Nate Silver says that momentum is shifting in favor of some sort of public option, and lists his reasons why. At the top of the list:
The tireless, and occasionally tiresome, advocacy on behalf of liberal bloggers and interest groups for the public option. Whatever you think of their tactics — I haven’t always agreed with them — the sheer amount of focus and energy expended on their behalf has been very important, keeping the issue alive in the public debate.
The public option was never the best solution to the health care crisis, but it was something that Obama campaigned on, and using his own momentum was critical to the effort to forstall something much worse. If there’s even a small chance that people won’t be forced to buy junk insurance they can’t afford to use, “tedious” is a small price to pay.
I think most of the other valid reasons he gives grew out of this effort. Dogged activism kept pushing members of Congress to keep it alive, discredited the “bipartisan” fetish, fueled constituent letters and emails and caused the White House to start questioning whether it could live up to the deals struck by Rahm and Baucus without paying a huge political price. Which made AHIP hinky, and caused them to overreact. The polling done by Markos and the work done by Nate himself on the popularity of the public option in Blue Dog districts was also incredibly important in dismantling the ConservaDem argument that they were “voting their districts.”
One of Nate’s commenters says something interesting:
The political calculus has changed. Centrist Dems were worried that a public option would anger conservatives and drive them out to the polls. They now realize that almost no matter what they chose to do conservatives will be in angry up rise against them. Thus the strategy has shifted to how do they energize progressives without pissing off moderates.
Notice the major shift, they realize conservatives are pissed off no matter what, so this is becoming a base election scenario. Having some sort of public option is a huge rallying cry. Dems can claim they stood up to “big business” and “the right wing” and “prevailed”.
The teabaggers rallied in response to health care, but in reality it didn’t matter what the issue was — the GOP is doing a good job of rallying their base. No matter what the Blue Dogs and other ConservaDems do, Republicans are going to clutch their steering wheels and drive through sleet and rain to vote against them. Appeasement isn’t a reasonable strategy.
Rahm and Obama felt that they could make the medical industrial complex happy and then sell it to the progressive base as “health care reform” just like they jammed progressives in Congress while catering to the Blue Dogs. And it appears they’re going to try it again with the “opt-out.” Nate says it has more “liberal ‘street cred’ than co-ops or triggers,” but it also threatens to touch off a war with red state Democrats who aren’t keen on being thrown at AHIP like red meat.
Here’s Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, not exactly a flaming liberal, who as a member of House leadership never speaks out like this:
CENK UYGUR: The opt out idea is pretty simple. You get the public option by the federal government, but different states can opt out of it, but they have to actively, proactively opt out of it, either through their state legislator, or maybe even a referendum, or act of the governor, or combination thereof. And then that gives red state senators, whether they’re Democrats or Republicans….
DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ: Then we’re not providing the necessary competition and choice for Americans in those states.
CENK UYGUR: That’s definitely a downside of it. The upside of it is it takes away all excuses. If you say, “Hey listen, I’m not comfortable with the public option.” Great then your state doesn’t have to have it.
DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ: No, but we have mixed delegations Cenk, where we have Republicans… I don’t know… I have to spend some more time hearing about that. In my state we’ve got 10 Democrats and 15 Republicans and a split on our Senators. I wouldn’t want to be duking it out with the rest of my delegation on who wins, on whether or not we do or don’t participate in the public option. And I certainly wouldn’t want Charlie Christ to be able to make the decision. And he is our governor.
Despite the myth that Rahm promotes that he’s some kind of electoral genius solely responsible for the Democratic majority, he’s got an electoral tin ear. As head of the DCCC he wouldn’t let candidates oppose the war in 2006. He made freshmen sign on to the SAVE act to protect themselves from attack for being “soft on immigration” in 2008, only to provoke an angry protest from the Hispanic caucus on the floor of the House (not to mention the fact that he Hispanic vote put Obama over the top). As the architect of NAFTA in 1993, he was oblivious to its effect on depressing the base in 1994 which helped fuel the GOP’s 54 seat House swing.
