Only a few years ago, liberals were upset that Dan Rather was pilloried for using questionable documents to prove that George Bush had been AWOL from the Texas Air National Guard. At the time, the fact that the future President of the United States had engaged in really sketchy activity while wrapping himself in the flag seemed much, much more important.
Things have changed. Liberals now are far more concerned with the conspiracy of journalists trying to link Barack Obama to triggers, and their shady practice of using anonymous sources is of much more concern than the potential health care costs to millions of Americans. The fact that the White House is offering up those blind quotes? Well, those are probably all made up too.
February 2009 — Sam Stein of the Huffington Post: “[A] source close to the administration, who has been in contact with the White House on health care matters, said that Emanuel has been “floating” the trigger compromise since January.”
June 2 — Obama, Senate Dems Consider Public Health Care Option With A Trigger: “Multiple Democratic sources tell the Huffington Post that the White House and key members of the Finance and Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (HELP) Committees are in the process of hammering out key principles on health care reform — with a meeting scheduled at the West Wing this afternoon. One of the components will be music to progressive ears: that any bill includes an option publicly run health insurance coverage. But it also comes with a caveat that could engender opposition from that very same constituency [a trigger].”
July 7 — Wall Street Journal: “On Monday, Mr. Emanuel said the trigger mechanism would also accomplish the White House’s goals. Under this scenario, a public plan would kick in under certain circumstances when competition was judged to be lacking.”
September 2 — Marc Ambinder: “The White House hopes that, having voted for a public option, House Dems would accept a “trigger” as part of a conference committee compromise rather than putting the kibosh on the entire health care reform project. In some ways, this strategy is old, and in some ways it’s new. For months, White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel has been pushing the idea of a “trigger” internally, and he and Snowe regularly trade legislative and political intelligence.”
September 9 — The President himself, in his speech before the joint session of Congress: “[S]ome have suggested that the public option go into effect only in those markets where insurance companies are not providing affordable policies [ed -- "Snowe" trigger plan]. Others propose a co-op or another non-profit entity to administer the plan. These are all constructive ideas worth exploring.”
September 22 — Bloomberg: White House Budget Director Peter Orszag “signaled the administration doesn’t consider a government-run insurance program essential to the legislation. He suggested it would be sufficient to either create nonprofit insurance-purchasing cooperatives or set “triggers” to activate a public option if needed to cut costs.
September 23 — Mike Lux, Open Left: “Some senior White House staffers are now beginning to try to sell this trigger to progressive groups as the compromise version of a public option, saying the White House doesn’t want to have a floor fight in the Senate, and that they can always fix it in conference committee.”
September 30 — Karen Tumulty, Time Magazine: “[T]he Obama White House has made no secret of its belief that the trigger could be the compromise on the public option that the President has been looking for.”
October 13 — Rahm Emanuel on PBS NewsHour: “[The President] believes strongly because of what it achieves in the sense of keeping the competition that insurance companies need, so the prices don’t continue to jump and out of control, that, if there are other ways to achieve that goal, as you know, Senator Snowe has the idea of a trigger, that, in case that price isn’t achieved or that competition isn’t achieved, there be a trigger that then the option, a public option, would come available.”
October 14 — NYT reports that “two senior administration officials” say the White House “looked favorably” on Olympia Snowe’s plan for a trigger. “[I]n private conversations with Ms. Snowe, Mr. Obama has brought up her idea for a trigger that would create a government-run plan in states where at least 5 percent of residents lacked access to affordable care. One senior White House official called the idea ‘very reasonable.’”
October 15: Bloomberg: “The Obama administration signaled a willingness to compromise on a proposed government-run health- insurance company by praising Senator Olympia Snowe’s plan to start the entity only if private insurers don’t meet targets … A senior administration official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said that while President Barack Obama prefers the public option, Snowe’s trigger was a potentially good compromise if the Senate decides to pursue it.”
October 23 — Brian Beutler, TPM: “High level White House officials have floated the trigger trial balloon a number of times in the press, and it seems they continue to do so, even at this crucial stage of the health care reform process, when their involvement is greatest. That has senators who support the public option concerned.”
October 23 — CNN: “In recent days, two administration officials have told CNN that the prevailing White House opinion is for the Senate health care bill to include a so-called “trigger” mechanism proposed by Snowe that would bring a public option in the future if thresholds for expanding coverage and lowering costs go unmet in coming years.”
October 24 — Sam Stein and Ryan Grim, Huffington Post: “President Barack Obama is actively discouraging Senate Democrats in their effort to include a public insurance option with a state opt-out clause as part of health care reform. In its place, say multiple Democratic sources, Obama has indicated a preference for an alternative policy, favored by the insurance industry, which would see a public plan ‘triggered’ into effect in the future by a failure of the industry to meet certain benchmarks.”
The fact that the White House worked hand in hand with the Finance Committee to craft a bill, which doesn’t have a public option? Meaningless. Reports that they would have put a trigger in that bill but didn’t have the votes to get it through? More lies. When Mike Allen says “Administration officials have been telling POLITICO for weeks now that [a “trigger” option] is the most likely compromise?” Made it up out of thin air. The complete absence of any reporting saying that Obama has called a single Senator or Representative to urge them to vote for a public option? Well, that’s because he’s cleverly waiting until the last minute to fix it in conference. And anything else can be chalked up to Rahm, who obviously doesn’t work for the President.
If there were cynics in the White House, they might conclude that they were free to do pretty much anything they want. As long as the President says one thing, it doesn’t matter what reporters report — they’re all scurrilous and disreputable anyway.



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The vast left wing conspiracy.
I will be happy when the jokes about President Snowe are a distant memory.
Jane Hamsher for President. Give ‘em hell, Jane.
This is one welcome article, Jane! Thanks ever so much for cutting through all the bs for us, and helping me avoid having a stroke.
