The Stupak amendment reaches far beyond any of the reporting so far. It could effectively stop many employer-provided health insurance plans from covering abortions for tens of millions of Americans. It reads:
In General – No Funds authorized under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act) may be used to pay for any abortion or to cover any part of the costs of any health plan that includes coverage of abortion, except in the case…[of a risk of death of the mother, rape, or incest].
The big problem is that HR 3962 touches many insurance plans directly and indirectly.
Of course, there is the new exchange. The exchange has a risk adjustment mechanism that will help redistribute premiums among all the plans on the exchange based on the characteristics of each plan’s risk pool. The goal is to prevent cherry-picking and risk selection by insurance companies. The CBO projects that roughly $64 billion will be redistributed by the risk adjuster. Therefore every plan on the exchange will probably get some money from “this Act.”
If the risk adjuster does not make every plan on the exchange run afoul of the Stupak amendment, the guaranteed issue clause will. Insurance plans must accept all comers. This means each plan on the exchange would have at least one customer using tax credits, so no plan on the exchange could cover abortion. (Unless insurers could use the amendment to discriminate against low income Americans by offering abortion coverage and avoid being part of the exchange risk adjustment mechanism.) This is a serious problem because, as Dayen points out, the goal is to eventually expand the exchange to cover more and more people.
The plans on the new exchange are only a minority of insurance plans financially affected by HR 3962. The health care reform bill would also provide for a $10 billion temporary reinsurance plan for employer-provided insurance plans that cover early retirees. The reach of this temporary reinsurance plan could be huge, and, therefore, the reach of the Stupak amendment could be huge. Many large businesses, which employ tens of millions of Americans, would probably take advantage of the program. Since these large employer plans are getting some money from “this Act,” they could be required to stop providing coverage for abortions because of the Stupak amendment.
HR 3962 also provides money for “wellness program grants.” This money goes to small employers that offer wellness programs as part of their employer-provided insurance plan. Since these insurance plans would technically be getting funds from “this Act,” they might be forced to stop providing coverage for abortion.
The Stupak amendment would not just stop the insurance plans for the roughly 30 million people on the exchange from covering abortion. (That assumes the exchange is not expanded like some hope it will be.) There are many parts of the bill that provide some direct money to many employer-provided insurance plans. There is the retiree reinsurance plan, the small business tax credits, and the wellness program. A literal interpretation of the Stupak amendment could force employer-provided insurance plans to stop covering abortion for tens of millions of Americans. The long reach of the Stupak amendment could have huge ramifications on the current aviability of insurance coverage for abortion services.




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I’ll tell you how we get choice;
insist pregnancy is covered by every insurance company as law
they would much rather pay for abortion over pregnancy and they will loby for covering said choice
NARAL has grown soft in the veal pen, has taken Roe v. Wade for granted even though public opinion on abortion has been eroding.
Perhaps the Clinton era law providing a buffer area around clinics has lessened the urgency and taken abortion rights off of the public’s political radar.
Under these conditions, can the political party that is supposed to represent feminism throw women and reproductive services under the bus for a single Republican vote.
Such symbolism is the same as the tendency for traditional Mexican men to blow his nose on a woman’s skirt to just to prove to all who owns whom.
This attack on women, combined with the loss of Question 1 in Maine demonstrated that it is okay during times of economic stress for the dominant culture to slap around minorities in order to compensate for insecurity.
But surely this amendment would not apply to rich white women, right? That should be obvious. Next you’ll be trying to tell me that Rush Limbaugh’s drug abuse is somehow the same as some kid smoking pot.
It seems like the one eternal principle in the USA is that of the double standard.
“You’re in Good Hands, With The American Taliban.”
Exchanges, options, exceptions, bullshit… How nice of Congress to come up with even more bureaucracy and overhead costs for an already overpriced, failed system of health care delivery.
Medicare for all is what we need. Kill this stinking bill.
A literal interpretation of the Stupak amendment
What else is there? “The four corners of the page” is the phrase that comes to mind.
Thanks to all those in Dem leadership who felt it necessary to punch a hippie in the face, even if it meant facilitating an end to reproductive choice in America.
This was not what what I had in mind when I heard “We are the ones we’ve been waiting for. We are the change that we seek.”
Stupid me.
Fear not, Lone Wolf Lieberman will protect us all according to his conscience. There’s a lot of that going around lately.
