Last night, Harry Reid announced that there would be tentative deal (or deals) on the public option. The deal has not been scored by the CBO and, in fact, the deal may only be a deal on what ideas they will have the CBO score, so that they then can than use that information to make the actual deal. Nor does it sound like the deal included the whole Democratic caucus, so this deal might not even have the 60 votes needed, thereby making it not really a “deal” at all.
What is in this deal that might not be a deal? The answer is that I don’t really know, and it seems like most of the Democratic senators don’t even know yet.
Medicare Buy-In
It sounds like the vague outline of the deal includes an early Medicare buy-in for some subset of people between the age of 55-64. (Whether this is a buy in for Medicare or for Conrad’s fake Medicare is not yet determined.) It at least sounds like this program might not be just a temporary stopgap, and will start in 2011.
That buy-in option would initially be made available to some uninsured people aged 55-64 in 2011, three years before the exchanges open. For the period between 2011 and 2014, when the exchanges do open, the Medicare option will not be subsidized–people will have to pay in without federal premium assistance–and so will likely be quite expensive, the aide noted. However, after the exchanges launch, the Medicare option would be offered in the exchanges, where people could pay into it with their subsidies.
Remember, the exchanges, at first, will only be open to roughly 10% of Americans, so it is only a very small group of 55-64 year olds who would have the option of buying in to Medicare. With this provision, the devil really is in the details. It could be done well, or it could easily devolve into a worthless Medicare buy-in in name only.
OPM national exchange within the exchanges
The deal also includes some form of the probably worthless national OPM-run, exchange-only, non-profit plans to be sold within the state exchanges. How this idea would work, or even if it could work, is a huge question mark. The OPM exchange sounds like it would be a better regulated exchange than the state-based exchange. Why insurance companies would submit themselves to increased regulation when they can get access to the same customers without following those regulations is unclear.
It is possible the incentive for the insurers to take part would be allowing them to sell across state lines. On a mildly positive note, it sounds like this national OPM exchange might replace the terrible “nationwide plans” proposal for selling insurance across state lines that was in the bill. That would at least put a national regulator in place for any national insurance plan.
Possibly, a worthless trigger
(Via Yahoo News)
Greater government involvement would potentially kick in if private insurance companies declined to participate in the nationwide plan, although details weren’t available. One possibility was for the personnel office to set up a government-run plan, either national in scope or on a state-by-state basis.
I really can’t imagine this trigger ever being pulled. The insurance lobby is very excited about the idea of selling across state lines, and many will probably take part. At the very least, a few health insurance companies would step up to offer some really unattractive plans in this OPM exchange to stop the trigger from being pulled. I’ve always maintained that any trigger would be a worthless fig leaf, designed to kill the public option. This proposal perfectly fits that description.
Increased regulations
There is also some vague talk about increased regulation on the insurance companies, including a medical loss ratio of 90%. It is unclear if that would be for all health insurance, only health insurance sold on the new state-based exchange, or only in the OPM national exchange.
Expansion of Cantwell’s basic health program
There are also rumors that Cantwell’s basic health program would be expanded from people between 133-200% to 133-300%. The Cantwell basic health program is not a public option, but a better-designed exchange that uses a captive market to get good prudent purchasing deals. The idea is not bad, but, unfortunately, it has two problems that will really cripple its adoption.
First, it requires states to opt-in to the program. And second, states that take part will only get 85% as much money from the federal government as they would have otherwise gotten for affordability tax credits on the exchange. That seems like an impossible political sell because it could be demagogued as a terrible deal stopping a state from getting its “fair share” of the tax credit money.
At this point, it is impossible to even evaluate this pile of vague ideas that may or may not be part of this “deal.” Some could be very good, some could be terrible, some could be worthless, some could be tiny improvements, etc. Regardless how good, bad, or neutral these ideas are, they are a huge political and policy blow to progressives who have fought for a real public option. It shows that consevadems have the power to hold the Democratic party, the American people, and the United State Senate hostage, all to defend the interests of insurance companies.
Without details, I personally will not get too excited or too angry (although I’m very disappointed about how an extremely popular cost-saving idea can be killed because the Senate allows a tiny handful of Democratic senators throw a temper tantrum). Fancy names like “Medicare buy-in” sound good, but it could easily be worthless subterfuge, just like the trigger. I recommend everyone stay very skeptical and hold judgment for a day or two until we actually know what we are dealing with.