Do I detect a minor touch of sarcasm in the last two paragraphs?
Why no! None at all.
;)
if you’ve been following the Barack for Prom King! comments on some of the other major sites:
Yes.
Jane is the Snark Queen of Blogistan !
There has to be more that we can do. Obama has literally lied to the lefty base. The president is a corporate sellout and a liar. The amount of “Liberals” who can’t see it and defend the man no matter what he does disgust me.
I’ve written god knows how many letters, I’ve called endlessly, and I just straight don’t have it in me anymore. I can’t push on the ocean like this with the knowledge that it’s all futile because we have a sellout for a president and all this great lefty surge was taken advantage of. Obama played us perfectly.
There has to be something more, because I can’t just sit here and call anymore, and sign E-mail petitions, I won’t do it anymore.
Action, we need some kind of actual action. Why have we not already lined up a primary challenger against Obama?
Grayson, Weiner, SOMEONE should announce right now that unless the president starts acting like a lefty they will challenge him, and then keep acting like it.
But this is beyond futile, it’s to obvious that corporate interests are in charge here. I can’t work for it like this anymore knowing that phone calls and E-mails are pointless.
Jane, there has to be something real, something to rally us behind before Cynicism claims us.
Because right now I’m disgusted enough with politics to be done with it and just keep calling for another American revolution, because I’m convinced it is the only viable option for justice anymore. I’d love to be proven wrong, but I’m not going to be am I?
the Democratic establishment cannot be saved. People who still think it can are fools. We need to fight it now or we lose this chance and have to wait for conservatives to destroy the country again.
The fact that so few people (ostensibly) connected to the administration will speak on the record is rather damning. If Obama was really advocating for a PO it seems like he would want the public to know it. The occasional ethereal statements that the president supports a PO without any evidence of such are meaningless.
The whitewash of what really happened last week is well underway. Jonathan Cohn at TNR summarizes the new “it was all a big misunderstanding” meme:
http://www.tnr.com/blog/the-treatment/obama-cool-the-opt-out
But the net result was we lost the momentum for the robust Med+5% public option in the House. Thanks Obama!
Great job on the timeline chocked full of anonymous white house sources. No more. If you’ve got something to say on an issue, give the reporters your name, Rahm.
Everyone in the media ought to just demand On The Record for the remainder of the health care debate.
New WH meme (if things work out): we wanted a PO all along.
New new WH meme (held in reserve in case they don’t): it’s all the fault of the left of the left.
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Hamsher and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Ah Sister Jane would you once and for all please tell me where we are in the process?!! Since we know “triggers” aren’t goin’ anywhere except into the distraction dustbin and the “opt-out” is questionable constitutionally and won’t live through the House of Representatives and would need to get by the progressives in the House after conference…then, pray tell, where are we now? I don’t give a big rat’s ass who has been floating what and for how long because now that this healthcare thing has grown far beyond the control of any single player (as opposed to “single payer” heh-heh) there is no alternative for Obama except a bill the will work and work fast. As I have been sayin’ for months now, Obama is not stupid, he knows that the public has been mobilized and expectations have been raised to the point that, on this issue at least, anything less than a strong public option will cost him his presidency and the party it’s majorities.
Now we can argue who is most responsible for galvanizing the great mass of the public behind real healthcare reform (I for one am willin’ to argue that Obama has played this one beautifully and will NOT let the final bill be tagged “Obama Care” under any circumstances) but the only thing that really matters is who is gunna be willing to take the hit for no bill or a weak bill. Where is the process now, at some point Obama is gunna hafta allow the bill to move out and the politics will out…do you really think Obama is stupid enough to be tied to a failure?
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THERE IS NOWHERE FOR ANYONE TO HIDE NOW!!
My head still swims. Every pundit, and I mean all of them, declared the public option dead because the votes weren’t there in the Senate. The signal was unmistakable to the left, “resistance is futile.”
Now, as the public option has been drug kicking and screaming from the grave the meme they offer is what kind of triggers or opt outs does Murrika have to escape the DFH. Verdad?
if it walks like a duck…
Obama has been trying to duck the PO all along, for absolutely no good reason.
a bit of solid leadership by him could have made all the difference.
The “pundits” work for corporate owned media outlets which (at the very least) receive advertising revenue from big insurance companies. Might there be a slight conflict of interest?
He seems more concerned with the optics, i.e. failure to pass a bill hurts Dems in the midterms and his reelection chances in 2012, than he is with passing a GOOD bill which actually helps people.
Reid press conference today to announce his decision.
Hear Hear. If we do not demand and get our health care, we will never see the congress or our government do anything for us again. Remember New Orleans. The city of the dead will never be rebuilt. Note how no one is talking about it. The people that stayed seem to have figured out how to own all the property by foreclosing with the help of colluding bankers, judges, attorneys and loan companies.
It’s all about the crime you can get away with.
but.. but..but isn’t that a picture of Roy Rodgers and his horse “Trigger” Jane??
HR676 is the only bill that will truly fix the medical debacle that Health Care is now!
get a bill through the Senate, then fix it in the conference.
that is where the ox gets gored. it could be for good or ill.
that is where OB plays his card.
The timeline is a major contribution for the those in possession of short-term memory, only.
The most interesting bit was Obama’s favorable attitude towards triggers/co-ops during his address to Congress last September. “These are all constructive ideas worth exploring.” This belies the WH blog claim published yesterday, that Obama is insisting upon a public insurance option be in the Health Reform Olio.
agreed, his optics seem to be viewed through the bottom of a Coke bottle.
i think trigger was with roy and dale…not gene
3 hours and counting…
There was a time when I thought that President Obama didn’t want to advocate for the PO publicly because he had to protect his image, which will not be insignificant in 2010 elections. In other words, what if he were to push publicly for the PO and it still failed, or even failed because Democrats in the Senate pushed back?
