The DHHS’ Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) is out with a new report on HR 3962. This section on the public health insurance option is full of great details:
The proposed legislation specifies that a Federally operated “public health insurance option” would also be available through the Exchange. This plan would meet the same benefit, cost-sharing, network, and other requirements applicable to private Exchange plans and would negotiate payment rates with providers (rather than paying based on Medicare rates, as under H.R. 3200). We estimate that the public plan would have costs that were 5 percent below the average level for private plans but that the public plan premiums would be roughly 4 percent higher than private as a result of antiselection by enrollees. We further estimate that about 25 percent of the approximately 25 million people with Exchange coverage would choose the public plan option; the actual percentage could be substantially different, although the impacts on Federal costs and the number of insured persons are not especially sensitive to this percentage.
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The lower estimated cost level for the public plan assumes that the Secretary could negotiate somewhat lower provider payment rates than those prevailing for commercial plans, in view of the larger enrollment base. Lower administrative costs—due to the economy of scale, reduced marketing costs, and lack of a margin for profit—also contribute to the difference. We anticipate, however, that the public plan would not apply utilization-management techniques as strict as those prevailing in private PPOs and HMOs, thereby offsetting much of the cost advantage. The impact of antiselection is estimated as the amount remaining after risk adjustment is applied.
What is important is that the CMS concludes that the public option would provide better quality health insurance at a better value. The Secretary of HHS would be able to negotiate slightly better deals from providers and have lower administrative costs. The CMS supports all the progressive arguments for even the weaker public option; its lack of profit margin, reduced marketing cost, and lower administrative overhead would produce savings that would be passed on to the American people. Even with less “utilization-management techniques” (i.e. a large, low hassle, and easy to use provider network) the public option’s costs would be 5% less. That could be a savings of roughly $700 for a family of four on yearly premiums; however, under HR 3962 premiums for the public option would still be slightly higher because not enough is done to prevent patient dumping and cherry picking by private insurance companies.
The only way to stop this problem is with a very strong risk adjustment mechanism. The fact that HR 3962′s risk adjuster is far too weak is not the public option’s fault and is an extremely serious problem with or without the public option. It is the Achilles Heel of a managed competition health insurance market. Unless there is a strong risk adjuster there will not be any socially responsible insurance providers on the exchange, public, private, co-op, or non-profit. Even if they managed to provide high quality, low cost health insurance a socially responsible insurer would be flooded with sicker costumers and ironically be forced to charge higher premiums.
This CMS report is a validation of the progressive community’s commitment to the public option. The CMS concluded that even the weaker negiotated rates public option will still provide higher quality, lower hassle, better value health insurance than the private insurance companies. It is also another serious warning about the need for a strong risk adjustment on the exchange. Anyone who strongly supports the public option should fight equally as hard to insure the exchange can work properly by having a more robust risk adjustment mechanism.



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I have written to my Congressmen about this. I think it’s really important now that so much seems to be riding on current legislation. Don’t know whether things are too far along to get behind this: Uwe Reinhardt, in an April 17th ‘Economix’ article in the NYT (Health Reform Without a Public Plan: The German Model)writes about the German system where private, non-profit insurers compete for employment based enrollees…sounds a lot like our system. Except there, the only role the insurers play is to pay the providers. Through a payroll tax that is purely income based, Germans get to choose from around 200 insurers (so this sounds like something Wyden would like – lots of choice from insurers who get to offer insurance nationally…and Wyden was co-sponsoring this bill with a Republican, so the craven Administration gets its bipartisan cover). The government calculates how much the insurer gets from the risk adjustment fund based on a formula that accounts for 80-some-odd criteria, they distribute that to whichever insurance plan the person chooses. Spouses are automatically covered. All children are covered by a separate plan (like SCHIP) that is basically single payer for minors. It sounds interesting. But, as I say, is it too late? Dunno…
Germany has a decent risk adjuster but if you really want to do it right you need to copy the Dutch system. That is a robust risk adjuster.
Thanks…if you have a link to a comparative article on risk adjusters in different countries or different formulas for them (for a complete layman), I’d be grateful.
What I like about (what I understand of) the system described by Reinhardt is the central role the government takes in collecting payments in proportion to each person’s means and distributing the money according to risk that it – the government – calculates. Private insurers then have a real interest in making sure the adjusters are valid.
And I’m curious to find out about the Dutch system.
