Can’t something like burning a public figure in effigy be considered a threat of violence?

Of course, that would then commence the howling that “jack-booted thugs” were stifling ‘free speech” so I guess not.

Hmmm, I might have to drive down route 29 on Saturday and have a look see at teh crazy first hand.

Burning the body (sometimes still alive) was the last step in most lynchings, a long and shameful tradition in Virginia history. Someone should tell these Danvillians to stop this plan.

Danville TEA Party Chairman Nigel Coleman said, “We were outraged to find that Tom Perriello had voted in favor of this bill. I was with dozens of 5th District voters in his office two days before the vote and we pleaded with him to stand with us against the Pelosi plan.”

“At this point we feel we have no representation in Congress.

Poor, poor thing. Funny, that’s EXACTLY how I felt from, oh, say January 2001 until, well, kinda still feeling that way to be honest. Maybe I need to go out burn some folks in effigy. I could certainly think of few. Be a big goddammed bonfire though.

Still watching for the anti-government forces to commence their book and flag burnings, but the burning in effigy of course is reminiscent enough of black magic, that fashions effigies to mimic the object of their encantations. How quaint and Early American. Will there be dunkings?

Can you imagine what “the authorities” would have done if we had burned Shrub in effigy? Geez, and the reichwingers wanna lock ya up and throw the key away for burning the flag.

Jane,

I keep getting a 404 error, page not found, on the “Dave Dayen last night” link.

Like to read that before I call.

Same old, same old … ReThugs throw a tantrum and the Dems bend over … what majority in Congress ?

Think you’ll find it’s fixed now. Leave word here in comments if it’s still giving you problems.

No, same error. Maybe this is another one that’s my machine only.

Sorry to have bothered. My machine can’t access The Seminal without tweaking it too. My machine is weird.

I was at that OFA event in LA where DDayen reported on Watson’s view on health care reform.

At one point during the proceedings, while folks were attentively listening to the platitudes from the warm-up speaker to Watson, I called out: “We are not going to sell out women’s health care are we?”

It seemed perfectly safe in a room of liberals, 65% of them women. I am NO troll and have worked hard to elect Obama and am helping run a successful phone bank on health care reform.

I got some admiring looks and a few of chagrin, and one women next to me also wanted me to understand that the perfect can be the enemy of the good.
I told her: “Leaving aside the issue of abortion rights for a moment, a two-tier system, with women’s health-care as second class, is not THE GOOD.”

I was referring to the post and link here yesterday that pointed out that birth control and doctor’s visits associated with the pap smear ARE NOT covered in the basic plan. I also have heard (emphasis on heard) that the current bill may allow charging women HIGHER premiums for their health care than men. Certainly, the entire rider idea behind abortion coverage enshrines that.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20091116/lerner

(I aint no saint. I got two daughters in their 20s, who are out of school. They are their sisters got rights. I dont like the idea of selling out those rights. What’s a fella to do?)

What scares me is that books will be next with
these morons~

Thank you! I think it’s fixed now. Does it work?

No abortions, no vasectomies.

Yep!!!

Thanks Jane. Just want to read that before I call.

Thanks again.

Nah — no abortions, no Viagra. That’ll really hurt ‘em.

“the perfect can be the enemy of the good”.

True, and so can THE BAD. So can retreat from what one already has. The Stupak Amendment will place millions more women in the situation that the Hyde Amendment currently holds women under Medicare. It will strip women who currently have abortion coverage in their insurance from such coverage if their employer opts to use the exchange or if she uses the subsidies that she, as a citizen of equal status to any other citizen, is promised.

How is that “good”?

Called. Machine. Left a message. Got cut off though. I was giving it to her. Didn’t know there would be a time limit.

Usually I get real people, is this because they’ve gone home on recess?

Dam, I didn’t think of that.

Have to try the LA office.

Okay, both.

oh those Democratic Progressives who were cajoled into taking the Pledge – they are now trapped between a rock and a soft, soft place.

On the one hand, the Party Leadership and the President and their oligarchic corporate allies, who credibly wield serious carrots and sticks.

on the other hand – the Progressive Netroots, who can be counted upon to vote Democratic, no matter what!

Worst case scenario, they might raise a few pesky primary challenges, but if they fail, back in the Big Tent they go.

Predictably, they fold up and skitter under cover of the flimsiest, sham ‘PO’ imaginable.

as seen with the Stupack amendment, capitulationism like this just makes the Democratic Leadership want to try to heap even more indignities upon their docile donkey followers – what will they come up with next?

And so how would you get single payer passed, o wise one?

You still haven’t answered that question, no matter how many times it’s been asked you.

I spent the morning communicating with people I’m friendly with in the choice movement (actually quite a few — it’s the leadership that sucks). They’re really wedded to the DeGette letter.

I said “as someone who has run that particular strategy, I have to tell you I don’t think it will work. It’s too late in the game.” I fear they are setting themselves up for a symbolic “win” in the Senate, which they will all celebrate, and then a conference version with meaningless tweaks to Stupak that will not keep him from celebrating. Jan Schakowsky will make a speech about how hard it is for her to do as a woman but she can’t — wait for it — let the perfect be the enemy of the good, and NARAL will tell their members to thank all of them for making this brave move.

I hope I’m wrong.

My understanding is that a lot of folks in the southern part of Perriello’s district who disagree with him nonetheless like the fact that he votes his convictions instead of what is politically expedient.

You might to reward good behavior in this case. So far Perriello has scared off several serious GOP candidates. Let’s hope this trend holds.

Funny, that’s not how I felt. I felt like I had a representative in Congrses, but he was outvoted by the jackasses from other states. And in some cases, he voted like a jackass himself. That’s not the same as not having any representation in Congress.