But more and more I’m thinking you’re right. There are ways for him to control the message without running too many risks. But his administration doesn’t appear to be doing what it should to move things very far toward a PO.
I’m not sure that the Obama WH’s use of the media by means of “anonymous sources” is all that different from what the Bush WH did. In fact, I recall members of the Bush administration using anonymity as a tool in leaking to the media in order to get the sh*t that they wanted.
I’m fine with the Obama WH using anonymity as a tool so long as it gets the job done right.
reality shows, today’s marathon dances.
they shoot horses dont they?
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/25/opinion/25rich.html?_r=1&ref=opinion
What you say is true, however, it has the added advantage balance. Palin, Beck and Rush, the Cerberus of the Teabaglican Party, are batshit insane. Therefore, progressive activists such as us must be automatically and equally crazy and shunned for equilibrium to exist in the Village.
Seems like a lot of pols perceive the world through their bottoms.
thank you for this.
There are two people I follow when it comes to this debate: jane hamsher and booman, who are about as opposite as two writers can be on the topic.
I am not sure who is right, but i tend lean toward Jane’s interpretation. I do have some sympathy for the concept that by making people angry enough to call, protest, and raise hell, that Obama is pursuing a “make me do it” strategy, which seems to be at the core of a lot of Booman’s theory.
But at the end of the day, i do not trust politicians, especially not US politicians, to do the right thing. And even though i tend to distrust anonymous sources, when all of them are saying the exact same thing, it is difficult to discount them.
As i’ve remarked at boomantribune several times, we shall see.
I’ll also add, in the interest of full disclosure, that I am pessimistic at best.
I have bet booman a case of his favorite beer if he’s right. If I’m right, i’ve asked for nothing, as the shame and despair will be enough. It’s a bet I hope to lose, but which i don’t think I will.
The conspiracy is more complicated than you’ve imagined! :-)
The Villagers would have done it regardless but Obama has frequently been dismissive of “-the folks on the Left.”
I thought it was Wilbur and Ed.
Citizen ratfood:
You have it half right: Obama not only needs a bill but he needs a good bill and one that will show results immediately.
Obama is not stupid, if I can figure this out then so can he…in fact I believe that the process to get a bill out at all required the organization of public opinion on the issue like it has never been organized before. Obama facilitated that mobilization or at least encouraged it so as to give himself some leverage and space to triangulate with the corporate players when the politics came to stalemate…I would argue that the public mobilization and politics of this thing roared past all the players before they could stop it and now Obama is stuck needing a strong bill and still needing to appear to be forced to support it.
Obama may have been too clever by a long shot but he hasn’t gotten stupid in the process.
Yeah cbl2… I loved the overnight diary on DK bashing HuffPo saying that Arianna had the nerve to tell Biden to resign! (Not understanding of course that Arianna was just calling Biden’s bluff to try to get him to take a stronger stand…).
And then many, many commenters piling on about how critical HuffPo has been of Obama.
But my favorite part was how the diarist admitted that she did like the stories about Michelle’s clothes. Geez louise.
[Faint voice in the back of my mind reminding me that democracy depends upon an informed electorate.... ]
i’ll add, by the way, that this whole “everyone’s lying but obama” shit is precious. just fuckin’ precious.
some people at daily kos are no better than freepers.
True, we would be less likely to question his methods (up to a point) if we got the sense he was actively pursuing the proper goals.
I am with you on this I have also wrote many letters, E-Mails and phone calls to the White House and have yet to receive a response. I was a big Hillary supporter and took a beating from friends and family for it. I told them that this guy was a great speaker but a weak kneed empty suit. look if he had any balls after the victory we gave him and the party he should not only be out there for a strong Public Option but should have went for Single payer to begin with.
oh and, Reid Going With Opt Out
thank dog WH dispatched the King of all Triggers and his pals Jarrett and Orszag to babysit Reid and the other kids during last week’s bills merging sessions – Epic Fail !
it has been one of the most significant lessons I’ve personally taken from this epic battle – we really need to grow the f* up
I suppose there might be a plan by the WH but I am so tired of the games, the tilting, the leaning, and the lack of openness with the American people. I realize that the sausage making is usually not done in the open but this has become little more than a circus. This is NOT the way to do politics.
“I do have some sympathy for the concept that by making people angry enough to call, protest, and raise hell, that Obama is pursuing a “make me do it” strategy, which seems to be at the core of a lot of Booman’s theory.”
One MIGHT accept this premise if Obama had not made a public option for healthcare reform a central part of his campaign… there’s even a video of him on youtube in an 2003 AFL-CIO speech saying that his real preference is single payer!
Obama fed us the idea that he was for a strong public option (the real joke is that the “public option” that will likely emerge is anything but strong… but the media has made it into the holy grail of healthcare, when in fact it is anemic at best in bringing strong competition to the criminal insurance industry… but I digress).
IMHO we should not have to “hold him accountable” for things he clearly campaigned on.
I believe the current White House’s principal aim is to lock in a second term with Big Money, and to hell with the rank and file party members. The usual schtick.
Looks as though I cannot, in good conscience, vote for Obama in ’12. He’s acting to close to his vest in many policies, other that the PO for me to trust him. Emailed his WH blog to that effect.
the make me do it theroy sucks . Look we gave this guy the White House the Senate and Congress. instead of Make me Do it . He should be saying look Snowe this is the way it’s going to be I won.
I do not share your confidence in Obama’s strategy or his role in facilitating public pressure. I think the latter occurred DESPITE his efforts.
Obama is not himself a progressive and has frequently been condescending toward the Left. That condescension has had a demoralizing effect. The public pressure to include a PO has increased because of the work of a lot of good people (like Jane) and because this issue is too important to sit on the sidelines and simply hope pols will do the right thing.
from kos
There is a huge not-so-subtle PR effort underway to try to hijack the debate from being about affordable healthcare into being just about “coverage” and “insurance”. They have the biggest war chest in the history of advertising-spending literally millions of dollars a day trying to kill affordable healthcare in the US by substituting unacceptable alternatives for it. And they control both political parties.
