage, I’d be dead now. No shit. I needed those “biologics” Jane mentioned. I got them because I am covered by FEHBP which has no annual or lifetime limits on benefits.*
(Sparing you my financial & other medical details for the time being.) Those mofo biologics work. They are tumor killers, no doubt. Without them, I’d be dead now.
Allowing health insurance “reform” to regress back to annual and lifetime limits on benefits would set a new corrupt national standard for all other insurers and would directly undermine FEHBP’s success in banning such arbitrary limits.
* No lifetime limits on any benefit category under FEHBP except for 28-day lifetime limit for inpatient treatment for substance abuse.
The best.
I see, thanks. Yes, it is: Just take your pick. Funny about Reid though..he looks so Milquetoast…trying to think of that character from the ’50s. He looks so harmless, dontcha’ know?
There’s a diet strategy that will always be effective!
Reminds me of the “Hard Candy”song from earlier: TX has whorehouse in it, Lord have mercy on my soul.” Or, substitute LA, etc.
Blue Texan’s regularly schedule post is up an at ‘em: “Chris Matthews Pwns Reagan-Worshipping Tea Party Leader”
Doesn’t everyone have to win? The way it’s being ‘framed’ is too absurd, too easy to mock. Like it’s a set-up, for Obama to either threaten to veto or to actually veto. Oy! The drama! Then it becomes a 2010 campaign ‘issue’. You know, like, whew, we won. Heroes galore everywhere.
Well, I’m looking forward to doing my part in civil-disobedience; dropping my coverage, ignoring the mandate, and exploiting the exchange.
Perhaps we could organize a broad enough movement to deny the mandate penalties such that the government would have to decide to drop either its War on Drugs or its War on Health to keep the judiciary from coming completely unglued?
ROFLMAO
Thank you.
Were you thinking of Mr. Magoo?
Was it Mr. Peepers? A TV character….not Magoo. He’s blind, but probably smart. Was Peepers played by Wally Cox?
Peepers=not in my viewing area when I was in kindergarten.
B I N G O
Better to face the gallows than the wrath of Hiram Holliday!
Better:
Reid slips Death Panels into Health Care
Another day, another fucking.
Gotta hand it those pols, they’ve got good stamina. They can fuck you everyday like clockwork.
Assholes.
Part of the Shock Doctrine calls for reducing the population by one-third as well as impoverishing everyone except the rich, which probably explains why pretty much no one except Goldman Sachs got H1N1 shots.
!
heh. annual limits=lifetime limits if you die in the year your biologics are cut off. annual limits=death panel for cancer patients.
OTOH, I did get my H1N1 shot. for free. from D.C. govt. hard to believe.
Last straw for me .Now that we’ve disposed of my healthcare illusions as regarding the democrats, it’s time to take the gloves off on the war and the constitution . Obama is worse than Bush because he is a better liar .
I keep thinking of Shuler and whoever the other candidate was who lied to us when interviewed here.
That’s the feeling I’m getting: that all those promises we heard last year were made solely to get votes, with no intention of actually keeping them.
Nothing like a president whose swearing-in is based on lies. Foresworn from the beginning.
Jon Walker’s latest post says the section 223 mentioned in the healthcare reform bill is section 223 of the Internal Revenue Code (IRC) , not section 223 of the bill (if there is such a section number).
Section 223 of the IRC deals only with deductions taxpayers are permitted to take on their tax returns for health savings accounts (HSAs), and section 223(c)(2) is only a definition subsection dealing with “high deductible plans,” according to the Findlaw cite (undated) . Good luck trying to decipher how HSA tax law affects total benefits available under new insurance plans in the new exchange.
Up until today I’d expected I’d support whatever “health” policy shards survived the corporatist gauntlet. I’d been thinking that the end result would at least save lives.
Knowing that Americans will be forced into debt servitude (to benefit Obama and Reid’s FI sector masters) for “coverage” that can deliberately exclude catastrophic conditions, I’m likely to change my mind.
With so many American families one paycheck away from homelessness (itself a killer), one in eight adults now dependent on Food Stamps to avoid starvation, one in four children raised in poverty – and no clear path for the shards of “health reform” to guarantee effective health care for the uninsured – Obama and Reid’s master plan looks like a master scam.
Now that the operational definition of Reid’s service appears to be Federally enforced transfer of wealth from Americans to megacorps, I’m hoping an honest progressive economist will do the math on the following:
What will kill more people: the current system that leaves so many without care, or the increased poverty certain to result from Reid’s plan to force us to pay rent to his and Obama’s FI sector masters?
