I’m not kidding. And, I’m not shy about it. If they’re so hot about the deficit, let them increase their own taxes to pay for it and quit shorting the middle class on health insurance that they all have.

I really have no patience with the deficit stuff in the first place. It’s all a big lie in the first place. Unless there’s inflation in the economy deficits don’t matter.

You said:

“What good would the regulations be, if no one could afford the “improved” insurance?

Insurance could – no, WOULD, just jack up premiums literally without limit, they would claim, “to pay for the reforms.” They’ve already told us that, which should have been absolute justification for the most robust, and universally available, P.O. imaginable.”

Exactly. But first things first. You’d be able to get the regulatory bill passed this year, because Democrats just can’t vote against it. But, it’s a poison pill. When you put it into effect on January 1, 2010, there’s going to be an outcry and great anger at the insurance companies and also the Democrats. And that’s when you get them to pass either a Hacker-type PO operative on a very quick Day 1, with price controls until then, or Medicare for All, single payer within a year.

Insurance could – no, WOULD, just jack up premiums literally without limit, they would claim, “to pay for the reforms.” They’ve already told us that, which should have been absolute justification for the most robust, and universally available, P.O. imaginable.

What Switzerland and many other countries have done is simply legislate that Insurance Companies could no longer be for profit. In fact I believe no other country allows private profit in Health Insurance, and many don’t even allow it anywhere in Health CARE providers.

We all know that most of the cited drawbacks (like Canada and Britain’s waiting lines) would not need to happen in America, being a MUCH richer country, with far more Medical facilities and resources.

In other countries citizens go their entire lives NEVER SEEING A MEDICAL BILL. I can’t imagine how we ever allowed individuals to occur who believe it should be otherwise.

PPDCUS -

What private cartel of 12 for-profit banks has the exclusive, unregulated, legally immune to independent audit, power, to set (or in this case, withhold) credit ?

hint: They also enjoy collecting UNTAXED interest from the USA in return for creating ALL its money supply.

IMO, considering the absolute, singleminded goal of business is to create profit in any way possible, if they could do such a thing – they did.

It’s too monstrous for people to believe, and so, laughably easy to get away with.

It has gone on liteally for centuries in the world, accruing such power, and perpetrating international atrocities of control over nations so monstrous, it again is very easy to call anyone illuminating it, a conpiracy theorist – the perfect cover.

Consider how plausible was the deniability of legislators returning home during the ‘sky is falling! We must act NOW!’ “crisis,” to document their stories of small businesses shrieking about the unavailability of credit.

proof positive – of what?

It was The FED – which it’s known, despite the obfuscation of its legal structure, is no more “Federal” than Federal Express.

- something like, without a strong public option immediately available to all, they should just strip out all the money (ie subsidies and mandates) and pass the reforms.

Imagine how affordable and complete Medicare would be if its risk pool weren’t limited to seniors, the most EXPENSIVE to insure.

Low cost but comprehensive Health Insurance relies on having the LARGEST and most diverse risk pool. You can’t build that gradually, with powerful competition buying legislation against it.

Mandates with this garbage? No thanks.