Comments on: Sheila Jackson Lee Will Oppose Health Care Bill with Triggers or Opt-outs* http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/11/16/sheila-jackson-lee-will-oppose-health-care-bill-with-triggers-or-opt-outs/ Politics for liberal newsgeeks Sat, 18 Feb 2012 05:37:02 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: masanf http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/11/16/sheila-jackson-lee-will-oppose-health-care-bill-with-triggers-or-opt-outs/#comment-61646 masanf Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:15:31 +0000 http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/?p=5369#comment-61646 THe bill passed the HOuse by two votes. Anyone taking seriously these commitments not to vote for the bill has been taking too many naive pills. I hate to tell the people here this, but more than a handful of Senate Democrats have said they would filibuster the bill if it even remotely resembles the House one. The more the bill in the Senate resembles the one in the House, the less likely it has of passing. Given the filibuster promise of Lieberman and the statements of a few others on abortion, this bill probably has little chance already. THe bill passed the HOuse by two votes. Anyone taking seriously these commitments not to vote for the bill has been taking too many naive pills. I hate to tell the people here this, but more than a handful of Senate Democrats have said they would filibuster the bill if it even remotely resembles the House one. The more the bill in the Senate resembles the one in the House, the less likely it has of passing. Given the filibuster promise of Lieberman and the statements of a few others on abortion, this bill probably has little chance already.

]]> By: stephhunter http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/11/16/sheila-jackson-lee-will-oppose-health-care-bill-with-triggers-or-opt-outs/#comment-61645 stephhunter Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:01:23 +0000 http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/?p=5369#comment-61645 This is the right move, we need a more robust public option. I know as she does that the public option has been working too well to allow this opportunity to pass them by. http://cli.gs/23yYaM/ This is the right move, we need a more robust public option. I know as she does that the public option has been working too well to allow this opportunity to pass them by. http://cli.gs/23yYaM/

]]> By: researcher http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/11/16/sheila-jackson-lee-will-oppose-health-care-bill-with-triggers-or-opt-outs/#comment-61637 researcher Tue, 17 Nov 2009 05:32:01 +0000 http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/?p=5369#comment-61637 I am taking bets she will fold like a deck of cards she is a demo they only know folding any country that makes mega profits off the sick and needy is a country in rapid decline. without china money it would be all over now they now own us yes a communist country and we thought we won the cold war with our military whoops I am taking bets she will fold like a deck of cards

she is a demo they only know folding

any country that makes mega profits off the sick and needy is a country in rapid decline.

without china money it would be all over now

they now own us yes a communist country

and we thought we won the cold war with our military

whoops

]]> By: sfriendly http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/11/16/sheila-jackson-lee-will-oppose-health-care-bill-with-triggers-or-opt-outs/#comment-61633 sfriendly Tue, 17 Nov 2009 04:27:19 +0000 http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/?p=5369#comment-61633 I have to admit that I really dislike editing my posts after I write them. We go from raw text input into an HTML-based input. When you edit, if you don't put markup all over everything, when you save, all your paragraph structure, etc., is gone. I have to admit that I really dislike editing my posts after I write them. We go from raw text input into an HTML-based input. When you edit, if you don’t put markup all over everything, when you save, all your paragraph structure, etc., is gone.

]]> By: sfriendly http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/11/16/sheila-jackson-lee-will-oppose-health-care-bill-with-triggers-or-opt-outs/#comment-61632 sfriendly Tue, 17 Nov 2009 04:24:00 +0000 http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/?p=5369#comment-61632 Hi everyone - As admirable as your zeal is for getting health care reform enacted, unfortunately I can't share your optimism. Between the legislation that has emerged from the national house of representatives, and that soon to leave the slow, doddering, and corrupt senate, health care reform of any sort good for the broad population is D.O.A. The white house wanted a giveaway to the insurance and pharmaceutical industries, judging by headline news reports over the recent months. Likewise for the Democratic majority in the congress. They're utterly bought and sold, and, besides, they have to enact something they can call "reform" in front of the TV cameras so that they have talking points in next year's mid-terms. "See, we did 'something'! We 'reformed' health care!". The best that aggressive health care reform advocates can hope for at this point, I believe, is fighting a hard enough defensive stop-gap battle to keep the legislation Obama signs from being an utterly insane and miserable pipe dream come true for the notorious industries involved. As it stands, it will be effectively criminal to not hold a private corporate insurance product sometime next year. This is a staggering reality and sign of just how bad things have gotten. For my part, I am close to concluding that the US is not governable from the standpoint of unified control of the white house and congressional seats producing actual reform serving the interests of the broad population. It just won't happen. The government officials are utterly corrupt and craven. Hi everyone -