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It sure is taking them a long time to get to the perfect plan for insurance corps.
oh gawd, do i HAVE to read this?
Will someone just tell me when to show up in DC and shut it down?
I have a gas mask and a bus. I’ll buy the baloney sandwiches if you pay for gas… m kay?
We still have the House progressives to hang on to. Wonder if they will cave and vote for this monstrocity.
Guess we’ll see soon enough. Funny I haven’t seen any big press conferences today from the House dems coming out against this.
Let’s see if we have a deal, but why is it that some folks refuse to accept victory and look for defects instead of the big picture. This compromise looks like it has most of the important elements that we have been fighting for.
It appears to have 3 important elements (1) legislation to stop bad practices by health insurance companies (e.g., denial of policies on the basis of pre-existing conditions, recission, etc.), (2) allowing people 55 and older to buy into medicare, a gigantic step forward, and (3) allowing the government to create a pool to bargain for health insurance for those in the so-called exchange. These are substantive and important changes that will provide real health insurance for most Americans.
It appears that a “public option” (government run insurance program) will not be available for all, but the social security buy-in along with a meaningful pool alternative seem like they could get the job done — offering the great majority of citizens an alternative that will provide them with good quality, reasonably priced health insurance.
We are not going to get a perfect program, but this seems, not only acceptable, but far better than what we have today and better than most of the proposals — including the house bill — that have been floated.
To get it passed, we need to stand together and give it our support.
I’m looking for details on how existing state programs are going to be affected by this. For instance, my three kids (6 and younger) all participate in Vermont’s Dr. Dynasaur program (available to just about all children in VT). My wife and I are enrolled in VT’s Catamount Healthcare. If both of those programs are impacted negatively, I’ll be forced into buying insurance that would presently cost a minimum of $10,000 a year. While my business has grown substantially since I started it in 2007, being forced to buy insurance at that cost could potentially kill my business and lead me to work for someone else. Talk about a potential small business killer.
Good Morning Jon Walker
thank you. an incredibly reasoned take
Look until we see the bill no one knows what what it contains. However, it is clear that patience on the left is wearing thin even Kos seems to have had it – go see:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/12/9/812139/-Idiocy
Now when the Big O’s White House and Senate Dems loose Kos they are in deep shit.
This is the comment I added to the petition. I know it’s horrible. It’s how I feel.
Do you have a link to the actual plan? I believe no drama obama promised transparency. What is the bill but a bunch of vague proposals being rumored?
I told Harkin’s aide this AM that he’s selling us out.
And that Teddy would have never compromised like this.
President Obama is making this easy for us, we should be thanking him.
Within less than a year, he has shown us not to expect any accountability, justice, reckoning, etc., for whatever the last 8 years were. Am I being too rash? I’ve seen nothing to indicate it.
If he’s not the solution he’s part of the problem.
I say again,
“do these teabags make my butt look fat?”
We have a better chance of joining/taking over that looney bin and provoking change then we ever will with these bought and paid for democratic crooks.
Crooks.
Let’s be clear that Medicare buy-in is a “public option.” It is “public” in the sense that it would be run by Social Security. It is an “option” in the sense that it is paid for via premiums rather than taxes, and those premiums could be taken elsewhere.
There are three problems:
Other than that, it’s a pretty good idea, since people know what Medicare is.
Even with an HMO, the premiums and copayments are prohibitively expensive for even the well paid, blue collar worker or small business person. Mandates without regulation will bankrupt Medicare. It is not reform unless SOMEBODY makes less money. Naomi Klein’s “disaster capitalists” will be attacking Medicare as unsustainable and demanding to roll back other safety net services in the name of austerity by 2016. Saving Medicare and insuring the long term viability of this reform IS THE GOOD. Universal access to Health Care is the good. The “perfect” is what pleases the corporations. This legislation has other critical elements but let me quote the president, “Do not let the perfect be the enemy of the good.” If we’re going to run these risks, let’s run them for something worth while.
I repeat, I am ready to shut this hummer down. I have seen enough suffering. Apparently they haven’t. I want to show them what I have seen. American medical care is class genocide. Those that are doing without, suffer silently. I say let’s give them a voice that even the Corporate Media cannot silence.
Our democrat leaders are the enemy it appears. They care only for themselves and their profits. Since we are at war, they had best understand the consequences. They have voted to kill us, the country, and the world.
