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	<title>Comments on: CMS: Excise Tax On Insurance Will Make Your Insurance Coverage Worse And Cause Almost No Reduction In NHE</title>
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		<title>By: taxreduction</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/11/cms-excise-tax-on-insurance-will-make-your-insurance-coverage-worse-and-cause-almost-no-reduction-in-nhe/#comment-69449</link>
		<dc:creator>taxreduction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If that tax goes through, and my plan is affected, I’m intending to downgrade to a less expensive plan. Freedomfromtaxes.com suggests you to take advantage of Affiliate Program, which pays you generously (and tax-free!) for customers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If that tax goes through, and my plan is affected, I’m intending to downgrade to a less expensive plan. Freedomfromtaxes.com suggests you to take advantage of Affiliate Program, which pays you generously (and tax-free!) for customers.</p>
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		<title>By: Synoia</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/11/cms-excise-tax-on-insurance-will-make-your-insurance-coverage-worse-and-cause-almost-no-reduction-in-nhe/#comment-69310</link>
		<dc:creator>Synoia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 15:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It&#039;s the rich wot gets the money
It&#039;s the poor wot gets the blame
The working class can kiss my ass
I&#039;ve got the foreman&#039;s job at last&quot;

Is an old refrain. Obama&#039;s job, running for president, is complete. He now is enjoying the perks of retirement, at taxpayer expense, with people fawning over him and catering to his every wish, and kissing him on all four cheeks.

We need to take back control of congress. I disagree with Citizen Jane, as much as I admire her and agree with her on many points, on her programme to run progressives in many districts. This addresses a symptom of the problem, not the root cause.

The root cause is that we, the taxpayer, pay our congress critters much, mcuh less than they earn from their PAC (Corporate) paymasters. The solution, in my opinion, is to buy them back.

When you control a significant part of their wallet, the votes of the honest politicians will follow. &quot;An honest politician?&quot; you say, with some disbelief. 

Yes, an honest politician. One who remains faithful to those who pay. 

We have honest politicians; their paymaster are not their constituents, which generates the lies an deceit to get re-elected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s the rich wot gets the money<br />
It&#8217;s the poor wot gets the blame<br />
The working class can kiss my ass<br />
I&#8217;ve got the foreman&#8217;s job at last&#8221;</p>
<p>Is an old refrain. Obama&#8217;s job, running for president, is complete. He now is enjoying the perks of retirement, at taxpayer expense, with people fawning over him and catering to his every wish, and kissing him on all four cheeks.</p>
<p>We need to take back control of congress. I disagree with Citizen Jane, as much as I admire her and agree with her on many points, on her programme to run progressives in many districts. This addresses a symptom of the problem, not the root cause.</p>
<p>The root cause is that we, the taxpayer, pay our congress critters much, mcuh less than they earn from their PAC (Corporate) paymasters. The solution, in my opinion, is to buy them back.</p>
<p>When you control a significant part of their wallet, the votes of the honest politicians will follow. &#8220;An honest politician?&#8221; you say, with some disbelief. </p>
<p>Yes, an honest politician. One who remains faithful to those who pay. </p>
<p>We have honest politicians; their paymaster are not their constituents, which generates the lies an deceit to get re-elected.</p>
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		<title>By: fwdpost</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/11/cms-excise-tax-on-insurance-will-make-your-insurance-coverage-worse-and-cause-almost-no-reduction-in-nhe/#comment-69308</link>
		<dc:creator>fwdpost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baracken Promises!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baracken Promises!</p>
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		<title>By: bobbski</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/11/cms-excise-tax-on-insurance-will-make-your-insurance-coverage-worse-and-cause-almost-no-reduction-in-nhe/#comment-69307</link>
		<dc:creator>bobbski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 12:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is Obama ignoring the obvious?  Health care costs soared when the insurance companies (BC/BS, etc.) went from non-profit to for profit and when HMOs reared their ugly heads.  Remember how they were supposed to cut costs?

In any for profit business, profits come before everything and are rarely cut unless it is a life or death decision for the business.  This is as it should be for a business.  

The point is, however, that health care is a vital service and the non-profit model served everyone well for a very long time keeping costs in check.  The upward cost spiral/downward service spiral can be directly linked to the birth of HMOs and other for profit health and health insurance systems.

Just the opinion of a retired old guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is Obama ignoring the obvious?  Health care costs soared when the insurance companies (BC/BS, etc.) went from non-profit to for profit and when HMOs reared their ugly heads.  Remember how they were supposed to cut costs?</p>
<p>In any for profit business, profits come before everything and are rarely cut unless it is a life or death decision for the business.  This is as it should be for a business.  </p>
<p>The point is, however, that health care is a vital service and the non-profit model served everyone well for a very long time keeping costs in check.  The upward cost spiral/downward service spiral can be directly linked to the birth of HMOs and other for profit health and health insurance systems.</p>
<p>Just the opinion of a retired old guy.</p>
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		<title>By: kazzak</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/11/cms-excise-tax-on-insurance-will-make-your-insurance-coverage-worse-and-cause-almost-no-reduction-in-nhe/#comment-69291</link>
		<dc:creator>kazzak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 03:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m relatively young, but neither my spouse or I have very good health.   Like another poster above I took the most expensive plan available so we could see specialists (mental health for me, oncologist for her).

The past 3 years I have had perfect reviews at my job and raises of 1-2%.  Every other bit goes to my employer covering their part of ever larger premiums for my PPO plan.  I&#039;m totally expecting them to drop that option or negotiate a higher co-pay if this legislation goes through.