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Jon Walker and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
The Stupid Amendment is an opportunity to put a stake through the heart of the beast that is the anti-abortion movement and force a final resting place for this lunatic issue as politics. If the Democrats in the Senate force the amendment to get 60 votes on the floor and then strip the God damned thing from the bill in conference and then hit every single Democrat who votes for the thing in either house with a primary challenge, I guarantee that no matter the outcome of the primaries, the anti-abortion lunatics will be finished as a force in American politics. In the process NARAL and NOW will be forced to clean house and become a vanguard representative for women and families while the people in every district in the country will be forced to face the question of the tax exempt status of churches that actively politic from the pulpit.
It is time to kill the politics of fascism and in the process break-up the astro-turf army that covers for corporate interests in every political designation in the country…if Obama is as smart and opportunistic a politician as he has made himself out to be he will seize the moment and even if he doesn’t we can force ‘im to do the right thing…he can’t win an election for dogcatcher anywhere without us.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, TIME TO FIGHT AND NOT RUN!!
Just don’t let Stupack be a straw man that distracts us from all the other serious flaws with this legislation.
I’m starting to wonder if this wasn’t just a ploy to make progressives feel so good if they pull out this amendment that we happily accept all the other horrible stuff in the bill.
I second that. But I’ve been playing wack-o-mole for months. Every bad idea must be struck down quickly and hard.
i think stupaks braggging was premature. this POS wont make it into the senate bill.
Citizen Sufilizard:
We haven’t even come close to the point of killin the entire bill and at this point the Stupid Amendment is the poison pill that needs to be tossed out. Each step of the way in this fight we must be learning and organizing and we must keep our eyes on what is in front of us and kick all the shit outta the way as we go along. Don’t even think about cuttin’ off our legs because we have a sore toe…there are a lot of possibilities for a final bill that will advance the movement toward true national healthcare.
Citizen solerso68:
Even if it doesn’t make it into the Senate version, we must follow this thing right into the monster’s den…the fascists pulled this thing out so now we must knock it right back down their throats and with it the entire anti-abortion movement.
Stupak = DINO
Heavens to Murgatroid! Are you people still stewing over Stupac?
I think you all need to step back a couple steps and look at the overall picture. I mean you got 99% of what you wanted in the health care bill and most of you will get coverage for free after the tax credits and such. The small part you didn’t get isn’t that big a deal really.
Listen, I’ve not seen any stats on this but logic suggests an unwanted pregnancy and the unwanted child it produces is more likely to (1) be on welfare (2) be physically abused by a parent (3) do poorly in school (no encouragement at home) and (4) drift into a life of crime (no love at home). Our elected officials are dumb but they aren’t that stupid. All of the above would put pressure on scarce resources and it would make sense (even to them) to allow abortions. The bill will get changed either before it is signed into law or before it actually takes effect.
The people who are for this amendment site things like women who’ve had ten or twelve abortions which unfortunately has happened in some cases but in the end an abortion is cheaper to all of us than an unwanted child.
So just chill.
Last, but certainly not least…..scientists at NYU have discovered that abstinence can greatly reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies. *f*
Citizen WVMJ:
Yes he is and that’s why the leadership has gotta have it beaten through their heads that they can’t use theses DINO’s to triangulate the base out of the game. Pelosi let this happen to humble us progressive trouble makers and DFH’s, now what we hafta do is take her actions and cram ‘em up her scrawny ass.
Citizen tinman:
Ok you had your 15 seconds of sunshine…now back under the bridge before you figure out that the emperor has your cloths on.
I hope you’re being sarcastic here, but just in case.
No cost controls, no bending the cost curve over time, kneecapped public option, no medicare rates +5, no negotiations for drugs, preservation of private insurers by coercing individuals and corporations to purchase their product, and now a demonstrative act of misogyny?
All of this just to get the insurers to honor their contracts honestly?
I can’t even see how this legislation positions us in the right direction for future reform.
I’m with you Norske. I just want to make sure people keep focused on the big picture.
If you take one small turd off the triple-decker shit sandwich, don’t think it’s suddenly going to be yummy.
There may be a time where we have to shift into Kill Bill mode, but that time is not here yet. We can still take a couple of shots at the end zone before time runs out.
I am against having my tax dollars being used for “elective” abortions. Have come to terms with my own personal feelings towards the death of innocents in unnecessary wars and via abortions..
Yet I am pro choice. It is a personal choice and a tough one
Had no idea how far the Stupak amendment goes. So wrong
tee hee…good one
anyway, nobody wants to be abstinent, except of course those who are married, they seem to think since they can’t be having sex then single people can’t either
btw
abstinence teaching to prevent pregnancy is counter productive for preventing pregnancy…this is a statistic those who do not want abortions need to address…abortion goes down under “liberal programs”, it goes up under “concervative programs”… education is the best method for preventing unwanted pregnancy and abortion, “abstinence” is not a serious option as a program, it can be added to a program but no program can even suppose it might work all by itself
asking someone to not have sex is a little rediculous but some people actually believe it can work…go figure
What’s missing is understanding on the part of liberal/progressives that the anti-abortion fanatics have been fighting a culture war.