Now, just a heads up. A study came out last year that clearly, they see as a threat, and rightly so, because it statistically proved that the cost to America of the insurance-based rationing system in the US is HUGE in terms of deaths, its a genocide of poorer people. Two Vietnam Wars or Sixty September 11ths a year, die, because of the politicians willingness to sell America out.
101,000 Americans die each year because they DONT HAVE ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE. Not because they dont have insurance BECAUSE MOST OF THOSE PEOPLE DO HAVE INSURANCE. Keep that in mind, as you watch the politicians try to do anything to delay real change. Anything that preserves the insurance system KEEPS PEOPLE DYING.
* Andiamo’s diary :: ::
And there are ways to give us the sense that he is pursuing the proper goals w/o directly sticking his neck out.
My hope at this point is that he’s waiting on a whole host of things until late 09 and early 2010 in order to begin building momentum for 2010.
If he were to have accomplished everything in the first nine months, the energy might fail next year when it’s needed most.
Of course, that assumes that he won’t step all over the energy and kill it by selling us out. Not sure what he’d gain by doing that!
Have you seen the latest PCCC ad that will run in Maine at least 200 times? I think it makes this point very well.
I agree completely… Rahm clearly sold the trigger to Obama as the only way provide cover for the Blue Dogs for relection…
And I beleive all of Obama’s “trojan horse” behaviors are centered around securing a second term… also probably pushed by Rahm.
Let’s hope Obama comes to his senses…
Sad reality is, tho, with a two party system… we will have to vote for the huge disappointment that Obama has become to preclude nutcases running the country.
Altho… if his constituency drops him, the vote might be close enough for the Repubs to steal it again.
Lovely thought.
On the health care struggle, Obama has seemed to me like a parent who slaps his kid while saying ‘I love you.’
The kid keeps wanting to believe it, evidence to the contrary.
It’s crappy.
great post Jane
Senator Snowe during the Senate finance committee two weeks ago. There have been “decades of inaction”
Republicans etc as well as the Insurance companies have had “decades” to address healh care reform…they have no.
Times up….Pull the trigger….. Now
I wish Ted Kennedy had been healthy and able to steward this effort. He did the best he could under the circumstances, bless him.
I think you’re approaching this with the right attitude.
I’m somewhat on the Booman side of things. Jane’s provided a great compilation of evidence, but there’s another side of the argument as well. The Sept. 23rd Mike Lux quote above is in line with what Booman says Obama told progressive bloggers personally in a conference call over the summer — that they just want to get something, anything through the Senate, and can make the the bill stronger in the conference committee report (which if I understand thing properly, can’t be filibustered and so only needs 50 Senate votes).
What evidence is there to support this? Well, as I noted in a comment last week, there have been no reports of Obama leaning on Pelosi to soften the House bill. And even with WH aides (including Rahm) in the room during the Senate discussions this past week, there was no mention of triggers until the now-infamous end-of-week meeting with Obama.
If Obama was really determined to kill the PO (which I agree a trigger would do), wouldn’t they be trying a little harder? Whatever pushback there was in that meeting, it doesn’t seem to have upset the applecart too badly, since Reid’s scheduled to have a press conference today to announce his final decisions. That in itself suggests the conflict was overblown — rather than the open rebellion it would be if Pelosi and Reid were both pushing the PO against Obama’s wishes.
If we were living in an alternate reality where the trigger was the best solution (rather than a terrible one), it seems like people would be rightly furious over Obama’s half-hearted support for the trigger.
I’m glad Ted Kennedy is not around to see what a sellout Obama has become on healthcare.
He had such high hopes for it this time around. Instead we’re shoveling more money to the insurance companies… it is despicable.
I’ve been casting lesser of evils votes for the past 30 years, so I’ll vote for Dems in any event, however I suspect they are going to have trouble matching the voter turnout of 2008.
who wudda thunk???
Very damning, and revealing, chronology. It really does expose how the White House’s will – whether it’s mostly generated by Emanuel or Obama – has been pushing, pushing, pushing (always with deniability for Obama) to make a trigger “inevitable” and the only “realistic” option. It’s really despicable double-dealing, given Obama’s repeated public utterances about the public option.
Since this one’s going to have legs, I imagine, if there’s time and inclination to fix them, two remaining minor typos I noted:
1. Remove the extra “that” in the second line of the September 9 entry (Obama’s speech excerpt).
2. In the second-to-last paragraph, this sentence:
The complete absence of any reporting saying that Obama has called a single Senator or member of Congress and urge them to vote for a public option?
should probably read:
The complete absence of any reporting saying that Obama has called a single Senator or Representative to urge them to vote for a public option?
[Senators I believe formally qualify as "Members of Congress," as do Representatives in the House.]
There are also unclosed quotes (just missing the closing quotation mark) in some of the dated entries: the first, the third, the sixth, the seventh, the twelfth, and the last one.
[modnote: done, thank you.]
You have no idea how tired I am of “the lesser of two evils” Honestly if I ever say it again I’m just skipping voting that day.
That’s the problem, the dems know you’re going to vote for them anyway.
It may cost us power for some years, but we need to teach them that this is certainly not the case.
anything that is real action
and @53
You are a fool sir. If that’s the case then Obama can’t read because he’s had more than enough cover to actually start fighting. If that was true why would he be pushing his deals so hard still?
You’re like an abused woman, it’s OK to leave Obama, he’s not god, quite the opposite he’s just another selfish human like the rest of us.
The trigger conspiracy is another stunning example of the leftwing bias of facts.
