Lieberman says he’ll join a Republican filibuster if he’s not happy with the final Senate bill:
“I told Senator Reid that I’m strongly inclined–i haven’t totally decided, but I’m strongly inclined–to vote to proceed to the health care debate, even though I don’t support the bill that he’s bringing together because it’s important that we start the debate on health care reform because I want to vote for health care reform this year. But I also told him that if the bill remains what it is now, I will not be able to support a cloture motion before final passage. Therefore I will try to stop the passage of the bill.”
Lieberman will vote for cloture that allows debate on the bill, but he says he’ll take the historic and unprecedented move of joining the opposition party to break the caucus’s “filibuster proof majority” if the final bill includes a public option.
Quelle coincidence! Just when triggers looked like they were dead. Here comes Lieberman to save the day. Joe, you see, like Susan Collins, prefers Rahm’s Obama’s Olympia Snowe’s triggers.
The big question is whether Lieberman will face pressure from the White House–because if he doesn’t, the search for “why Obama supports the public option but won’t actually do anything about it” excuses will have to get awfully creative.
Obama called Jay Rockefeller and twisted his arm to vote for the Finance Committee bill. So, a call to Lieberman really isn’t too much to ask. And if the President lets Senate Democrats know he wants Lieberman’s gavel to get yanked, they probably will go along at this point–especially if the Majority Leader is calling for the same thing. I doubt many in the Senate will be happy about having him undermine the caucus like this.
All of Lieberman’s power in the Senate comes from his chairmanship of the Homeland Security Committee. Without it, he’s nothing. And since he’s not going to vote with the Democrats on procedure anyway (and why should he — they’ve coddled him all along, given him everything he wants, and gotten nothing for it) having him in the caucus is meaningless.
I wrote this when Obama made phone calls to Senate Democrats on Lieberman’s behalf, urging them to let him keep his gavel:
This isn’t about Joe Lieberman maintaining membership in a country club as a matter of feel-good “bipartisanship.” There’s actually a job that needs doing here, and when Chris Dodd and Evan Bayh say that they want Lieberman to retain his chairmanship, they are saying that the extraordinary waste, graft, greed and cronyism that have built the Department of Homeland Security to a bloated, ineffectual taxpayer-funded behemoth under Joe Lieberman is just fine.
Here’s Naomi Klein from the Shock Docrine:
In just a few years, the homeland security industry, which barely existed before 9/11, has exploded to a size that is now significantly larger than either Hollywood or the music business. Yet what is most striking is how little the security boom is analysed and discussed as an economy, as an unprecedented convergence of unchecked police powers and unchecked capitalism, a merger of the shopping mall and the secret prison.
No-bid contracts kept from public scrutiny in the name of “national security” have built a department of unprecedented waste and theft, all rubber stamped and protected from Senate investigation by Joe Lieberman’s chairmanship. And what has it gotten us? Nothing. Basically, the Department of Homeland Security became just another front for the military industrial complex to feed off American taxpayers while neocons like Lieberman screamed “terror terror terror, just trust us.”
It’s really, really hard to believe that Lieberman is off the reservation here. He owes his chairmanship to Obama’s and Reid’s intercession after what he did during 2008.
If Obama truly does support the public option, he’ll be twisting Joe’s arm. Likewise, Harry Reid.
If they don’t, if Reid and Obama protect his chairmanship — or water down the bill to get his “support” — we’ll know it was all just a nice bit of theater. If Rahm isn’t busting his chops and leaking to Mike Allen, it’ll be a conspicuous “wink wink, nudge nudge, thanks Joe for a job well done.”
And there will be no doubt that the Democrats needs a new Majority Leader, even if we’ve got to suffer another Republican jackass in the Senate to make it happen.
Call Nevada Democrats now and keep up the pressure on Harry Reid





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Juck Loe Fieberman.
Dems need to find a Republican who will switch parties to replace this guy. Tell whoever it is they can be Chairman of Homeland Security. Give them pretty much whatever they want. I’ve had enough of Holy Joe.