Nice folks we voted for eh? Doesn’t seem like there is any difference between them and the obstructor’s?
Guess they don’t have any more friends and will keep the ones they have. Nice that at this critical time in our history that they sell us out, isn’t it?
There is no plan to read at the moment. It’s being written and sent to CBO for scoring. Instead of condemning the thing before it’s clear, why don’t you wait? As to whether Kennedy would or would not have gone with this, I have no doubt that he would have been willing to make a lot of political compromises to come up with a bill–after all, he was a realist.
wah wah wah
Probably for the same reason most people will pass on a shit sandwich, even while missing the big picture that it is a sandwich.
I still want to know — at what point do we hear “kill the bill” from Jane?
*g*
What are you going to do? Convince the terminally ill to become suicide bombers? I somehow doubt such an action would induce your desired effect.
For those who buy-in to Medicare, the administrative cost would be the same as for all other Medicare recipeints. As to those who buy the plan that is negotiated through the exchange (the “non-profit” administered by a for profit insurance company), the company administering the plan would have to drastically cut its administrative costs to obtain the contract.
My point is that the plan as I understand it seems to obtain the goals that were sought be a public option, but in a practical and politically feasible way. I want to see the details, but it sounds like something that should be supported.
Thanks for the link. It says a lot when even Markos is bailing on this healthcare fiasco.
sorry bro, it’s just funny to hear all whine all the time
You’re absolutely right that there is no set in stone deal yet. Keep up the pressure!
Former DNC Chair Howard Dean strongly endorsed on Wednesday the Senate’s newest incarnation of health care legislation, declaring that it met the most fundamental definitions of reform.
In an interview with the Huffington Post, Dean acknowledged that he had problems with some of the emerging proposals in the Senate. But legislation, he argued, is neither a seamless process nor a perfect product. And there was much to hail about the compromise that had developed.
The non-profit plan is worthless. For example, a plurality of this country currently gets non-profit health care. The health care members of Congress get is like this. It’s no cheaper than others, and people are getting just as screwed.
It doesn’t matter to “some”. If you got single payer you’d find a reason to bitch about that too.
How would they “cherry-pick” except by offering a better deal – both in terms of cost and service- than Medicare? If they do thi9s then this is precisely what the public option was supposed to do…drive down costs and improve service.
The one danger I see in this is that the premiums for the 55-65 entrants have to be carefully balanced so as to not exacerbate the Medicare deficit, nor, at the same time use the entrants to overly subsidize the system (although clearly those who use it at age 55 would clearly benefit in Medicares longterm survival).
I think that it will be hard to keep other demographics out of Medicare down the road, particularly if the private insurers don’t work hard to restrain profits and reduce costs. This is a wedge…it needs to be hammered on.
I do not understand how people can support this ‘deal’ when we haven’t any explanation of its contours. Who gets to buy in to Medicare? No one knows. How does the new OPM exchange-with-an-exchange work? No one knows. What money is saved, and what money is available for subsidies? No one knows. Does the Medicare buy-in go away after the exchange is up and running? No one knows.
Until we actually see a bill that smart people on our side can analyze and explain in detail, I withhold judgment. Sure, it’s great for Senators that they have a ‘deal’ — and I’m sure Jay Rockefeller is happy he’s smiling. But I won’t smile until people I trust read this ‘deal’ and tell me it makes sense.
And that can’t happen yet, so stop rooting for this ‘deal’ everyone.
Yes. It is a wedge and once some people get “medicare” the flood gates will open IMO
So……….
Do YOU think we’d be even having this conversation if rethuglicans McCain/Palin were now running OUR country?
Oldtree, I’m 75 and NEVER thought we’d be discussing Healthcare Reform in my lifetime!
Give Obama a chance for cryin’ out loud!
Give him HELL but know we’re so much better off than in a Rethuglican dictatorship!
How can you oppose it when we haven’t any explanation of its contours?
No way. At this rate, someone my age will get medicare in 120 years. That’s not reform.
Yeah, because we, you know, care about this stuff.
Rather than remaining coolly ironic and staying on the sidelines where we can point fingers, laugh, and feel superior, some of us actually, really CARE about the 40,000 Americans who die every year due to not being insured or being underinsured.
Color us ridiculous for giving a sh*t and getting worked up when our politicians betray us again, and again, and again.
When you know what the bill is.
