Joe Lieberman.. the real Grima Wormetongue.

“If I am only for myself, what am I?”

Outstanding quote.

It’s abundantly clear what Joe Lieberman stands for: more attention for Joe Lieberman. The sooner the guy is gone from the national discourse, the better.

Hell Liarman knows better than the people just ask him. /s

That might actually be unfair to Grima.

Ah, but being rebuked by a rabbi is NOT the sort of attention that Holy Joe, who sees himself as almost a rabbi anyway, wants.

Which is, of course, why you won’t see this story on the evening news on CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN or FOX. And you won’t hear about it on drive-time radio on any major TradMed network, not even NPR.

Contrast this with how eagerly the TradMed leaps to cover any instance of a Democratic Catholic politician (especially a particularly liberal one) being chewed out by a conservative Catholic priest. (See also: Kennedy, Patrick.)

To think that he just flat out lied during the 2006 election and said he was for single payer. Shame on you Joe, shame.

the pusbagLIARMAN is NOT HUMAN

I wonder what the pope has to say on universal health care, that would be good to know

I can’t believe that the democrats have given this dirtbag a seat:
It is inconceivable to bring 9/11 terrorists to NY
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/11/lieberman-it-is-inconceivable-to-bring-911-suspects-to-ny.php?ref=fpa
And Liarman is blocking dem efforts to remove FEMA from Homeland Security and make it a cabinet level stand alone group
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kelly-caldwell/the-other-essential-refor_b_355576.html

excellent point. We are all to be sheeple. Called us mushrooms. Feed us shit and watch us grow in the dark. The oligarchs who run the country have decided, they want a new serfdom. People paid a $1 a day, just like the peasants in China, which to them is the holy grail.

Joe has always been for himself and only for himself, first and last. I have this on direct authority from his Yale roommate.

i’m still wondering what the hell al gore was thinking….

The good Rabbi was perhaps too polite to mention it, but I’m not going to hold my tongue. That whole “for myself only” mentality which the Rabbi rightly rebuked with the question: “If I am only for myself, what am I?” is far more insidious than just being a basis for Lieberman receiving deserved mockery.

One is compelled to note that Niemoeller presented the answer to the question the Rabbi posited:

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.

It’s people like Lieberman who, and their exclusive self-interest which, facilitated the Holocaust and, for that matter, facilitated every holocaust in history. Holy Joe stands in some proud company….

A thirty second to one minute youtube of that lie sure would come in handy.

I remember saying out loud as soon as I heard Gore picked Lieberman for his running mate that he just lost the election.

Apparently I was wrong, Gore actually won the election, but lost the Supreme Court – however I still think Lieberman was a bad choice, and one I think that made the election close enough for Bush to steal.

good point, I wonder if that could be rustled up

While rustling up youtubes lets get one of him calling for up or down votes without filibusters.

I think there is some treading on shaky ground here. And I reject the notion that the Jews were enablers of the Holocaust. Forgive me if I rephrase to say what I believe you intended. It is those who collaborate for selfish gain with those who abuse human rights that are the enablers.

I find myself having to stop and think to avoid the old double standard. I don’t want Patrick Kennedy being threatened with excommunication for not voting the Catholic line, nor of course the creationists voting their religion etc. So I suppose for consistencies sake I have to put the rabbi out of line.

But then how do we retain and introduce the “ordinary” values that define us as a functioning civilization? The step that I take is to remind myself that it is not the religions that are the keepers of morality, but the whole people. One can however say that the Rabbi was speaking as a human.

Actually, I think you got my point precisely right. It is the only-interested-in-themselves-and-their-own-personal-benefit crowd who, by their inaction, by their noting the events and deciding that because the events do not directly affect their interests, and by standing by idly and mutely, enable every holocaust in history.

Joe Lieberman is exactly one of those: only interested in himself and his own interests, and willing to say anything to advance them regardless. He is no different, in moral terms, from the people who stood by and allowed any other holocaust to happen.

I cited Niemoeller for two reasons: first, to limn the moral depravity at the core of Lieberman. Second, to note that, in moral/philosophical terms, Niemoeller does answer Hillel’s question and that Niemoeller’s answer is all the stronger because of the experience whence it sprang.

Ok, three reasons: Third, for shock value.

And I was treading carefully, too.

Lieberman is not swayed by Jewish religious arguments. He worships at the alter of the Insurance Companies.

As for me, I will exercise my religion and pray for Lieberman. I will pray for him by thinking of him vividly while reciting these lines of Psalm 109:

When he shall be judged, let him be condemned: and let his prayer become sin.

