Sen. Tom Carper (D-DE) is at it again. Not happy with all his previous terrible “alternatives” to the public option that he helped create, Carper is now crafting a top-secret new “Plan B,” according to the CongressDaily. Just how bad is Carper’s Plan B?Well, from what is being reported, it could be his worst idea so far.
The plan starts with a trigger:
In states where private insurers fail to offer affordable coverage, Carper said the alternative would permit them to set up a non-profit board, likely appointed by the president, to offer insurance.
“That kind of approach might come close to hitting a sweet spot for a lot of people,” said Carper, noting the approach “addresses concerns about government-owned, government-run.”
So, Carper’s idea is to take Olympia Snowe’s worthless trigger idea (which already should have 60 votes if no liberal Democratic senators bolt), and weaken it further for no reason. Instead of it being a trigger for a public option, it would be a trigger to set up a state-based non-profit company with zero government oversight:
A Senate aide said the plan, still being worked out, would initially be run by the government but that its leadership would later be turned over to a non-governmental entity.
Carper is “trying to put something together that would actually have some sort of point at which the government is not responsible [and an] organization, likely a nonprofit of sorts” takes over, the aide said.
Does that sound familiar to anyone? It should because that is nearly identical to Conrad’s co-ops idea, which the CBO already labeled as worthless. Conrad’s idea was for the government to help set up state-based, non-profit, non-government entities to sell health insurance. Except, Conrad’s co-ops would be available right away without a trigger. Olympia Snowe voted for Conrad’s co-ops idea in committee, so it should also be able to get 60 votes if liberal senators stay on board.
What Carper did was take the two worst aspects of the two most worthless ideas (a trigger and zero government oversight), and combine them into one super-awful proposal. The entity created is not national, would not be large enough to negotiate low rates, would not be available on day one, and would not answer to Congress. Carper has created a “trigger for co-ops” proposal in an attempt to get 60 votes, but, not only would the idea do nothing to help control costs, but it needlessly weakens two worthless ideas Snowe already supports.
Ah, but here’s the real kicker:
The Democratic aide said staffers have tried to keep Carper’s alternative quiet due to concerns that publicity could draw attacks from liberal activists, which could complicate efforts to line up support from the full Democratic caucus.
This is what makes Carper’s “Plan B” a double assault on the American people and the Democratic base. It is a completely worthless idea that will do nothing to keep the private insurance companies honest or bring down cost. It is nothing more than a fig leaf to pretend that they did not completely kill the public option, which is what Carper’s proposal would do.
Secondly, it is an assault on the American democratic tradition of transparency and open debate. This is the kind of secret, backroom dealing that Obama campaigned against. This is a personal slight against me as a health care policy writer, it is an assault against the blogger community as a whole, it is a secret attack on the supporters of a public option, and is really an offense to the entire country. Carper knows his Plan B is a worthless proposal that could never withstand true scrutiny by experts. That is why he is purposely not letting the American people know what it is, so they can’t debate its merits (or lack thereof) until it is too late. Congratulations Carper, you outdid yourself with this new, new, new “alternative.”




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I think it’s Daschle and Emanuel in the cloakroom with a lead pipe
Isn’t “non-profit” how Big Blue got its start?
If a ‘robust option’ is not the Dems final answer then the Dems can kiss their ‘blue dog asses along with their whole Party ( our Party ) goodfukinbye.
Yes in fact about half the insurance companies are still legally non-profits
Since no reform package will garner any Republican votes, who is Carper trying to please? Let’s see, could it be… SATAN?
Close enough. Here is a list of Carper’s contributors by industry. Nearly a quarter million from insurance companies.
It can’t be Daschle and Emanuel as they don’t have a…Clue :)
Now I want to secede. Imagine a tool like this being elected if the people knew how he was trying to kill them?
I don’t want anything to do with the East and south any more. The west needs to settle things and disengage. There is plenty of loony to go around out here, but it isn’t as crazy as thinking elected officials you get bribes as large as their annual salary every few weeks are going to do anything for us.
