Jason Altmire seems to think that if Democrats get their asses kicked today, it just proves he’s right about everything:
Rep. Jason Altmire (D-Pa.) argued that an election night rebuke for Democratic candidates across the nation could lead some in the party to rethink their plans on healthcare reform and other issues.
“It looks as though the anger that has been boiling up the last couple of months is going to lead to a pretty high turnout from Republicans and from people who are concerned about increased spending,” Altmire said Monday evening during an appearance on Fox Business Network.
“And I do think that if the results show Republicans have a pretty good night, that probably is going to lead some Democrats to think that, going into next year, we need to take a second look at the way that we’ve done a lot of bills we’ve addressed up to this point,” the Pennsylvania congressman added.

Give me a minute while I clean my keyboard of all the coffee that just came out my nose.
The teabaggers who are going to drive through a tornadic supercell unleashing hail stones the size of golf balls to get to the polls today do not have a particularly nuanced view of health care.
The problem that Democrats will have at the polls is not motivated Republicans, it’s unmotivated Democrats. Altmire has taken $118,000 in campaign contributions from health care interests this cycle, and activism from the Democratic base (you know, the “motivated” ones) has made it difficult for him to deliver on donations from Humana, Wellpoint and BlueCross/Blue Shield.
Even in relatively conservative states like Arkansas and Indiana, polling indicates that Democrats are less likely to vote for Blanche Lincoln (by a margin of 49%) and Evan Bayh (by a margin of 51%) if they oppose a public option. And Independents are breaking with Democrats on the issue. So, I’m not quite clear who Altmire is planning to motivate with poll-swarming zeal by deep sixing it.
Maybe the rich comprise a better percentage of the Democratic base than I thought, because that’s who Altmire seems to be fighting for:
- July 17: Altmire voted “no” as a member of the Health & Labor Committee against 3200 because of wealth surtax.
- September 11: Altmire: “I – I’m speaking for myself, I think that the public option may, if it’s done correctly may be a part of the package and could play a role. As Congresswoman Woolsey described, it would have to [be] airtight, completely self-sustaining, not funded through taxpayer subsidies, and have to meet all the same insurance regulations. So, I don’t think that is the sticking point for the Blue Dogs and the moderate members. I think what we are most concerned about is we have to do this in a fiscally responsible way.”
- September 22: “Altmire’s chief complaint about his own chamber’s bill was the inclusion of a surtax on the wealthy. But he said he didn’t expect that provision to make it through, and he signaled that excluding it would allow him to vote for the final bill.”
Altmire is a former lobbyist for UPMC, the huge hospital chain and health insurer with $5.5 billion in annual revneue. He joined the Blue Dogs earlier this year. As a second term Congressman from a conservative leaning district who came into office based on high Democratic turnout in 2006 and 2008 elections, he seems to be remarkably blithe about the interests of those he needs to show up for him.
(photos by bluejeantshirt)




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Gawd I love Howard Dean: the most interesting race today is the one the Republicans already lost….
Altmire’s not just a sellout tool, he’s a stupid sellout tool.
If he’s trying to suck up to Republicans, he needs to do so on FOX News itself, not the worthless FOX Business Channel, which is far outstripped by most any local cable-access channel in terms of viewership.
Conventional Inside Beltway reaction to practically any issue is; “Dems must move rightward to succeed”.
I’m not getting the Howard Dean reference, it wasn’t in the story above. What am I missing?
Vast stupidity and corruption apparently go hand and hand.
New cartoon from Tom Tomorrow:
“Joe Lieberman, the most important politician in all of human history”
http://images.salon.com/comics/tomo/2009/11/02/tomo/story.jpg
A perfect storm at the polls. Sure. Whatever they say. These acts of desperation are embarrassing to watch.
I, for one, am VERY concerned about what’s going on with the lunatic fringe of the right. Liberals like to laugh and encourage the split within the Republican Party, but the ascendancy of such extremist views is not good for America even if it may temporarily hurt the Republican Party (which I’m not even convinced it will, with Democrats so gung-ho about undermining their own base).
Fascists movements throughout history have often begun as fringe movements, not taken seriously by the establishment. I’m afraid we may be seeing the beginning of a very dark time in American history.
