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		<title>By: letsgetitdone</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/11/03/what-happened-in-virginia/#comment-58433</link>
		<dc:creator>letsgetitdone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 02:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, both McAuliffe and deeds made me gag from the beginning. Who, after all, has been as corrupted by big industry as Terry McAuliffe. The thought of Terry being Governor is just beyond belief.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, both McAuliffe and deeds made me gag from the beginning. Who, after all, has been as corrupted by big industry as Terry McAuliffe. The thought of Terry being Governor is just beyond belief.</p>
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		<title>By: letsgetitdone</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/11/03/what-happened-in-virginia/#comment-58432</link>
		<dc:creator>letsgetitdone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 02:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian Moran was the right candidate. McAuliffe split the liberal base into Clintonites and the Obama progressives. The result was that Deeds got in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian Moran was the right candidate. McAuliffe split the liberal base into Clintonites and the Obama progressives. The result was that Deeds got in.</p>
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		<title>By: tmullins</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/11/03/what-happened-in-virginia/#comment-58406</link>
		<dc:creator>tmullins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2 words -   TIM KAINE   http://www.wisecountyissues.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2 words &#8211;   TIM KAINE   <a href="http://www.wisecountyissues.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.wisecountyissues.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Teddy Partridge</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/11/03/what-happened-in-virginia/#comment-58401</link>
		<dc:creator>Teddy Partridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Almost invariably, the drumbeat about the new President is slightly negative one year later.  The exception, of course, was Dear Leader in 2001, but the Democrat (Mark Warner) won anyway.  

I worked in politics back in the seventies, and while I don&#039;t have it at my fingertips, the differences between the national (civil rights) Democratic party and the Virginia (segregationist) Democratic party mean that prior to 1977, the subsequent gubernatorial race was quite unrelated to the national presidential race.

By which I mean: the 32 years of unwavering history you cite is, for all intents and purposes, the entire history of the modern Democratic party as regards the South.  So, we can reliably say that the gubernatorial race has ALWAYS gone to the party that lost the presidency, at least in the modern alignment of our political parties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Almost invariably, the drumbeat about the new President is slightly negative one year later.  The exception, of course, was Dear Leader in 2001, but the Democrat (Mark Warner) won anyway.  </p>
<p>I worked in politics back in the seventies, and while I don&#8217;t have it at my fingertips, the differences between the national (civil rights) Democratic party and the Virginia (segregationist) Democratic party mean that prior to 1977, the subsequent gubernatorial race was quite unrelated to the national presidential race.</p>
<p>By which I mean: the 32 years of unwavering history you cite is, for all intents and purposes, the entire history of the modern Democratic party as regards the South.  So, we can reliably say that the gubernatorial race has ALWAYS gone to the party that lost the presidency, at least in the modern alignment of our political parties.</p>
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		<title>By: Teddy Partridge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teddy Partridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terry was the spoiler; Brian Moran would be winning this election in a runaway today, and would certainly have beaten Deeds in the primary if not for Terry&#039;s entry.