Ta…
Here is a the Dutch government’s official description of their risk adjuster program for layman. It is pretty good and basically the only not super technically thing I’ve seen written on the matter. http://www.minvws.nl/en/reports/z/2008/risk-adjustment-under-the-health-insurance-act-in-the-netherlands.asp
Thank you…
This just shows how terrible the current system is. I mean when a public option is already in place and it is working like crazy, it doesn’t take much to be better than now! http://cli.gs/23yYaM/
i must be brain dead because i’m coming up with a NHE (national health expenditure) savings due to the po of approximately $2.1 billion / year (by 2019), for a grand total of less than 0.05%.
what am i missing, other than (hopefully) a bunch of zeros?
i agree completely with this statement. what can we do about this issue? it seems to me to be a critical make or break issue.
while i’m at it.. if someone is checking my math for me (please! it’s been hours since my last cup of coffee!), i get $6562/person for the private plan and $6885/person for the public plan.
What is important is that the CMS concludes that the public option would provide better quality health insurance at a better value
REALLY? I’d love to see some proof of that (outside of your liberal bias.)
Just read up on the Dutch system…it could never work here. Makes far too much sense. Snarkily yours, marcopolo
The 5% is how much cheaper the public option will operate. It is only operating in a small part of the market.
right. so what’s the big deal? that’s peanuts.
Right selise, PO advocates always talk peanuts because they can’t bring themselves to advocate for Medicare for All since they’ve convinced themselves that passing it isn’t feasible. Of course, the reason why it’s not feasible is because PO advocates cooperated with the Administration to take it off the table even before the inauguration — a pure case of the type of reflexivity called the self-fulfilling prophecy.
that’s a terrific primer on risk adjustment, and on the dutch risk adjustment system in particular. thanks for the link.
what nobody wants to talk about of course are the downsides of the new dutch system.
is it controlling costs? no, says pnhp:
ok, so cost containment was a secondary consideration [yeah riiiiiiight]. how about coverage, did they increase that? no, says timothy jost:
that same dynamic seems to be playing out in massachusetts too, with money that used to provide free care for the very poor now going to subsidize private insurance, and even the very poor being required to come up with modest co-pays for care they used to get for free.
are you advertising/selling insurance?
massachusetts:
I would gladly reduce my premiums by 5%. $700 for a family is still real money. Single payer would be about a 35-40% reduction. The problem is single payer has about 80 supporters in the House and maybe about 16 supporters in the Senate.
There is not even majority support for a public option tied to medicare rates in the House right now. I don’t know where you even begin to find the support for Medicare for all.
We knew what was in this CMS report all along–that doesn’t change the fact that this public “option” is not even remotely close to a viable solution to the problem of rising health care costs in America. Saying that it’s more efficient than private insurance by 5%, on the scale of covering a quarter of those in the exchanges, is peanuts (to quote selise above).
The issue was never whether the public option was marginally superior to not having it. It is easy to knock down the straw man argument saying that it isn’t. The real issue was whether it makes more sense to commit to the public option in particular or commit directly to national health insurance. As the CMS report states, this bill is projected to actually raise national health expenditures. And given public opinion polling today, it would really make sense to commit to NHI even if the alternative choice was a huge Jacob Hacker style public option. There has never been any excuse for committing to anything but NHI at the grassroots level given that a majority of the public probably supports it. That holds even if legislative compromises ended up being forced later by moneyed interests.
Even if you rule out NHI, the Medicaid component of this bill is undoubtedly far more important than the public “option,” as may well be the subsidies. Why ignore the Medicaid expansion, estimated to cover 23 million more people by CMS, as opposed to about a quarter of that covered by the public “option”? It makes no sense. Even taking NHI off the table, it makes sense to devote more effort to expanding Medicaid than to creating a public option.
Does anyone know if Jon Walker has some sort of conflict of interest in writing these posts? Who is he? The posts are often very informed, but he then draws these wild conclusions on the issue of the public “option” that remind me of Jason Rosenbaum.
More than ever this situation reminds me of the urgent need to create progressive media outlets on health care, as opposed to the faux-progressivism of the editors of Daily Kos and indeed Firedoglake. It is impossible to establish agreement on an issue when the editor of a blog does not support it, even if the agreement is supported by the facts. That is why I strongly urge everyone to crosspost at Corrente and ZBlogs.