The one org I thought would never get into the social network thing was the War Resisters League. Got an email today that they added me as a friend on FB. What a hoot.
Since when did the word “public” mean a few people between the ages of 55-65?
I just think that when people see that others are getting a better deal, they will want it, too. Maybe not. I really can’t judge since no one has seen the bill. I certainly don’t think this bill is anywhere near what we need nor is it what I wanted.
I saw that!
Huh? You a member of WRL?
You want both things both ways. You on one hand say this is a “victory” and “should be supported,” but to criticisms you say “Instead of condemning the thing before it’s clear, why don’t you wait?” So for you to be logically consistent, instead of praising the thing before it’s clear, why don’t you wait?
The more I think about this, the more I think that Chomsky may be right. Maybe we should try to find common ground with the teabaggers.
Even Grover Norquist may have had a point with his “drown government in a bathtub” remark. While I disagree with the core conservative assertion that all government is corrupt and inefficient, I’m starting to believe that THIS government is irredeemably corrupt. Perhaps we SHOULD start starving it of tax dollars, until we can replace it with something better. The benefit of this strategy is that you can bet your bottom dollar that we could get conservatives on board with defunding major (corrupt) government agencies. Call it an alliance of expedience, probably to be broken at the first mention of Roe v. Wade.
If only all the “little people” wouldn’t suffer so much while we were going down that road…
I don’t know you but I think I love you…)
Of course, really not knowing doesn’t stop the poster or many here from savaging it. Wisdom often suggests that holding one’s fire until you know what is going on is the best policy.
Heh. Every time I get pissed off and bitter and vow to never look at political news again, they drag… me… back… in…
No, FB sends updates on YOUR activity!
Unless we manifest some fire-breathing /voting progressives… the libertarians are going to tear the US to shreds.
How about quotations, lest someone decides to accuse you of….
bite me. . .and you can quote me
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Well, yes. But we thought we did that when we basically wiped the congressional slate clean in 2006 and again in 2008, and what did that get us? We thought we did that when we voted in Obama, and what did that get us? We thought we made a difference when we got a good quarter of the House to “make a stand” on the public option, and what did that get us?
I’m deeply, deeply pissed off about this, but more than anything I’m feeling powerless to make a difference. Every time we find someone and raise them up with promises to Really Make a Change This Time, Honest — they turn around and betray us at the first hint of lobbyist dollars.
How do we make fundamental, structural changes to the way government is run, from within the structure of a corrupt system? That’s a real question; I’m open to any realistic suggestions…
Oh, OK. I see where you’re getting that.
rotsa ruck
I just came across this. The TSA posted, by mistake, its security manual online.
Here’s one link but it is easy to find via the google.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/massive-tsa-security-breach-agency-secrets/story?id=9280503
In the past it has been done by accepting incremental change and building on it.
Whew, I didn’t want you to bail. . .when they ban me I won’t have any way to reach you!
Been just a lurker since the last redesign here (though regularly here since the fitzmas days).
This is the best site on the ‘net for progressive dialog, at least when it comes to the major issues like healthcare reform – THANKS JANE AND PUPS!
When obama needed our votes, he would constantly link a rational healthcare policy with economic issues – it was the key to real economic recovery.
Now he is all blah blah blah and it appears that he is actually enabling those that are selling us out on real reform.
As Thom Hartmann says………..”infiltrate the party”………..bring along friends…….and change it from within!
it would be a no brainer to give Obama a chance were it not for having facts at hand that tell us something else!
http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/13/the-hamilton-project-same-corporatist-whine-in-new-dlc-vessels/
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/17981
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/17981
If that logic was true, why hasn’t it happened already? Folks 65+ are getting a better deal. Everyone in America does not have Medicare.
Blue Texan’s regularly scheduled post is already in progress: “WaPost Publishes Palin OpEd on Climate Science, Michele Bachmann Piece on Quantum Mechanics to Follow”
2 page pdf? *g*
yea so let’s have a big march, that’ll do it.
It’s the only way to change any party. The fundies did quite the jay oh bee on the Rethug party that way.
Huge numbers of people who are on Medicare think it’s not a gov. run program, – so….?
As for the merits of the purported proposal, it’s actually irrelevant.
I will say *(yet again) that the kabuki of the “Gang of 10″ has served its actual purpose in giving Reid cover for morphing any possible outcome into the corporate-mandated shit sandwich that’s been in the pipeline all along.
