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	<title>Comments on: State Blogs Weigh In on Joe Lieberman Filibuster Threat, &#8220;Opt-Out&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: tinman1967</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/27/state-blogs-weigh-in-on-joe-lieberman-opt-out/#comment-56840</link>
		<dc:creator>tinman1967</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe ain&#039;t all bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe ain&#8217;t all bad.</p>
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		<title>By: oldtree</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/27/state-blogs-weigh-in-on-joe-lieberman-opt-out/#comment-56839</link>
		<dc:creator>oldtree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but they voted for a republican?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but they voted for a republican?</p>
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		<title>By: buzzy</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/27/state-blogs-weigh-in-on-joe-lieberman-opt-out/#comment-56666</link>
		<dc:creator>buzzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 03:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let us not forget that Joe is in the position now to blackmail and possibly destroy the Dems chances in 2010 only because Obama helped him to win in 06, and those a**holes in the senate welcomed him back with open arms.If someone gave Joe a set of balls he wouldn&#039;t know what they were or what to do with them. His next gig in four years from now will be collecting a million dollar salary from some insurance company. Joe can now sit back and laugh at his constituency and his esteemed colleagues in the senate and White House.  

A couple of months ago Frank Rich asked the question in his NYT article referring to Obama, Have we been Punked? It sure looks that way Rich.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let us not forget that Joe is in the position now to blackmail and possibly destroy the Dems chances in 2010 only because Obama helped him to win in 06, and those a**holes in the senate welcomed him back with open arms.If someone gave Joe a set of balls he wouldn&#8217;t know what they were or what to do with them. His next gig in four years from now will be collecting a million dollar salary from some insurance company. Joe can now sit back and laugh at his constituency and his esteemed colleagues in the senate and White House.  </p>
<p>A couple of months ago Frank Rich asked the question in his NYT article referring to Obama, Have we been Punked? It sure looks that way Rich.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 03:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>None of this matters. The &quot;public option&quot; isn&#039;t tied to Medicare rates, won&#039;t be cheap, and hardly anyone will be eligible to get it. Meanwhile, everyone else will be forced to buy crappy insurance from the evil bastards of the medical-industrial complex.

Given the context and the facts, I hope Lieberman, Bayh, and others DO derail the bill. No bill at all is better than fake health reform, so I for one won&#039;t waste a scintilla of anguish over filibusters and the like. UNLESS, that is, the awful mess that the Democrats are about to push onto the American people looks like it&#039;s a winner.

This is the only developed nation in the entire world where you can be driven to bankruptcy as a result of getting sick. The ONLY ONE. This hasn&#039;t been addressed, so to hell with the legislation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>None of this matters. The &#8220;public option&#8221; isn&#8217;t tied to Medicare rates, won&#8217;t be cheap, and hardly anyone will be eligible to get it. Meanwhile, everyone else will be forced to buy crappy insurance from the evil bastards of the medical-industrial complex.</p>
<p>Given the context and the facts, I hope Lieberman, Bayh, and others DO derail the bill. No bill at all is better than fake health reform, so I for one won&#8217;t waste a scintilla of anguish over filibusters and the like. UNLESS, that is, the awful mess that the Democrats are about to push onto the American people looks like it&#8217;s a winner.</p>
<p>This is the only developed nation in the entire world where you can be driven to bankruptcy as a result of getting sick. The ONLY ONE. This hasn&#8217;t been addressed, so to hell with the legislation.</p>
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		<title>By: zougou47</title>
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		<dc:creator>zougou47</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 03:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope the progessives stand their ground. If the Blue Dogs want to join the repub filibuster, fine. But up the anty. Make it the most widely televised political event ever show on C-Span &amp; the cable networks. A virtual 24/7 viewer marathon. Zoom in for closeups of Bayh, Nelson, Landrieu, Liebermann, etc. Make sure to have a huge digital counter going in the background indicating how many uninsured Americans died during each of their filibuster speeches. Oh, and it goes without saying to kick Liebermann&#039;s worthless ass out of the Democratic caucus and strip him of any position of power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope the progessives stand their ground. If the Blue Dogs want to join the repub filibuster, fine. But up the anty. Make it the most widely televised political event ever show on C-Span &amp; the cable networks. A virtual 24/7 viewer marathon. Zoom in for closeups of Bayh, Nelson, Landrieu, Liebermann, etc. Make sure to have a huge digital counter going in the background indicating how many uninsured Americans died during each of their filibuster speeches. Oh, and it goes without saying to kick Liebermann&#8217;s worthless ass out of the Democratic caucus and strip him of any position of power.</p>
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		<title>By: hychka</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/27/state-blogs-weigh-in-on-joe-lieberman-opt-out/#comment-56662</link>
		<dc:creator>hychka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LIEberman?