Instead of discounting these whack-job wing nuts who have taken over the Republican Party, we need to stand even stronger against dangerous extremism.
The Hill posts it’s latest – now with more centristy goodness
So… unneeded invasion and endless occupation, state-sponsored torture and unlimited surveillance… all this and much more cheerfully endorsed by “the Agent of Change”… we’re sure in the sunshine right now.
Gee , it’s funny, how many of ‘em get in there and then promptly forget who sent them there
And we get to pay them for treating us like “subjects.”
Swell.
I agree with you whole heartedly. And, it’s so ironic that the people who hold signs showing Obama with a Hitler moustache are the ones who are walking down a path towards a dangerous extremism that might look like the Germany their posters are imaging.
Who is to make sense of a crowd that can’t decide if Obama is a fascist or a communist?
That’s a good one. Dem leadership keeps repeating the same actions with Joe and expecting a different outcome. Good luck with that.
The problem is not so much the teabaggers, but the progressives and liberals who are disillusioned and not likely to fall for the bait and switch again.
Some of you all might be too young to remember, but in 1976 when Reagan challenged Ford for the GOP nomination, he was resoundingly laughed at.
The best way to move our agenda is to mobilize our people. The best way to mobilize people is to get them involved in a campaign that has measurable successes to make it worth their while to take time from work and family.
Only when we are mobilized can we laugh at the tea baggers. Otherwise, they can just as easily eat our lunch.
Obama is creating the conditions where he antagonizes both the tea baggers and his base, leaving him with only his corporate allies for whom he is disposable, not an enviable position for a politician to find himself in.
I do think that’s comical that they don’t seem to be able to tell the difference. I guess what it really means is “you’re not us” and that seems to be all they care about.
The problem is that the extremists are being being taken in by the mainstream GOP and the centrists are being purged from the party.
I mean to these fringe people Newt Gingrich is too far left !!
In light of their complete ignorance of history it is not ironic so much as iconic. If Adolph had known that the only thing future generations would know about him is that his mustache is a universal symbol of evil he might have called the whole thing off and stayed in bed.
Seems to me that there is no mainstream GOP. The “leaders” and elected GOP made a deal with the wingnuts and now the tail is wagging the dog. The wingers are causing the party to get smaller and tighter – that’s what a black hole does. I say let the wingers finish off the GOP as fast as possible.
Talleyrand famously observed after the doomed Borbon Dynasty was returned to power that the Borbons had “learned nothing and forgot nothing.” Sadly, it seems the Blue Dog budget concern trolls are Borbons.
When the damn house is on fire, it is no time to worry about the damn water bill!
Yes, good catch on the subliminal message. Shouldn’t take for granted the astroturf ops, either.
We’ve been talking about a third party emerging from our current political mess. Maybe there will be four parties. Fringe batshit R’s, Regular Greedy Selfish R’s, Cowardly Spineless Dems and The Real Peoples Party of Liberals who value Human Life.
Okay, I know I’m being snarky, and that’s probably not a fair statement. Shoot me.
Speaking of which, even more of you may not remember that a significant number of liberals sat out the 1968 election, throwing it (shades of Florida 2000) to Richard Nixon. Humphrey lost that vote by about one vote per precinct. Had all the Dems showed up, he would have won, we would not have had Watergate, and what is even more important, we would not have had Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and company.
It is partly projection, around the time everyone started to be aware of the strong-arm bullying tactics employed by the Bush/Cheney Junta conservatives began applying the “fascist” label to every adversary. “Islamofascist” is a prime example.
throughout this epic fight, had thoughts that providence was merely training and conditioning us for what will surely be the armagettiton of all political battles: Campaign Finance Reform
Who is to make sense of a crowd that can’t decide if Obama is a fascist or a communist?
What – those aren’t the same thing?
(I just gotta adjust my viewing habits).
heh.
T’were good snark, you characterized the political factions accurately. Bob laughed when I read it to him.
Reaching a singularity, with infinite density and zero volume. Super-duper-stupor.
That is going to be pistols at 20 paces. I agree with you. We need to keep the big majority for that one but we also need some very strong leaders – ahem – where ever they are.
If it is Republican it must be a white hole.