And swopa I’m guessing that Obama armtwisting Rockefeller was just more of this 11-dimensional chess game that Obama finds so much more compelling than the exercise of leadership. Well, I must admit he does have an impressive track record at it. We are out of Iraq, drawing down in Afghanistan, the banksters are chastened, domestic spying has been stopped, Guantanamo is closed. Yeah, I guess you’re right.
The party is not obligated to nominate the incumbent. If the party is as strong as is averred and the Tories are in disarray, I think an alternate candidate is quite the distinct possibility. It would certainly settle the question of who’s really in charge, big money or the rank and file party members.
I should add, that I don’t think Rahm is the principal agent in this scheme. He was hired to advise along the lines Team Obama seems hellbent on pursuing.
Chomsky is fond of saying that as a public we are laboring under a system where the people are atomized, meaning there are barriers to acting collectively to advance our interests.
In spite of those barriers, there are instances in the recent past when acting collectively we have made accomplishments and generally people are less tolerant of systematic abuse than in the past. As a majority we are less intolerant and less willing to blindly follow the governments lead. So there is reason for hope. The internet has been a godsend in this regard.
I think that the most effective way to exert influence is through collective financing of opponents to incumbents. Alternative candidates should be approached and assured of financial support should they run.
Weiner, Rockefeller, Brown, Sanders would all be a vast improvement to this pathetic mass of inertia that is Obama.
Obama had declared his allegiance long ago. He is a vapid and pathetic sort without any firm convitions. We should be rid of him, we need no further proof of that.
Guantanamo is closed?
Domestic syping has been stopped?
We’re drawing down afganistan?
What fantasy world do you live in sir?
Guantanamo is still wide open, despite a general saying he could close it in 10 days
Domestic spying has still be authorized, because Obama supported renewing FISA.
Afganistan just got a major commitment of troops from foreign sources, and our generals are sayign we need mroe troops.
See, battered woman syndrome. Obama is slapping you around and you just keep going “But he loves me!”
Obama has flip flopped on EVERY single campaign promise, not a single one has been held up except for stem cells, and even that was just an XO, not a real law.
Here’s the best reporting I’ve found on Barack Obama’s private conversations with Senators concerning the public option:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-tc-nw-healthcare-obama-1003-oct04,0,1969667.story
It’s titled “Health care reform: Privately, Barack Obama strongly backs public option.” It details his calls to Senators, most of whom had been behind compromise proposals, which suggests he wants to avert a compromise. If anyone can provide me with comparable reporting detailing Obama’s conversations with supporters of the public option where he tries to move them towards the trigger, I will be very interested.
I think the fact that we’re a few votes away in each chamber from a triggerless public option proves that this has always been Democratic plan A. Jane has admirably proved that the White House has actively promoted a trigger, particularly when so many people were buying the “Public Option’s Dead” meme. If that had been true and there really was no chance of a real public option, I think it’s hard to argue against the White House’s preference for a trigger over no bill. But I see nothing to suggest a trigger was ever their ideal solution or that they prefer it now that a real public option is on the verge of passage.
There’s been much more reporting about the White House’s inclinations towards Biden’s Afpak plan than about their inclinations towards the trigger. Does that prove that Biden will win the argument? No, it just proves that his plan is on the table.
The only thing Obama hasn’t done for the public option is wave the veto pen in public. It’s frustrating, it would have been nice to see him draw public lines in the sand and try to cut short these months of debate, but you know what they say about herding cats. Instead, it’s been secretive, slow, and unclear to everyone where he really stands – which looks like the right strategy now that we’re a few votes away from a triggerless public option.
All that said: keep up the fight Jane! As Johnson and FDR said, “make me do it,” and ironically I think if you hadn’t been holding their feet to the fire, your trigger theory might have been right.
That is a great point. There is always this tendency to act like problems that have been around for a long time never existed until the most recent round of debate. McChrystal’s plans for Afghanistan are another example. We have been there 8 years but only now is it urgent to address and only if we address it his way. Same thing about triggers. The healthcare industry has certainly had at least since 1993 or 16 years to show it could deliver good healthcare affordably to all Americans. Never happened.
precisely Hugh’s point.
Well, now we can see why Jane is doomed to forever be considered a blog-ess and nothing more …
She falls head over heals for every report that a DC insider writes from off-the-record non-attributal sources from hearsay and pass-down-the-alley.
The point in not listening to this garbage is to get away from these DC parlor games and instead work on getting your message directly to legislators.
Believing these reports and spending your energy on endless back-and-forth he said, she said and speculation is nothing more than blogger’s fish & chip paper.
You seem to be a recent addition to the crew here. You really need to turn on your snark-o-meter or buy a new one.
Citizen mikesong:
Beautiful, Brother mikesong, now where have you been with this great analysis for the last few weeks??!! I think you are closer to the actual story here…I would include that Obama has very cleverly kept himself from being identified with ANY plan other than the “public option” and that until this entire movement roared past all the players who were tryin’ ta control expectations and the outcome, Obama was tryin’ ta set himself up with the space and the leverage to triangulate a “compromise” if the corporate interests succeeded in stalematting the whole thing. The mass of public support has surprised all the beltway players and now Obama has nowhere to go other than to clear the way for a public option without being seen as the instrument for it’s inactment: “See, this is what the people want…I can’t do anything about it.”
You have any proof she’s wrong?
If not you can leave Obamabot, this is a facts only zone.
Didn’t pick up on the snark reading it….still don’t really, but everyone seems to say that’s sarcasam so.
Citizen Inquisitr:
Becareful with the labels and epithets you throw around and who you throw ‘em at, there Citizen. Would you like to call me an “Obamabot” too…becareful where you aim when you put live ammunition in front of your toung there, Brother.
This is really addressed to mk3872 whose comment probably isn’t snark but should be.