From the start, Rahm has calculated that a political “win” was the most important objective of health care reform, and that what was good for Democratic campaign coffers was good for the country. He might want to have a word with Harry Reid, who’s sitting on a record haul and a 38% approval rating going into his 2010 race.
With a sluggish economy, 2010 may be brutal. Jamming progressives and red state Democrats with “opt-outs” just so Evan Bayh can make Wellpoint happy may provoke the very electoral massacre Rahm fears.




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Have a strong public option with an opt-out and allow residents and small businesses to purchase health insurance across state lines. In theory, everyone has access to a public option.
Let’s see Republicans vote against one of their major talking points.
I have a question. Is there any circumstance in which we should find opt-outs acceptable? If it is House PO, with no denial, no recission, no excluded groups, and Medicare-linked rates and reimbursement, what would be the impact of allowing some states to opt out? Presumably, the economic arguments against an opt out would be (1) moral hazard (people without private insurance or with inadequate and expensive private insurance who get sick in OUT-states might move after they get sick to IN-states, and choose the public plan) and (2) private insurers would establish, through holdco structures etc, separate risk pools for IN-states and OUT-states, leading to differential pricing, which would screw people in OUT-states. Also, we would have to make sure that opt-out iseither a one-off thing or, at worse, it can only be effected once every ten years or something.
Jane, no one has worked harder than you and the team you put together to save health care reform.
Let’s win this one for Kobe.
All of a sudden there is all this smoke about a public option on the senate side, and a meeting this PM at whitehouse between senate leadership and admin. Where there’s smoke…
I believe they’re going to put a crappy PO in the senate base bill.
Opt out is tremendously cynical, but probably effective, politics for the Dems.
After the bill passes, the GOP will run in 2010 against the health care bill. That is a given.
With the opt out, the Dems can say, “Hey, you don’t like it, your state had a chance to opt out. And if you didn’t opt out, then how bad is it really?”
If some states in the South opt out, and as a region the South has the most obesity and worse health coverage already, then some people will die from inability to access health care. They will be Southernors, and maybe even Republicans, but I don’t think that is a best case result.
The politics of opt-out is excellent for the Dems, however.
Last night on Hardball. Chris Matthews focused on the comeback
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/
“Is public option making a comeback?”
I have been following what Senator Harkin has been saying for the last month and he keeps repeating the same thing.
Harkin “little bit of a dance going on here, the smoke will clear. I am telling you we are going to have a public option in this bill. It is going to happen. And we are going to have it to the President before Christmas”
I have heard Harkin repeat this statement at least four times
Harkin on the Ed Show
“no doubt about it we are hearing form the country side its coming in all the polls we’re seeing as you mentioned earlier the public is now getting it they now know what it means to have a public health option out there. They want it by almost 2 to 1 among Democrats it is over 2 to 1. Among Doctors get this Ed. Among Doctors in this country they want a public option 3 to 1.”
Ed show/Harkin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWSd2OF2HNE
Rahm is hardly an electoral genius, but he’s good at being a DLC Democrat. I’d love to see him booted out for this travesty, if this Obama “signature” issue goes down, but it’s not too likely.
Hear hear! Jane you are amazing. If we get anything resembling real healthcare reform, you will deserve the lion’s share of the credit.
If there is an opt-out, can the consequences or hurdles to opt-out be made unattainable? I would think there’d be some provisions that would make it unlikely that any state would actually opt-out.
Can I opt-out of paying for health insurance??? Of course I can. Anybody can. Buying health insurance is in itself an opt-in. There’s no goddamned reason for an opt-out for a program that is 100% already an opt-in. It’s bullshit.
And Jane, hope you’re not getting over confident. Cause the forces against a robust public option haven’t conceded defeat yet. But bless you for all of your efforts in this area. I had given up on it weeks ago, and I think it’s back on the table in large part due to YOU, Jane. Thank you.
Depending on the terms, I’d be very surprised if any state opted out. For example if all states were required to be IN for 2 years then they would be eligible to opt out then I think they would be crazy to opt out. UNLESS it is a weak and ineffective PO that appears to be getting expensive and somehow the insurance cartels manage to demonize the PO somehow. (Or simply buy off corrupt state politicians.)