He&#039;s just making noise for United Aircraft&#039;s fighter cancellation.

The AR lady will probably cave when she sees the polls at home on her.

Evan Byah is the one who will trip the wire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LIEberman?</p>
<p>He&#8217;s just making noise for United Aircraft&#8217;s fighter cancellation.</p>
<p>The AR lady will probably cave when she sees the polls at home on her.</p>
<p>Evan Byah is the one who will trip the wire.</p>
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		<title>By: Blub</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>someone should ask him that question: why is government healthcare OK for Israel but not for Connecticutans?  And would he advocate the privatization of Israeli care on the American model?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>someone should ask him that question: why is government healthcare OK for Israel but not for Connecticutans?  And would he advocate the privatization of Israeli care on the American model?</p>
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		<title>By: foothillsmike</title>
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		<dc:creator>foothillsmike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it significant that he named his party Connecticut for lieberman and not lieberman for Connecticut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it significant that he named his party Connecticut for lieberman and not lieberman for Connecticut.</p>
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		<title>By: sunshinedem</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/27/state-blogs-weigh-in-on-joe-lieberman-opt-out/#comment-56649</link>
		<dc:creator>sunshinedem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like many businesses cutting costs by eliminating benefits, perhaps it is time for the U.S. to do the same.  The repubs should go along since they are so fiscally responsible.  We could start by dropping health care and pension benefits for members of congress.  That should save a few 
billion.  Then we close Quantanamo tomorrow.  Bring home all the troops from the middle east.  Could probably save trillions there.  It all fits right into the repub game plan.  Then maybe we can have universal health care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like many businesses cutting costs by eliminating benefits, perhaps it is time for the U.S. to do the same.  The repubs should go along since they are so fiscally responsible.  We could start by dropping health care and pension benefits for members of congress.  That should save a few<br />
billion.  Then we close Quantanamo tomorrow.  Bring home all the troops from the middle east.  Could probably save trillions there.  It all fits right into the repub game plan.  Then maybe we can have universal health care.</p>
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		<title>By: redX</title>
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		<dc:creator>redX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess the only other thing that needs to be explicit each time is the moral argument... who do these people &quot;represent&quot;? I trust Joe as well...to support himself and his corps.

Some of these crooks are so clear in their lack of interest in the ideals &amp; needs of the people in the states and/or districts they represent.

I am sorry that some health insurance people will lose their jobs, I really am. But people doing what seemed to have been productive work have been losing their jobs for a long time.

I hope Obama starts to make more clear some of the opportunity costs were are losing. Think of the cash that could go into more productive things than:
- paper wealth transfer (HIC, much of &quot;Wall street&quot;)
- MIC (surely we can afford a modest scaleback? Perhaps 1 or 2 of the 800 bases)
- Energy (who killed that electric car?)
- Cigs and alcho

As someone said the other day - perhaps some of these geniuses will go into making real business and not all end up on wallstreet flipping Trillions back and fourth (and skimming). They should be flipping burgers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess the only other thing that needs to be explicit each time is the moral argument&#8230; who do these people &#8220;represent&#8221;? I trust Joe as well&#8230;to support himself and his corps.</p>
<p>Some of these crooks are so clear in their lack of interest in the ideals &amp; needs of the people in the states and/or districts they represent.</p>
<p>I am sorry that some health insurance people will lose their jobs, I really am. But people doing what seemed to have been productive work have been losing their jobs for a long time.</p>
<p>I hope Obama starts to make more clear some of the opportunity costs were are losing. Think of the cash that could go into more productive things than:<br />
- paper wealth transfer (HIC, much of &#8220;Wall street&#8221;)<br />
- MIC (surely we can afford a modest scaleback? Perhaps 1 or 2 of the 800 bases)<br />
- Energy (who killed that electric car?)<br />
- Cigs and alcho</p>
<p>As someone said the other day &#8211; perhaps some of these geniuses will go into making real business and not all end up on wallstreet flipping Trillions back and fourth (and skimming). They should be flipping burgers.</p>
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