Senator Reid should inform Senator Lieberman that the caucus is strongly inclined – minds made up inclined – to strip him of his committee chairmanship if he opposes the caucus on a cloture vote.
At this stage of the game, the play is TAKE NO PRISONERS.
I do believe Lieberman is exactly stupid enough to buck Reid and Obama even though he owes them everything. Something went seriously wrong in Lieberman’s head around 2004, he’s got warbrain poisoning or something. This is the guy who liked to tout how he marched for civil rights in the 1960s, and now he wants to kill health care for everyone. He’s a bitter crank who you’d expect to find on a park bench talking to squirrels.
Jane, am I missing something?
Let’s just stop courting him and the other narcissists. They aren’t interested in health care reform. Screw the cop-out opt-out. Screw the public option only being available to 5-10% of the population. Why not pass Medicare for All using 50 votes + Biden through the budgetary reconciliation process? Or at least get the strongest P.O. possible. Who the hell cares what the Senate elders think?
Threaten the a-hole with his chairmanship, get his vote and then jerk his chairmanship anyway. The guy is not a democrat so strip him of his power and give a new dem a chance in Conn.
I think it was more like 2006. Prior to that it was really just the war. Now, I really do think, after the blogosphere cost him his primary in 2006, that just wants to shove it in progressives face every opportunity he gets. I think this is personal for him.
WH response.
why do i think joe lieberman is doing this specifically at rahm and obama’s prodding? this is exactly what they want – to reinforce the ridiculous “co-ops” idea and to get the trigger that will never be pulled in.
i mean, seriously, why else would this guy be talking about it to the media? if he’s going to filibuster, he should just go ahead and do it. he’s gaining something by talking about it publicly.
I am shocked, SHOCKED to learn the WH has nothing substantive to say.
Now there’s some spine! Boy, a strong response like that will definitely put the fear of the Big O in Joe Liarman. /s
Really threw down the hammer this time, huh?
He has just been handed the baton by Snowe. He recognized an opportunity to shake everybody down and intends to exploit it.
Me too. Left me speechless, which is why I linked without comment.
Medical insurance stock price reactions.
If we want to know what the president thinks we probably have to find out where he is golfing.
I’m hoping that the Obama administration banked away some ire for Joe’s campaign efforts on McCaine’s behalf. Lieberman got away with bloody murder but the Obama folks made a very little deal of turning the other cheek at the time. If they can’t call in a marker now, we’ll see how well they do at turning up Joe’s cheeks and giving them a good paddle. Now, that assumes that the Obama administration *wants* to support Reid and are not secretly hoping for Joe to act like the stink magnet on their behalf.
Who knows what the real deal is here. The Obama administration, regardless of campaign promises, is exceedingly far from transparent in any regard; however, you can hardly blame them with a 24 hour news media ready to blow a molehill into a mountain at any given opportunity. At least their prevarication is much more imaginative than the former administration’s.
Very mealy-mouthed response by Gibbs. SO Lieberman should be held accountable by his constituents?….Obama is just an observer apparently.
Jane, I might have missed it, but when are you going to focus on the REAL problem, which is named Barack Obama? It is his ‘politics above leadership’ ongoing modus operandi that is the real problem.
Not just with healthcare but MANY other issues, with a big one being foreign policy, an essential aspect -per the Constitution- of the Presidency.
Just one example is Honduras and allowing the situation there to be portrayed solely as a coup, rather than the REAL issue being that the populace wants a new constitution(and whose existing constitution Arias has called the worst in the world).
And Lieberman is just one of many ‘lawmakers’ who are supporting the coup leaders.
On his way to give love to Mr. Opt Out, Creigh Deeds, no less.
“If Obama truly does support the public option, he’ll be twisting Joe’s arm. Likewise, Harry Reid.”
Personally, I’d rather see arm breaking than arm twisting. But that’s just me… Hell, the Senate has good medical. Why would they give a shit?
The Obama Administration reserves their ire for critics on the Left.
“Very mealy-mouthed response by Gibbs.”
