I know it’s fun to get he pom-poms out, but what exactly is everyone celebrating?
MoveOn, which was asking members to pressure Obama last week, is now shifting gears to make sure the Democratic Party gets in line and votes to block a filibuster.
Health Care for America Now was championing Reid for “standing up” and doing the right thing, collecting more than 20,000 signatures on a thank-you petition to the leader.
Progressive Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-OH) portrayed the opt-out plan in political terms, suggesting in his statement he was confident states would side with families, not insurance companies.
Reid hasn’t said what this “opt-out” will include, and as Brian Beutler notes:
According to [NBC's Chuck] Todd, the White House is telling Reid, “You’re the vote counter, but don’t come crying to us when you need that last vote. That said, I’ve also been told, OK right now it’s this ‘opt-out,’ the compromise could end up being the ‘opt-in’ and maybe this is what Reid was doing here–going with the ‘opt-out’ so the ‘opt-in’ was the compromise rather than the trigger being the compromise.”
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[T]hey seem to be telling him that this may be a gambit on Reid’s part to do compromise down further, rather than simply settling on the lowest common denominator (the trigger) right away.
If veal pen orgs enjoy the role of being toadies to the party, I guess everyone needs a hobby. But I question the wisdom of switching tactics and heaping praise on Reid for maybe doing something he gives only the vaguest details about. Perhaps articulating what they expect to see in the final bill such that he deserves praise might be more appropriate for a progressive organization advocating for health care reform.
Trumka also called for a “robust” public option that would compete effectively against insurers that have a stranglehold in some markets. He alluded to a recent American Medical Association study that pointed out 94% of the nation’s major markets are considered to be anti-competitive and singled out Alabama as a market in which one insurer controls nearly 90% of the health-insurance business.
A proposal under consideration in the Senate for states to opt out of a public option is not considered “robust,” Trumka said.
“It’s on its way. It’s not there yet,” he said
For us, we’re adjusting our phone bank script into Nevada slightly, to address the fact that Reid announced “good intentions” yesterday. But that’s awfully weak, and if as the White House alludes it’s simply the first step on the road to triggers, it’ll be just another nail in Reid’s political coffin.
So we’ll be continuing our phone bank efforts to progressive Nevada Democrats, asking them to urge Reid to bring a public option up for a vote in the Senate — and whether they will support a primary against him if he doesn’t. Because we certainly will.
Call Nevada Democrats now and keep up the pressure on Harry Reid





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perhaps the new mantra for the floor in both houses and, more importantly, for conference, has to be universal access to the PO – to remove the restriction that it should be available only to the unemployed or to employees and proprieters of small business. Universal access is essentialy to effective operation of the PO, from a cost management perspective. I’d rather have this then fight over the opt-out, however much it doesn’t work and however much it’s awful. I hope no states opt-out and there may be other words to prevent them from doing so, but if any do, and their voters let their thug leaders stay in office if they move to support an opt-out, then I think our country has bigger problems than just healthcare reform. Re-invading South Carolina is in nobody’s best interests.
They are celebrating this.
JH, it is possible to celebrate and keep your guard up at the same time. Celebrating does not mean the fight is over.
By the way–congratulations, Jane.
Yes — keep the pressure on. And don’t forget pressure got us this far.
They weren’t going there at all without us. And we need to keep on them to make sure the result is genuinely “affordable.” If not, they are screwed and probably can be convinced of it.
Very informative.
Exactly, Jane.
There’s nothing to celebrate yet and every reason to keep the pressure on Reid. He can do a lot more than he’s doing, and should be held accountable for what he is unwilling to do to get a good bill passed.
an abrupt switch considering less than a week ago MoveOn and CAP were unleashing their members on Rahm for his trigger happy sh* and two days later urged everyone to make POTUS accountable
thought at the time they might actually bust out of the veal pen
p.s. am intently curious as to the backstory on Labor’s role in this battle – there’s almost zero info anywhere – is that by design or the usual Village cluelessness ?
AGREED
I think a congrats is appropriate as long as the caveat warning is highlighted alongside. You guys are driving the progressive agenda. Let Reid have a half of a days’ breath and drive on!
