Several months ago, CBO Director Doug Elmendorf and Sen. Kent Conrad (D-ND) created a huge media hoopla when Conrad got Elmendorf to claim that the House health care bill would not “bend the cost curve.” Fast forward a few months, and Elmendorf has now taken a far more philosophical look at what “bend the cost” curve even means.
This is probably not what the Blue Dogs were hoping for when they sent a letter to the CBO asking the CBO to analyze things that they are simply not designed to study. I guess the Blue Dogs will now need to look elsewhere to for a reason to oppose reform. Claiming it is for “fiscally conservative” reasons will just not cut it. They killed the robust public option, even though it would save $85 billion, and now, for the most part, they remain uncommitted to voting for a bill that will reduce the deficit by over a $100 billion in the next ten years. Elmendorf’s letter reads, in part (PDF):
“Bending the Curve”
The question often arises: How does CBO evaluate whether health care reform proposals “bend the curve”? But that question raises another one: Which curve? Several cost trends are of interest to policymakers, and even though they are related, proposals might not have the same effects on each one. One such curve is the federal budget deficit as a whole, and another is the federal budgetary commitment to health care. A third is the trajectory of national health expenditures (NHE), and a fourth might be the premiums charged for health insurance.Moreover, what does it mean to “bend the curve”? If a proposal makes the expected budget deficit 20 years from now smaller than it is expected to be without any policy changes, then the deficit curve is clearly being bent downward, on average, during the next 20 years; that is, the average growth rate of the deficit during those two decades would be lower. On the other hand, if the expected deficit is larger, then the deficit curve is being bent upward, and the average growth rate of the deficit in that period would be higher. Would that slower or faster growth rate continue indefinitely? That sort of extrapolation might seem natural, but it may not be appropriate. Distinguishing between a series of shifts in the level of the deficit and permanent changes in the growth rate of the deficit is difficult. Although CBO can provide a rough indication of a proposal’s effect on the level of the budget deficit 20 years ahead, the agency does not have an analytic basis for projecting the proposal’s effect on the growth rate of the deficit at that point, much less for evaluating whether that growth rate will continue in future years. Those same considerations apply to the agency’s analysis of the federal budgetary commitment to health care. Therefore, CBO has concluded that it is more appropriate to talk about whether proposals would “lower” or “raise” the curve of the federal budget deficit or budgetary commitment to health care 10 to 20 years from now than to discuss those proposals’ effects on the shape of the curve in that time period or the level or slope of the curve beyond that period.




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Please, let’s stop talking about the “public option” in HR 3200 as if it were at all robust. It would not been available the overwhelming majority of the population. Plus, it would have been too small to have the kind of bargaining power that Medicare has. Even in HR 3200, the Medicaid eligibility increases were projected to insure slightly more people.
We’ve got to understand this history to avoid repeating it.
Big deal. Medicare For All / HR 676 is estimated to save around $400 billion PER YEAR. I don’t know what metric CBO is applying to 676, maybe they are taking the long view there too because we still don’t have a score.
But who cares anyway because saving money was never the point. A universal, effective delivery of healthcare was never the point. And something as basic as compassion was always totally alien to the entire process.
The point is to slap ‘Reform’ on a health insurance company stimulus package and assume that the peasants will behave themselves and accept it.
Fuck that. Take responsibility for yourself and your country and demand …
Medicare For All / HR 676: don’t accept any substitutes or legislative rebranding of the only option for the American public
They are most likely never going to score 676. Pelosi stabbed Weiner in the back.
It seems that some of the aftershocks of the introductions of the bills and the White House’s apparent indifference to them are still rippling around the country and Washington DC.
Reid is trying to mobilize the base to put pressure on wayward Democratic Senators, for one example. The Conservadems are all over the lot, walking back one day what they said the previous day.
What amendments might come up in the floor manager’s report or allowed under the rules for the House bill are still being negotiated, including the Kucinich Amendment. Stupak is holding the bill hostage to adding a prohibition of abortion coverage in private insurance plans in the exchange. This might open the door for the Weiner Amendment to brought forward for a vote again.
And the White House is MIA.
I try to keep up with who’s who but this Stupak is someone I have never ever heard of. He must sit on the very last row. Did he just decide that he wanted his 15 minutes of fame?
Talk about bent curves and costing analyses.
Mz. Hamsher Wrote This.
Mz. Eshoo Wrote This.
I can’t WAIT for Mz. Hamsher’s line by line reply to Eshoo’s crap of a corporate rant and rage against a truth she had legislated AGAINST.
In Mz. Eshoo’s reply, in the comments, are three key comments that take Mz. Eshpoooooo to task for her faulty analysis and misleading faux rage.
FTFP’!
Politicians, that is. May they all rot in hell for this crap reform they are trying to run down on us.
Don’t they understand when the care ain’t there, the american people are gonna go batshit crazy about it at the polls? Don’t they understand, they are writing their own end to their political lives?
Yes, she surely did. And us, too.
Thanks, that’s a good simplified picture of what’s going on.
It’s all fractured so much at this point, I can’t believe there’s any hope for better than Reid/Pelosi. Nor can I follow the details or nuances for shit . . . . way too complicated.
If there’s ANY possibility of amendments coming into play to expand either reform effort to the people, I’ll be shocked, and then, I’ll be damned and crazed happy if it actually comes into a final bill that’s signed by BO.
We are going to remember this come election day.
TCU, I just simply can’t fathom what the dems are thinking, that there won’t be 70% of We The People in the streets rioting about this pseudo reform that’s a giveaway to corporate interests.
The Dem’s are gonna lose their shirts on this one, enuff to marginalize them as bad as the Rethugs have martinalized themselves.
I don’t get what the Dem’s don’t see in their future . . . . they will be dumped! By the left, by the middle, by the right side conservadem voters who don’t get healthcare or reform of same.
They can’t ride this out! Signing a piece of shit legislation will NOT save them in ’10 or ’12!
Don’t they KNOW this?
So who decides what gets scored when? Because that could put some pressure on fiscal conservatives. “‘Senator X’ opposed legislation that would have saved the American people $90b per year.” Hell of a talking point.
Just call the House leadership. It’s our last hope.
bending the curve refers to the trajectory of national health expenditures as a percent of gdp. even i know that. cms report of hr 3200 doesn’t go past 10 years out, but it’s easy to see from their numbers.
I’ve never believed any of the numbers coming out of Washington. Personally I think the cost will be $3 trillion over ten years. But as you say, this was never about cost anyway (although we’re going to have to face that eventually). This is about getting coverage of some sort for every American.