It had nothing whatsoever to do with the primary wars; Terry is no liberal, he&#039;s a corporatist Democrat who nearly destroyed our national party as DNC chair.  Letting him loose on Virginia electoral politics was a terrible mistake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry was the spoiler; Brian Moran would be winning this election in a runaway today, and would certainly have beaten Deeds in the primary if not for Terry&#8217;s entry.</p>
<p>It had nothing whatsoever to do with the primary wars; Terry is no liberal, he&#8217;s a corporatist Democrat who nearly destroyed our national party as DNC chair.  Letting him loose on Virginia electoral politics was a terrible mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: Phoenix Woman</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/11/03/what-happened-in-virginia/#comment-58375</link>
		<dc:creator>Phoenix Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=29261&amp;cpage=2#comment-1426814&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Calouste over in the comments at Balloon Juice&lt;/a&gt; points out the following (and he left out CA-10, too -- &lt;a href=&quot;http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/12639&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;which is going to go to John Garamendi, a much more liberal Dem than Ellen Tauscher, who he&#039;s replacing)&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Yesssss…, considering that both Virginia Gov and NY-23 should be surefire losses for the Dems under normal circumstances (Virginia Gov has gone against the part that held the White House since the 70s), and New Jersey Gov wasn’t that hot for the Dems either with an unpopular incumbent. All three going to the GOP should be considered a marginally good night for them. One of them going to the Dems should be considered a marginally good night for the Dems. Of course it will be presented by the old media that 2 out of 3 is a huge win for the GOP, and 3 out of 3 will have some of the blowhards wondering why Obama isn’t stepping down already.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=29261&amp;cpage=2#comment-1426814" rel="nofollow">Calouste over in the comments at Balloon Juice</a> points out the following (and he left out CA-10, too &#8212; <a href="http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/12639" rel="nofollow">which is going to go to John Garamendi, a much more liberal Dem than Ellen Tauscher, who he&#8217;s replacing)</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Yesssss…, considering that both Virginia Gov and NY-23 should be surefire losses for the Dems under normal circumstances (Virginia Gov has gone against the part that held the White House since the 70s), and New Jersey Gov wasn’t that hot for the Dems either with an unpopular incumbent. All three going to the GOP should be considered a marginally good night for them. One of them going to the Dems should be considered a marginally good night for the Dems. Of course it will be presented by the old media that 2 out of 3 is a huge win for the GOP, and 3 out of 3 will have some of the blowhards wondering why Obama isn’t stepping down already.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: whataretheysmoking</title>
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		<dc:creator>whataretheysmoking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i thought about donating to deeds, but decided it was better to let fundie misogynist win. 

1. &#039;cos those who vote for him deserve him. 
2. we don&#039;t need any more blue dog turds in the hallways of power. 

if a true progressive wins the primary and acts like one, may be i&#039;ll donate. 

i refuse to support blue dogs over republicans. they are the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i thought about donating to deeds, but decided it was better to let fundie misogynist win. </p>
<p>1. &#8216;cos those who vote for him deserve him.<br />
2. we don&#8217;t need any more blue dog turds in the hallways of power. </p>
<p>if a true progressive wins the primary and acts like one, may be i&#8217;ll donate. </p>
<p>i refuse to support blue dogs over republicans. they are the same.</p>
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		<title>By: TomPaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>TomPaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the Democrats lose big on the Virginia statewide and House of Delegates
races, Ben &quot;turncoat&quot; Tribbett can take some part of the blame with Creigh Deeds. He has used his blog the past several months to trash progressive Democrats who deigned to disagree even slightly with him on issues.

Check his blog to see who posts there now; nearly all are right wing Republicans. Real Democrats are disgusted with Ben and no longer trust him!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Democrats lose big on the Virginia statewide and House of Delegates<br />
races, Ben &#8220;turncoat&#8221; Tribbett can take some part of the blame with Creigh Deeds. He has used his blog the past several months to trash progressive Democrats who deigned to disagree even slightly with him on issues.</p>
<p>Check his blog to see who posts there now; nearly all are right wing Republicans. Real Democrats are disgusted with Ben and no longer trust him!</p>
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		<title>By: fuckno</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/11/03/what-happened-in-virginia/#comment-58351</link>
		<dc:creator>fuckno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing certain - Southerndragan,on principle. shows way more class than you do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing certain &#8211; Southerndragan,on principle. shows way more class than you do.</p>
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		<title>By: fuckno</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/11/03/what-happened-in-virginia/#comment-58350</link>
		<dc:creator>fuckno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I expressed a curiosity about the genesis of the name on a progressive blog.

@ 60 Southerndragon ended with xin loi, which pointed to the genesis, and my curiosity was satisfied.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I expressed a curiosity about the genesis of the name on a progressive blog.</p>
<p>@ 60 Southerndragon ended with xin loi, which pointed to the genesis, and my curiosity was satisfied.</p>
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