8:05 – The motion passes 60-39 on a party line vote.
7:54 – We are having a vote from their desks.
7:44 – Harry Reid is closing out the debate. The vote should take place in about 10 min. Reid said they are voting at this hour at the request of Blanche Lincoln who wanted time to read the bill. He ask Republicans to join him on the right side of history. Reid is heavily focusing on the fact that this is a vote to begin debate not a vote for a bill.
7:30 – McConnell is closing out debate for the Republican side. He is going through everything he thinks is wrong with the bill. Raising taxes, slashing Medicare.
7:15 – Baucus is delivering one of the closing statements in support of reform. He was followed by Dodd. Both of them wrote their individual committees’ bills.
7:00 – Enzi interestingly seems opposes to basically every single piece of the bill. This is in spite of the fact that Enzi helped write a large part of it. I think this finally blows away the 80% agreement myth.
6:30 – Grassley and Enzi are doing the wrap up for the Republican party. Grassley is making the interesting argument that doing this would be worth than doing nothing at all. It is rare to hear a defense of the status quo in health care.
6:00 – It is the Democrats time again.
5:50 – Rationing! Rationing! Rationing! The Republican message of the hour.
5:00 – Republican hour again. They are pushing the issue that the taxes start years before the bulk of the reforms.
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4:30 – Democrats are focusing on the lack of competition in the current health insurance marketplace.
4:00 – The Democrats have the floor back and Schumer is confident they will pass this bill.
Until the actual vote happens it looks unlikely any more real news will be made on the Senate floor. I don’t see Republicans Snowe or Collins on the schedule to speak. They are the only Republicans that might consider voting for a bill if it was strongly watered down.
ConservaDem Ben Nelson, Evan Bayh, and Joe Lieberman are also not on the schedule to speak today either.
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3:00 – Time for another Republican hour of complaining about the bill. The subject of this hour will be the expansion of Medicaid.
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With Lincoln declaring that she would vote for a motion to proceed, the Democrats have now gotten commitments from all 60 members of the caucus to allow the bill to be debated on the floor. They will have the votes for the motion to proceed tonight at 8pm.
2:20 – Lincoln is the last remaining possible Democratic holdout and is speaking now. She will fight hard to make sure the bill ends up more like the Senate Finance Committee bill. There are not enough insurance options for most people. Most markets are highly concentrated. She attacks the fact that outside groups have been running so many ads in her state about her vote. She does not support the creation of a robust government administered plan. She claims to be afraid of future bailouts of the public option. (Interesting the rhetoric has quickly gone from destroying the entire private market to never being able to compete and needing bailouts. Somehow with many opponents holding both claims at once.) She will vote to proceed to debate. She wants to make it clear that she is opposed to the public option and will not vote for final cloture on the current bill as it is written. She will filibuster any bill with a government run public option.
2:00 – Its the Democrats hour now. Franken speaks in strong support of the bill. Franken points out that Minn. has on average medical loss ratio of 91%.
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To read more about the far reaching implications the Stupak anti-choice amendment. I recommend this here and here.
1:30 – Hatch, Brownback, and Johanns are running the all anti-abortion, pro-Stupak amendment hour. Expect this ridicules issue of the “federal funding of abortion,” to be one of the big republican attacks in the coming weeks.
1:05 – Hatch and other Republicans wants the Stupak amendment.
Politico has a rough line up for which Democrats and which Republicans are expected to speak today.
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12:55 – Landrieu thinks something are wrong with the bill. First she thinks the tax credits for small businesses are too small and need to be expand. She wants more tax equity for those who are self-insured. She is rightly worried about the possibility of premiums going up between now and 2014. She is against the current public option. She wants a trigger, like the one promoted by Snowe. She concludes by defending the addition of Medicaid money for states that suffered from national disasters in the past few years. She is promote of it.
12:50 – Landrieu begins by praising Wyden and his efforts to create the Wyden-Bennett plan that she co-sponsored. She says she will vote to let the debate move forward, but her vote is not a vote for the underlining bill. It is only a “vote to move forward.” She said it is clear that doing nothing is no longer an option. Landrieu plans to “stay focused like a laser” on bringing down cost for small businesses. Landrieu is pro excise tax on employer provided health insurance.
12:35 – Cantwell makes a strong case for her basic health plan and says she hopes to work to expand it. It is not a public option but it is basically how the health exchange should have been designed to begin with. The state creates the design of a good health insurance plan (co-pays, benefits, deductibles, etc). Insurance companies bid to offer this insurance plan to all the people in the basic health plan program. The state approves several of the lowest bids and individuals can choose from any of these approved insurance providers. Read more about the “basic health plans” here.