Let his days be few; and let another take his office.

Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow.

Let his children be continually vagabonds, and beg: let them seek their bread also out of their desolate places.

Let the extortioner catch all that he hath; and let the strangers spoil his labour.

Let there be none to extend mercy unto him: neither let there be any to favour his fatherless children.

Let his posterity be cut off; and in the generation following let their name be blotted out.

Now THAT’S some fine religion talk indeed. Good ol’ psalms never fail to yield a timely piece of apropos prose.

Yes that is exactly my interpretation of your words and I agree.

I was likely gilding the lily in seeing a need to say it a different way.

It’s about time that someone called him out? Is it possible to be an observant Jew and not understand the concepts of tzdukkah and charity? It is one of fundamental concepts and raison d’être for Judaism, Christianity and Islam. I am a secular humanist, a Jew whose philosophy revolves around the concept of repairing the world. Like his support for Jewish settlements on the West Bank, his problems with a public option in the health-care reform debate only confirms my opinion that this guy is no Jew, at least not according to my understanding of what a Jew is.

Joe is orthodox (or some variant thereof) and so I’m sure he thinks you and I are not Jewish. I was born Jewish according to orthodox Halacha. In fact, I am a Kohane. But now, I belong to a Reform Jewish congregation which ol’ Joe and his orthodox pals would say isn’t Jewish. I get angry when one sect of Jews claims to have the divine right to name who is a Jew and who is not. So, I’m not sure we should go down the path of saying whether Lieberman is Jewish or not just because we find his morals abhorrently inconsistent with out views of Jewish T’kun Olam.

So I won’t say that he is or is not Jewish. That is for him to profess.

But I will say this: Joe Lieberman is a remnant of the Amalekites.

Jeez, I might consider becoming religious after seeing this!

I think Lieberman is “Joe-ish”, not “Jewish”.

Finally a Jew the people on this site don’t hate. And the notion that it is a moral imperative to pass a bill that the government’s own studies are indicating will gut senior care, result in an increase in health care costs and add almost $300 Billion to the deficit is just plain stupid.

Finally a Jew the people on this site don’t hate.

Now this is a statement that seems to come with no facts to back it up. Where do you get the idea that folks here hate Jews? Seriously? Because a lot of folks question Israel’s actions?

Seriously, where does this come from?

Finally a Jew the people on this site don’t hate.

You’d better provide some documentation before slinging this kind of stuff around. We don’t tolerate any kind of ethnic slurs here.

I’m no church person. But the official position of the Catholic church, since the Sixties at least, is that health care is a basic human right.

They couldn’t very well say otherwise.

“Finally a Jew the people on this site don’t hate.”

As a dual citizen of Israel and the US, and a NCO (retired) in the Israeli Air Force, I am sick and tired of people who yell antisemitism every time a Jew or Israel is criticized.

Name calling has gotten us to where we are now. How about if we try to listen to each other, and to perhaps learn why we have different views, and how we can work out our disagreements. I am surprised that we are so willing to resort to violence, verbal and otherwise, after the history of our species should have taught us that violence is not the answer.

Joe Lieberman would be a scumbag regardless of what religion he professed.

Indeed. I was thinking just that.

My post seems to indicate I was calling Lieberman a scumbag. No, I was replying to the first post about Hillel’s statement. Why do these blogs not always indicate when you are replying?

I have no opinion of Lieberman except that it would be nice if he could find a way to support the Dem agenda.

To link your answer to a specific comment earlier in the thread, look at the bottom right hand corner of that comment where it says “Reply” and click there.

Make sure your page has fully loaded before clicking on Reply. You should see the regular comment box, but with a pink stripe above indicating which comment you are responding to.

Hope this helps.

Hey! The leiberweasel had one up on McCain, and had to correct Him several times.

Think the leiberweasel was a heart beat away from the vice presidency.

A heart beat away from some big job with McCain.

Still a Senator way way way way way to long.

The God of the Old Testament is a Just God. Take Joe to the Beth Din.

“A fascinating question, indeed: what does Joe Lieberman stand for, other than himself? Or, as another Rabbi – a great one named Hillel, one of the most respected figures in Jewish history – famously asked, “If I am only for myself, what am I?”

Someone on Hardball recently referred to Lieberman as “Traitor Joe” not the store.

Joe has got to go.
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Too bad someone was not packing a few guns or burning effigies the MSM would have covered the gathering. Or the rally could have been held in Iran then it would have also received MSM coverage

Yeah Joe is more than ready to send other people’s family members to wars base on a “pack of lies” While he gets family deferments during Vietnam. There is no worse scum bag strategies.