With Obama we need to pay attention not only to what he says, but what he doesn’t say, what he could have said, and above all what he does. There is a considerable discrepancy between all of these. So yes, in the absence of any real leadership, he said, she said is important in trying to figure out what the end product is going to be with Obama. Also although misconstued above, we do have a track record with Obama. He has opted for the status quo at every opportunity. So as in the current debate, Obama promoting through backdoor channels a status quo position has to be taken seriously, even indicative of where he is headed.
Big words from someone who just called Jane a “just a Blog-ess”
I call you Obamabot because anyone who still believes Obama is on “our side” or a lefty is a fool who has bought the hype about Obama hook line and sinker.
If you can’t connect the dots I feel bad for you.
And I’m not your brother, please don’t call me such. My brothers are the poeple fighting for what’s right and those who no longer give the corporate sellout in the WH the benefit of the doubt. Those who believe he is still on their side are not my brothers or comrades, they are fools that we will have to either convince or get around like blue dogs.
I’m not here for consensus. I’m here to find some path to action that will actually change things. I’d love to see the “lefty blogs” endorse a primary opponent against Obama right now. But there needs to be something more than just call your senator and sing this petition.
We all want change , that’s why most of us are here at the Lake.
How many of you expected things to change overnight?
This country is a friggin mess, deregulation of the banking industry tax cuts to the rich tax policies that reward businesses for moving offshore big money influences in Washington big money influences in elections two wars going on an unemployment rate at 9.6 percent the huge differences between the rich and the poor 47 million people without healthcare crumbling infrastructure failing schools global warming………………..
not gonna change overnight
You’re not alone. Matt Taibbi says it’s all about raw political power now and change may take a Revolution.
It’s also not gonna change if the leader we elected in with a huge edict does nothing and doesn’t ever actually lead.
That fact that Obama selected Rahm for COS did not bode well and it was no accident. It indicates that they are philosophically compatible and it nearly goes without saying that Rahm is no advocate for the common good.
It’s quite plain. President Obama said at one point that he supports the public option. That’s all the evidence we need that he’s on our side and secretly fighting for it. No need to question him. In fact, it’s downright mean to do so.
it’s the classic catch 22
you have to remain in office to make the changes you proposed
but you won’t stay in office if you upset the wrong apple cart
Obama’s dancing on the edge of a razor blade right now
Sarcasmo excelente !!
hey6 BB don’t forget the 47000 that die each year for lack of medical access..
how goes it BB?
No he’s not. If you take the smallest pool you can fidn you’ll see the PO has over 50% approval, most polls put that at 60%, some at 70% depending upon how you play with the language.
the GOP has never been as unpopular as theya re today, it’s lower than when they impeached Clinton
He has all the cover he could ask for, he’s just a sellout.
Best add a snark tag to that, emotions have been running high.
Well said. The President’s behind the scenes leadership on this issue leaves a lot to be desire. But Harry Reid, of all people, stood up to the President and stood for a plan which would put patients before profits. Now we’ll see if they’ll back this option–the option preferred by Democrats–as strongly as they backed Sen. Snowe’s worthless insurance industry-back trigger.
Doing good nahant , good to hear from you !
Getting ready for my shift at The Oxford House with the kids
Gotta sign off for now I’ll be back tnite
*cough* … let’s get to calling Senators and signing petitions, folks !
Tell that to the DCCC, DNC, and DSCC when they come a-calling for dough. Let them know that Clintonesque triangulation to coddle Rahm’s Blue Dogs will not work.
By most accounts Reid is set to propose a PO with an opt-out clause, which most of us agree is undesirable. Arguably better than triggers but hopefully the opt-out will not be included in the final package. Anyway, we’ll know what Reid has in mind in a couple hours.
Rahm thinks he is the main guy because of his crazy brother Dr. Death.
Obama never wanted the public option but things backfired on him bigtime.
The rest of the bill is a mess with a huge pricetag. Anyone know where the money is actually going? Anyone know where the Medicare cuts are coming from? (advantage only 1 bil, 500 more will be cut).
A trillion dollars to get the insurance companies to stop using pre-existing conditions? Come on.
Obama has screwed the left yet again. His whole life has been wrapped up with the health insurance industry. You’ve all been had.
We’re getting to know him now. He’s a former liberal, presently a Reagan Democrat (or, if you prefer, Blue Dog) who parades as a progressive and uses the “left” to rally at his convenience.
I would give him this advice: You will probably lose a lot of Democratic seats and governorships because you lost the base. Instead of working so hard hustling for money for those losers, why don’t you try doing the right thing? It would be a lot less work and would enhance your trashed image.
Again I ask, where is all this money going? Instead of buying insurance policies for people (or subsidizing them, same thing) public funds should be used to actually treat people. Its just a bailout for insurance companies and I doubt it will be successful. The south is screwed now but I think we were all screwed at the start anyway.
Obama is no change. He’s chump change for us, tax dollars for his buddies.
Citizen Inquisitr:
You ,Citizen, have stepped into a tab of shit without a floatation device…I have NEVER called Citizen Hamsher a “Blogg-ess” and if you think for a moment that you have even half the brain cells required to figure Obama out then you are not just over enthused and hyperactive you are simply stupid.
You are typical of people who are “bots” to the celebrity marketing politics of our coproratized society…you need someone to blame, to oppose, to condemn for the rotten deal you and the rest of us have been handed. You are very much like the old left Stalinists and mutant Naderites who have been played for decades by the fascists against your own interests without even knowin you’ve been played.
So don’t bother to appoligize to me, just take your destructive bullshit over to Red State or some other fascist gymnasium but leave the honest folks sround here free of your crap.
Me too! I am starting the transition of taking over the Books for the Music School… Can ya believe it me a computer geek becoming a Bean counter for the School… never saw this coming.. oh well gotta keep the school going and the current book keep is only 91…. see ya tonight BB… have a great day..