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It is important to remember that this is not the debate about the Senate health care bill, the “Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.” This is a debate about whether to allow the bill to come to the floor where it can be debated and amended. The Republicans are threatening to use the Senate’s unlimited debate clause to prevent the bill from coming to the floor where it then can be debated. They are threatening to never stop debating (this is what a filibuster technically is) the vote on the motion to proceed. This is how the Republicans plan to use their right of unlimited debate to actually stop any debate on health care reform. When trying to explain how the Senate has become a broken, undemocratic, unconstitutional perversion of its original self, I recommend using this as an example.
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The debate on whether to allow a debate on the Senate health care bill is talking place right now on C-SPAN 2. The cloture vote is expected at 8 pm. For the most part this will be a serious of senators from both sides giving speeches based their sides talking points.
The Republicans are calling the bill terrible using buzzwords like “tax increase,” “Medicare cuts,” “rationing,” “new entitlement spending,” “government takeover,” etc..
The Democrats are saying how great the bill is. They are using the talking points of “deficit reducing,” “cost containment,” consumer protects,” “expanding coverage,” “banning deny based on pre-existing conditions,” etc…
Most of the speeches are not going to be newsworthy. There are a handful of conservative Democrats and maybe two Republicans who might use this time to explain what amendments they must see adopted to gain their final vote on the bill. It is also possible, but very unlikely, that a few of the most progressives members of the Senate will draw a line in the sand about what changes they will not accept. If any of those senators make news with their speech I will bring it to you here.



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i just put a comment.
maybe not. just said Biden would give a stemwinder if he was still there.
can we have a shot every time a Dem says “This bill isn’t perfect but….”
Whitehouse!
Whitehouse is so wonderful. More Whitehouses!
“concern about costs…. bullshit, bullshit, bullshit”
“public option … yes! yes! yes!!!!”
some knucklehead is gonna get up and say “The American people are against teh public option”
>sigh<
My daughter read all the Harry Potter novels too. i waited for the movies.
Hell, I read ‘em meself. Great escapism. Fun reads
I do get weary of the apparently required nicey-nice language (“My republican friends”).
Maybe Whitehouse could be the guy to at least alter that somewhat:
“My republican friends, who were quite sadly born without hearts or consciences, have resultant entered this august body as unrepentant asssholes. Now it may not be the fault of our good friends, but let’s face it – they’re whores for whoever pays them the most, and will oppose any Democratic-sponsored bill just because it is in fact sponsored by the Democratic party, and may the public be damned.”
“Therefore, I will continue to refer to republicans as my friends, but I will henceforth qualify that somewhat by including the word ‘asshole’”.
“Thank you, my asshole republican friends.”
what’s wrong with maximizing profits, right? Insurance industry profits aren’t that high, right? they owe it to the shareholders after all. liberals are so naive. right?
LOL. I heard that and thought “What? I don’t have any republican friends. I know some republicans. friends? Nope.”
there. “colleagues” that’s better than “friends.”
But alot of these guys are friends so………….
an asshole up next.
Perfect!
lol, love it!
oops. an asshole was scheduled. sorry
I have some Rethug friends but they’re not the sharpest tools in the shed.
Charts!!!! Yay!!!!!!
Landrieu is gettin’ her nerve up. Mebbe she and Vitter were inspecting diapers.
there’s this one guy I know who’s pretty smart otherwise but when it turns to policy and politics he says such stupid shit I gotta believe he’s fucking with me. can’t believe he’s really a republican.
LOL
Aw, the Rethugs had lots of charts already.
…Rethug friends but they’re not the sharpest tools in the shed.
kind of a definitional requirement, isn’t it?
well tax the shit out of the bastards, lady!
The Congressional signmakers have been busy this week.
heh.
I bet that if she took those to Walgreens, she could get ‘em reduced to wallet-sized.
Landrieu expected up next.
could be interesting….
make refrigerator magnets out of them. stick ‘em on the phonebooks so everybody gets one.
Senate bill lacks the COBRA extension; Sec 113 of House measure.
COBRA extension would allow those unemployed on COBRA or state COBRA extensions to continue with their plans until the exchanges are established.
Without that millions of unemployed will lose their health care because anyone with a significant pre-existing condition — and that includes being on almost any maintenance drug for asthma, diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol — cant buy insurance at any price.
Please spread the word to lobby for this in the conference and Senate amendments.
Landrieu will vote to debate health care legislation according to several sources.