Since so a few continue to proclaim, “Give him a chance” What have we really seen change?
* Advancing policy of “indefinite preventive detention” – more accurately called “permanent incarceration”, even when no proof of crime exists.
* Betraying workers by ignoring campaign pledges to renegotiate the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) and pass labor reform (the Employee Free Choice Act).
*Choosing Monsanto hacks Michael Taylor & Dennis Wolff to be in charge of food safety.
* Continuing Bush’s illegal spying programs.
* Continuing torture policies.
* Despite campaign promises to the contrary, beginning to signal an intent to roll back and partially privatize Social Security and Medicare benefits.
* Escalating wars in South Asia and continuation of war crimes, crimes against humanity (depleted uranium weapons, wholesale slaughter of innocent civilians)
* Hiding behind rhetoric of withdrawl while actually maintaining and increasing war crimes in Iraq.
* Increasing funding of the military-industrial complex.
* Installing war criminal Lt. General Stanley A McChrystal, George Bush’s Commanding General, Joint Special Operations Command, as Commander of U.S. Forces, stepping up wars in South Asia.
* Invoking the “state secrets” and refusing to release information or respond to lawsuits emerging from Bush era policies.
* Justifying treason, war crimes, and crimes against humanity with a faux and manufactured “”global war on terror”.
* Maintaining secret prisons.
* Promoting public funds for the auto industry that will be used to cut U jobs, wages and benefits while subsidizing GM’s continuing shifting of jobs overseas.
*Promoting the lie of a “jobless recovery”, that somehow we have “put out the fire” even though the assault against middle class and working American jobs is increasing.
* Refusing to hold anyone in previous administration accountable for crimes, treason, war crimes, and crimes against humanity.
* Reviving military commissions and supporting indefinite detentions without due process.
* Spending trillions of federal dollars on taxpayer handouts to benefit Wall Street firms and not “main street” – directly contradicting his campaign rhetoric.
* Suppressing of U.S. torture practices.
* Sustaining Bush’s abrogation of habeas corpus rights.
* Taking the only option that even he admits provides universal coverage, single payer, out of the debate.
* Providing cover for bluedogs and repugs, watering down healthcare reform to the point where it approaches little more than public give-aways to insurance companies and providers instead of promoting universal access and cost controls.
Americans tend to believe what they are told – you can have Medicare at 65. I don’t think most people ever questioned that – it was for retired people. The word is out now that it is possible. The anger is huge and I don’t this genie can be put back in the bottle. As I said, I’m not arguing for this bill – I don’t know what it says. I believe, however, that the attitude in the country has changed. Maybe just hoping.
Linda:
You wrote:
Magnificent! The first haiku I’ve seen of Firedoglake!
That pretty much states my feeling on the matter.
I guess you don’t take to facts, lest they ruffle your pretty feathers.
That’s not even haiku-like.
If they can’t simply refuse people with a history of poor health, they can put their sign-up office on the third floor of a building that lacks an elevator. They have lots of other equally evil marketing tricks to discourage the less healthy and encourage the more healthy.
The fact every single elected Dem hasn’t been saying it over and over again all year long (especially on television).. is all one really needs to know about their intentions /beliefs.
Would you please get a life ! And what does your “so”
mean at #64?
asserted without evidence.
A prediction:
“Progressive” healthcare “reform” legislation is signed into law by Obama. In a speech afterwards, Obama notes all the many “progressive” changes that will now be forthcoming for all Americans as a result of this “landmark” healthcare measure.
Then six months to a year later Rachael Maddow will devote show after show after show to exposing the enormous gap between what the law says it will do and what the law actually does instead.
The farce here may well be just beginning. Now we are only wrangling over the meaning of words. Wait until the insurance industry gets around to manipulating what those words mean down on the ground.
On the side:
What is the relationship between Obama and the insurance industry?
From a Scott Helman article at the Boston Globe 9/23/07:
When Barack Obama and fellow state lawmakers in Illinois tried to expand healthcare coverage in 2003 with the “Health Care Justice Act,” they drew fierce opposition from the insurance industry, which saw it as a back-handed attempt to impose a government-run system.
Over the next 15 months, insurers and their lobbyists found a sympathetic ear in Obama, who amended the bill more to their liking partly because of concerns they raised with him and his aides, according to lobbyists, Senate staff, and Obama’s remarks on the Senate floor.