Agreed. On the O is worthless part. As far as backing the right candidates goes, it ain’t gonna work until things get WAY worse in this country economically. The Public is just too stupid and easily herded. Plus, even with ideal conditions for real change such as the Great Depression, The Supreme Court always acts as the last line of defense for the Moneyed Powers. It wasn’t for no reason that FDR tried to pack the court. It fought reform every step of the way and is the real reason (IMO) that the New Deal has been regarded by establishment history as largely a band-aid. The Supreme Court altered it from major surgery to a Band-aid. Maddening.
Swopa, an important correction: Conference committee reports can be filibustered.
The Senate had to have a cloture vote on the FY 2010 Defense Authorization Bill conference report just last week, because of a Republican threat to filibuster. [The cloture vote passed overwhelmingly, of course, re-enacted Military Commissions legislation, and blank-check, unregulated authorization for another year of two wars of occupation, included.]
Also, I thought Scarecrow provided some pretty good evidence in that comment thread you reference (to one of his posts) that Obama had actively pressured Pelosi, via Emanuel and the Blue Dogs in the House, to water down the House legislation.
An “open rebellion” because the independent Legislative Branch of government chooses to act independently of the Executive Branch? Obama better not try to label such an eventuality as a “rebellion.” Strong-arming a separate branch of government, as Obama has been doing behind the scenes on multiple legislative “agenda” items, involves walking on eggshells for a president (as opposed to a prime minister), absent complete subservience by the other branch. Complete subservience which, unfortunately, has been the norm for Congress during the presidencies of both Bush and Obama to an appalling degree.
Party-enabled Congressional subservience is a key reason why the Legislative Branch conferencing process between House and Senate is now allowed to be dominated by the Executive Branch (always behind closed doors, of course, except for the final rubberstamping in public by the nominal “conference committee”) to such a shameful degree.
A reminder about the dangers of concentrated government power, from Rousseau’s The Social Compact, way back in 1760:
And from Senator Daniel Webster, speaking in 1834:
And, in more modern parlance, from Republican Representative Ralph Church of Illinois, speaking on the House floor in 1938 in reference to Rousseau’s wise words:
Here’s what I see … the debate over “Health Care Reform” V. “No HC Reform
has changed to “PO for all” V. “PO for some” … that’s a big frikkin improvement and tells me that after the number crunching, there will be no reason to have triggers, or any such nonsense.
The last Bill standing will be Medicare + 5 and all this number crunching is to fast track the reforms, beginning in 2010.
Ok, now back to the Phones. I’m feeling juiced, so I think I’ll call up Big John’s Office.
Cheers to BB & Nahant, for the terrific work you are doing !
I almost pointed out that “blog-ess” was actually in mk3872′s comment @ 67 but decided not to add fuel to the fire.
Hopefully most of us remain focused on what matters.
Finally going to separate myself from this chair and try to accomplish something constructive. A splendid day to you, Citizen Norske.
Your snarking, right? Can’t be serious.
We’ve got a Libertarian/Bircher who calls in to the progressive talk shows on WMNF with the same shit. Says he has a radio show south of us. One reichwing talking point after another but mostly Obama bashing in a passionless monotone that would put a meth freak to sleep.
I never had a single intention of apologizing, tho I will for one thing.
You’re right that wasn’t you I was responding to, that’s my mistake, you in fact never did call Jane a Blog-ess.
I am not a Marxist, I am not a Stalinst, Maoist, Lenenite, or communist.
I am a socialist, A democratic socialist. that I have no qualms with admitting. And the country is doomed forever the longer we allow that to be a dirty word.
The senate needs to be abolished and we need to double or triple the house.
I blame Obama currently but the real thing to blame is the Supreme court decision that gave corporations human rights. We need a revolution there article 2 isn’t gun rights (that can be 3 as I do believe in gun rights) but #2 needs to be “Corporations are NOT people, and have 0 rights”
Keep up the good work, Petro! See ya later.
Absosnarklutely.
So because I think Obama is the problem I’m a fascist?
Think about that for a while and see the error of your ways. It sounds awful familiar to 2002….who were those people calling you a fascist if you doubted the president?
Oh yeah they were Republicans.
Questioning the president is the single most patriotic thing one can do.
Citizen Petrocelli:
You get a Norske Medal of Citizenship, there Citizen. I’m gunna join ya at the phones after I get back from the gym…gotta get loose from about 20 pounds by Xmas and if I don’t work off some a this frustration in dealin’ with folks who can’t figure out who the enemy is, then I might jest put my fist through the monitor.
Best to you and Bob ! *g*
I get that impulse too … then I step away to workout, meditate, etc. and come back recharged.
Have a good workout, Norske !
Nothing like a solution that Trotsky would love. Ya gonna call this new improved House the People’s Revolutionary Council?
Namaste SD !
I predict that we will see a ton of vitriol in the coming weeks … thank heavens we have you, Raven & the Flamethrower on our side !
Gee, I don’t see the word fascist in my comment. Got any more strawmen lurking back there?
Citizen Inquisitr:
You are decidedly NOT a “socialist”, democratic or otherwise, and your rhetorical tactics reflect of too much time on the phone with ditto-heads and talkradio hosts.
There is a statistical chance that you are interpreting this correctly, and that the most obvious interpretation is not the correct one. But for a number of reasons, your reasoning simply looks like wishful thinking.
Citizen Ingqisitr:
You used the lable “fascist”…in fact, that term does seem to stick to your skanky ass.
Funny, but most of the weird shit appears in Jane’s posts now. Couple weeks ago it was any post on health care. Just have to deal with it or, better yet, ignore it as it appears.
Right on Inquisitr. I’ve been reading your posts and totally understand your frustration. Selise, Slowereastside and many others at FDL have come to the realization that this HCR is a joke and Obama is a total sellout and/or chicken.