No one in their right mind will trust anything but the application of even more intense pressure at this point.
Harry Reid’s BFFAE, HoJo will not support the PO – via TPM
Let’s keep calling folks, the pressure on Congress has to be so severe, that they buckle and give us a strong PO.
I have this visual in my head of Jane dressed in western gear, standing in the kitchen, holding her shotgun steady, aimed at a Big Fat Rat in the corner, named Congress, her gaze never wavering…finger on the trigger, while she calls out directions to the rest of the household…
I offer this image in the most complimentary way.
Way to keep the pressure on, Jane!
Lieberman says he will filibuster!!!
Along this vein, I just heard mention on MSNBC that the low life Lieberman will join the Republicans in a filibuster unless the PO is removed from the proposed merged Senate bill.
This is not unexpected from this vile worm, but the minimum that we ought to demand is that he be recalled by the people of Connecticut forthwith. Ways to practically accomplish this should be started.
In the meantime under no circumstances should this maggot be left in the Democratic Caucus and he should be stripped of any vestige of chairmanship or influence. Let this prick suffer the consequences.
The Senate Democrats should not withdraw from considering a merged bill with a PO nor be frustrated in this effort by this miscreant sack of shit. If this son of a whore wants to filibuster then fine and let him be relegated to irrelvancy in any measure he proposes. Leave it to the people of Connecticut if they want this shill to be the pariah that represents their state.
In addition the Senate should move ahead with rescinding the anti-trust provision given to insurers and then prosecute it fully so that they are driven out of markets and other comapnies can take their place. Further Medicare and all providers and insurers should be allowed to bargain down prices from drug companies.
The long and short of it is that there is much that can be done in reprisal against this scum and nothing should be spared in doing so
Reid’s decision moved the goalposts a very far way in our favor [ for a change ]
From “PO” V. “NO PO” to “PO for all” V. “PO for some”
That cannot be belittled, however History has taught us that we cannot take Reid and his peeps at word value … we must not relent until this is signed, sealed and delivered.
Thank you, Jane!
Senator Reid’s move yesterday does not the end of the battle at all and, while he should be supported as he moves in the right direction, he needs to continue feeling pressure until the job is done.
The best thing he did yesterday was to end the possibility of a silent filibuster. The first to come out publicly to say that he’ll blow of the Democratic caucus, join with Republicans, and vote against cloture unless a public, competitive, consumer health insurance option is removed from the bill that would go to the Senate floor:
Senator Joe Lieberman(D-Connecticut).
Of course Liarman will side against whoever needs his vote the most. That’s his signature move and always brings in the big bucks….
I hate Joe Lieberman with the intensity of a thousand suns.
HoJo is one sad MF.
Hey, that’s our secret password at the Lake ..
It is time for the senate to use the nuclear option.
Yup. This has the scent of three-card monte here. Don’t let up.
It’s not a win until it’s in (and without triggers).
What good is a public option that’s only going to be available to 10% of the people, only in states that opt -in,and isn’t available for years?
This Senate bill sucks
In these situations, I thank my lucky stars that BO and the DNC helped keep Lieberman in office.
Actually Jane, Chuck Todd emailed Greg Sargent to clarify. Perhaps he should just stick to reporting and leave the speculation to…others?
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/health-care/chuck-todd-white-house-didnt-really-tell-reid-not-to-come-crying-to-us/
until you and everyone you know can walk into the doctor’s office –for decent care at a cheap co-pay — and it’s sittin’ in there in two bowls marked “buttered” and “unbuttered”:
no eatin’, we’re still in a war…
I say we keep the pressure on but, also realize that we’ve taken a big step in getting that useless trigger off the table. Rome wasn’t built in a day!
Joe LIEberman strikes again. I want him stripped of any senatorial power possible.
A robust public option isn’t good enough, we need a Rubenesque public option.
it doesn’t have to be good, it just has to be the Least Worst!
That is our training, and that principle must never be questioned, lest you fall into the fallacy of Idealism. /s
Let’s hope the plan isn’t something like this: fool progressives into thinking the opt-out is in the bill; Dems agree not to filibuster; the trigger is added instead of the opt-out; progressive Dems are forced to vote for cloture, when we really need them to kill the bill.
