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	<title>Comments on: Reid May Pay For Reform With Medicare Payroll Tax On Capital Gains</title>
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		<title>By: mikesong</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikesong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is great news (though not surprising.)

IMO, Specter is to stimulus as Snowe is to health care. I think Snowe will vote for it, despite what she said.  She&#039;s making a last ditch effort to shore up her numbers among Maine Republicans which are dismal.  Once she fails and realizes she can never win another Republican primary again, she&#039;ll have a new calculus.  I think she&#039;ll be more likely to vote for it than Lieberman or Nelson, who I don&#039;t think will...thus reconciliation will be the only route and Snowe&#039;s vote won&#039;t matter.  Anyway, no harm in talking to her, I guarantee Reid didn&#039;t give her hope on triggers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is great news (though not surprising.)</p>
<p>IMO, Specter is to stimulus as Snowe is to health care. I think Snowe will vote for it, despite what she said.  She&#8217;s making a last ditch effort to shore up her numbers among Maine Republicans which are dismal.  Once she fails and realizes she can never win another Republican primary again, she&#8217;ll have a new calculus.  I think she&#8217;ll be more likely to vote for it than Lieberman or Nelson, who I don&#8217;t think will&#8230;thus reconciliation will be the only route and Snowe&#8217;s vote won&#8217;t matter.  Anyway, no harm in talking to her, I guarantee Reid didn&#8217;t give her hope on triggers.</p>
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		<title>By: rafflaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>rafflaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forget about Snowe. She is part of the enemy.  She is part of the crowd that will not vote for any progress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forget about Snowe. She is part of the enemy.  She is part of the crowd that will not vote for any progress.</p>
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		<title>By: bmull</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Olympia Snowe told people in Maine yesterday she would not vote for health reform this year under any circumstances. She thinks we need more time to think it through. How this is different from what every other Republican is saying I&#039;m not sure.

Reid&#039;s tax increase on capital gains will generate $100 billion over 10 years. That&#039;s a significant watering-down of the House bill which will raise amost $500 billion from the millionaire tax over 10 years. By way of comparison the Cadillac tax will raise $200 billion during the first 10 years and much more after that.

I oppose using the capital gains tax to pay for reform, because Congress has shown tremendous willingness to lower this tax over the years, particularly in response to what other countries do. It is not a new secure revenue stream like the millionaire tax. I oppose the Cadillac tax because it violates Obama&#039;s pledge not to raise taxes on the middle class and falls disproportionately on the sick and on unions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Olympia Snowe told people in Maine yesterday she would not vote for health reform this year under any circumstances. She thinks we need more time to think it through. How this is different from what every other Republican is saying I&#8217;m not sure.</p>
<p>Reid&#8217;s tax increase on capital gains will generate $100 billion over 10 years. That&#8217;s a significant watering-down of the House bill which will raise amost $500 billion from the millionaire tax over 10 years. By way of comparison the Cadillac tax will raise $200 billion during the first 10 years and much more after that.</p>
<p>I oppose using the capital gains tax to pay for reform, because Congress has shown tremendous willingness to lower this tax over the years, particularly in response to what other countries do. It is not a new secure revenue stream like the millionaire tax. I oppose the Cadillac tax because it violates Obama&#8217;s pledge not to raise taxes on the middle class and falls disproportionately on the sick and on unions.</p>
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		<title>By: xargaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>xargaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harry Reid should be worrying about his own seat, and any compromise with Snowe is going to bode poorly for Harry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harry Reid should be worrying about his own seat, and any compromise with Snowe is going to bode poorly for Harry.</p>
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		<title>By: Teddy Partridge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teddy Partridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since 1991.

Under review now, they say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since 1991.</p>
<p>Under review now, they say.</p>
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		<title>By: Bluetoe2</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/11/12/reid-may-pay-for-reform-with-medicare-payroll-tax-on-capital-gains/#comment-60965</link>
		<dc:creator>Bluetoe2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unacceptable to the public but it would seem completely acceptable to Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unacceptable to the public but it would seem completely acceptable to Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: Loo Hoo.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loo Hoo.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The irony!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The irony!</p>
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		<title>By: Zorba66</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zorba66</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unbelievable, perris.  Hypocrisy, anyone?  OTOH, do we really want more Republicans being born?  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unbelievable, perris.  Hypocrisy, anyone?  OTOH, do we really want more Republicans being born?  ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: amghru</title>
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		<dc:creator>amghru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As progressives, our only real course of action at this point is to kill this corporate welfare/anti abortion rights bill. It is so bad that triggers and opt outs aren&#039;t going to make it that much worse. We need to just get the insurance reforms for pre-existing conditions and rescission past in stand alone legislation and either get back to it next year or just primary the whole lot of them out even if it means waiting until 2012 and primary Obama out of the White House. If we wait four more years to get a real progressive in POTUS and get reform passed that first year that goes into effect immediately (that used to be one of our prerequisites), it is still the same time frame as this turd they want to pass now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As progressives, our only real course of action at this point is to kill this corporate welfare/anti abortion rights bill. It is so bad that triggers and opt outs aren&#8217;t going to make it that much worse. We need to just get the insurance reforms for pre-existing conditions and rescission past in stand alone legislation and either get back to it next year or just primary the whole lot of them out even if it means waiting until 2012 and primary Obama out of the White House. If we wait four more years to get a real progressive in POTUS and get reform passed that first year that goes into effect immediately (that used to be one of our prerequisites), it is still the same time frame as this turd they want to pass now.</p>
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		<title>By: marxmarv</title>
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		<dc:creator>marxmarv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, so Mike Lux says we need to build something to improve upon.  Frankly the public option as a benefit plan will be just about useless, but there is something very interesting to establishing funding streams for an eventual single-payer system (and cutting the rich down to a reasonably large size).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, so Mike Lux says we need to build something to improve upon.  Frankly the public option as a benefit plan will be just about useless, but there is something very interesting to establishing funding streams for an eventual single-payer system (and cutting the rich down to a reasonably large size).</p>
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