There is an ongoing hero-worship theme going on here saying things like “we are about to see the most awesome display of power politics in this country not seen for 150 years” and other such ridiculous horse-manure that holds that Obama is a Jedi-Master, 12 dimensional chess genius who foresaw every single move, every twist and turn of this HC farce. This wide-eyed adulation is a hold-over from the euphoria of election night. Indeed, O HAS had a hand in how all this has played out. But his critical move happened WAY back when single payer was taken off the table by Obama, the veal pen and Congressional main players. A perfect example of “the battle is won before the 1st blow is struck.” All the rest of this is beggars fighting over crumbs. TO THE BASTILLE
In my mind, Jane’s post boils down to this:
Eleven dimensional chess? Meet Occam’s razor.
I believe Obama may HAVE come to his senses. Take a look at last night’s official White House blog where complete support is expressed for Reid’s efforts, and where rumors that Obama is NOT supporting Reid’s efforts are labeled as outright false.
Oh, and, to state the obvious, I believe your analysis is completely correct. Rahm was successfully leading Obama down the garden path, and Obama’s Thursday night meeting with Reid straightened that right out, after three days of cogitating on Obama’s part.
Awww, man, where are my waders? Shit’s really gettin’ deep now.
You are asking me for proof about something that has not yet happened yet, genius?
How can this be a facts-only zone when this entire post was about nothing more than hearsay & guesses?
More he-said, she-said. Obama has to speak to more Americans than just those that read & write blogs on FDL. I just gotta laugh sometimes at the way people like Jane lose your heads over Obama’s ambiguity. It is a balancing act and if you cannot appreciate that, then you are going to continue to be very, very frustrated for the next 3.5 years.
Learn to love life under the most progressive admin in most of our lifetimes … be happy
BINGO! …on every count in your comment… including major kudos to Jane Hamsher for her vigilant watch over this complicated process. This thread is full over reaching Obama sell out comments, and yours and those of the Norske bring this conversation back to planet Earth.
THey might not be so “progressive” if we were not here with Jane leading. Just a thought. Fire is very uncomfortable on the feet.
Right now, the opponents we have to worry about are those within our own party. 60 caucusing with the Democrats means that if there is any concern about a filibuster, it means that we cannot rely on all of “our” caucus to vote for cloture, forget about the PO.
I don’t consider the Dear Leader an enemy, but he certainly hasn’t been a very strong friend to progressives in this health care reform process…and many other parallel legislative processes thus far in his short tenure. Would that it were otherwise, but I don’t see it.
You call this administration progressive?
I’m not even gonna wait for a response. I’m goin’ back to work. Too much fantasy from a few here this afternoon. Man.
Namaste
I’ll second that emotion with some reservations: clearly, these guys need to have their feet held firmly to the fire, and progressives are doing it — that’s how participatory Democracy works, right?
But yes, perspective is good. I was here at FDL way back in the days when it was a lock that Patrick Fitzgerald was going to personally fly down from Heaven, fry Karl Rove with his heat vision and guilotine Bush and Cheney on national TV. Oh, the premature schadenfreude! I wanted it so bad.
Unfortunately, it didn’t happen. But I took it as a lesson to chill a little, and as clear and compelling as the tea leaves might seem to be from here on my monitor screen, I’m not in a position to see every leaf, and this is a deeply Byzantine and corrupt system.
Analysis and informed conjecture are great; but what I can do is ACT, even if it’s just emailing and calling and applying money judiciously, and action is better, and so far acting on the facts that we’ve had at hand has been more fruitful than the endless gnashing of teeth and hysterical prognosticating.
Obama spoke to a whole lot of americans last year…and a whole lot of them bought into his words.
The unfortunate thing is that his deeds since the election have left his own words flapping in the breeze.
It’s not like there are lots of folks out there who think that our current approach to healthcare is working just fine thank you very much. Generic America favors a public option with large majorities, rank and file Dems hugely so, Doctors are strongly in favor…the only players seriously against strong action are a limited set of strong, often monopolistic, insurers.
The policy and politics on this issue are very much in favor of strong action. What’s difficult to understand about Obama’s “ambiguity” is his reticence to back up his campaign promises and otherwise provide leadership toward positive outcomes and away from things (such as triggers, individual mandates and employer reimbursement mandates) which are both poor politics and terrible policy.
A keyboard bully, how impressive. Oooh, and he has a peanut gallery too!
Anybody can type ferociously.
You are an Obama apologist, that’s all. Nothing more, nothing less. You can probably justify everything he has and has not done correct? He can write an executive order, nullifying dota, but hasn’t? Why? He voted for telecom immunity. Why? He had the opportunity to break the stranglehold the finance industry has on America, he didn’t. Why? He continues to try to quash lawsuits with claims of national security. Why? He threated to stop sharing intelligence with the brits. Why? He promised transparency in the hcr process and made deals with pharma behind closed doors. Why?
I could go on, (Hugh has a very good list), but I know you are going to make it make sense anyway. At least to your peanut gallery.
Later tuff guy.
“I do have some sympathy for the concept that by making people angry enough to call, protest, and raise hell, that Obama is pursuing a “make me do it” strategy, which seems to be at the core of a lot of Booman’s theory.”
Slight veering of topic: Has anyone discussed what would happpen to the capital tied up in the health insurance industry if single payer were adopted? (I don’t mean AHIP, of course, that’s just a trade group.) I mean all the capital, including stocks.
This is a serious question. Jane, or anyone else, respectfully, do you have any insights on this? We are talking at least 100s of billions. Would stockholders in insurance companies have to be paid off? Would passing a bill that eliminates health insurance companies cause a serious dent in the stock market, and further economic crises?
Maybe that is what gave Obama pause; remember he has said that he didn’t expect to be dealing with this super-recession.
Note of course that the economic collapse and all that brought it about was planned by the Bushies so as to tie the next President’s hands…