In Senate Dem presser right now on C-SPAN2, Schumer fumbled question about new clause putting new annual limits on payable benefits. Said only what his personal “belief” was regarding intent. Also dodged question about why Dorgan’s amendment to allow drug reimportation is stalled on Senate floor. Menendez was standing right there– he is trying to pay off PhrMA by opposing Dorgan’s amendment.
Reading the Declaration of Independence is an enlightening experience. There’s no reason to believe that it is nothing more than a lifeless historical document. It has much to teach today’s citizen patriots.
Senator Whitehouse said he was happy that Dorgan offered his amendment, but was ambiguous about whether he would vote for it. Schumer kept harping on the red herring of “safety” of imported drugs. Dorgan needs to hold his own presser to rebut that crap, imho.
Yep, Wally played Mr Peepers. Showin’ me age. *g* I remember Howdy Doody, too.
Schumer/Menendez/Whitehouse presser was on C-SPAN3, not C-SPAN2 as I wrongly said earlier. Video is now up on C-SPAN website:
Senate Dem presser (about 22 minutes).
I missed Schumer’s opening statement (5 mins.), he defended Medicare, recited history of GOP’s fighting Medicare by calling it socialist medicine, etc. “Medicare IS a public option. If you’re against the government, you’re against Medicare.”
The Q&A with Schumer’s about annual limits on benefits came at 12:30 to 13:15. He said “I believe” the annual limits are “very, very high” and that “there is no lifetime limit.” But he didn’t know how high the limits are.
Those were the days, My friend….I thought…..
So Reid apparently is in agreement with the Republicans that “Government Controlled Death Panels BAD, but Private Insurance Company Death Panels…Mmmmm, Mmmmm GOOD!”
I am coming or perhaps have now come to the position that the Senate is incapable of passing any health insurance reform. This most recent tap dancing tells me they are really foundering.
On the positive side; part of the reason I believe is because of how well informed the public is being kept by FDL and other contemporaneously posting outlets.. Pray this long process has inoculated the public, at least partially from buying any of these recent disgraceful versions.
It seems to me that, in spite of the cold weather, some very serious, well-planned and effective popular demonstrations against the Congress, the White House and their legislative practices are very much in order.
check it out. more from Mobilization for Health Care for All and PNHP
The problem with current insurance company death panels is that they allow patients to find alternative payment and redress methods, like charities, sales of assets, bank loans, experimental cures, lawsuits, etc. Reid & Pelosi would prefer a system where a death panel guarantees death, especially for the elderly, children, and those physically or mentally handicapped.
Well, well…
So you True Believers are finally coming around to realizing that you’re on the menu as well. Well welcome aboard comrades, see you at the next tea party! Being a loyal voting Democrat and writing checks to all the progressive causes does not make you recession-proof after all. Nor will it give you first place in the waiting line at the mammogram wagon.
Your Messiah, the Lord Obama, embraces the Cloward-Piven (which I know you’ve all heard of) strategy of overloading and collapsing the socio-economic system in the apparent faith that a beautiful socialist utopia will arise phoenixlike from the ashes. He and his congressional allies want to pass a bill, any bill that will give government life-and-death power over each and every one of us peasants. It does not really matter what details they have to concede, once state-run healthcare is a fact, everything else can be taken care of by bureaucratic fiat.
Obama is a red-diaper, leftist golem, raised from childhood to believe that the U.S. is a racist/sexist/imperialist criminal enterprise responsible for everything that has ever gone wrong in the world over the past two centuries. In his mind, we ALL deserve to be taken down hard. That includes impoverishing and enslaving us.
Now, you all might be in favor of that in the fashionable faculty-lounge-and-coffee-shop abstract but in the concrete, unfortunately, that means a (short) life of squalor for both yourselves as well as the people you love to hate. And for those of you who believe in human reproduction, it means a short life of squalor for your children and every one of those seven generations to come.
Free-market capitalism may be a messy and occasionally unfair system but as Mr. Churchill said it’s better than all the others.
So, once again, how’s that Hope and Change working out for you?
I agree that conference is important. However, Reid is trying to skip the conference – supposedly, so that he won’t need 60 votes again – but the House will need to approve of his version. This was in the news several days ago, yet I haven’t heard much more other than Reps saying no meetings have so far occurred.
Pre-existing condition acceptance and no yearly/lifetime limits are basic healthcare needs.