That was my impression. Gibbs is not Ari Fleischer, but he’s not Bill Moyers, either…
No Surprise. Joe Liberman: I (Insurance).
He is the senator of the insurance state, CT.
Or Reid should be if he fails to deliver on health care. One can read Gibbs’ statement a couple of ways. The most important thing though is the WH has no intention of lifting a finger against Joe or anyone else who stands in the way of health care reform. Evidently it is our job to hold accountable those who would sink the reform effort. Fine by me. I’ll be keeping an eye out for a primary challenger to the President in 2012.
I’m trying to get Lieberman-bashing going on Twitter. Should the hashtag be #Lieberbashing or just #HeyJoe? I’ve tried out both and will report back if either catches on…
Lieberman had his moment of accountability in 2006. The next one will be 2012.
I have to wonder, is Lieberman really the WH’s lapdog so much that he’s willing to be thrown to the wolves via his constituents? My guess is that he’s acting on his own.
Well, there’s always Ralph Nader…
Obama must think this is just hilarious, while We The People are going bankrupt and suffering and dying.
Reid responds
Joe Lieberman is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life.
Actually, the WH’s public response was appropriate. In situations like this, the tough stuff is done privately.
His time has come and gone, but I hope Taibbi manages to draft Elizabeth Warren…
The gavel should be yanked right now. Even for saying he would filibuster with the repugs he should lose it.
Time to get tough. Reid needs to come out strong against this right now. As does every other dem. Any dem not condeming Liberman should have all of his gavels and what not revoked also.
No more rolling over
Bloody goddamned millionaires club.
He’s probably figuring if he gets thrown out on his ass in 2012, he can always cash in on a gig with Big Medical. He wins either way. What a scumbag…
He’ll be 78 in 2012. That’d be a first.
My, this is a surprise! Harry isn’t going to be reelected the way he is butchering this, is he? Joe is going to be his undoing.
Well Senator Reid, it looks like reconciliation on the House Bill 676 is all you have left to save your job? You and the rest of the members of congress that have elections next year. Because you know how people are going to remember you, don’t you?
So do we just start calling Sen. Levin Mr. Chairman or does there need to be some sort of trial or something first?
Funny how the names of the members of Short Ride’s Committee keep coming up in this current debate. I wonder how much of this fiasco has to do with kabuki related to the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.
“Joe Lieberman is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life.”
And he promised to have my Mormon ass over for bagels real soon, too…
Fuck Joe LIE-berman
Get the barf bag.
Gibbs’ response could be read as a threat too.
Jim: I’d use both. Sometimes multiple tags are actually better.
As for Lieberman: HEY, SENATOR REID! Cut the idiot loose! He’s going to cost you your next election. Maybe even your next primary. Or… just let him have his way. Again. Without any accountability.
Lieberman is a narcissist, just like Snowe. You think Reid, Rahm and Obama haven’t sorted this all out in advance? They had a tough session the other day prior to Reid’s announcing that the Senate would pass a (weak) PO, rather than the Trigger. They all know where Lieberman is coming from. And they know that the old fatuous fat-ass just wants to get his screen time back.
Gore is a great person, but nominating that asshole as his running mate was unforgivable.
time to NEUTER THIS PRICK
YUP
I actually agree with this. What could the WH do–threaten or cajole him openly with the outcomes so uncertain? Is he just trying to get the Dems to court Snowe some more, so she can get more insurance industry donations? The man is a big sleaze bag, and clearly is on the side of the insurance industry, as so much is headquartered in Connecticut.
There are two kinds of Democrats, some who believe they are working for the industries and business interests in their state (remember the Wall Street mantra from some years ago, “One dollar = one vote”) and the other who are working for the citizens. This is the real opposition, not Republicans who are increasingly silly doofuses trying to honor those phony tea parties.
left of the left………g
Joe Lieberman is a perfect example of why the government of this country no longer functions.
Can someone help me get unconfused? I’ve lost track. Is this the comedy phase or the farce phase?
Hey Obama, what has Joe LIEberman done for you lately? Answer:
Yes, it could be and that is why it was a good response.
It is the political phase which almost always involves both comedy and farce.
