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I had to go back over this clip a couple times on my Tivo, but Mike Johanns does in fact argue for Stupak because it allows women to buy insurance plans on the exchange that provide abortion coverage:
JOHANNS: Senantor Hatch, let me just interject something here because I think this is a very important point to make following up on what you just say. Some say that a person would never want to purchase a separate rider to cover abortions. Just won’t happen, they say.
But they misunderstand what the Stupak language actually allows, so let me be clear about this.
If a woman wants her health insurance plan to provide elective abortion services, she does have the choice to purchase a health insurance plan that provides that on the exchange — she just has to pay for it with her own money. Am I correct in that interpretation, or have I misunderstood?
HATCH: That’s correct.
From which we can conclude:
- Either Johanns and Hatch don’t know what’s in Stupak, or they’re lying about it to gain support AND
- Johanns and Hatch are okay with plans in the exchange offering elective abortion coverage as long as a woman pays for it “with her own money.” Johanns even goes so far as to say this is an “important point.”
I guess that clears that up.
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We KNOW they are lying …when do these wingnuts tell the truth? The incredible thing is that people believe this crap …
Cat in Seattle
I’m sure they they know what’s in Stupak and that they’re just full of shit. So much of the ridiculous Republican colloquies were badly scripted, but clearly intended to score points by twisting the truth about just about everything.
I’m sorry to have to harp on this Jane, but why doesn’t anyone else here seem to think that Blanche Lincoln’s very explicitly stated threat to kill the public option is important?
On the Senate floor yesterday, she said:
In fact, as I wrote in a diary about it here:
Am I wrong to think that when she said that she will ultimately not be held accountable by any groups “from outside my state,” that she was referring to you and Firedoglake?
Lying, and they know they’re lying, and they think we can’t tell. They’d sell every one of their female family and friends for a little more power.
May they find a nice warm spot down around the 8th circle, when they die.
I wish the MSM would call out these clowns for what they are; misogynistic bigots.
Thanks for this Jane.
We watched the vote last night and were thrilled the Dems managed 60 yeahs.
Also saw little mitch mcconnell, the last to speak prior to the vote, and you are correct PJEvans, lying, misogynistic, bigoted, obstructionist assholes all.
Short Ride has also threatened to filibuster the bill if it contains a PO. We can only exert so much influence on the Senate. We are not in a position to keep Lincoln or Short Ride from trying to kill the bill. What we can do is try to make it a difficult choice for both of them. Lincoln is up for reelection next year, Short Ride in 2012. We have absolutely no leverage on Short Ride and short of more ads and such against Lincoln we have little leverage on her. It’s not that it’s not important, the reality is there’s not a lot we can do about it other than what we’ve been doing.
Lincoln was definitely referring to the Lake in her comments.
The influence over short ride is a concerted effort of writing every democrat in the senate and insisting that he lose his chairmanship.
I concede that I’m the novice here, but I don’t understand why we thought we could do something weeks ago when Jane dared Lincoln to filibuster a public option and launched FDL Action PAC’s Fund Organizers in Arkansas: Dare Blanche Lincoln to Filibuster the Public Option, but now we think there’s not much we can do about her explicit threat to filibuster a public option.
Why not put up a post with the ActBlue goal thermometer and raise more money to fund organizers in Arkansas? Why not spend the next couple of weeks showing Blanche that we can help run a primary challenger against her? Why not push back?
I think I vote for Johans and Hatch lying. After all, they are Republicans.
I wonder if Johanns expects his daughter to pay separately for any other part of her health care?
Knoxville, have you noticed the attention the media paid to Lt. Gov. Halter, D-Ark, in connection with the free clinic? Just sayin’.
I have noticed the attention that the media paid to Lt. Gov. Halter, D-Ark, in connection with the free clinic.
So, is the plan to sit by quietly and, if/when Lincoln filibusters the public option or pulls off getting a triggered public option, back Halter in a primary against her?
I’m very much on board to back Halter in a primary against Lincoln if she screws over the Democratic Caucus, Democrats across the country, and Arkansans.
But why not sound the alarms now?
Why not show that we can and will back a primary challenger if she filibusters a public option, rather than sit by quietly and wait to see what she does?
Ok, I’ve said my piece on this.
Hi Jane,
According to Nate Silver:
Has anything changed with Blanche Lincoln in the last day?
Thanks,
- Tom
I guess what I mean is, is this just bluster from Lincoln or does she have some new card to play with?
The C-SPAN Orrin Hatch experience consists of hearing him say something false and then, minutes later, say something else that proves he knew it was false. Superficially he seems statesmanlike, never bending his back, but there’s nothing he won’t stoop to. That’s his masquerade.
There’s a place in hell for the man. So many are now in his mold that it’s more like a time-share. But he gets the biggest share. How good would it be if Ted Kennedy’s ghost paid him a visit during a committee hearing while he was in the process of fibbing, or at a Republican fundraiser just as he was making his pitch?
My favorite part in all this is Stupak saying his amendment is meaningless and has no effect but its somehow important enough that he is willing to destroy HCR to keep it.