The Stupak amendment would prevent any private health insurance plan from covering elective abortion, if even one of its customer used even one dollar of affordability tax credits. The problem is that the Stupak amendment will conflict directly with other parts of the bill. The bill would require “guaranteed issue.” This means that any insurer offering coverage to individuals on the health insurance exchange must accept all customers.
If the insurance companies offering plans on the exchange are not allowed to turn down any customers, it means no basic insurance plan on the exchange could cover abortion. There would be no way to prevent that at least one of the plan’s customer would be using affordability tax credits to help purchase the plan. So the effect is no plan sold on the exchange could offer abortion coverage as part of its basic package.
The contradiction could be solved in a different manner. The decision could be that insurance companies who offer plans covering abortion on the exchange would be allowed to turn down customers using affordability tax credits. This would create a dangerous loophole for the new guaranteed issue rule. This could lead to the ghettoizing of the health insurance exchange. Insurers would know that offering plans that cover abortion would prevent low income Americans from being able to sign up. Low income Americans tend to have higher medical costs and are less profitable, less desirable customers. Offering abortion coverage would be a simple way for an insurance company to keep them out of their risk pool. Since the exchange has dangerously weak risk adjustment mechanisms, this Stupak Amendment could become a profitable tool used by insurers to discriminate against low income Americans.
It seems the Stupak Amendment would either effectively ban any basic health insurance plan sold on the exchange (the individual and small business market) from covering abortion or would create a way to discriminate against low income Americans. Either way the Amendment will have far reaching ramifications for our health care system.





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That this may become passed today & potentially become law is appalling, & a disgrace to the Dem leadership. We obviously didn’t elect them to deny women equal reproductive rights.
I’d like to be able to pick & choose where my tax dollars go based on moral considerations, too. I’d choose zero dollars for the wars, Guantanamo, & extraordinary renditions. But I don’t get to choose. Why should those who hate abortion get to pick & choose where their tax dollars may go & thereby deny women their rights?
A lot of it goes to those individuals who are not yet convinced that women are in fact human. As long as they can pretend otherwise, they will keep proposing and pushing sh*t like this from Stupak.
They don’t think women are human…even in Congress they treat them like second class citizens underserving of respect.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/07/i-object-tom-price-tries_n_349587.html
Thanks Jon. Another really good one. Increasingly, I think the Democratic Party is just non-viable for progressives. It just makes too many compromises. We need a new Party of really pro-life people dedicated to ending the 45,000 annual fatalities due to lack of insurance and putting no other priorities in front of that one.
Yay – terrific! A very timely bump to the front page as it won’t be too long till the Stupid Amendment comes up on the floor.
They really don’t like women but they surely don’t mind using them. The Rs are lucky that any women will have anything to do with them…..and even then they have to pay.
I have been e-mailing each of the businesses who donated to Stupak’s campaign. Let them know you, family and friends will not do business with companies who support politicians who limit the freedoms of women.
SOT but much is being made by the Dems about the increase to 150 per cent of the poverty level for Medicaid, the program for low income people. Here’s what has happened in CA for those people ;OR the ‘newly eligible’ people under this bill:
Reduction Medi-Cal Benefits
Effective July 1, 2009, and until the state law is amended, Medi-Cal will no longer pay for some benefits. Find answers to questions you may have regarding these changes on your benefits. If you don’t find an answer to your question below, please call 1-888-284-0623. This toll free number will remain available through September 11, 2009. After this date, please call (916) 636-1980. Have your Benefit Identification Card (BIC) number ready before calling this number.
Important: All the questions and answers provided here apply to the benefits that Medi-Cal will no longer pay.
These benefits are:
a. Acupuncture (use of small needles to treat pain and other problems)
b. Adult dental services
c. Audiology services (hearing exam)
d. Chiropractic services (manipulation of spine)
e. Incontinence cream and washes
f. Optometry services/Dispensing Optician/Fabricating Optical Lab (eye exam and eye glasses)
g. Podiatry services (care of the feet)
h. Psychology services
i. Speech therapy services
All of your other benefits that are not listed above will remain the same.
So one’s teeth can rot until an extraction is necessary because that will be paid for; got a vision problem preventing you from a job or drivers license? Tough shit.
Thinking of killing someone? forget about counseling. About to lose yur job because you can’t hear what the boss is saying and he’s getting real tired of repeating himself? Too bad.
BUT you are now eligible for Medicaid.
The Great Orange Boehner is up, yakking about the Stupid Amendment – looking to demand guarantees again. Rayne should be doing a double shot of Jaegermeister about now I do believe… :)
Lysistrata anyone?
Boehner again asks for a guarantee that the Stupak Amendment will be maintained in conference.
Oh, John Garamendi up!