This is the guy Al Gore thought would be a good Dem VP?
Jim:
I just tweeted you a couple more…
#LIEbermania and #LIEBERmegaloMANia
It’s the F**k Joe phase. And, he brought it all on himself. Stepped right into it. We keep waiting for his last embarrassment, don’t we?
Not only should Lieberman loose his chairmanship he should also be put on trial for mass murder. Why?
Becausue every day – with malice of forethought – he jams up health care reform and the strong public option another 122 of our fellow Americans die because they cannot afford health care.
Where did Lieberman learn his morals, duties as Senator to his fellow citizens and basic human compassion – Studying the inner workings of Hitler Youth Camps?
They are inexorably inseparable. In politics.
Lieberman says he’ll join a Republican filibuster if he’s not happy…
late to the thread and haven’t read comments – my bad.
I believe that I said just last night – “Beware of the Lieberweasel.”
And for the record, I also questioned why no one seems to be looking at Evan Bayh as a possible defector.
Here.
So, does this mean that Bushboy’s lovechild has his finger on Olympia’s trigger?
Lieberman is not yet off the reservation. Allowing the bill onto the floor represents a walkback of his previous threats.
And “if the bill remains what it is now” is a loophole big enough even for Lieberman’s ego to get through.
And that gavel is not going to be his if there are 57-58 angry members of his caucus. I think he’ll play it right up to the brink and the obey party discipline, just like Olympia Snowe did. At least on procedural opposition.
What will Obama do? Well, I guess that we are just going to have to watch when that event happens.
But Lieberman gets on Sunday talk, looking all so mavericky and bipartisan.
There are more serious things to get exercised about.
They are.
hey Joe
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u81/Sharksinthegenepool/FuckJoe.jpg
Funny (in a sad, twisted way). I was just thinking the same thing as I read this post.
Thanks. That clarified everything. *g*
same guy!
It’s not like he was bitten by a vampire bat between 2000 (VP candidate) and 2006 (whipping boy).
Lieberman epitomizes success in Washington DC, and he has always provided loyal services to the contituencies that matter.
He is even using his current pariah status to pull stunts like this, and play fall guy for a policy outcome the President really wants, but feels he has to distance himself from.
Nice to know that Evan is only concerned about the budget and his being owned by private insurance is not a factor…
We should include that Lieberliar’s wife Haddassah, works against women’s health care. She is a lobbyist for the Pharmaceuticals. These greedy corporations are not accountable to anyone, and charge exorbitant prices for their products. The lobbyists also put in a “Medicare Donut Hole”, which gave the Pharmaceuticals a bonanza in profits. Thanks Haddassah.
This is also a gross conflict of interest, for Joe, not that those “government watchdogs” in DC who love lobbyists would complain.
Lieberman is just being Lieberman. In other words, a complete and utter dick. He has a lot less room to maneuver this time though. He goes to the Republicans and he loses his chairmanship of DHS. He becomes one more whiner and whacko in a caucus full of them. What will his almighty sanctimonious ego do then?
NoJoe
The U.S. Senate’s Gollum
It’s neither the comedy nor the farce phase, because this isn’t about crafting legislation for effective public policy.
Lieberman’s behavior always begs the question of what’s best for the country or even his state.
He’s dependably the biggest whore narcissist in the 111th congress.
hunh. thanks.
it’s unfortunate that “Bayh-Weasel doesn’t seem to have the same cachet that “Lieberweasel” does.
“Bayhbastard”?
“BayhBitch”?
nah – not feeling it.
“Buh-Bye Bayh”, though, I could really get behind in a primary.
Bayh: I Can Imagine Reid’s Bill Failing
The temperature taking of Senate moderates continues. Sen. Evan Bayh (D-IN) doesn’t think of the public option as a high-priority issue. But I asked him whether, in conversations with his fellow moderates, he’s gotten the sense that a health care bill with an opt-out public option might get snagged up before it comes to the floor.
sociopath
Evan is only concerned about the budget and his being owned by private insurance
I take mighty exception to that.