Awww, isn’t that sweet! Nate thinks that Jane’s efforts are occasionally tiresome. I think Jane’s efforts have made Nate work just a tad bit harder. By continuing to push, and push in creative new ways that are finding leverage, Jane has changed the dynamic entirely. Methinks Nate has been burning a bit of midnight oil to keep up. Let’s help Jane make sure Nate is going to need a long vacation to recover after a bill gets signed into law.
It sounds like states will have to participate in Public Option for the first two-three years before they can vote to opt-out. This means very expensive battles at the state level throughout the twenty-teens: perfect for lobbyists at all levels, especially the mid-level operators who’ve been a part of this fight on Capitol Hill.
There is very little here to displease the lobbyists, even if their clients the insurers are ultimately unhappy with the outcome.
Right on. “This writhing corporate monster is fighting for its life and is capable of injecting venom to the end.”
I think the two-year opt-out is another example of weak frames by Democrats. Why would we implement a program that would be subject to a statewide opt-out unless we thought it might fail to serve patients, voters, citizens?
And who really wants the Opt-Out, anyway? Is this simply a way to get President Ben Nelson onboard a cloture vote?
“We’ll work it out in conference!”
I have often thought that the purpose of making Rahm chief of staff was to get him out of the House and in a position in which he could be supervised.
Sorta like we’ll fix it in post?
Jane, thank goodness you are visibly here again after recent days’ absence when I almost panicked not seeing your byline on any of the many heathcare-reform posts formerly your turf and we were left to imagine why you disappeared into thin air. (I was hoping you’d gone for a well-deserved restorative holiday but nonetheless fears set in. I was one of the people who offered to help you with research some days back — then my companion had a wholly unexpected immediate medical crisis — of all things — that required my focus and that was the last you heard from me. So I couldn’t help but project a similar reason for your own evanescing and I’ve been so worried. I even went over to POP to see if there were any notes of a great new project you were one-pointedly temporarily at work on instead of your usual beat — but nothing…) Thank goodness you’re back!
Jim–If something decent gets signed into law, there will then be the fight as to who takes credit. One side will be saying that all this was X-dimensional chess by Obama and Rahm, the great chess-masters. The other will say it was the emergent Liberal Wing.
Compassion, the driving force behind our progressive values. Warning – a real tear jerker.
My version of Opt Out – All Republicans are out and everybody else is in. That will satisfy everyone on both sides!
Glad as I am to see Jane back, I must point out that there are a great many strong, new contributors on Health Care issues here at the Lake. And a great many regulars.
So, the work goes on and the information flows even when Jane needs some time for herself.
FunnyWheelieDiva
Jeeeezus.
If this is how Rahm is under supervision, I don’t even want to imagine what he’d be up to left to his own devices.
FWDiva
No.
The “opt out PO” isn’t a case of settling for half a loaf instead of a whole loaf. We’re trying to build a bridge, and a bridge that goes halfway across the river just isn’t going to accomplish much.
The less the PO is a national program, the less it will be able to pressure insurance companies to rein in their rates. If the PO can be watered down enough in the Senate, and then on top of that you get a number of states to opt out, that will crush the ability of the PO to accomplish anything.
At which point the GOP screams “another wasteful government program that does nothing!” and tries to scrap it *and* any attempts to repair the damage.
All in all, it will set health reform back at least 15 years.
Yes,and of course I should also have expressed my gratitude for that. In between my panicked moments, I did indeed notice the terrific posts with new names.
Here’s what Jane was doing.
Olympia Snowe can go to hell.
Metaphorically speaking.
Good. Hope I didn’t sound critical of you personally, just wanted to point out that there’s also been a lot of team effort and team building involved.
FWDiva
A bringer of tears to be sure.
Bingo along with the efforts of groups like “Organizing for America”
“Health Care Now” etc They (our Reps) are feeling the heat. I was in a bunch of our Reps offices over a week ago (Browns, Harkins, Wilson, Voinovich) their phones were ringing ringing ringing
While there’s plenty of time to bitch about the assholes in this process (Reid, Baucus, all republicans, etc.), Someone should take some time out to highlight some of the shining stars we’ve had in our politicians.