No qualifications or expertise on this, but would be interested to know what you find out! Tx…
that’s not how it works, i think you are misreading the cms report. the po premiums are slightly more than the private plan premiums (although for the subsidized plans, they would be identical). the 5% savings is to the NHE (total national health expenditures). some of the savings will be to the fed gov budget and some to households. and even for the savings to households, the savings is not seen only by those who purchase the po.
households will only see a fraction of that 5%. again, that’s peanuts. especially when premiums are increasing by 10% or more per year.
i’m not saying that savings are not a good thing, i’m just trying to put them in context of the actual costs. this doesn’t qualify as substantial cost control — not by a long shot.
you know, if the po advocates don’t like sp and want to propose something else, i’m all ears. it’s just got to be something that can work. and this bill doesn’t qualify.
That’s instructive. Do you have recent information about how it works in Germany? I just have a very general article from the times written by Uwe Reinhardt (referenced above). How are they doing at containing cost? The insurers there are exclusively private, non-profit, I believe. I think they have the equivalent of a public option, but I’m not sure. I realize that isn’t a guarantee of efficient and cost-effective health care delivery, but I’d be interested to read how it’s working out there.
SNL made a point of taking the Admin out on its willingness to sign just about anything that says ‘Health Care Reform’ on the cover (as long as it’s arcane in design). I hope that this meme finds some traction right now. It’s so obviously true. Some big politicians need to start hammering away at this (preferably progressive Democrats, since it’s about time they reclaimed the high ground).
Another question: would it be feasible for a state of Massachusetts’ size to establish a state-wide single payer market? Or is it too small (9m people, I think). I ask because the Kucinich Amendment is meant to encourage such state wide initiatives. Any info on how large a single payer market would have to be to work? I think in Canada it was Saskatchewan that first established a single payer insurance scheme. Other provinces followed.
from pnhp’s website: Single Payer System Cost?
For myself, I’m grasping at possibilities that offer some degree of immediate relief – even if it doesn’t qualify as ‘from the ground up’ reform. If successful, could the po eventually expand to become sp? If it turns out to be good value for end-users, I would think public demand for it would escalate rapidly. In which case there’s a valid argument for supporting it as a precursor to sp. I admit, too, that we could be allowing ourselves to be misled by the desire for immediate gratification and industry reps who are doubtless floating all kinds of nonsense on the internet. But you have to understand how demoralizing it is to support something when very few people in positions of authority are talking about a principled stand against this bill…or how long it will realistically be before we see any momentum toward sp. I imagine the Admin wouldn’t want to touch health care reform again after expending so much political capital on it now. Their attitude would likely be: “we’ve tried this, it didn’t work; we’re moving on.” It could be another 10 or 12 years. Further, the progressives’ case is weakened if they don’t have a hand in defeating this legislation now. The credit goes to Republicans or (yuk!) anti-abortion or corporatist Democrats. Single payer is nowhere in the news.
…And apologies for the long post!
Wow! That’s encouraging. I was browbeaten at TPM on the subject by someone who sounded like he knew a lot more on the topic than I do in a string on the Kucinich Amendment. It makes sense: I think Canada moved to sp on a province-by-province level. I know costs continue to rise (living overseas but a MA voter)…why aren’t we hearing more about this?
the biggest problem with state single payer plans is not the size, but rather that most [all?] states have to meet budgets. they can’t print money [deficit spending], only the federal govt can do that, so if they run out of money [california anyone? florida's not far behind] then their health care system generally runs out of money too.
[see all countries' spending here]
but yes, massachusetts is about the size of israel [single payer] and sweden [kind of a mix of single payer and fully socialized medicine iirc]. both countries spend way less than we do [click on images for larger views], and live nice long healthy lives too.
can’t edit my reply… see all countries’ spending here.
Compelling. Seriously…just so pissed it never got a hearing.
What about issuing bonds? Couldn’t the transformation to single payer be financed in that way?
Sorry…that’s right: Massachusetts is more like 6.5m, not 9m. My bad.
there’s a little bit [not much] about germany’s system about halfway through this long post. and a brief description here [that's a good site for information on how other countries pay for health care, and it's where i first started learning about them].
germany’s system is multi-payer [also called all-payer], which means yes they have several different payers [insurance companies] like switzerland and the netherlands. all-payer systems are a bit more expensive to administer, the risk adjustment mechanism being one of the items that requires extra administration [thus adding to the administrative costs]. they have more managed care than than most countries, but i can’t remember how they compare to our use of managed care [hmo, ppo, etc].
still, germany is way cheaper than us, they live longer than we do, they have more healthy years of life than we do, their maternal mortality is similar to ours, and their infant mortality is better than ours.
canada, o canada!
just so pissed it never got a hearing.
yep! me too!!!!
What about issuing bonds? Couldn’t the transformation to single payer be financed in that way?
now you are out of my depth.