That 100 million dollars helps
Sessions, Shellface, Corkhead and a bunch of the other southern Senators still have their accents after centuries in DC but Landrieu doesn’t. Interesting.
Bi-partisanship!!! Boola Boola!!!!
Yeah I’d like a large subsidy for all houseeholds with large poodles whose names begin with L and K, and whose mothers run political blogs. I will certainly thank profusely anyone who helps me get that.
Because it’s what the country needs, after all.
Harry Reid Takes Unprecedented Steps for Votes of Lincoln and Landrieu
Fred Flintstone was having a fit last night about that. “That’s $100 of YOUR money.” Didn’t say anything about te $$ that went to Eric Prinz. I don’t think.
Landrieu will vote to end debate, but serves notice that she’s a probable no vote on the merits.
Now she’s explaining all the reasons why she’s wrong.
Sure loosens the lips.
“…but that is not to say I will vote for this bill…”
She’s boring the piss outta me.
“I got a bribe. i yield back the balance of my time.”
Yeah, didn’t take long for me to zone out.
Landrieu does not want a vote for cloture to be construed as how she will vote for a final bill. Because lord knows, nobody deserves to know. A lady likes to keep her options open.
Why is this song running through my head?
GUENEVERE
(spoken)
Sir Lionel!
(sung)
Do you recall the other night that I distinctly said you might
Serve as my escort at the next town fair?
Well, I’m afraid there’s someone who I must invite in place of you
Someone who plainly is beyond compare
That Frenchman’s power is more tremendous than I have e’er seen anywhere
And when a man is that tremendous
He, by right, should take me to the fair
I’m tweeting that.
she seems to be saying that, yes – she’ll vote to end debate, and at the same time imploring that debate continue.
mandatory IQ tests for Senators might be a good idea….
This is one of those truly serendipitous typos. If only “serious” were the collective for Senators…
I’m rusty on the procedure here. Where are the Republicans? Will we have to listen to 4 in a row later?
gawd she is so BORING! how does she get elected?
Well, I’ll get a half hour of Rethugs then gotta go string Ethernet cable. At lease I can listen to the Gators on da radio at work.
hahah, I knew she’d bring up the trigger, oh.. I mean, the “community choice option”!
Unlike the House, each side gets an hour. Rinse, repeat.
I know my time is up, but I am going to keep boring the sh&t out of you. Me Me Me Me Me Me Me.
now she “needs” to take on some republican bloggers.
Oh, please don’t try to do that, Mary – you’re not cut out for it.
“When trying to explain how the Senate has become a broken, undemocratic, unconstitutional perversion of its original self, I recommend using this as an example.”
Actually most people would have used the unprecedented filibuster of judicial nominees by the Democrats as an example. But then for that to occur on a left-wing blog would require principle, and this site doesn’t have any.
Let the debate over whether this is a debate begin. For some of us though it is like debating whether the Democrats or the Republicans are more committed to ending the debate about what this really revolves around instead: the relationship between campaign contributions and healthcare industry profits.
The Gators???!!!! just listen until it’s 67-0 – the next 3 quarters shouldn’t matter much. somebody at work was a selling tkts for face value. screw that.
Oh lord – “my $100M bribe wasn’t *near* enough – I’m gonna need $300M. Thank you.”
Reminds me of a Steven Wright joke – “My grandmother gave me ten dollars and said ‘don’t tell your mother’. I told her it was gonna cost her more than that.”
I stand by what i said last night. This guy is a wet fart.
I’d love to go to a game in The Swamp. Used to go to the Coliseum to watch USC all the time.
yeah, I was just thinking the courts aren’t white enough…I mean, right enough.
Ah, we get an hour of forced birthers. Fuck. Them.
on my livestream, tne chart behind hatch looks like the letters are all different colors. like something my kids made in kindergarten
Troll Bingo time.
football time !!
A lot of the charts I’ve seen today are like that. Colour teebee an’ all, dontcha know.
Yeppurs.
In Indiana that’s a pigskin on a real live pig, right? :)
abortion hasn’t ever been the big issue for me. You guys cab shit all over these clowns. You’ll do it with more gusto.
No, that’s Happy Hour.
Thanks for putting up the lineup, Jon. I gotta be someplace about 3. Guess I’ll miss Franken. Shit.
well – yeah.
You don’t see any huge passing games around here.
(or small quarterbacks)
grocery time. bbl.
hey guys, college basketball started!!!
I’m hopin’ to be back home by then. Wish in one hand…
i thought you IN people liked basketball. My college played at 6 a.m. the other day. anything to get on espn.