Let’s count the real reps, Sanders, Merkley, Feingold, Kucinich, Massa, DeFazio. Who else fits the list of worthwhile representatives? Wyden has a lot to make up for being in Baucus’ gang. Rockefeller has been mighty quiet lately. Some are hanging on the edge with their mugwump, but don’t realize it’s time to get off. It’s pretty short list, but shouldn’t we know?
Scumbags.
Obama gave up on health care reform a long time ago and for one simple reason. It was hard.
could it be any clearer that some senators are just trying to come up with things that will keep them on the gravy train with the insurance lobby or get them moved up closer to the overflow from the corporate insurance slop bucket.
So where do you stand FDL? You keep pointing out that this bill is a piece of rotting fish, yet you seem to continue to support it.
Why don’t you just come clean and help us kill the bill? Both sides of the aisle want it killed albeit for varying reasons. Or are you going to support a bill that sends us back to coat hanger days? Nice job.
Lets see a little more honesty here, although the reporting has been excellent.
I’m sorry. I’ll go back and read this later. I really just can’t take any more of this shit. Look, guys, this is what you do. Give me a fucking card. I get sick. I go to the doctor. I give the receptionist my card. It has my picture, fingerprints and says “I was born in the USA and pay taxes and don’t know anyone who has so much as ever said the word ‘abortion.’ Promise” I give my card to the doctor and say “Make me better.” I wait 17 months (so I’m told) get seen and get better. i walk out and don’t worry about a fucking bill or fucking collection agencies calling me for a nickel and dime co-pay and ….aaaarrrrrggggghhhhhhhh!!!!! make it stop!!!! make the health care “debate” stop!!!!! I can’t take it!!!!
If any of this shit being kicked around passes I still get my insurance through my employer. same. If I lose my job, I’m fucked. same.
{sigh}. oh, man. i’m tired.
OK. I started to read it and got to “trigger” and had bile or something in my throat. I’ll have to take this post in small bites.
It would be just great if no one in the Congress had a new idea. They just get worse and sillier. Can’t believe some of these people even got elected.
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this is as dead as triggers. no way it gets 60 votes in the senate, or even 200 in the house. the opt-out public option will get passed in reconciliation.
I love it when conservadems negotiate with themselves by offering ever-worse compromises with each other… and in the end, their pointless self-negotiation doesn’t convince a single rethug, or even trolls spawned under Connecticut bridges.
What it really sounds like is the old non-profit Blue Cross/Blue Shield structure.
Read the NYTimes about Maine’s “health reform”, its a mess and every issue occurs due to a compromise or capitulation to Anthem/BC/BS (though the article never comes right out and says it). All these bills make the same mistakes at a national level.
David Dayen has a fresh cross-post up: “Blackwater Bribed Iraqi Officials After Nissour Square Massacre”
So right.Look who showed up to speak to the Dems in the Senate yesterday about HCR.
The same guy who now runs around getting fat donations for his foundation from the super wealth & Corporations.Yes, the same guy who in the 90′s had no problem sending American manufacturing jobs overseas & who continued his predecessor’s caress with Corporations, not even fighting to keep Glass-Steagall act in place to protect Americans.
And he was invited to speak to Senate Dems by Harry Reid & Rahm Emanuel.So now, do you really expect anything worthwhile to come from the Senate ?
I have always said Harry Reid’s stance on HCR is bogus.It’s a way to make folks think he his doing his mighty best to get a robust PO.
And by the way ,he is up for re-election in 2010 in Nevada.The gullible will think Harry really fought for the PO but just didn’t have the votes but if you re-elect him he will fix it.Same script Obama used in the GE,elect Obama Prez and he will fix FISA.
If Reid is so into a Robust PO then why does Lieberman still command chairmanship of a committee.Lieberman says publicly he can’t support such a bill.
Once again we are being set up for the inevitable,Pie in our face.The only drama now it seems to me is how quickly will the so called “progressives” in the Senate get run over.