Bayh is owned mostly by the Simon family, with Eli Lilly a close second.
‘Course, I may be a bit behind re his connections with Wellpoint
not sure if this has made it to comments yet but <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/tv/w/002298/"lieberman promised in 2006 to support health care reform.
lying swine. And TOTALLY predictable. So predictable that i am honestly not sure whether to be angry, or to just to roflmao.
Regarding Bayh, who knew that Little Rascal would grow up to be such an asshole?
Okay, jointly owned by private insurance.
because we think of him as a fuckwad accompli
fyi – I always include him in my No counts :D
wouldnt open for me
me either, but I bet it’s a pic of Alfalfa
Try this one.
It’s not his brain, it’s his BANK ACCOUNT. Did you not read that (not that this is any excuse) Connecticut has a high percentage of the health insurance industry headquarters there? Lieberman’s a payola whore. If Obama doesn’t put some serious pressue on this hypocritical pondscum, it will show that Obama doesn’t really want a public option.
I think you’re probably right.
Joe Lieberman is a single-issue politician. All he cares about is Israel. They have universal health care. Why can’t we?
That comment brought a smile to my face :D.
I agree, Jane. Up until now, I think Obama’s passivity has been a plausibly good strategy, although I do think he overlearned the Clinton overinvolvement lesson and I do think Rahm is still fighting the last war. But now, Obama had better get very active (privately and publicly if need be) if he wants to save this bill and his presidency (or else, it’s Clinton redux). Either Obama proves himself a good arm-twister and gets the 60 for an opt-out, we go reconciliation for a robust plan, or there’s no bill. I can’t imagine there are more than 30 or 40 votes for a trigger, much less 50 or 60.
I think this is yet more proof that corporations “elect” the Senators, not the people. Maybe we do the actual physical work of electing, but most of the Senators care only about those who donated to their campaign. Yet another reason why I strongly support repealing that disaster known as the 17th Amendment. Then there would once again be no campaigns for Senators, and the Senators would actually represent the State and their people, and be directly accountable to the State legislature, instead of corporations, unions, or other “groups”. Of course, the chances of this ever happening are pretty much zip :(.
It simply will not do to be undermined and frustrated by this worm. Bemoaning this repulsive rat without taking action gets you nowhere.
As was done before in support of the PO, emails and calls need to flood the office of this piece of crap expressing in very vivid terms what people think of him. That he is loathsome and putrid would be about right.
But so too to Reid’s office exerting him to throw this scum off the Caucus and let him go wherever the hell he wants to go. This lone vermin can not be the cause that frustrates this effort. No need to exort Obama to take any action, not only is he disinclined to act but he is incidental and irrelevant.
At some point you need to make yourself heard and we have just seen that collective action is effective. To be undone by this scum is not conceivable without acting to prevent it.
It is also particularly offensive to see some posts here continue to speculate as to the motives of this shill and that maybe he is just posing. Such thinking at this stage reflects some very deep seated gullibility.
What possible leverage do Obama and Reid have with Lieberman now? He is GONE–I’m sure he is in active negotiations with the Repubs to see what they will give him for bringing down healthcare reform. And you can bet they will give him the moon. He doesn’t need the Dems anymore. The time to punish him is long past.
Its always going to be Clinton redux, as long as Least Worst/Republican Lite is good enough even for people who claim their values inform their politics.
Clinton helped shape the Democratic Party into what it is today – no one should be surprised at the outcomes they get, even after an award winning marketing campaign.
Thanks, Karen. Those are great, as is barbara’s NoJoe. But in the end, I’m going with Sinfonian’s suggestion of our standby of LIEberman. It’s shorter for tweeting (he felt HeyJoe would get confused with Scarborough tweets) and is something many of us have already been using.
The best thing Lieberman can do to protect himself is change his name to Chavez or Castro. Then, Obama will leave him alone. If he’s a domestic opponent of Obama, he’ll be gone after like there’s no tomorrow. We’d much rather fight among ourselves.
Besides, I don’t think Lieberman will be the only holdout. A few others will join him.