Good, a happy pig is irresistible.
Oh lordy, I gotta do something else. Listening to Oral Hatch and the forced birthers makes me wanna heave.
Namaste
Gee, Sen. Brownback, do u have a question?
Oh, why yes. Sorry, I lost my place in the script. I in fact DO have a question!
I went to mass a few weeks back and they do announcements at the end. and the priest thanks the lady who headed up the letter writing campaign supporting Stup(id Pol)ack amendment. and everybody claps. and i’m sitting there and I look around and I swear.. I know these people and tehy don’t know shit … half of them must have been clapping because other people were. one of them sent me an e-mail about how Obama told USPS to isue a “Muslim stamp” jeez. great congregation.
FIU. geez.
Hey mod, I can call Stupak a Polack. Beerfartiewicz, ya know.
That’s why they couldn’t pull off a filibuster. Script is too long.
got a craving for a p&j. be right back.
I dont want to pay for hatch’s viagra or any other forced erections. Do they really believe boners are health care?
Three Republicans talking simultaneously about how people shouldn’t have their tax dollars paying for something they fun unconsiencable. Does this mean I can get a tax refund of the portion of my taxes that pays for these two wars?
Or is it only Republicans consciences that count?
also got a picture in my head of Johanns in those knicker things with an alphorn singing Edelweiss. Lemme go get the sandwich. i might feel better.
Boners are healthy. everybody chant: Health Care for Hard-ons!!
Thug consciences-that’s a good one, OFG!
LOL, good point. Silly me.
Damned they’re nothing but ASSHOLES. Every. Last. One. Of. ‘Em.
I do believe Stupak is a Lithuanian name.
So Franken is next for the Dems?
Good sandwich. I’m catholic and I don’t really give a shit what the bishops say about this.
I wonder how many times the goopers practiced this script?
On a side note though. Anyone want to guess the odds of ANY Democrat coming up later and asking that very question though? God, I would love one of them to ask the Republicans “OK, if you support taxpayers that don’t want to have their tax dollars spent on abortions because it violates their conscience, would you also support taxpayers that don’t want to have their tax dollars spent on these two wars because it violates their conscience?”
Yeah, I’m not holding my breath either.
my bad. i just assumed…. ya know?
my apologies to all my Polish brothers and sisters. and my sympathies to my Lithuanian friends that that cretin is one of you.
“Catholic Bishops call decrease in Sunday Mass Attendance Completely Unacceptable
These Republican colloquies are ridiculous.
First we got phony concerns over fiscal responsibility from gregg.
Now we get distractions from hatch.
Dear Senator Hatch,
I strongly oppose the use of any of my tax dollars used for the killing of Afghan citizens.
“Catholic Bishops Dumb as Dogshit”
Looks like. I think landrieu got squoze in.
Hatch is having a little trouble reading brownback’s handwriting
OT Joe the Plumber is not in favor of Palin running in 2012. Just thought you would want to know about this important non-endorsement. s/
Hah! Especially when he says, “…this one is from a Demorcrat…” and can’t keep his hand off his own face. Sure tell for a congenital liar.
Right? Drooling idiot.
Aren’t they debating an issue that was already resolved before the House added the Stupak Amendment to H R 3962? If yes, doesn’t that mean that we have Bart to thank for this stupid distraction?
This is the stagety? spend most of the hour opposing healthcare reform on the grounds of…. something about abortion being covered by insurance policies that people pay for? Woulda been smarter to have the whole fucking bill read for the next 3 days.
“Good Evening. I’m Mike Johanns and I’m a stooge.”
Thugs-”Hi, Mike”
now I’m a bit rusty on my parliamentary procedure, but shouldn’t long speeches debating the merits of the bill in question be ruled dilatory by the chair in a debate about a procedural vote on whether debate on the bill should be allowed?
It’s a 12 step program.
1. We acknowledge the existence of a higher power.
2. The higher power says we’re right; you’re wrong.
OK. it’s a 2 step program.
never happen. every speech everyone of them – both sides – make would be ruled out of order.
40 years in the wilderness — is he talking about the USA since Reaganism?
LOL.
Karnac Moment
Answer: Brownback
Question: What did Kansas senator say when his hair dye worked.
IO choose death!!! I chose death panels!!!! I’m a liberal ghoul!!!!
-intermission-
c’mon, they were randomly selected, Hatch said so himself.
Franken!
Hurray Franken!
Oh, that’s right.
