Comments on: Surprise! Ben Nelson Demands The Stupak Amendment

By: mapsguy1955

mapsguy1955 — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:51:32 +0000

I have a (probably) stupid question. Why the hell do the people who write the bills allow these people to add amendments to a bill they aren’t even going to vote for? Do we really think Ben Nelson will vote for a bill with a public option… period? it seems to me that we don’t get anything positive out of these negotiations.

By: PPDCUS

PPDCUS — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:20:05 +0000

P.S. Counting on the teabaggers to self immolate the republican party before 2012 won’t save democrats who are rope-a-doping themselves into a bottomless pit of political ignominy.

By: PPDCUS

PPDCUS — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:07:06 +0000

America’s Rovian Knot & Obama’s Folly

This isn’t about counting votes, or what’s likely to emerge from conference on health care reform.

Karl Rove’s plan advances apace. If the republicans had really been serious about winning in 2008, they never would have nominated the Manchurian Candidate & Caribou Barbie. Their leadership knew that after eight years of Bush/Cheney wrecking the country economically, financially, socially, diplomatically, militarily, and constitutionally, they could dump this catastrophe on a democratic president with majorities in both houses of congress and blithely run against their own failures by branding them as Obama’s.

Stupak/Nelson is a political suicide pact with independent thinking women across the nation. Without their vote in 2010 & 2012, this will be a one term administration.

Note to Rahm: Don’t bring a rhetorical knive to a tactical nuclear results exchange, unless you fully intend to lose and then cash your chips in on K Street.

By: PJEvans

PJEvans — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:05:45 +0000

You think?

By: Teddy Partridge

Teddy Partridge — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:28:26 +0000

Okay, another question about reconciliation: when does that decision get made? Will Harry bring the bill to the floor under “regular order” hoping Lieberman (and now Nelson) will come along at the end of the debate despite their protestations now? And then, if these two (and others) remain stubborn and won’t vote to end debate, can the “regular order” be overturned so reconciliation rules apply?

Or do we need to count on Harry’s counting skills from the beginning? And count on his trust in Lieberman as well?

By: flounder

flounder — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:11:43 +0000

I think back to 1935 and the birth of Social Security. Was only available to white men, except those who were farm workers (b/c opening it to farm laborers might have meant a black man somewhere would have accidentally gotten Social Security).
For everyone to get covered took another 15 years of fighting.
We are living the same horseshit over again. We are not any more advanced then we were 80 years ago.

By: indiepro

indiepro — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 23:01:57 +0000

one of many dealbreakers. But this one is a slap to the face!! and a backstab!!

By: ekhornbeck

ekhornbeck — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:55:51 +0000

Hurray dk!

What did I say about bullshit again?

A deal breaker.

Period.

By: jenjen

jenjen — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:51:45 +0000

Is there language in Stupak relating to Health of the Mother or Rape?

By: mikesong

mikesong — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:14:09 +0000

well said, dkmich. i want lieberman to filibuster not so much because reconciliation will produce a very different bill, but just to piss off those who believe in Senate tradition.