Liebersham should be tarred and feathered.
I live in Connecticut and there’s no way to get rid of Lieberman until 2012. Too bad. He’s a poster boy for a recall statute, but most legislatures don’t favor recall because there’s no way of predicting who gets recalled. As for your other suggestions, they’re fine. Too bad they don’t have a chance of enactment. That’s the trouble with the way things are.
As for Lieberman, I say it’s all bluster. He’s got to know that he’s gone in the next election. And while Obama and the Dems saved his ass by keeping him as Chairman of Homeland Security, he’s most likely giving his Oscar worthy performance for public consumption. Privately, he must know that it’s time to pay the piper. Personally, I’d pay to see Obama drag his Deputy Droop Along ass up to the Whitehouse and corner him like he did during the campaign when they all came back to vote on the TARP legislation. You could see that Obama was bitch slapping this little man hard. He can’t be this stupid. I know he’s an ass but, this I’ve got to see. He’s not up until 2012 so, how miserable would the Dems make his next 2 years?
I think people are celebrating the fact that a PO (any PO) is being included in the Senate bill. That looked very unlikely just a short time ago. Not time to pop the cork on the champagne though, we have to continue to ratchet up the the pressure to make it the best PO possible.
Strip LieberHo of his seniority and committee chairmanships NOW!
Chuck Todd does reporting? Who knew?
HoJo has said that he will vote for cloture on unanimous consent to start the debate. For now, ignore the rest of the statement that begins with “If the bill is offered as it stands…” Of course, the bill will change before Lieberman has to make a decision again. See where he is when that time comes. We’ll see how much he loves his gavel.
I didn’t think that one passed the smell test, as IF the White House would let an HRC bill fail over bruised feelings.
Seconded, although I would think it’s OK to make him “Assistant to the Assistant Manager” of the Senate Janitorial Staff. Night shift, preferably.
Well, this probably explains why Obama has been fighting harder for Olympia Snowe’s vote than for the Public Option (which he hasn’t fought for at all). I’m guessing that through back channels, Obama (and Emmanuel, Bauccus, etc.) knew right from the start that Liarman was actually a Rethuglican. It all makes sense now. Snowe’s cloture vote is an easier get than that of the Republican Senator from Connecticut.
I guess Obama and Reid could hold his chairmanship over his head, but they know that he would just join the R caucus and start planning his reelection now 3 years away. That puts them right back to courting Olympia Snowe for the 60th cloture vote.
Fuck that phony shister!
It’s been pretty clear Reid is incapable of counting all the way to 60. He’s also unwilling to actually lead. If there was ever a time for hardball politics, this is it. But Reid’s limp noodle brand of politics means everyone knows he won’t drop the hammer on anyone for any reason. I will be pleased, but extremely surprised if anything the lunkhead does towards a public option leads to anything.
I don’t like this bill I am hoping that the final bill contains the House’s version of the public option , or something close to it.
I guess we’ll have to continue putting pressure on our elected officials , if we want a real PO .
So far , all I’m seeing are smoke and mirrors
This has to be drummed into every moderate’s head in Congress – “We have 60 votes and no excuses,” Durbin added. – via TPM
Calling Durbin’s Office to let him know what I think of JoeLie and encourage Senator Durbin to win one for America
You may be right roxsteady; and I sure as hell hope you are!
“So far , all I’m seeing are smoke and mirrors..”
But smoke and mirrors does go really well with Kabuki dancing.
Not smoke and mirrors, carrot and stick. In the end average Americans only get the stick. Medicare Part D was one such example.
Even if Connecticut had recall provisions in the state constitution, Short Ride would still be in office as recall does not apply to US House and Senate as they are considered “federal offices.” Once seated in a specific congress, they are there until the next election unless expelled by their peers. The last person to be expelled was James Traficant of Ohio in ‘02
Love the headline, “Premature Congratulations”. Story makes me think George Bush wasn’t a complete waste after all. He kept Lieberman from the Vice Presidency.
WH response to Lieberman.
Medical insurance stock price reactions.
so.. what is to be done about the Great Troll of Stamford? We could have a horrible bill. We could have everything we ever wanted. And he’d still filibuster it. I knew it deep down that he’d play his trump card. He does it to get attention or something….
