This is kind of painful. Gabriel Winant in Salon was one of the many who jumped too quickly on Wednesday:
Liberals will live without the public option
The Senate compromise offers enough to make progressives forget about what had been a dealbreakerNow that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has managed to produce a renegotiated healthcare deal, everyone has to figure out what to think about it.
There were some trial balloon floated, saying Reid has a deal. Which, of course, he doesn’t.
While Sen. Joe Lieberman, I-Conn., is hedging, liberals across the country are probably e-mailing each other right now, asking, “Where should we be on this?”
Liberals were actually emailing each other going “who would believe this?”
It’s early yet, but it’s looking like major progressive figures are feeling cautiously optimistic about the compromise Reid has crafted.
Congress Daily is reporting that Reid is going to file “simultaneous cloture motions” on a package of bills, none of which he appears to have the votes for. Bart Stupak is saying they’re talking about throwing it in the omnibus bill, and beating members into passing it with “voting against the troops.”
It’s hard to imagine liberals killing this thing — as they threatened to do some months ago with any bill that didn’t contain a public option.
Grijalva and Waters reiterated yesterday that they will vote against the bill that doesn’t have a public option.
That means that if Reid has indeed found a compromise that can get enough centrist and conservative votes he’s probably got something that can pass.
Progressives in the House threatened to kill the bill without a public option. Reid is in the Senate. He doesn’t need their votes to pass a bill.
Yes, we know you know people at the White House, and they told you on the Q.T. that this was solid.
They lied.



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Oh yeah. And that “compromise”? They are already walking back the 55 to 64 Medicare inclusion:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091211/ap_on_bi_ge/us_health_care_overhaul
Big Medicine says Jump, and Harry Grow-a-pair says, How high…
LOL! I can’t believe when anyone believes all the White House’s assurances about their vast control over the legislative process (surely a Rahm-led fantasy). Reporters shouldn’t buy it, PhRMA shouldn’t have bought it, we shouldn’t buy it. It’s like herding cats.
I’m starting to think that the really good vote counters have realized there’s no chance of a “grand compromise” bill that all of a sudden makes 60 people in the Senate and 218 in the House want to vote for it. So Reid’s putting together some piece of junk that can get 60…then they’ll go behind closed doors and put together a brand new piece of mish mash, with some good things and some weak things. And either by some miracle of group dynamics they get enough votes to pass it in normal order, or they do it in reconciliation, and Obama gets to smile at the State of the Union.
but Jane, all “the smart progressives” say it’s a good bill
oh, and we shouldn’t let Hope be the killer of the Change
do I get that set of Pragmateers ears now ?
who the hell are you, and what did you do with mikesong ? :D
pragma-ears?
Pragmiteers roll call, count off now !
♫who’s the leader of the club that spits on you and me♪
prolly shoulda gone with “getting my pragmatists wings”, huh
Jane do you think Dr. Dean could come to visit and talk here at FDL?
What is he so excited about? Would really like to hear him explain.
Lied? Lied?
I’m shocked. Shocked, I tell you.
He was here in August for a Book Salon chat about his book Howard Dean’s Prescription for Real Healthcare Reform.
Doesn’t mean he couldn’t come back, of course . . .
Reports of Public Option’s Demise Greatly Exaggerated –or- What Happens When You Get Your Story from a DNC Press Release
Fantastic title.
*g*
Get HCR to 51+ votes (up or down), or kill it. Needing 60 votes makes it impossible to get anything good out of this, Harry Reid needs to sack up or step down.
Everything else now is kabuki. There can be no reform with a 60 vote threshold.
Jane: You reserved judgment yesterday when way too many were trying to start a stampede. Good call, as usual.
O/T: Good News for Republicans…
Heh, sounds like Joe Wilson was right.
Hamsher:
While you may certainly be correct about this latest salvo in the ongoing health care “reform” follies – that the “public option” is not yet “dead” – I assure you that in truth, there will be no real reform.
The priorities of *all* of the leadership involved in the Congress and the White House are clear. All the figures with the most power want a wealth privatization scheme that serves the interests of the health insurance and pharmaceutical cartels at the expense of the broad public interest.
The best that figures like yourself can hope for is that no legislation will pass until the (hopefully) crippling 2010 mid-term elections leave us with legislative deadlock between the two idiotic parties until 2012. The Progressive Caucus and all the major lobbying/activist groups that continue to pursue the real public interest can at best only accomplish stopping any legislation at all from passing until next year’s elections are done. Any legislation that passes will be a defeat for the public interest, probably hugely so.
I do look forward to your next writing, you’re definitely a breath of fresh air, incidentally.
WHAT. A. CLUSTER—K of gigantic proportions.
That was absolutely terrific. Loved the shot of reanimated Reagan with child on lap.
They may have lied about having a done deal, but they are close, and it is a dreadful bill, even if we don’t know every detail about it. It won’t control costs. It won’t cover everyone. It discriminates against women and the undocumented. The public option has already been gutted whether it survives or not. Millions will be forced to buy insurance that is too expensive for them to actually use. BigPharma gets to continue charging high prices for its drugs, and for longer.
There is next to nothing to like in this bill.
I just can’t decide if that’s offensive or awesome!
Well, I’m getting some perverse pleasure out of watching Reid and the Senate Dems committing political suicide by the death-by-a-thousand-cuts method. Only a Democrat would be so stupid.
Hounded Woolsey’s office again to get some kind of statement confirming her committment to vote against any bill without a robust PO. Still nada.
If the Co-Chair of the CPC won’t take a stand on this, how could we possibly expect the whole caucus to act? Frustrating.
Jane has a fresh cross-post up and ready: “Harry Reid Slips Lifetime Limit Into Senate Bill”
more media i used to (very occasionally) patronize, that i will never have anything to do with again. i will wait for someone here to re-post the glen greenwald snippets i want to see
Progressives, alas, are what they are because they are forward-looking with a good sense of the past. They are usually unable to imagine the absurd. Here’s an alternate history: McCain/Palin win slimly because the banks and Wall Street don’t tank and panic until around January; Congress is overwhelmingly Democratic; Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and Barack Obama have 2012 in their sights and fall all over each other trying to own a Single Payer reform bill (for obvious political reasons); McCain’s only hope of getting anything accomplished is to try to own Single Payer legislation himself. Yeah, I know it’s not easy to imagine an alternate history before the future happens, but I get a sense that Jane is trying to get us to do that from now on.
Its called modeling, and that capability is what distuinguishes humans from, dogs, and probably dolphins and chimps.
Thanks for the link.
Priceless!
How will we know when the public option is really, really, really dead?
When Obama calls it the reason we’re fighting in Afghanistan
Did you intentionally list the four species who smile?
It could be both, but go with “awesome”.
50 + 1.
Kill the bill!