Pat Buchanan spoke their truth in his famous address to the GOP convention. Opposition using logic and cost effectiveness, even human compassion or possible defeat in elections will not drive the stake home.
Sometimes I think we are just too sane for our own good. (smile)
Has CBO scored the effect of the Stupak amendment?
After all, pregnancy costs a lot more than abortion.
hahahahahaha
This is what you get for not sticking up for the American people with single payer and even the public option.
Hopeychange is all about restricting abortion. He is a pathetic, weak stream who has given up on change a long time ago, during Reagan era, and thrown his lot in with the Blue Dogs and Republicans to further his own career.
hahahahahaha
These will be the Democratic lawmakers that will end abortion rights, hard fought for over decades. Shameful.
But why would we expect anything else?
If the Republicans and Blue Dogs wanted to go back to “white people only” Hopeychange would probably do it to save his own sorry, sorry behind. Which wouldn’t, but just the idea of getting some illusional, fake clout probably turns him on.
Countries like France, Germany, and The Netherlands routinely cover abortion in their national health plans, and have some of the lowest abortion rates in the world. Conversely, countries such as Brazil, where abortion isn’t covered because it’s illegal and birth control is hard to get, have the highest rates of abortion, and the highest maternal death rates.
It’s bad enough that our government has seen fit to deny equal treatment of those who would avail themselves of a perfectly legal medical procedure. Now, this Stupid Amendment threatens to derail health care reform as it would reach out and imperil existing private insurance coverage. Those who would deny free choice are disrupting the reform process by injecting their anti-abortion agenda into the mix.
I wonder about health insurance that would cover abortions. I’m sure that it is more complicated than I think, but perhaps an insurance company could profitably issue policies just for a possible future abortion. This might be low risk, and thus low cost, since it seems unlikely that a high percentage of a large group of women would
actually need an abortion. Just wondering.
homer http://www.altara.blogspot.com
It is my understanding, and I may be wrong, that this ammenmend considers EVERY insurance plan offered on the proposed “exchange” to be receiving a tax dollar subsidy by merely existing on the exchange that was created using federal dollars. Therefore no plan offered in the exchange would be allowed to offer abortion coverage to anyone even if the individual didn’t receive a subsidy to help pay fot the insurance.
So, what would STOP the right from taking this one step further?
Every federal employee currently buys their health insurance through an existing federal government insurance exchange. That is a FEDERAL insurance exchange. That exchange was created with federal TAX funds. Wouldn’t that mean that no insurance policy on the exchange used by federal employees could offer abortion coverage?
Yep, it’s kind of the same as asking people not be gay or if they are gay, not to engage in sexual “behavior” because the bible says it’s wrong.
It doesn’t work that way.
This is the first step for the conservatards to overturn Roe.
It’s here for me. I’m done with this crap.
One benefit: I can stop being mad at Lieberman’s attempts to derail the bill in the Senate. Let this turd die.
I agree with tropicgirl…
Let me add that the Stupak amendment is nothing but a red herring. You see, here’s the game that we liberals are supposed to get sucked into: find a blue dog democrat who will introduce an amendment that we liberals are guaranteed to be upset about. We liberals then are suppose to waste our time getting angry and “fighting” to remove this amendment, yet all the time we are fighting emotionally we are really supporting this garbage healthcare bill. Once Stupak goes down (as it’s suppose to), our emotionally capital has now been transformed into supporting a healthcare bill that we have been hoodwinked and bamboozzled into indirectly supporting. As Malcolm X said, it’s a con game: one pretend he’s for you and the other pretends he’s against you.
The Democrats have screwed this up so badly from day one (January 21, 2009) that one would have to assume that they WANTED the outcome to be this way. Democrats do not understand that the passion created in providing them with the majority was not a passion to compromise but to utilize the will of the people in doing the RIGHT thing, not in compromising to keep elected officials into office. If democrats don’t believe that democratic ideas are right and just, why be democrats?