Weiner, Pelosi, and Grayson are three of the obvious one – but I’m sure there are others.
It’s about carrots and sticks, imo. Not just sticks.
EDIT: And besides satisfying the (completely sufficient) purpose of giving credit where due, such a highlighting might also help remind people on our side that our congresscritters are NOT a monolithic body, all thinking and acting the same way.
OT, House Republicons are requesting that the Sargent at Arms investigate Muslim intern spies.
Hee hee
you meant that for Jon’s post upstairs, right?
Not that that sentiment isn’t appropriate in pretty much any HCR-related thread around here.
FWDiva
again/still?!
Last week’s news, iirc. And more useful for highlighting the whackaloonie-tunes congresscritters than anything else…
FWDiva
Good to see you back, Jane. Nate might find it tiresome but when I see your efforts and the efforts of many here and across the country, I feel fired up and ready to go !
Keep it up, y’all, this is the stretch run and we need to go strong to the finish line !
wow jane its time for more “tiresome” activism to thwart the
copopt out. even though its “tiresome” i suppose it must be done. I know you must be tired. ive been pretty tired of the whole process for about 7 months now.Oh, JHFC. These people would believe the tooth fairy molests children if some idiot (read O’Reilly, Beck, Limpdick, et al) on a shout show says so.
I’m worried that the public option will only get people denied by insurance companies, and will therefore be a costly group. Is the idea that once it’s up and running the change will be made so that everyone in large groups will be able to join in too?
Wyden is right. Why should people working in small businesses get a hand up over people working for large companies, or state or county employees?
It’s about carrots and sticks, imo. Not just sticks.
Speaking just for myself, I’ve never had much luck trying to whack someone with a carrot…
Pelosi has a great plan, to force Insurance Companies to use 85% of revenue to benefit their policy holders.
Flog Reid liberally for his waffling, but Pelosi has the upper hand in this debate.
LOL … Jayt !
Here’s another tear jerker.
Well said, Sir ! This is the crux of the argument.
Petro !
Good to be back – been kinda sick.
♪♫♪♫ Hi, Petro!♪♫♪♫
Haven’t seen you around lately.
Not THE flu, I hope.
♪♫♪♫ Loo Hoo Hoo !!! ♪♫♪♫
I’ve been around, not much though … tied up with lots of personal things.
Nah, but it’s entirely possible that my stomach has a hole or two in it….
That’s precisely why I have a Double Scotch every day … keeps those nasty bugs away.
It’s true, ah tells ya … haven’t had a
pestguest around for 3 weeks ! *g*That has nothing to do with Rahm’s lack of political acumen. He doesn’t gives a shit about what American voters want or think or care about. A vocal supporter of the Iraq war, Rahm actually criticized Bush for his marketing of the war and not being sufficiently pro-Israel (?!?) Yeah, W. Bush. I guess Rahm expected George to convert…
Rahm is a neocon posing as a Democrat. And as the guy responsible for Obamacare, why should any Pyrrhic Option supporter be surprised that Rahm would use the opportunity to sell the American public out to the insurance industry? It’s not as though he takes a different view of American interests –he’s simply not considering American interests at all.
The sole hope for America in the face of this kind of crap is to be clear about what we need: Medicare For All Americans / HR 676.
Don’t accept any substitutes or legislative rebranding of the only real option for America!
What? How do you get a hole in your stomach? Sounds painful…take good care.
Did someone mention Alan Grayson? He is a one man army against the Blue Meanies. Today, Rep. Grayson was defending ACORN. Oh should I say defending the Constitution and the clause against “Bills of Attainder”.
Grayson is opposing all the Bills of Attainders against ACORN being promoted by R-Assholes.
Point taken.
As a practical matter, I doubt that the opt out would be exercised North of the Mason Dixon line, and probably not much in the South.
I also think the aggregate pool you get even if there are some opt outs is still big enough to compete with national insurers.
As I said, I don’t like opt out–I think it is a cynical strategy for gaming the 2010 interim election.
As cynical political strategies go, I think it puts pressure on the Reps.