I can&#039;t afford an excise tax like this.  I could have gone bankrupt last year from a $3000 bill for a routine colonoscopy (we&#039;d already exhausted our HSA on drug co-pays and mental health deductibles).  If this stupid bill goes through with this, I will either have to dip into my very meager retirement savings or try to sell my house that I saved for 10 years to get the down payment for.

I don&#039;t know how people that have worse paying jobs than mine can pull it off honestly.   Everything I read about this bill makes me sick (no pun intended).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m relatively young, but neither my spouse or I have very good health.   Like another poster above I took the most expensive plan available so we could see specialists (mental health for me, oncologist for her).</p>
<p>The past 3 years I have had perfect reviews at my job and raises of 1-2%.  Every other bit goes to my employer covering their part of ever larger premiums for my PPO plan.  I&#8217;m totally expecting them to drop that option or negotiate a higher co-pay if this legislation goes through.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t afford an excise tax like this.  I could have gone bankrupt last year from a $3000 bill for a routine colonoscopy (we&#8217;d already exhausted our HSA on drug co-pays and mental health deductibles).  If this stupid bill goes through with this, I will either have to dip into my very meager retirement savings or try to sell my house that I saved for 10 years to get the down payment for.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how people that have worse paying jobs than mine can pull it off honestly.   Everything I read about this bill makes me sick (no pun intended).</p>
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		<title>By: biglake</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/11/cms-excise-tax-on-insurance-will-make-your-insurance-coverage-worse-and-cause-almost-no-reduction-in-nhe/#comment-69283</link>
		<dc:creator>biglake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 02:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unjust patient protection. Cut costs of health care by cutting our services and benefits already bargained?   
Enough to make one sick.  

Cap all the damn health industry profits instead.   Provide health care services Americans need for minimal profit or get out of the business and leave it to non-profit.  

Ditto when Obama talks similar crap on entitlements and debts (lay it on the profiteers instead of the victims)  as he commits us to war evermore- the global &quot;enforcers&quot;  and just wars for multinational oil corporations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unjust patient protection. Cut costs of health care by cutting our services and benefits already bargained?<br />
Enough to make one sick.  </p>
<p>Cap all the damn health industry profits instead.   Provide health care services Americans need for minimal profit or get out of the business and leave it to non-profit.  </p>
<p>Ditto when Obama talks similar crap on entitlements and debts (lay it on the profiteers instead of the victims)  as he commits us to war evermore- the global &#8220;enforcers&#8221;  and just wars for multinational oil corporations.</p>
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		<title>By: Blub</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/11/cms-excise-tax-on-insurance-will-make-your-insurance-coverage-worse-and-cause-almost-no-reduction-in-nhe/#comment-69278</link>
		<dc:creator>Blub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 02:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and boy what great outcomes:

healthcare: F
global warming: I see no way he can push it through Congress whatever he negotiates in Copenhagen, but too early to actually assign a grade yet.. so just a INC and a warning
wall street: F
employee free choice: F
stimulus: D
financial reform: again, no way he&#039;s getting it past Congress, so INC and another warning
diplomacy: B-
closing gitmo/stopping torture: D- (is that grade?)
public speaking: A</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and boy what great outcomes:</p>
<p>healthcare: F<br />
global warming: I see no way he can push it through Congress whatever he negotiates in Copenhagen, but too early to actually assign a grade yet.. so just a INC and a warning<br />
wall street: F<br />
employee free choice: F<br />
stimulus: D<br />
financial reform: again, no way he&#8217;s getting it past Congress, so INC and another warning<br />
diplomacy: B-<br />
closing gitmo/stopping torture: D- (is that grade?)<br />
public speaking: A</p>
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		<title>By: eCAHNomics</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/11/cms-excise-tax-on-insurance-will-make-your-insurance-coverage-worse-and-cause-almost-no-reduction-in-nhe/#comment-69277</link>
		<dc:creator>eCAHNomics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 02:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;ll take years for the ones who are not brainwashed by the R of the L to figure out whether it is good or bad for themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;ll take years for the ones who are not brainwashed by the R of the L to figure out whether it is good or bad for themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Beerfart Liberal</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/11/cms-excise-tax-on-insurance-will-make-your-insurance-coverage-worse-and-cause-almost-no-reduction-in-nhe/#comment-69276</link>
		<dc:creator>Beerfart Liberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 02:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we&#039;re gonna hear from the R loons that it&#039;s a &quot;government take over of ___% of the economy&quot; and from the Dems that it&#039;s the best thing to happen in health care since -- ever.  but people are gonna find out soon  enough they&#039;re getting shit from their carriers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we&#8217;re gonna hear from the R loons that it&#8217;s a &#8220;government take over of ___% of the economy&#8221; and from the Dems that it&#8217;s the best thing to happen in health care since &#8212; ever.  but people are gonna find out soon  enough they&#8217;re getting shit from their carriers.</p>
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		<title>By: eCAHNomics</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/11/cms-excise-tax-on-insurance-will-make-your-insurance-coverage-worse-and-cause-almost-no-reduction-in-nhe/#comment-69275</link>
		<dc:creator>eCAHNomics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 02:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the magician&#039;s trick will work. It will be quite awhile before the low info voter figures out it all a POS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the magician&#8217;s trick will work. It will be quite awhile before the low info voter figures out it all a POS.</p>
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