Correction, five Supremes kept Lieberman from the Vice Presidency.
Keep up all the pressure, and start bringing up the real issues now.
1) will it be available to all or just those who are “uninsured”
2) When does it take effect?
3) Medicare +5%
If Reid was counting on Lieberman he’s dumber than I thought.
as I said on Jon’s thread – I think Chuck correctly characterized what he heard – sounds a lot like ‘Reid is fuc*** stupid’ – but I think it was meant to be ‘on background’ – using it on the air, they yanked his chain and threatened him with loss of all precious access
dance monkey dance
From your link:
“Gibbs On Filibuster Possibility: Dems And GOP Alike ‘Will Be Held Accountable By Their Constituents’”
The problem is that the Great Troll of Stamford doesn’t have any constituents… ‘cept maybe in some Hartford corporate boardrooms. Party of One.
WH response is tap-dancing. Market reaction is to be expected. Fuckin’ simpletons.
that meglomaniacal rat will never jump to the other caucus – he’d lose Seniority – all important among the aristocrats installed in the Senate. In this case, he’d be fuckin’ with Reid directly and that’s a whole nuther deal – go ahead, try it ya little puke, ya know ya wanna
Lieberman knows this could very well be his last term. Scorched Earth all the way, baby.
I swear we should base the effectiveness of any reform plan by its impact on insurers’ share prices. Targeting a weighted average drop of 50% sounds fair to me ;-)
nobody wakes up in the morning and wants a Public Option, they want a solution to the costly, dysfunctional and deadly healthcare situation in the USA.
Liberal and Progressive footsoldiers have been told by their leadership that a Public Option (whatever that is) is all they can dare to hope for from the Democratic Party that they have put in power in Congress and the WH.
what if the Public Option is administered by the insurance cartel?
http://rawstory.com/2009
a ‘public-private partnership’ – maybe they can run it on a cost-plus basis, just like the many mercenary outfits Obama is paying billions to to run his occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq.
You should do some guest spots on CNBC. I’d enjoy watching the crew spit up their coffee..
That’s precisely what I’m afraid of. Ned Lamont should issue a statement on this just to remind Connecticutans just how big of a mistake they made in the last election.
I’m curious too about Labor. I noticed Andy Stern was in the reviewing stand on Inauguration Day.
Go for broke. Fox Business.
From MediaMatters:
“In an October 27 blog post – headlined “Joementum 2008?” – former McCain campaign aide and Weekly Standard online editor Michael Goldfarb writes:
‘Is he the greatest senator ever? He fought for victory in Iraq, he’s fighting for victory in Afghanistan, and he’s fighting to save us all from Obamacare. Who needs Olympia Snowe when you’ve got Joementum?’”
http://mediamatters.org/blog/200910270030
Should I laugh, cry, or something else?
TPM changed the headline to make clear that was just speculation by Todd. Despite the fact it looked like a quote, it was not.
Most people understand the public option to be a separate government run program that operates side by side with the private market .
I saw the WaPo article referred to above , not sure what to make of that.
Sure not what I would consider a “public option”
at the end of this diary Kip Sullivan asks Jason Rosenbaum of HCAN some pointed technical questions about the nitty gritty of PO implementation.
again, not what anyone wakes up in the morning, ‘wanting’, or ‘needing’.
those words are best saved for actual solutions, not pre-comprimised, faux-pragmatic capitulations.
Actually this country has too many interconnected problems and they can all be traced back to M-O-N-E-Y.
Single Payer with all the correct language would cut Federal Spending by a TON. The Public Option might do 80% of that if DONE correctly and that’s still being debated.
The major problems with America are related to money and civil rights. Both parties participate in the “Blame Game”, blaming Minorities for many of the countries long standing sociological issues.
Health Care Reform is not quite Obama’s Waterloo but it is a important test to see how aggressive he is or isn’t and that will tell us what our next move it with mid-terms coming.
What Inquisitr said.
That Rat has got to know, all the Rats have got to know, that We Have Not Yet Begun To Fight.
(We’re right, you know.)
Jane writes:
Come on. Is that fair to HCAN lobbyist Jason Rosenbaum?