The extent to which the teabaggers have no knowledge of the American system of government, and in fact are actively opposed to it whenever it does anything less than wave their fondest wishes into law instantly, should not surprise me anymore. But it still does.

when will you demos learn that the demos do not represent you they represent big corp lobbysits.

they pretend to represent you to get your votes

this is no longer a republic this is corp fascism

capitalism demands that corp fascism take over a country

but we americans love our capitalism

now we pay the price and all we can do is blame wall street

they are only doing what capitalism idealogy tells them to do

profits over people even swine flu shots to those on wall street over children

wake up americans the few have control over your ignorance

they will not be happy until all of you are working two jobs and broke and in debt to them for life like slaves

go to a third world country and see the future of america

naw keep blaming wall street that is working so well

even the demos give them unlimited money to the few at the expense of the many. true third world status in america.

wake up americans you are being played by both the demos and repubs.

Perhaps a perfect effigy burning….

sorry.

Or we could start saving $700 BN; “Seven hundred billion dollars. That’s a ballpark estimate of how much money is wasted in the U.S. medical system every single year”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/bw/20091113/bs_bw/0947b4156034717852

You’ve already won. I’ve conceded. Working on any issue you support is just not anything anyone wants to do, because nobody will ever want to sit there and listen to that kind of sanctimonious scolding from their “allies.”

So now that you’ve insured that we won’t be sullying your fine cause with our help, can’t wait to see the results you produce on your own.

How is that massive third party revolt working out for you?

Have they no other playbook? This all seems dreadfully familiar.

No abortions-No sex.

Google bush burning in effigy, and get 339,000 hits.

Do these guys think they invented this type of protest?

You won’t be. That’s about exactly what’s going to happen, IMO.

The only alternative, IMO, is to kill the whole thing. And that’s why I hope that’s what happens. Although, to be honest, I don’t think that’s gonna happen either.

I think what’s gonna happen is a bill is going to pass, that does insure more Americans (but not all), so that’s the “good”, but it will have such a poor PO that it will not contain costs, and the cost pressures in future years will result in less folks qualifying for subsidies.

And the mantra of “health care reform” will be slipped under the rug for another 20 years.

And the damage to women’s rights will be real (not imagined) in that poor and working poor women will basically have no “choice” unless they can turn to “charity” abortions.

All in all, a bill that’s not got enough “good” to be worth sacrificing the “perfect” over. IMO. YMMV.

Creigh Deeds, master Democratic strategist, appears to have written the depress-the-base game plan for 2010. That his mentor Tim Kaine runs the DNC should comfort no candidate with (D) after her or his name next year.

Even the liberal The Nation now blames Howard Dean for his 2006 recruiting of all these Blue Dogs we are blessed with!

I think I just initiated a discussion page on Watsons face book page. Try to chime in here f-bookers.

We need to get rid of Fake Dems. If you can’t stand for healthcare if you can’t stand with the majority of Americans what good are you.

I used Yahoo and it looks like those are outside the US. I imagine I’d have been busted in LA but not in Baghdad.

Yeah, SD, I just googled it, got 35,000 hits (not 300,000), and I clicked on two pages worth, and not a single one of them were in the U.S. It had him being burned in India, Montreal, Baghdad, but I’m not clicking on anymore.

I would bet money that someone, somewhere burned in effigy in the US. But that google statement was pretty damned misleading. Sounded exactly like some of the right wing comments that some of those links pointed too.

By the way, one of the links was to this very article!

Got your back unleashed some rants tried to be short and not profane:)

Diane Watson is no progressive. She merely plays one in the kabuki theater of Congress.

Diane Watson would have the bad be the ally of the expedient.

To each his own. Frank Wolf has been my Congressman since the Reagan revolution in 1980.

And I don’t feel he’s EVER represented me, or my wishes, or my best interests.

so sad..no public option = no Dem Party

Jane,

I have a quick question from previous thread.

When you wrote “the only other realistic possibility on the table is the “Goldman Sachs” preferred bill,” were you referring to the “bull case” scenario as the “Goldman Sachs” preferred bill?

Options were: do nothing, the “bull case” scenario, the “baseline” scenario, or the “bear case” scenario.

(Sorry to bring this question to this thread, but I want to be sure I understand you correctly!)

I would bet money that someone, somewhere burned in effigy in the US

No doubt. But it was probably a lonely few radical anarchists, not participating in an organized event put on by a national organization funded by big corporations and actively promoted by a major cable news station.

Yeah, this is another example of IOKIYAR.

I know that none of the far out lefty orgs I’m associated with did. Figured it was a waste of time and effort.

I’ve been reading through some old FDL threads, and trying to connect some dots. My conclusion- Schakowsky has a lot to answer for in this whole mess, including why FDL funding got pulled by that “organization”. YMMV

I like that wennie out, but what can You expect from wennie’s. We saw them wennie against the Republicans for years, even wennie voting with them for the wars and the funding.

They sat back and wennied while the Republicans and teabaggers won August. They have wennied to let the Republicans wittle down everything they proposed. They even wennie out when a republican says boo. They even wennie when the bluedogs turn their balls blue, but think that’s flying the parties colors.

Oh to try and get them to wennie in for a change. Wouldn’t it be nice to see them like franks in a factory flying out the filling machine tied together at the ends like real wennies are made.

Vote for a wennie and get your dog cooked.

It pisses me off that the CPC whip isn’t stronger, but I think it was our mistake in asking for a pledge against opt-outs when unfortunately that’s virtually guaranteed to be part of the bill. If we had focused solely on opposition to triggers, we might have been a lot more successful.