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	<title>Comments on: 11 Ways The House Bill Is Much Better Than The Baucus Bill</title>
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		<title>By: ebgill</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/29/11-ways-the-house-bill-is-much-better-than-the-baucus-bill/#comment-57513</link>
		<dc:creator>ebgill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 02:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no reason to believe the exchanges will be national. States are allowed to pull out and create their own or group off into regional exchanges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no reason to believe the exchanges will be national. States are allowed to pull out and create their own or group off into regional exchanges.</p>
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		<title>By: fuckno</title>
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		<dc:creator>fuckno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 02:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Albert Gore chose Lieberman , and Obama&#039;s second choice was Bayh. That aught to make anyone want to hurl, and realize that the government, as is belongs to the Corporations, and that voting for Democrats is at best marginally better than the voting for the other cocksuckers. 

People, ignore the pleas of those whores, vote them all out in 2010 or watch your futures, your lives turn into ashes. The reason this shit is not criminal is that the criminals are writing the laws. 

We need an anti-Schindler&#039;s list of sorts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Albert Gore chose Lieberman , and Obama&#8217;s second choice was Bayh. That aught to make anyone want to hurl, and realize that the government, as is belongs to the Corporations, and that voting for Democrats is at best marginally better than the voting for the other cocksuckers. </p>
<p>People, ignore the pleas of those whores, vote them all out in 2010 or watch your futures, your lives turn into ashes. The reason this shit is not criminal is that the criminals are writing the laws. </p>
<p>We need an anti-Schindler&#8217;s list of sorts.</p>
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		<title>By: fuckno</title>
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		<dc:creator>fuckno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 02:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It falls way way short, and considering that high unemployment and broad under employment are likely to stay with us for a very, very long time, as well as that wages will remain flat. The limited ability of these bills to contain rising costs, - it is high time to call Obama out.

The progressive caucus needs to be very public in pleading (demanding) that the President casts his support with the majority of American people! We must make Rahmbama realize that there will be a price to pay, if he continues to thwart the will of the people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It falls way way short, and considering that high unemployment and broad under employment are likely to stay with us for a very, very long time, as well as that wages will remain flat. The limited ability of these bills to contain rising costs, &#8211; it is high time to call Obama out.</p>
<p>The progressive caucus needs to be very public in pleading (demanding) that the President casts his support with the majority of American people! We must make Rahmbama realize that there will be a price to pay, if he continues to thwart the will of the people.</p>
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		<title>By: gamd521</title>
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		<dc:creator>gamd521</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I see it, the PO is useful only to the extent that it is competitive with private insurers with respect to overall costs and services covered, and in so doing expands by drawing more enrollees irrespective of their risk than would private insurers.

Because the PO will inevitably contain higher risk enrollees, to provide comprehensive services at costs that are lower than private insurers it must depend on efficiency and lower reimbursement rates to accomplish this. That is if the PO is willing or required by design to assume higher risk enrollees it must be allowed to charge less for services to stay competitive. 

Jon wonder if you could expound on the following:

-Are people that receive subsidies to meet their premiums ineligible for the PO? If so they would by default be subsidized and go to private insurers.

-How would the exchange as described be able to independently bargain down costs from providers. And between the PO plan and private insurers which if either would benefit more from these bargained down costs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I see it, the PO is useful only to the extent that it is competitive with private insurers with respect to overall costs and services covered, and in so doing expands by drawing more enrollees irrespective of their risk than would private insurers.</p>
<p>Because the PO will inevitably contain higher risk enrollees, to provide comprehensive services at costs that are lower than private insurers it must depend on efficiency and lower reimbursement rates to accomplish this. That is if the PO is willing or required by design to assume higher risk enrollees it must be allowed to charge less for services to stay competitive. </p>
<p>Jon wonder if you could expound on the following:</p>
<p>-Are people that receive subsidies to meet their premiums ineligible for the PO? If so they would by default be subsidized and go to private insurers.</p>
<p>-How would the exchange as described be able to independently bargain down costs from providers. And between the PO plan and private insurers which if either would benefit more from these bargained down costs?</p>
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		<title>By: econobuzz</title>
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		<dc:creator>econobuzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama is a coward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama is a coward.</p>
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		<title>By: bmull</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/29/11-ways-the-house-bill-is-much-better-than-the-baucus-bill/#comment-57478</link>
		<dc:creator>bmull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The CBO report says that the premiums for the public option will be &quot;somewhat higher&quot; than the private plans in the exchange. If that turns out to be true, the public option will not survive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The CBO report says that the premiums for the public option will be &#8220;somewhat higher&#8221; than the private plans in the exchange. If that turns out to be true, the public option will not survive.</p>
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		<title>By: melana10</title>
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		<dc:creator>melana10</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This bill is a joke. It requires mandatory insurance.The insurance companies are celebrating today.I agree with kucinich. The insurance companies should get the same medicare rates.This is a sell out!!!! Strip Lieberman of all committees.He is always been a turn coat.2014 let&#039;s take him out.Robust health care bill or a &quot;no&quot; vote for this bill.Where is the repeal of the anti-trust law for insurance companies.VOTERS we have been sold out!!!!
Obama has sold us out to the banks and insurance companies.I will vote next time for Bernie Sanders for president!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This bill is a joke. It requires mandatory insurance.The insurance companies are celebrating today.I agree with kucinich. The insurance companies should get the same medicare rates.This is a sell out!!!! Strip Lieberman of all committees.He is always been a turn coat.2014 let&#8217;s take him out.Robust health care bill or a &#8220;no&#8221; vote for this bill.Where is the repeal of the anti-trust law for insurance companies.VOTERS we have been sold out!!!!<br />
Obama has sold us out to the banks and insurance companies.I will vote next time for Bernie Sanders for president!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: robertg</title>
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		<dc:creator>robertg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Philly 1- bankers 0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Philly 1- bankers 0</p>
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		<title>By: robertg</title>
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		<dc:creator>robertg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forget about this bill,it&#039;s costs a trillion,and Obama prefers bails out
the banks to big to fail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forget about this bill,it&#8217;s costs a trillion,and Obama prefers bails out<br />
the banks to big to fail.</p>
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		<title>By: tejanarusa</title>
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		<dc:creator>tejanarusa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone watching Rachel?  Apparently Bayh has walked way back on the threat to filibuster cloture or the bill.
And, she listed Mrs. Bayh&#039;s healthcare positions = and got Bayh&#039;s office to insist that those have &quot;no effect&quot; on his positions. Hah. But at least the subject is out there.

Jane is back!  Yay!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone watching Rachel?  Apparently Bayh has walked way back on the threat to filibuster cloture or the bill.<br />
And, she listed Mrs. Bayh&#8217;s healthcare positions = and got Bayh&#8217;s office to insist that those have &#8220;no effect&#8221; on his positions. Hah. But at least the subject is out there.</p>
<p>Jane is back!  Yay!</p>
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