Sorry for the reply delay. At the same time as this post went up, Dean was on MSNBC, with great clarity. He is a real leader, and I appreciate his directness.
LOL
Pure and untainted – preferably descended from the Mayflower bunch.
We need to keep the big majority for that one but we also need some very strong leaders – ahem – where ever they are.
As yet unelected, I’d say.
A dissertation is waiting to be plucked like low hanging fruit. Someone ought to study the (abnormal) psychology of the teabaggers.
Yeah, really. Especially with the revisionist version of history including that the Holocaust didn’t actually happen.
Hitler would have been the first one to call his opponents “Nazis” if it had had the same meaning then. Hypocrisy is one of the strongest cards fascists have to play.
I’m just saying, the parallels are pretty scary. Hitler’s movement went from a laughing stock to absolute power in a fairly short amount of time. I have to wonder if he would have been as successful if his political opponents had taken him more seriously, earlier.
Dylan Ratigan’s closing comment today on the importance of people staying engaged. Vote today. Keep in touch with your Congresspeople.
The ObamaSurge has gone back to sleep, so it seems in VA today, notes Norah O’Donnell.
Meanwhile Catholic Bishops directing pastors to oppose the healthcare reform bill.
We’ve got our work cut out for us.
I too appreciate Dean, that’s why I was wondering what I missed. Thanks!
Do you remember how Bob thanked me yesterday? So, from now on, it’s Presley. Bob Presley.
…four parties. Fringe batshit R’s, Regular Greedy Selfish R’s, Cowardly Spineless Dems and The Real Peoples Party of Liberals who value Human Life.
Largest party –> Cowardly Spineless Dems.
Smallest? —> Real Lib’s who Value Human Life.
I think.
It is disturbing to watch them. It’s almost like watching someone (or lots of someones) have a complete breakdown right in front of you. They definitely need to be studied in a “know your enemy” sort of way.
I’m taking these folks seriously. Right now. Seriously.
Altmier is my congresscritter, and his ties to UPMC (locally known as the Evil Empire) is the biggest reason I didn’t support him during the 2006 primary. However, electing him in the general did get rid of the horrible Melissa Hart. Loyal Bushie Mary Beth Buchanan (our former US Attorney who was deeply involved in politically motivated prosecutions) is rumoured to be running against Altmier in 2010.
Barring a primary challenge from a progressive Democrat who can also win in the general, I’m afraid we’re stuck with Jason.
Umm, Twain. I resemble that remark. But, I didn’t do it on purpose. Or, did I? I’ll tell you what though, it wasn’t easy or fun being raised with the Puritan Work Ethic.
If they know about it at all. You’ve probably seen the surveys of HS seniors indicating a large percentage cannot identify (within a half century) when WWII occurred and believe the U.S. and Germany were allied against the Soviet Union.
Best to take survey results with a grain of salt. I’ve also seen some that claimed 48 percent of adults in the U.S. did not know that oatmeal is made from oats and 52 percent did not know white bread is made from wheat.
That we do.
I think the only hope in turning back the reich-wing tide is to re-energize our base. It doesn’t look like the current leadership is going to inspire us with their bold action. So maybe the only way to energize the Democratic base is to emphasize how absolutely frightening the alternative is. The right has employed a tactic for decades of decrying anything to the left of Attila the Hun as “Liberal.”
Maybe we need to borrow that one from their play book. It should be easier for us since we don’t have to lie in portraying how dangerous these right-wing extremists really are. We need to come right out with words like “extremists” and “fanatical” and repeat, repeat, repeat.
Viewing note from one of my pub enews sources — Plouffe on Daily Show tonight.
Bob says, “Viva demi!”
Time for me to sneeze the day. See ya later.
I’d have to do a lot of research, but I was just verbalizing out loud here (in my house) that I think that the increased presence of the Right wing fundamentalst Evangelicals in our government might have some influence on these Teabaggers, for lack of a better term. They preach Don’t Think. Take everything literally and don’t ask questions. Even if something doesn’t seem to make sense, just do it anyway. Blind faith could be our undoing.
But, just for fun, I think I’ll maybe do some googling this afternoon, after I get my chores done. If I find anything intersting, I’ll post a diary.
The lunatic fringe gets more media coverage , and therefore appears to the general public to have the mainstream or prevalent view .