The wrangling over the healthcare measure, which narrowly passed and became law in 2004, illustrates how Obama, during his eight years in the Illinois Senate, was able to shepherd major legislation by negotiating competing interests in Springfield, the state capital. But it also shows how Obama’s own experience in lawmaking involved dealings with the kinds of lobbyists and special interests he now demonizes on the campaign trail.
george:
If you go to the opensecrets.org web site and note Obama’s top corporate doners, the insurance industry is not even on the top twenty list. But the healthcare professional folks contributed over $12,000,000 [going back only to 2006].
A mixed bag, perhaps. But if you puruse all the other doners [$45,000,000 from law firms, $17,000,000 from "misc business", $21,000,000 from the finance industry, $12,000,000 from the "business services" sector, $11,000,000 from the real estate industry] there is absolutely no doubt that this president is a Wall Street crony through and through and through.
I am always hopeful that a viable third party will emerge and I think the more people get fed up with the Democratic and Republican parties, the more likely it becomes. There is populism throughout the political spectrum and there can be much agreement found. I see something like abortion as being something where there would be disagreements within the third party, but it wouldn’t be a deal killer. The more people get fed up and become independents, the more of an opportunity there is to get corporatism out of Congress and the White House.
It’s why I NEVER wanted the Clintons Hillary/Bill to win the candicy!
Big Dawg betrayed US with WTO, NAFTA, CAFTA, allowing media to consolidate, allowing good regulation destroyed………….as in
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass%E2%80%93Steagall_Act
I was doubtful of Obama as well, but he’s done pretty well so far…….
I’m unhappy with some of his choices, but maybe he’s just………….. maybe………brillant in the way he’s proceeding…………
who put you at the center of the universe ‘Raven’?
Because it was written in crayon it’s longer.
I really think it’s just hoping. A natural reaction, sure, but this compromise is not a substitute for a public option available to all ages.
at 64: trying to suggest that people are not likely to draw useful lessons from an expanded Medicare, as they don’t seem presently to be aware that it is a gov. sponsored service.
take your time, I guess.
707!!
thanks wigwam!
some other examples of how to encourage adverse selection: offer gym membership benefit (not likely to appeal to the very sick), reject frequent or expensive claims (not likely to be a problem for healthy people). adverse selection is what make strong risk adjustment regulation and enforcement required for competition in multipayer system to work without race to the bottom (competition on cost via denying healthcare).
An easy fix:
Champagne brunch with friends
For your inauguration
Now I just hate you
CTil – and maybe santa will bring healthcare for all this year. If not, there is always next Christmas too…
Getting together with world powers to help promote peace
Working on restructuring banking reform
Getting Healthcare Reform on the table………….
I do agree with CTil, however, could not support clinton during primaries. Just the thought of having a bush/clinton/bush/clinton junta rule this country for atleast 24 years was just too much to even think about.
But I don’t understand why, when the direction of this administration is now clear and obama’s window of opportunity has passed, some want to still proclaim that he is playing 13-D chess.
I am so tired of the “11 dimensional chess” argument in favor of Obama. It’s like if you catch your spouse cheating on you, again and again, and you rationalize it that “well, they’re really smart, so this is all probably just an incredibly complex way of them showing that they love me.”
News flash: smart people can be rat bastards, too. Betrayal is not “brilliant.” It’s just betrayal.
Why are you constantly looking for a fight? I’m a 76 year old female and I have my own universe, thank you very much.
Census Bureau Reports Collapse In State Tax Revenue, Liquor Stores Only Bright Spot.
We’ll soon be turning into an inebriated folk, after the post Soviet model.
Obama’s Corporate palls will be buying State Parks, resources, privatising schools and otherwise drowning the government(s) in Nordquists bathtub.
All to great applause from Raven, SDragon, Twain and the Obama choir.
* “Surge” in Afghanistan, torture accountability off the table
* “Banking reform” mostly means trillions in bailouts and re-hiring the same people who broke the system to begin with.
* Making sure that healthcare “reform” is just a kabuki show for a bill that is basically an enormous handout to the pharmaceutical and insurance industries.
http://theragblog.blogspot.com/2009/11/what-obama-has-done-right-list-of-90.html
There’s a few negatives for you also
world piece by giving mcchrystal his 40+ thousand troups? yeah right.
Banking reform – LOL – like we are going to do that with holdovers from dur chimpfurher’s reign of terror?