The best thing that could happen is to defeat this opt-out plan and then re-open the whole bill beginning with some hearings on single payer. Bring out the advantages of single payer; the public will dig it. It is the half measure that is killing this thing.
This creep shoud have been long gone.Strip him of everything,even his kipper.
I’d say he’s got his sights set higher than that: AIPAC.
Does anyone doubt that there would be enough support among dems to expell leeby from the caucus if he did such a thing? no more aipac money, no more media coverage (well not the kind rape gurney joe wants) no more cake and ice cream. they should do it anyway. is there any support in conn for recalling this dick??
“If they don’t, if Reid and Obama protect his chairmanship — or water down the bill to get his “support” — we’ll know it was all just a nice bit of theater. If Rahm isn’t busting his chops and leaking to Mike Allen, it’ll be a conspicuous “wink wink, nudge nudge, thanks Joe for a job well done.””
Connecting this with chuck todd’s communicando by the white house to reid … just prior to the liebermann news today (what a coincidence) … “don’t ask us for help” … tells you the likely answer to that.
I’ve been saying for a while now, obama is the biggest obstacle to a PO. The coward always has been.
Z
Screw Lieberman and Obama. The question is what are the rest of us going to do. Certainly, Lieberman ought to be thrown out of the caucus. However, it’s really no problem for the Democrats. They can use reconciliation, or even “the nuclear option” to get a bill with a very strong PO passed, stronger than Reid’s, without the opt-out. If they don’t do that, they’re accountable, including Joe of course, but all the rest of them, and Harry Reid, as well. So why aren’t we making a big stink about the Democrats prioritizing “regular order” over 45,000 deaths and one million bankruptcies per year? Don’t play into the kabuki. Strip it away.
That would be what USED to be the middle. *G* Alas, they dragged the right so fat that way the left is now middle right. And the rest of good citizens are anarchists because we want change for the masses.
Sigh.
Marcy Wheeler said it, on tv, too!!! *G*
I guess he thought the Republicans would stop the PO before this. But now it’s going to be in there, so he steps in to stop it on behalf of his state’s insurance companies. Shakedown? Perhaps, but it isn’t clear yet.
mo betta Dems
Great argument to use in this debate!
I agree with you. But I believe that you are missing the thrust of Jane’s article. Simply put, she is posing that this indeed is theater by the leadership, including Reid and Obama. That indeed Joe does owe everything to them. This is a play intended for the less-sophisticated amongst the populace.
Indeed Obama and Reid have not lead the fight for the Public Option, but have responded to each foray by offering another compromise. Our good buddy Rahm Emanuel has been undercutting the healthcare debate from the gitgo. The Public Option was a compromise position and Single-Payer, the real healthcare reform was never allowed on the table by any of the power players, including the Prez. Obama never put these people on the hot seat for that move because he also didn’t want Single-Payer (didn’t want to disrupt the present system sez he). In the past he spoke up for Single-Payer, but once it became a possibility the whole power structure shuddered and the Democratic Party became responsible for a mandate they really didn’t want to have.
This whole play is based on untruths. If the Repubs had wanted something, they would have passed it via the reconciliation process. None of this debate makes any sense in relation to the facts of healthcare and what the people of this country want and need. The American public is being worn out by this process, a process in which each and every turn becomes a new move by the power structure to deny the needs of the people that they are supposed to represent. The game is fixed. Extraordinary pressure has been applied to the system, and we’re seeing how the system responds. More delays and obstructions.
Also, remember that when Ned Lamont won the Democratic Primary, Obama went to campaign for Joe?
No, that didn’t happen, Obama endorsed Lamont after the primary, but nice try.
It must suck to be you today Jane, considering how much you sabatoged Lamont’s campaign with your idiotic blackface gaffe. Yes, I know about that, I was on Lamont’s campaign in 2006…and I was in the conference room the day after your little thoughtless tirade and after Lamont made his comments in Bridgeport distancing himself from blogs. Perhaps you know how much damage control we had to do in the black community, who overwhelmingly backed Lieberman, because of you and because of that, it took our campaign five steps back. We never had a chance.