Wow. I can’t post a long response because of a database error.
i don’t think it’s the response length. i get those ‘database errors’ even for short replies.
try clearing your cache and rebooting your machine.
reboot the machine? why?
thanks for the tip, i’ll remember that, but it does seem odd to have to reboot.
at the link there’;s lots more info for other states and also some national studies from the nineties.
as to why we never hear about it? i guess it’s because the dem party elite and insider players and wanna be players have made that decision. without, of course ever consulting with the grass roots. seriously, you’d have to ask the people who have made and continue to make the decision not to talk about sp. although, i advise you don’t get your hopes up, i’ve been asking about that for over a year and have gotten different answers at different times. most recent one is the sp activists are ignorant scolds.
Thanks for that. Still a little confused about the German system…there’s mention of it being single payer “with a wimpy private option”…but then people choose from any of 200 insurance plans.
I enjoyed the snarkolicious Corriente post! Yes, the Swiss system sounds great for that generally healthy and prosperous little elfdom. I can’t see that working here, so maybe Paul has been dipping into the banana peel jar. He’s mostly on the money from where I stand.
Yes, all of it interesting and hopeful. But who’s funding these studies? Hats off to them, anyway.
Have you tried writing to Kerry and your Congrescritter? I know mine, Barney Frank, is already on board. I don’t know what more he can do than sponsor HR 676.
Do you happen to know if HR 676 is different in substance from S 703, Bernie Sanders’ bill? He’s someone who might actually take a principled stand on the issue of health care reform. He’s not beholden to insurers, as far as I know. If he votes against it, and (hold your nose) Lieberman does, it looks poor for the current, awful legislation…and, I calculate (maybe erroneously) better for a completely fresh start, with sp on the table again.
the funding is mostly listed with each study. the link i gave you is just a compendium put together by pnhp of the various studies that have been done.
wrt to kerry and my rep – they have gotten many calls, etc from me. but i don’t think universal healthcare is something that is going to come out of washington. jmo, but i think it will be up to us to organize in support of an outside the beltway human rights social movement (which, btw i see happening) to get it done. that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t keep at the deecee folks, but not with the expectation they are going to take the ball and run with it.
again, jmo, but this is not a piece of business as usual legislation in a business as usual time. that, i think, is what is being missed by party activists.
re the differences between hr 676 and s 703. hr 676 is the bill being organized around, but s 703 is a genuine single payer bill as well. BargainCountertenor read the bills and did a comparison for me in a diary some time ago. here it is: Single Payer Bills in Congress: First Impressions
That comparison is very helpful. Thank you!
Still would like to learn more about the German system.
I’m now officially 100% ambivalent on the legislation under consideration. It’s impossible to tell whether any possible public option it contains would be a viable precursor to single payer. The path to single payer could, in the end, be delayed for decades by a poor public option.
And I’d love to hear of any news/ideas concerning financing for state wide (or even regional) single payer initiatives. I know states issue bonds to finance infrastructure, but I don’t how much would be needed to initiate a sp system for say, Massachusetts, or, thinking out loud, Massachusetts, Vermont and New York. Maybe we’re talking much more money for health care, or shorter-term financing than is possible with the Federal gov’t. Is this a possibility? Any economists/informed public policy experts among us??
i think CA and PA are ahead of the other states on this. my understanding is that a bill has passed in CA twice only to be vetoed by the gropenator. we’ll have to ask someone from CA or PA about their bills, i’d be curious to see them too.
will also ask around….
re german system. have you read t.r. reid’s book?
I’d love to find out more about that, then. I’d think politically, MA might be willing to experiment with sp. I don’t see costs coming down anytime soon. CA I’ve heard about. PA? Huh…land of Arlen Specter. That surprises me. Thanks for the heads up.
Didn’t read Reid’s book, but listened to a PBS podcast which was highly informative. I think the reason I’m especially interested in the German system is it covers everyone, everyone gets lots of choices (idiotic…but look at our cereal sections in grocery stores…it’s a winner politically), and it’s structured around employment. So in some ways it gives people on the right what they’re asking for. It’s just that insurance companies’ role is dramatically limited. If I’ve understood correctly, they get money from the gov’t to negotiate with providers, in amounts determined by a government formula. That’s all they do. It’s vanilla. Like utilities – highly regulated and noncommercial. Non-profit, exclusively. It’s palatable, from an American political perspective; it’s about as socialized as you can get while keeping a (narrow) role for private participation.