Healthcare on table – not really, he just wants any bill that lets him proclaim victory but enriches insurance companies.
Spot on – “X-dimemsional chess”, at this point, is just an argument put forth by fools.
Look back who’s picking fights. I did not address you anywhere until you did.
Lookin for a fight? He (or she)would faint.
You know, I started having a really queasy feeling about Obama when he flip-flopped on FISA, followed almost immediately by the Democratic Primary being basically sponsored by AT&T.
I should have listened to my gut back then. But then again, what other real option did I have? Hillary, whose hubby gave us NAFTA and the supremacy of the WTO? McCain? No real choice but to hold my nose, squelch my misgivings and vote Obama.
Sadly, my gut instinct was right.
He SD you’re Obama is your fault swabby!
Yeah, let’s blame SD. “G”
went to your link, and whoa!!!
at no 1:
# Ordered all federal agencies to undertake a study and make recommendations for ways to cut spending;
There goes your SocSec, Medicare, Public Education….
Just stop CTlil, really, STOP!
You’re incredibly easy to please with rhetoric; evidently.
I wrote in Feingold/Sanders for the President and VP, respectively. Vote of no confidence in the electoral process.
YEP
McCain/Palin would have been better……
Maybe next time, Only, Palin/McCain
YEP!
Next time Palin/ McCain!
Yep,
you’re a charlatan, after all.
Last resort of scoundrels – reduce another persons legitimate concerns to the ridiculous and pretend there is no other option.
Way to go – you have learned well from beck, limpballs, and faux news.
Curious. Do you think people are more apt to compel significant change in the wake of crisis, or in the coddles of stability?
I say raise hell but keep your guns in the closet!
and believe in hope and your fellow man
and, most of all ………..Goodness!!
There is no “Goodness!!” at the end of Obama’s goal, Just a miserable grey world run by Corporate CEOs, for Corporate CEOs.
There you go again!
Your name should be…..fearmonger
At this late in the process, with only two or three steps LEFT in the process, with all we know about who has argued for what, and WHICH WAY the negotiations gave GONE to date, I think it’s safe to assume a that what went to the CBO is shit.
I mean, if it looks like it was shit before, if it smells like shit, and it tastes like shit, it’s probably shit.
And the Senate and this Gang of 10 are The Executive Chefs SERVING us that shit.
That’s how Teddy, and any of us, can feel fairly certain, it’s shit.
It’s likely a giveaway with little reform, except for window dressing that paid shills like nodrama are trying to sell as a top shelf reform entree, only it’s shit.
Shit. Fuckity Fuck.
Ya know? You, me, we, all progs/libs been thru this now for a year or more!!!
You think we can’t see, smell and taste shit by now?
If YOU can’t, then your shit detector needs to be recalibrated or repaired.
And yer usually pretty good at callin shit for what it is, in here . . . and that’s no shit, hoss.
You didn’t answer my question.
There’s an unknown element you are ignoring, as is Chomsky, whom I love dearly for decades.
You lie with dogs, you get fleas.
I see NO reason for the will of 70% of the people who want a robust public option to be controverted in an alliance with a less than 23% minority fringe element who have such INSANE beliefs on so many issues.
They will ride out coattails to make themselves appear more worthy and respectable, when all they deserve is to be labeled and exposed for what they are. Fucking loons.
Thank you. And making any alliances with the teabaggers is just pure insane, they need to stay marginalized for what they truly are, regardless of any commonality with ANY given issue.
Yeah, we’ve all read or seen Dean’s comments in the past 48 hours, no need to attribute that shit.
I’m incredibly disappointed in him for this betrayal of all his work and promises.
It sure as shit looks like that, don’t it . . .
I thought I did!
I think we are in a crisis
and
I believe we should speak out and I believe we ARE effecting change!
I believe we don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater!
I say raise hell but keep your guns in the closet!
and believe in HOPE and your fellow man
and, most of all ………..
!
If that’s not good enough, I’m sorry for US!
great great great list
thanks
Do you think people are more apt to compel significant change in the wake of crisis, or in the coddles of stability?
Wow, that’s a mighty fine list of cliches you’ve got there!!
Any substance????
Why? Because they’re a threat to progressives, or because they’re a threat to the establishment? You don’t deprecate your plow horse because it follows the carrot or the scent of a mare, do you?
……………If the glove fits……………..