Had fun poll-standing this morning in a different part of town than where I vote. It’s a privilege to volunteer. Being an Independent, I get a chance to talk about and examine all sides of the issues important or germane our city.
I didn’t find any extremer-screamers out at 6 a.m. this morning to talk to the people voting before their workday begins. The Repubs and Demos I spoke to were thoughtful, reasoned folks, interested in discussing solutions that better their community.
While I understand the points posted Sufilizard and demi, I kinda got a feeling that these teabagger Americans are lazy and really don’t contribute to or work for their espoused cause. They’re just coming along to view the hangin’; cowards and simpletons love mobs…even better if it gets ‘em on the teee-veee. They’re good for one vote one day, then they’ll pick up the next fad hate-rant even if it is diametrically opposed to their previous one. Since they are largely unable to communicate in a constructive way, they have difficulty spreading their message anywhere but to each other. Sooner or later they’ll tire of it, or be so reduced to penury by the wealthy corporates they shill for that they’ll be too weak to crawl to the voting booth.
I hope you’re right. But as a student of history, I’m still concerned.
Proving once again that:
1. contributions from corporations trump votes from citizens, everywhere and every time.
2. media speculation on the outcome and meaning of elections is nothing more than mental masturbation, and is not nearly as entertaining as the term might imply.
the fact that none of them have even mentioned Garamendi’s lead pipe cinch today underscores your point quite nicely
Sara Robinson concurs
yay !
A-yep.
I also think Howard Dean’s analysis is spot-on.
However, most polls show the American public is most concerned with financial and economic issues, not health care…altho health care legislation does impact personal finances(see personal bankruptcies due to health care costs).
I favor a public option on health care, and I think the majority of Americans concur with that.
But Americans are most concerned with whether they will have a job tomorrow, and even if they do, whether their job will pay as much as it did in the past.
Obama and Democrats need to respond to this angst. The fact Obama(like Bush)authorized huge federal bailouts of institutions whose managers, through greed and arrogance, brought the international financial system to the near-abyss, only goes to show that he too is unaware of reality.
Americans are outraged that these whiz-kids who manipulated the system get federal bailouts, while they themselves struggle to make ends meet.
Not quite. Obama is counting on corporate interests for money and black America for votes. Wherever black America goes, Obama will have to follow. In the the swingers (OH, FL, etc), where black turnout was significantly higher for Obama than it was for Kerry, the jump was around 10%.
Medicare For All / HR 676: the healthcare face of an economic revolution in front of a social movement
so the lesson from your little anecdote is – don’t involve the country in costly, failed, deadly, missionless wars, like the Democratic Party under Johnson did, because eventually people will not vote for the party that just promises to stupidly ‘stay the course’ until they get to the ‘light at the end of the tunnel.’
the lesson is not to those who wisely decided not to waste their votes on a warmonger, but on the Democrats in power not to perpetuate stupid wars.
if they do, and then lose by a few votes, so what? they brought it on themselves, and Obama seems determined to repeat the same mistakes in his quagmires in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Just took my four-year-old son to the polls, where he joined me in the booth, watched me flip the levers, and then got to slide the giant red lever to the left to record the vote. Dialog immediately afterward:
Him: What did you voted for?
Me: I voted for mayor, and city council, and comptroller.
Him: Did you voted for food?
Me: [pause] Yes. Yes, I voted for food. Now let’s go have some lunch.
[We walk for a city block.]
Him: I’m hungry. Come on, let’s go eat the food that you voted for.
[No less surreal than the actual campaigns.]
you are so correct.
As a committed liberal I have had a belly-full of Blue Dogs like my Senator
Evan Bayh. If this sorry excuse for a Democrat votes against the public option, I will be forced to vote for his Republican opponent next time around. I have never voted for a Republican but if I am going to be represented by someone with Republican ideals, I may as well vote for one that has the courage to call himself a Republican.
Move On reports over $2M committed to primary any Dem Senator that filibusters health care reform. That’s in the one day since I received an email with “the nightmare scenario” subject line asking for pledges.
Altmire might want to take note. The people we’ve been waiting for are still organized and activated. “Yes we can” is about us, and we’re fulfilling our promise.
Wow. Wish I’d written that.