Nothing (apparently even victory on the public option) can get in the way of Jane’s war with Rahm! (go girl!) but don’t forget the wisdom of Jesse Unruh: “If you can’t take their money, drink their whiskey, screw their women, and vote against ‘em anyway, you don’t belong in the Legislature”. Except Rahm and Obama were never even taking their money and co-operating with the insurance complex (wow, that AHIP report sure was hard to predict). They were just holding them off with empty promises they’d break in the end to prevent ginormous spending on ads until it was too late (now.) This was all so obvious, but I still admire Jane’s holding their feet to the firedoglake!
They now realize that almost no matter what they chose to do conservatives will be in angry up rise against them
They are the whackjob 20%. They were pissed the day Obama was elected. I couldn’t care less if they are angry. After what bushco was allowed to do to this country those whackos can take a jump off a tall cliff if they don’t like it.
Amen. There’s no reasoning with them, no debating with them, nothing. Just ignore them, and truly, I do wish they’d just fucking go away. If not jump off a tall cliff then just. go. away. somewhere. Goddammed Motherfuckers.
Geezus H. Christ on a cracker – the easiest way for the Dems to ensure long term majorities is to pass bold legislation that benefits the public in an obvious way – kinda like the New Deal, only in OUR lifetimes. My parents grew up in households that had Rooseveldts picture on the wall.
those are not the priorities of the Democratic Party anymore, not for more than 20 years, at least.
Legislation that benefits the public will hurt the corporations that prey on the public in that area, and the Democrats are as thoroughly corporatized as the Republicans.
And, as Matt Tabibi mentions, Wall Street actually has even more power and influence under (D) administrations.
Do the damn PO now, no half measures or it will just be campaign fissure for the next decade or longer with in fighting within the states legislatures and Governors and that would be used by the GOP to get their base out. If the PO does what we think it will then we’ll get many new voters in the up coming elections. Let’s do it right from the get go. Too many have lost their jobs and health care and I don’t see this countries employment and wages going up any time in the near future.
I really can’t see states opting out of a PO. Sure, conservatives may gripe about it, but it does not cost the states any money and it is popular with the people. Since it is only an option, why would any legislator want to be the one to take away something that doesn’t cost any money to the state and is only an available option to the consumer. Opting out would be a loose, loose. If it gets a PO passed, let them have the opt-out. It may weed out a few more GOP reps come election time if they try to get their state to opt out.
I agree! We have had 20 years of GOP presidents and Supreme Court Justices and 8 yrs 9 months of Dems. Lets make a mark in history as big as the New Deal! And also appoint some very real liberal SCJ!
Good Evening Jane and Firedogs,
amen Mister Jimmy – as I’ve been saying, she has not simply led our fight, she has taught us how to fight. and although it will be some time (if ever) before we get the backstory, if indeed Reps Grijalva and Woolsey stand firm and have the numbers I think they have, it is because they have learned to function, found their actual footing as a Caucus – and either directly or indirectly Jane Hamsher had significant influence/impact on that – if they hold, it means no one can take them for granted again, and they’ll only get better – imagine taking the largest voting bloc in Congress out for a spin – tiresome that Nate
hey, those Wasserman-Schultz comments
she’s being a good Pelosi soldier. she also makes sense. but this is the beginning of their push in anticipation of Conference and they are just beginning to squeeze Reid, paint him further in to a corner. I’d be surprised if there weren’t a steady parade of loyalists and aspiring loyalists to come
Cudos Jane and thank you! You made believe I could matter in this fight and I consider myself a moderate so screw these guys and all their BS about the liberals making it tough on everyone..there are plenty of us out there who are just your average Tom Dick and Harriet that got screwed in the fight for CHANGE and refuse to accept SAME.
I’m starting to loose interest. We may get a PO but will it be really worth all the effort?
Jerry Brown torched CNBC yesterday, so weather its him or Gavin, Meg Whitmann stands NO CHANCE and we’ll have to have Health Care Reform on the State level.
Sorry
I was delighted to get up this morning and read the news that Harry Reid is leaning toward the public option. Now let’s hold his feet to the fire so that he makes it robust.
Health reform means a lot to me. I’ve been studying the health care system for 30 years.