If I were you, I’d shutup right about now. Lieberman is still in office in part because of your stupidity. You can blame the President all you want to make yourself feel better, you’ll only look as dumb as you did when you helped ruin our chance to elect a progressive Senator in Connecticut, but there isn’t anybody who worked with me on Lamont’s campaign who doesn’t curse your name right about now.
Thanks for nothing. Go back to producing your crappy movies.
Cowardly Chuck Schumer refused to endorse the winner of the Democratic primary (prior to the actual primary election), on Meet The Press because of… who?
The Firefighters union and Harold Schaitberger endorsed (and stumped for, and pilloried Lamont on behalf of) Joe Lieberman because of… who?
Republicans in the state of Connecticut, and from all over the nation supported Joe Lieberman OVER the Republican candidate because of… who?
Barbara Fucking Boxer came to Joe Lieberman’s aid because of… who?
Not even a nice try.
Are you saying they all came to Lieberman’s aid because of Obama, who at the time was a first term two year Senator who hadn’t yet been considering a run for President? I didn’t realize Obama had the kind of power in 2006 lol.
Do you need a dollar so you can buy a clue?
Who said anything about Obama? I do not see the word “Obama” in my comment. I see Schumer, and Harold Schaitberger, and I see Barbara Fucking Boxer, but no Obama.
I would not even posit that a certain vacation at an inopportune time had a bearing on the election, or any of the ‘interesting’ rookie mistakes that abound in a first-time Senate candidate’s run were proximate to the result.
But you have a gigantic chip on your shoulder for that loss, and bringing it to this door is infantile, overheated, piss-poor politics, and if I were you, I would not want anyone to see your display. Change your handle, maybe.
Have a cookie and a glass of warm milk, and suck your thumb until you are asleep. It will help. I promise.
Then who is the who you’re talking about?
I am only here to remind Jane of how she helped screw a great progressive candidate. I have absolutely no interest in staying around this piece of crap useless echo chamber. I’m only here to call out Jane as I see she likes to deflect blame to other people. Jane, you are partly to blame for Lieberman still being in power today.
You want to know what’s infantile, overheated, and piss poor politics? Running a picture of Lieberman in blackface and being surprised when it nearly ruins a campaign.
Jane, you really should being kissing the floor anyone takes you seriously anymore after that crap, because I sure don’t, and I know plenty of others who don’t as well.
So, the milk is working. Excellent.
The Obama Derangement Syndrome is strong with you.
I agree that we need to keep up the pressure on Reid and Obama, and every other damn person we can.
But Lieberman doesn’t have a reservation. Just temporary camps based on how much attn he can get for his ginormous but fragile ego.
A very interesting perspective here, Jane; and one that I’d have to agree with too. Ever since Obama addressed the joint session saying he’s “open to alternatives” I knew something was starting to go off the rails – suspected before, but that was the clincher for me. I took a TON of flack from fellow Lefties who kept insisting he was supporting the option too. While my assertions to the contrary made me fairly unpopular, at least I wasn’t nearly as disappointed when Obama started showing increasing support for the trigger (AKA death of PO). So sadly, I wouldn’t be surprised if Joe did turn out to be “just a nice bit of theater” either. I haven’t cared for many of Obama’s broken promises or capitulations to the Right, but his steadily declining position on HCR is the most disappointing of all for me.
But as far as LIEberman’s part in it goes, I’m with EvilDrPuma:
Juck Loe Fieberman.
I was really hoping to find a petition here on FDL, to strip LIEberman of his chairmanships – yes, even from the subcommittee too. In fact, I figured if there was a petition anywhere for this purpose, that it would be right here.
I heard it would take 30 Democrats to vote to take them away, and I think we could not only do it but also regain a worthwhile amount of respect for Dems once accomplished. Not to mention that we really shouldn’t allow this excellent opportunity-a-knockin’ to render LIEberman useless to go to waste. If not now, then WHEN? Knowing he probably won’t survive the 2012 election isn’t of much comfort to me at all, especially when considering the damage he could cause between now and then.