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	<title>Comments on: Lessons Learned in VA, CA and NJ:  Is Rahm Emanuel Orchestrating 2010 Democratic Massacre?</title>
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		<title>By: bailey2739</title>
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		<dc:creator>bailey2739</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 03:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even that would be ok for some.  My read is he&#039;s as amoral, narcissistic &amp; shortsighted as Chauncey &amp; Billy C.  The horror is the timing, the country really needed what he was selling!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even that would be ok for some.  My read is he&#8217;s as amoral, narcissistic &amp; shortsighted as Chauncey &amp; Billy C.  The horror is the timing, the country really needed what he was selling!</p>
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		<title>By: mattcarmody</title>
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		<dc:creator>mattcarmody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 02:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And if you overlook the six degrees of separation thingie because before Clinton named him Treasury Secretary in 1995, Rubin was co-chairman of Goldman&#039;s Executive Committee. He didn&#039;t go to work for Citigroup until AFTER he&#039;d helped derail Glass-Steagall and get the WTO going.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And if you overlook the six degrees of separation thingie because before Clinton named him Treasury Secretary in 1995, Rubin was co-chairman of Goldman&#8217;s Executive Committee. He didn&#8217;t go to work for Citigroup until AFTER he&#8217;d helped derail Glass-Steagall and get the WTO going.</p>
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		<title>By: LibWingofLibWing</title>
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		<dc:creator>LibWingofLibWing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 01:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Obama, fire this Rahm Emmanuel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Obama, fire this Rahm Emmanuel.</p>
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		<title>By: sporkovat</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/11/04/lessons-learned-in-va-and-nj-is-rahm-emanuel-orchestrating-2010-democratic-massacre/#comment-58853</link>
		<dc:creator>sporkovat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dear pointus:

The Democratic Party has been slapping progressives recreationally for more than 20 years - &lt;em&gt;that is what they do!&lt;/em&gt;

what could explain anyone being surprised about it anymore?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dear pointus:</p>
<p>The Democratic Party has been slapping progressives recreationally for more than 20 years &#8211; <em>that is what they do!</em></p>
<p>what could explain anyone being surprised about it anymore?</p>
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		<title>By: beowulf</title>
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		<dc:creator>beowulf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re absolutely right that the insurance mandate is a built-in poison pill.  This isn&#039;t rocket science, if the IRS is enforcing a legal requirement to pay money... its a tax.  However, the only forms  taxation that are constitutional are indirect taxes (i.e. taxes related to an event such a sales transaction or, amusingly, death) and direct taxes authorized by the 16th Amendment (on &quot;income, from whatever source derived&quot;). 

The Medicare FICA contributions are taxes income (they cover the universal Part A hospital insurance, the Part B outpatient coverage is voluntary, no senior is mandated to pay premiums unless they choose to).  If Social Security FICA taxes was uncapped, and the overage allocated to Medicare, that&#039;s an additional $200 billion in (constitutionally raised) tax revenue.  If unearned (i.e. investment) income was subject to the FICA rates and investors paid only the 7.65% individual rate it&#039;d raise another $180 billion, that sum doubles if the full 15.3% (individual plus employer rate) were applied.  If that&#039;s still not enough money then (per Laurence Seidman&#039;s old &quot;Health Card&quot; proposal) make the deductible and copayment rates progressive by tying them to reported income.
http://www.udel.edu/PR/UpDate/94/8/5.html

Even conservatives who argue the constitutional issue recognize how easily Congress could avoid this impending trainwreck:
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Of course, these constitutional impediments can be avoided if Congress is willing to raise corporate and/or income taxes enough to fund fully a new national health system..&lt;/em&gt;
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/21/AR2009082103033.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re absolutely right that the insurance mandate is a built-in poison pill.  This isn&#8217;t rocket science, if the IRS is enforcing a legal requirement to pay money&#8230; its a tax.  However, the only forms  taxation that are constitutional are indirect taxes (i.e. taxes related to an event such a sales transaction or, amusingly, death) and direct taxes authorized by the 16th Amendment (on &#8220;income, from whatever source derived&#8221;). </p>
<p>The Medicare FICA contributions are taxes income (they cover the universal Part A hospital insurance, the Part B outpatient coverage is voluntary, no senior is mandated to pay premiums unless they choose to).  If Social Security FICA taxes was uncapped, and the overage allocated to Medicare, that&#8217;s an additional $200 billion in (constitutionally raised) tax revenue.  If unearned (i.e. investment) income was subject to the FICA rates and investors paid only the 7.65% individual rate it&#8217;d raise another $180 billion, that sum doubles if the full 15.3% (individual plus employer rate) were applied.  If that&#8217;s still not enough money then (per Laurence Seidman&#8217;s old &#8220;Health Card&#8221; proposal) make the deductible and copayment rates progressive by tying them to reported income.<br />
<a href="http://www.udel.edu/PR/UpDate/94/8/5.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.udel.edu/PR/UpDate/94/8/5.html</a></p>
<p>Even conservatives who argue the constitutional issue recognize how easily Congress could avoid this impending trainwreck:<br />
<em><br />
Of course, these constitutional impediments can be avoided if Congress is willing to raise corporate and/or income taxes enough to fund fully a new national health system..</em><br />
<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/21/AR2009082103033.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/21/AR2009082103033.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: pointus</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/11/04/lessons-learned-in-va-and-nj-is-rahm-emanuel-orchestrating-2010-democratic-massacre/#comment-58844</link>
		<dc:creator>pointus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No doubt Rahm pressured Pelosi to drop state single-payer (Kucinich amendment).

What else could explain such a slap in the face of progressives?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No doubt Rahm pressured Pelosi to drop state single-payer (Kucinich amendment).</p>
<p>What else could explain such a slap in the face of progressives?</p>
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		<title>By: kindGSL</title>
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		<dc:creator>kindGSL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You don&#039;t have to do polling, you can ask me. It was the result of my religious freedom political action project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t have to do polling, you can ask me. It was the result of my religious freedom political action project.</p>
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		<title>By: kindGSL</title>
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		<dc:creator>kindGSL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of their problem is there is no other viable choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of their problem is there is no other viable choice.</p>
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		<title>By: CasualObserver</title>
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		<dc:creator>CasualObserver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And yet, strangely, it&#039;s that Grayson guy who is the problem--not all these Republicans running around with &quot;D&quot; after their names:  &lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/01/weekinreview/01herszenhorn.html?_r=2&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;House Democratic leaders&lt;/a&gt; publicly frown on his behavior and have urged him to tone it down, saying he contributes to an atmosphere of incivility&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yet, strangely, it&#8217;s that Grayson guy who is the problem&#8211;not all these Republicans running around with &#8220;D&#8221; after their names:<br />
<blockquote>&#8220;<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/01/weekinreview/01herszenhorn.html?_r=2" rel="nofollow">House Democratic leaders</a> publicly frown on his behavior and have urged him to tone it down, saying he contributes to an atmosphere of incivility&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: kindGSL</title>
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		<dc:creator>kindGSL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;will [] try to re-define a populist, conservative attack by asserting that the White House has been captured by Wall Street.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And they will be right. They are getting winning ideas like that from listening to me. I want to start a new party and although I keep talking to the left, the right keeps hearing me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>will [] try to re-define a populist, conservative attack by asserting that the White House has been captured by Wall Street.</p></blockquote>
<p>And they will be right. They are getting winning ideas like that from listening to me. I want to start a new party and although I keep talking to the left, the right keeps hearing me.</p>
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