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	<title>Comments on: Join Me &amp; Medical Students Today to Treat, Not Trick For Generic Drugs!</title>
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		<title>By: Mauimom</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/30/join-me-medical-students-today-to-treat-not-trick-for-generic-drugs/#comment-57621</link>
		<dc:creator>Mauimom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope it&#039;s being delivered by a Land Shark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope it&#8217;s being delivered by a Land Shark.</p>
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		<title>By: Mauimom</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/30/join-me-medical-students-today-to-treat-not-trick-for-generic-drugs/#comment-57620</link>
		<dc:creator>Mauimom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Have you contacted the Code Pink folks? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh please!!!

Code Pink is SO counterproductive, making every issue they &quot;demonstrate&quot; on appear to be a joke.

Only &quot;contact&quot; them to give them the wrong address.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Have you contacted the Code Pink folks? </p></blockquote>
<p>Oh please!!!</p>
<p>Code Pink is SO counterproductive, making every issue they &#8220;demonstrate&#8221; on appear to be a joke.</p>
<p>Only &#8220;contact&#8221; them to give them the wrong address.</p>
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		<title>By: RossK</title>
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		<dc:creator>RossK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to dosido@7, twain@8 and Jane@14:

And most germane to the moment...

As was discussed yesterday - once you have a system that is set-up to pay the (ridiculously inflated) bills, well, then the gouging really starts.

This is our experience in Canada - and it is really a heavy burden on the Universal system because: 

1) It ratchets up rationing due to exorbitant costs (eg. you get hard cut-offs for drug use based on diagnoses that often have considerable subjectivity in them)
2) It quickly becomes unsustainable cost-wise, which is then used (as is happening up here, right now) as a rationale by the neandercons for going to a &#039;two-tiered&#039; system.

_____
(I&#039;ve written a quite a lot about the latter at my place; &lt;a href=&quot;http://pacificgazette.blogspot.com/2008/03/who-will-stop-tier-mongering-of.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&#039;s an example if anybody&#039;s interested&lt;/a&gt;)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to dosido@7, twain@8 and Jane@14:</p>
<p>And most germane to the moment&#8230;</p>
<p>As was discussed yesterday &#8211; once you have a system that is set-up to pay the (ridiculously inflated) bills, well, then the gouging really starts.</p>
<p>This is our experience in Canada &#8211; and it is really a heavy burden on the Universal system because: </p>
<p>1) It ratchets up rationing due to exorbitant costs (eg. you get hard cut-offs for drug use based on diagnoses that often have considerable subjectivity in them)<br />
2) It quickly becomes unsustainable cost-wise, which is then used (as is happening up here, right now) as a rationale by the neandercons for going to a &#8216;two-tiered&#8217; system.</p>
<p>_____<br />
(I&#8217;ve written a quite a lot about the latter at my place; <a href="http://pacificgazette.blogspot.com/2008/03/who-will-stop-tier-mongering-of.html" rel="nofollow">here&#8217;s an example if anybody&#8217;s interested</a>)</p>
<p>.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane Hamsher</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/30/join-me-medical-students-today-to-treat-not-trick-for-generic-drugs/#comment-57556</link>
		<dc:creator>Jane Hamsher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is used. People will pay anything to save their lives -- mortgage their homes, go into bankruptcy.

Some insurance plans cover these drugs, some cover part of their costs.  They know their price point for maximum profit, you can count on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is used. People will pay anything to save their lives &#8212; mortgage their homes, go into bankruptcy.</p>
<p>Some insurance plans cover these drugs, some cover part of their costs.  They know their price point for maximum profit, you can count on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann in AZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann in AZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Dayen has a fresh &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/30/afl-cio-president-richard-trumka-on-unions-blue-dogs-health-care/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;cross-post up&lt;/a&gt;: “AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka On Unions, Blue Dogs, Health Care”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Dayen has a fresh <a href="http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/30/afl-cio-president-richard-trumka-on-unions-blue-dogs-health-care/" rel="nofollow">cross-post up</a>: “AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka On Unions, Blue Dogs, Health Care”</p>
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		<title>By: Twain</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/30/join-me-medical-students-today-to-treat-not-trick-for-generic-drugs/#comment-57553</link>
		<dc:creator>Twain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am surprised that Anna is doing this. She lives in a very wealthy area and a very safe district.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am surprised that Anna is doing this. She lives in a very wealthy area and a very safe district.</p>
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		<title>By: cbl2</title>
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		<dc:creator>cbl2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Candy-Gram for Anna !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Candy-Gram for Anna !</p>
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		<title>By: tw3k</title>
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		<dc:creator>tw3k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>w00t!  Give&#039;em hell Hamsher!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>w00t!  Give&#8217;em hell Hamsher!</p>
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		<title>By: i4u2bi</title>
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		<dc:creator>i4u2bi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A real blood and guts revolution could have avoided all this debate. heh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A real blood and guts revolution could have avoided all this debate. heh</p>
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		<title>By: Twain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not a stupid question and I have wondered that many times. And why spend all the money on R &amp; D if the drug isn&#039;t used.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not a stupid question and I have wondered that many times. And why spend all the money on R &amp; D if the drug isn&#8217;t used.</p>
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