In a conference call with political bloggers, Senator Arlen Specter (Still-Fresh D-PA) reported that in a recent gathering of the Senate Democratic caucus, he suggested his colleagues pledge to stick with the party on a cloture vote when the merged health care reform bill came to the floor. Much to Specter’s surprise, according to him, his idea was not embraced by his fellow Dems. And, perhaps even more surprising, Majority Leader Harry Reid approached Specter after the meeting (again, according to Specter), and thanked him for stressing a point that Reid, himself, admitted he was “reluctant to make.”
Specter’s revealing tidbit was part of a rather interesting conference call I participated in yesterday. We covered a lot of ground, mostly healthcare, but also some pretty wonky questions on Afghanistan. The cloture story was in the form of a rather a casual remark toward the end of the call, and came almost as an afterthought.
Specter recounted that during a recent Caucus meeting, he spoke up and suggested “all 60 go on the record committing to vote for cloture.” This, um, very appropriate idea went nowhere.
After the meeting, Specter continued, Reid went up to him and said, “thanks for saying that, I was reluctant to make that point myself.”
Huh? Isn’t Reid the Majority Leader? Isn’t it his job to make these points?
Progressives had been told by Reid that he couldn’t do anything without 60 votes. Now that he has his 60th, he is afraid to use it. It now appears that not only is it that Reid has failed in his arm-twisting to get the party to vote together on cloture, it’s that he’s afraid to even politely ask them to behave like a party and stick together.
It’s a sad day when newly minted Democrat Arlen Specter has to be the guy telling Democratic senators they should act like Democrats. It is the responsibility of leadership to lead; it should not fall to a “rookie” member.
When even Arlen Specter is actively questioning why the Democrats got him to be their 60th senator if they were not going to use their 60 votes, then you know there is something wrong.
If you care, on to my impressions of the sixtieth Democrat.
Don’t everyone jump down my throat at once. I was prepared to thoroughly dislike the guy, but came away more impressed than I expected. And yes, I know his poll numbers are horrendous, and he’ll say anything to bolster his Democratic bona fides. And it was more than a little strange to be speaking to the man who was once the enemy. That said, if he steps up and takes a lead in the health care debate, I’m willing to hear what he has to say. We urged him to do just this. He carefully listened to what we had to say, asked some questions, and told us to stay tuned.
I don’t live in Pennsylvania, I can’t vote in Pennsylvania, and I’ve never met his challenger. But as I see it, Specter is way, way better in private than he is on the tube. He struck me as decent, kind, engaged and even acknowledged things he wasn’t familiar with, including the concept of job lock vis-a-vis health insurance.
So, Arlen, we’re watching, we’re waiting, we’re going to stay tuned. Show us your stuff.





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Specter is tough as nails. Never underestimate him.
…and that includes the Sestak campaign…
Being a Republican Specter understands party discipline. Harry being Harry doesn’t understand he’s toast is he screws this up.
60 Dem votes are irrelevant. The remaining Repubs are a convenient distraction. Specter is a political walking dead man. Reid is doing exactly what he’s been told to do.
The only thing that matters is what their corporate masters want.
The rest is kabuki with extra helpings of special “We mean it this time!” sauce.
And that is all.
Spector comes from the authoritarian tradition of the Rs.
However, even though that tradition is invisible among the Ds (herding cats), you’d think they’d have a nodding acquaintance with it when it comes to the political survival of the D party. But then, my expecation of common sense is apparently nonsensical.
Geez, reduced to depending on Arlen Specter, who needs the party to behave like a party so he can beat Sestak in the primary and then to win the general. That’s appalling. And they won’t listen. Christ on a cracker.
Nice catch, Eve. Depressing… but nice catch.
Maybe a few hundred or thousand of us should flood his fax and email with a simple message.
Hello? You have 60 and we know it! Now get it together, Leader Reid.
Reid’s strings are clearly being pulled by the White House (not that he is exactly Mr. Spine anyway of course).
Reid is toast regardless.
Yep, Harry has to be told to either represent us or we will actively support his opponent and toss his spineless carcass out of Office …
ArlenHaggisOffal is doing everything to hold onto his seat, but I’ll still support Sestak … to again send a message to the likes of HoJo & Co. … no one is irreplaceable !Thinking further of Spector & authoritarianism, it must drive him nuts that the Ds aren’t. I’ll be he’s sorry he switched, career notwithstanding, as there are no leaders among the Ds.
Sestak is only 4 points behind Arlen but the Rs are way ahead of both. Could be interesting towards the end.
I supported Sestak years ago (’06).. I wouldn’t do any more than sacrifice a chad for him today. Arlen must go, but Sestak is not a “better” Dem, imo.
Specter, HoJo and others know exactly how to play Harry & The Dems … sad display by Harry Reid.
I am just beside myself, but I do not know which side. Countdown is saying Sen. Mary Landrieu is betraying her party, her gender, her country and her species by joining the R Filibuster against national health care.