That’s a long list of what I consider necessary benefits. Sorry for being stupid, but how does Stupak’s Federal Bill affect what CA offers?
Clever, and better memory than mine.
I’ve been watching the R’s today, and all that came to mind was “The Frogs”
Boehner has an appointment in a spray-booth, and he has to watch the clock.
Go Garamendi
thanks jon. excellent catch.
I must be evil.*g* My fantasy is to get the R’s wives to sign on to a
nationwide ‘non’ performance.
Republicons are such jagoffs.
What the heck right does the Boner have to ask for guarantees – FU Johnny
You’re on to something, as it would be relatively easy.
All the wives would have to do is hide the Viagra, diapers & wetsuits and voila!
No big deal they will just go to C Street
wow. that’s another reason the MA reform is superior to what it sounds like the fed gov is doing. we don’t have medicaid any more. we still get the medicaid $$$ from the fed, but it is used in the commonweath care exchange (our exchange for subsidized plans, commonwealth choice is the unsubsidized exchange). you can check out the subsidies, plans, etc at the links
Pay an exterminator to tent “C” street. I’m sure it needs it.
So this is the “democracy” the U.S. wants to shove down the throat of the rest of the world at the point of a bayonet and the barrel of a gun? The world is waking up to the fact that the U.S. is a failure and their notion of “democracy” is a sham if not a shame.
My response in Michigan- Stupak is a sell-out. Many will be shocked at his brazen attempt to put forward this position which is promoted by he and 20 other males in congress and they are espousing the position of the “bishops” more males led by Rome. Great. Such disrespect for women. And the Democratic party. And the health of our public. Why isn’t he more concerned about rural northern michigan women who have breast cancer and no insurance? Why isn’t Stupak concerned about all the death in the wars we wage for resources? He maintains his oun “conscience” at the expense of too many who are relying on him. He did not do the right thing. One may only guess why. Perhaps he is positioning to run for governor- if so he has now lost the vote of many who trusted him. Amazing that he thought he could obstruct Democratic health care legislation- unless it is ok with Pelosi- who wouldn’t let single payer stand up in the process. Medicare for all should be open to anyone who wants it.
We need the names of the 32 Dems voting “NO!”
Here we go – Stupid Amendment up
Stupak!
fucker – could someone please apply the Heimlich Maneuver to this idiot?
(not that he’s actually choking or anything)
Primary This Asshole !!
Stupak is a Vatican planted mole.
DeGette! [She's mine, thank dawg!]
So is the awesomeness of healthcare in the Amerika going to make women second class citizens? In Europe their would be riots in the streets and these Vatican moles would be running for their lives from outraged citizens.
She kicks ass.
Lorena Bobbitt
Da pope – he no likey da Democrats.
ergo – Stupak is no Democrat.
and I figure the jury is still out on Stupak’s humanity.
Why the fuck would Stupak, ostensibly a Democrat, insert this fucking poison pill?
Who gives a rats ass about polls? By now everyone knows that most Amerikans are ignorant know-nothings.
Let us NOT go there.
Wonder if Stupak has a daughter. No doubt he has a Stepford wife.
Why indeed…
Go where?
holy fuck – Stupak has a bunch of D co-sponsors?
When do we start demanding that the tax dollars we send to Washington not be used to fund the Defense Department and their genocidal policies?
Yes he does, and it’s maddening
He had two sons one of whom died
Yep. They were there with him last night. All in bed with Chris Smith and his ilk. It was stunning to watch.
Why do I continue to support this feckless D party?
It’s well beyond time for a 3d party.
Nita Lowey just laid it out plain and simple
Why don’t we demand that churches guilty of sex crimes lose tax exempt status.
The Catholic Church. Now there’s a funding stream.
I’ve been watching CSPAN for a little over 4 hours now, and the pace and intensity is picking up IMO; do others see the same thing?
And I’m getting this pins and needles feeling just like a year ago June, when retroactive immunity was getting shoved in, then the new FISA passed.
Agreed!!!!!!!!!!!!
this is disgusting.
And now, a 2d Indiana Congress-idiot is on his feet.
fuck it – I’m moving somewhere where the people are smarter and the weather is warmer.
Barbara Lee picking up on my 1st Amendment argument.
Americans are high on the opium of religion.
This is restricting a legal choice for women- to seek a legal procedure and even with their own funds! That is what he will overturn. Stupak is way out of line and the speaker allowed this shit to hit the floor. But no single-payer. Noooooooo. Stupak is hypocritical and if he is using this issue to patently seek the position of Governor in Michigan- then he is even worse than we thought.
dday has a new debate thread upstairs
I don’t want my tax payer dollars funding the Defense Departments genocidal policies.
David Dayen is upstairs!
Stupak Amendment Debate Begins
dday’s upstairs
whoops I feel a bit redundant
Hardly any Daniel Websters in the House.