As admirable as your zeal is for getting health care reform enacted, unfortunately I can’t share your optimism. Between the legislation that has emerged from the national house of representatives, and that soon to leave the slow, doddering, and corrupt senate, health care reform of any sort good for the broad population is D.O.A.

The white house wanted a giveaway to the insurance and pharmaceutical industries, judging by headline news reports over the recent months. Likewise for the Democratic majority in the congress. They’re utterly bought and sold, and, besides, they have to enact something they can call “reform” in front of the TV cameras so that they have talking points in next year’s mid-terms. “See, we did ‘something’! We ‘reformed’ health care!”.

The best that aggressive health care reform advocates can hope for at this point, I believe, is fighting a hard enough defensive stop-gap battle to keep the legislation Obama signs from being an utterly insane and miserable pipe dream come true for the notorious industries involved. As it stands, it will be effectively criminal to not hold a private corporate insurance product sometime next year. This is a staggering reality and sign of just how bad things have gotten.

For my part, I am close to concluding that the US is not governable from the standpoint of unified control of the white house and congressional seats producing actual reform serving the interests of the broad population. It just won’t happen. The government officials are utterly corrupt and craven.

]]> By: TheLurkingMod http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/11/16/sheila-jackson-lee-will-oppose-health-care-bill-with-triggers-or-opt-outs/#comment-61630 TheLurkingMod Tue, 17 Nov 2009 04:01:19 +0000 http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/?p=5369#comment-61630 watertiger is upstairs! <a href="http://firedoglake.com/2009/11/16/late-night-the-grifters-ii-it-takes-one-to-know-one/" rel="nofollow">Late Night: The Grifters II – It Takes One to Know One</a> watertiger is upstairs!
Late Night: The Grifters II – It Takes One to Know One

]]> By: Beerfart Liberal http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/11/16/sheila-jackson-lee-will-oppose-health-care-bill-with-triggers-or-opt-outs/#comment-61627 Beerfart Liberal Tue, 17 Nov 2009 03:57:48 +0000 http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/?p=5369#comment-61627 not holding my breath or betting on it. TDS coming on. later not holding my breath or betting on it.

TDS coming on. later

]]> By: mikesong http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/11/16/sheila-jackson-lee-will-oppose-health-care-bill-with-triggers-or-opt-outs/#comment-61626 mikesong Tue, 17 Nov 2009 03:56:23 +0000 http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/?p=5369#comment-61626 If Ms. Lee can defeat an opt-out, I will be very impressed (are there 50 senators on board?) I was never concerned that triggers were a real possibility, but I think the opt-out will be pretty much the hardest thing to defeat, even harder than Stupak. If Ms. Lee can defeat an opt-out, I will be very impressed (are there 50 senators on board?) I was never concerned that triggers were a real possibility, but I think the opt-out will be pretty much the hardest thing to defeat, even harder than Stupak.

]]> By: bmull http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/11/16/sheila-jackson-lee-will-oppose-health-care-bill-with-triggers-or-opt-outs/#comment-61624 bmull Tue, 17 Nov 2009 03:52:53 +0000 http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/?p=5369#comment-61624 It's great that progressives oppose a worthless public option substitute. My question is, will they commit to vote NO on such a bill and will they stick to it this time. It’s great that progressives oppose a worthless public option substitute. My question is, will they commit to vote NO on such a bill and will they stick to it this time.

]]> By: Beerfart Liberal http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/11/16/sheila-jackson-lee-will-oppose-health-care-bill-with-triggers-or-opt-outs/#comment-61623 Beerfart Liberal Tue, 17 Nov 2009 03:50:11 +0000 http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/?p=5369#comment-61623 But even so..... this is a great report Michael. Thanks God there are still alot of people who haven't given up. But even so….. this is a great report Michael. Thanks God there are still alot of people who haven’t given up.

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