“Here’s another on we randomly selected: “Fuck you dickhead Mormon. (But you are right about the BCS system.)”
My livestream stopped.
There we go.
Shit. I gotta go. Enjoy guys. I’ll be back for the vote and the debate later.
Whew!
Franken kickin’ some serious ass.
And doing so while speaking plain English, and without bothering (so far) to refer to any republican “friends” (which scores big points with this commenter)
“insurance companies are price-gouging”
Nice clear declarative sentences.
Al is very good. He had a good role model in MInn.
Imagine that, a Senator who represents his (human) constituents.
Senator Franken is like health care reform itself: Once he starts working, you’re amazed at how efficient and effective a Senator/health care system can be.
The Frankenator-”I’ll be back.”
He had a good role model in MInn.
amen.
Ugh. Blanche Lincoln.
announcer said Lincoln is the last holdout. Did Nelson and LIEberman give in to the debate?
wait a minute – tonight is a “test vote”?
Since when is a cloture vote *not* a vote to cut off debate?
fucking parliamentary b.s.
Nelson did.
Anyone else remember when the New York Times asked “why reconciliation was such a good idea when it came to giving tax cuts to millionaires but [is now] such a bad one when it comes to trying to provide health care to average Americans”? See Battle Brewing Over Reconciliation, Which Is Anything but That (March 28, 2009).
With over 50 Senators supporting much stronger and much needed reform, why didn’t they just take it through reconciliation?
Would have robbed Blanche of this opportunity to be all smug?
Thanks. (Time warp on LIEberman).
Who does she think this crap plays to?
Blanche doing her best personal campaign speech….
Blanche says them hollywood libruls is pickin’ on me.
Blanche votes to continue debate!
Excuse me, but this senator is such a pompous ass. Btw, I’m glad I contributed to some of the ads that she referred to earlier and that they obviously irked her.
Punching hippies now.
I suspect she ain’t seen nothin’ yet. Wait until Jane has a go at her before the primary.
But adds that she reserves the right to be a huge asshole on later votes.
Hey, she’s dissin’ the Lake.
Our “narrow goals” are supported by a majority of Americans. Who is the fringe element now, Blanche?
Told you! She’ll vote NO on cloture unless she gets whatever it is she wants. Asshole.
…but I yam afraid of being primaried unless the HC robber barons up their offer.”
She’s beggin’ the Lake to take her out in a primary next year. And I sincerely hope that that’s what Jane decides to do.
Not a smart move.
yep – I was gonna say the same thing – more or less.
This is a campaign speech.
So what’s wrong with a PO? Well, according to Blanche and Landrieu, it *might* fail.
Gotta love our forward-looking, optimistic “Democratic” senators….
I’ll not be held accountable by “other groups outside my state.”
I’m just a victim of “other groups outside my state” who want to get me, but all I’m doing is what the people of my state want me to do.
Is that seriously the bullshit she’s trying to sell?
Wow, did she run unopposed? I’m thinking she’ll run as a thug next year.
Hey – Blanche finally said something I agree with:
“Thank you Madame President – I yield the floor”
Bravo !
You’ll have to admit that part’s true. We are out to get her. *g*
The only reason why we have any influence in Arkansas is because she’s not listening to her constituents and because she’s not doing what they want her to do.
That’s the part of what she implied that’s bullshit, that’s it’s all our fault that she’s in so much trouble back home.
Glad she’s feeling the heat from ads like the one that FDL ran!
Corkhead. Another fuckin’ asshole.
Shorter Sen. Burr: There are a lot of words in the bill therefor it must be bad.
Burr is the biggest PAC-whore in the Senate.
In July 2004, Burr won the Republican primary to seek the U.S. Senate seat being vacated by Democrat John Edwards, who launched a presidential campaign. He faced Democratic party nominee Erskine Bowles and Libertarian Tom Bailey.
Burr won the election by five percentage points. Bowles’ and Burr’s combined campaign expenditures totaled over $26 million, making it one of the most expensive Senate races in the country. Burr raised more money from political action committees, $2.8 million, than any other Senate candidate in 2004, primarily from the business community. Of the 100 largest companies in America, at least 72 contributed to Burr. Those included the PACs for such corporations as Wal-Mart, Exxon Mobil, General Motors, Ford, General Electric and ChevronTexaco.[7]
In 2007, Burr ran for the leadership post of Republican Conference chairman[8] but lost to Sen. Lamar Alexander by a vote of 31 to 16.[9]
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When was the last time Coburn treated a patient? 1832?
is anyone still here?
i left around 3, 3:15. did i miss anything?