I’d be curious to know more about the PA sp proposal. Back to Google…
lots of choices? who wants choices in insurance plans when you can have choice of doctors and hospitals instead? that’s what almost every country has: full choice of doctor and hospital, almost nobody really cares about choice of insurance.
some links about germany’s health care system, some of which may be a bit dated:
wikipedia
some other good links to follow in that article
wall street journal
this is really funny; an $11 billion shortfall spread out over 82 million people is a ‘crisis’
medhunters
you can see that some of their numbers are out of date, but the basic information seems reliable
justlanded.com
geared to foreigners working in or moving to germany
ian welsh, on ‘public option‘
will it be allowed to eventually become single payer? no, says ian.
it’s my understanding that bernie sanders is revising his s703 to look more like hr676.
thanks, i hadn’t heard about that
That is an excellent website. He cuts through a lot of distracting detail, but not at the expense of nuance. Very helpful. So thanks for that…
I agree about choice -it’s nonsense. And you’re probably right: if people understood they could choose their doctor, they’d be happy. It’s just that it’s such a big fetish in our consumer-driven society.
Overall the system in Germany sounds pretty good, at least compared to ours. I’ve heard Germans and the English whine about their health care systems. When I hear that, I tell them, in so many words ‘If you only knew…’ (and I suspect most of them do).
Thank you for sending those links. WSJ obfuscation makes my blood boil. What a rag.
It’s Lambert Strether’s response in the following string that spells it out: a weak public option is a sop to liberal sensibilities. It’s actually worse than nothing.
that’s pretty much my guess too, although a weak public option also serves as a useful dumping ground should the insurance companies have expensive people they want to get rid of.
can’t remember where i saw it, or i’d link to it. probably it was from one of the single payer sites, since that’s pretty much all i visit on health care legislation these days. i am most definitely not in favor of trying to salvage this bill, so i’m not spending a lot of time reading about it.
everybody complains about their own health care system. few people from other countries would trade theirs for ours though.
speaking of other countries, ian welsh is canadian but has lived here [still does, iirc]. he’s smart, he knows firsthand about non-american healthcare, and he has worked in insurance. he’s an excellent resource.
germany’s system is pretty darn good, but if you’re going to go with forcing 90% of the population to accept public insurance, why not go canadian? 100% of the population has public insurance, and those who have a little extra money, or who have generous employers, can get supplemental insurance. this way, everyone is covered, and the insurance industry gets to stay in business. also, this way, all tax dollars go directly to doctors and hospitals and clinics and such, instead of being funneled through insurance companies first. only private $$ goes to buy private insurance. our medicare was modeled on canada’s medicare, so it would be very efficient to just extend it to the rest of the population now that it’s in place and up and running.
germany, switzerland, the netherlands, all these social insurance countries collect taxes and provide subsidies to buy insurance from private companies. i’m opposed to doing that. as much as possible, i want tax dollars to go directly to citizens, not to corporations.
alternatively, i do like france’s system if i can’t ‘go canadian’.
as for choice, choice is good. nothing wrong with that! i live in a very conservative, republican, guvmint-hatin part of the country, but it’s a fairly easy sell to get my friends and neighbors to like the idea of medicare-for-all: the small increase in taxes is much lower than premiums, you can go to any doctor anywhere in the country, not to mention You go in and you just say, “I’m sick,” and somebody treats you, and that’s it.
i also usually tell people that if we ALL had medicare that you might lose your job, but you’ll ALWAYS be able to take your child to the hospital if they get sick.
choice of insurance companies is a total waste, but if you’re taking away people’s real choices, it’s always useful if you can mollify them with fake choices.
Well said. Ian Welsh is pure gold. I am going to write to him.
You’re right that people are not conservative – at least not in the twisted, modern American political sense – no matter what they label themselves. I watched tongue in cheek interviews with teabaggers in Griffin Park. Time and again, when it came down to specifics, even these fringe reform opponents said they wouldn’t go as far as closing their local public clinic or getting rid of the VA or Medicare. So it’s all ideological bluster. The overwhelming majority of Americans would love Medicare for All. And it’s a patently conservative idea: provide a safety net for tomorrow, when you might not have a job or you have huge medical bills you can’t pay. I think a lot of these teabaggers are just alienated Americans who are looking for a sense of community. We all are. But they’re just parroting for the vibe.
Anyway…thanks for introducing me to Ian and for those links. I’m going to check out your link to France’s system. I know a lot of French people here, and they have never complained about their system. And the French love to bitch (not as much as the English, for whom moaning is an art form).