Obama has squandered the largest mandate for change since FDR. No one is going to charge the hill if you aren’t out there leading. We should be encouraging democrats to vote against this bill, start over with single-payer, and compromise from that position. I can’t tell everyone else what they should do, but Obama, with Geithner and Summers and Emanuel and Iraq continued and Afghanistan continued and renditions continued and Wall Street looting continued (in short, Obama has not changed one major George W. Bush policy since taking office) has poisoned me on the democrats. I’ve officially been an independent since July ’09. I’ll vote for another democrat again AFTER you prove yourself with credible ACTION, not based upon a PROMISE of “change we can believe in”…
Here is an e-mail I just sent to Bob Casey:
Dear Senator Casey,
I strongly urge you not to introduce an amendment mirroring the Stupak amendment to the Senate health care bill. Though I believe that it will not be able to get the 60 votes needed for inclusion, the act of offering an amendment that will aggressively attack a woman’s right to reproductive services is a betrayal of a guiding policy principle the Democratic Party has stood for the past 40 years. The Hyde provisions already in the legislation from both committees are restrictive enough. As I have indicated to you in prior communications, I and other Democrats voted for you to vote the opposite of Rick Santorum not just like him. Your anti-progressive/anti-civil rights voting record has insured that I will work actively to ensure that you are not re-elected. Introducing an amendment this restrictive will be political suicide for you in 2012.
Again I urge you not to co-sponsor and or introduce a Stupak amendment in the Senate.
Medicare also has it’s “STUPAK Amendment”…it’s called the Hyde Amendment. Women on Medicare cannot use the support for an abortion. Something on the order of 40% of all childbirths are covered by Medicare. But not a single abortion.
Tinman…you are correct on all those points about the economic and social costs of unwanted pregnancy. But I have one word for you.
Medicare.
The Hyde Amendment has been operative for poor women on Medicare now for decades. So the fact that fiscal conservatives and social progressives have a common interest here means nothing. The Stupaks, Hydes, Gingrich, and yes…the Ron Pauls…have no qualm about imposing these burdens on poor and lower middle class women and young girls.
As understand it…the Federal Health Insurance (including military) cannot provide abortion coverage due to the Hyde Amendment. This is a major issue in the Federal services and military. It would be interesting to find out whether the women in these obtain coverage as individuals. How do they join together as a group without using Federal resources? Are insurers or organizations that might negotiate lower insurance prices banned from advertising in Federal facilities (media) because they offer abortion services. Are the prices high because people must seek out individual coverage?
I despise the House bill that passed and I hate the Stupak Amendment. I also can’t stand the Senate bill. I’m sick and disgusted with this whole process to reform health care by increasing profits for insurance companies and Big PhRMA.
Single payer or nothing.
Consider what this means to women (and families) in the workplaces where there is employee-employer jointly sponsored plans.
Their abortion coverage in their pre-existing plans would be eliminated by STUPAK if their employer opts to join the exchange or receive any form of subsidy (such as these wellness programs). This could result in huge conflicts in the workplace over whether to shift to the exchanges, or accept federal health grants…or women facing the sudden surprise that they have in fact LOST their abortion coverage when they need it. How many Benefits Offices reveal the changes they are considering to their workers? Usually, unless the union is involved, it’s handed down as a fait accomplis.
That’s exactly why I didn’t enter the priesthood. That, and the fact I’m not Catholic.
Say what?
It is not the Stupak amendment. It is the Stupak-PITTS amendment. DO NOT absolve the Republicans of this travesty! It was designed by Pitts of PA-16, make no mistake about it.
If you don’t believe me, listen to Jeff Sharlet:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#33814086
Yes, I agree.
Senate says NO to Stupak
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/10/boxer-senate-has-votes-to_n_352064.html
The House vote was all political theater. It was cover for Dems from conservative districts.
Why do people put up with conserva Dems ?How have they helped the Dem party & the country ?
For chrissakes! they are Republicans who can’t embrace the overt racism of the GOP so they seek refuge in the Dem party.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen more ignorance, stereotyping, and utter foolishness in a single comment ever.
Congratulations.
Begin by repealing the Hyde amendment which is illagal on its face for running counter to Roe by impeding women’s access to the legal medical procedure of abortion. Or let the SC review Hyde and kill it. Also put a stake through the heart of fake Christian “Family” at C Street where Stupak and Pitts live and call for investigation of their tax exemption as a “church” (ha!) given cult was founded in 1935 as a political group to fight FDR’s New Deal and the union movement and The Family’s leader says “You guys are here to learn how to rule the world.” (How “Christian” is that?) Women — and all Americans affected by these two legislators, “Stupid,” er Stupak and “The Pitts” — are being had because of a lazy-minded passive emotional fear of losing a few Republicans and pro-life Dems. Stupak is no Dem in my book. We have to fight these little rats.
Sheer majority rule in Congress doesn’t make Hyde legal or Constitutional.
An abortion is nearly always an elective procedure- why should it be covered by health insurance? I don’t want my premiums going to pay for some woman to have an abortion, just like I wouldn’t want to pay for her to have LASIK, a boob job, or any other non-essential operation.
If someone chooses to have an abortion, let her pay for it out of her own pocket!