We must plan some appropriate payback, for her and any other D’s who think they can get away with this. There will be consequences.
This (in its current incarnation) goes back to the day after the election when Obama told Reid that he did not want Lieberman to lose his chairmanship or seniority despite all the campaigning against Obama which Lieberman had undertaken.
I said it then and I’ll repeat it now – that was the death of the Obama presidency. He made it clear to the Senate that there was to be no penalty for breaking with the Democratic party – that it would in fact be rewarded. He made it equally clear that opposing Obama would carry neither stigma nor penalty but, indeed, get you to introduce bills for the WH.
Does anyone in the room think these senators are stupid when it comes to knowing what they can and cannot get away with, or that they would hesitate to go their own way when they wanted to (for whatever reason)?
Puhleeze.
And for what? Bipartisan kumbaya?
Oh I agree … but you get rid of Reid & Specter and suddenly, the other sellouts will start to represent Progressive values.
Sestak is not a better Dem but having Sestak defeat Specter will give us better Dems.
*note: this commenter is a hopeless optimist*
I know this is just a job-saving game for Spector, but in his heart of hearts he wishes someone would really whip him. (Double entrendre intentional.)
Mary Landrieu needs 10,000 calls to her office(s) tomorrow … anybody up for it ? *g*
I wish that Arlen had retired. He’s 79 and it’s time. I have never trusted him – since Anita Hill – but I don’t hate him.
LOL !!!
He might have retired, but who can resist hanging around and pissing on Reid & Co. ?
as pointed out, Spector is newly from the R side of the aisle where party discipline rules. It’s probably pretty shocking to him that Dems are so clueless on the basics of being the majority party or even the basics of using the rules of the Senate to get their way.
I keep saying it, so I will one more time: Republican filibuster requires 41 Senators. There are 40 Republican Senators. Harry Reid is protecting the Democrats who plan to vote with the Repubs on cloture. If he continues doing this, he is not the Majority Leader — he’s the Majority Destroyer.
Oh, she’ll just think that 10,000 more people want free medical care.
Reid is such a waste of space
Oh, and the possibility that Specter is “fresh” is fetid.
Amazing what a primary challenge can do.
Hi Bri, I kinda liked him, I was rather impressed, Iwouldn’t rule him out just yet.
without a doubt, Allen, they get religion, when they are facing a bump in the road.
Reid’s primary goal is to ensure that no one does anything to make his BFFAE [ HoJo ] pout.
I don’t think Reid is capable of the 11-dimensional chess game this would imply:
Not really.. Specter would play the role of Landreiu today if it was his turn.
Eureka, why is Sestak no better than Specter? This is an interesting comment.
That was a huge mistake. Bipartisanship for its sake alone is pointless.
Eve, I’ll take this opportunity to thank you for all you’re doing ! Pats on the back to Slinkerwink as well.
Yup realworld, this is exactly what I thought, Specter’s come over from the Dark Side, and is truly scratching his head in bewilderment over the inability of Reid to do his job.
Yeah, I saw that earlier … someone is gettin’ played.
Nostalgia for what might-have-been: Leiberman as McCain’s VP.
What I don’t understand is why we’re not talking about who we can get to run against Harry. Is there a Democratic Party in Nevada? Sheesh! We should be having someone actively speaking out right now…..scare Harry into standing up.
Would you believe 1-dimensional checkers?
I don’t think Sestak qualifies as a mo or better Dem.
Arlen is poison.. but we progressives are wasting our time, credibility, and treasure supporting Sestak, imo.
Not-so-Vegas Harry couldn’t win at roulette if there were 35 balls in play.
Oh, do tell. What is one-dimensional checkers?
Landrieu will join a Rethug filibuster on the same day Obama stops by New Orleans? Coindence? I doubt it. Thanks a lot PBO.
Sestak won’t. Don’t worry. He wasn’t born yesterday, like some Democrats(see Harry Reid among others).
I agree. I really do not want to vote for Sestak in the primary, and I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I might actually vote for Specter.
Before Specter changed parties, their voting records did not differ much, and that was probably because Specter was constantly being attacked from the right.
Sestak voted for the appropriations to continue the war in Iraq. And he voted for that odious FISA bill.
How is in any way a better Democrat?
Harry is the Democratic Party in Nevada!! I’ve been saying it for months. People have been writing about it.
If Senator Reid doesn’t want to use those sixty votes, I’d like to borrow them for a time.
Would you rather have Sestak or another Lieberman? Don’t forget that Specter is just being a good little boy because he can’t piss off the Democratic base. Do you trust Specter’s vote after the ’10 election? I don’t.
I heard a little bit of that segment, noting that Landrieu seems to have heard President Obama’s speech to the joint session of Congress most selectively (just like the Republicans). But I didn’t see the whole segment. In addition to spouting nonsense about believing that Americans can’t tell or don’t know the difference between a public option and free health care, she actually said that she will side with the Republicans to filibuster a bill with a public option?
If so, I wouldn’t want to be in a room with Jane right now!
Yup.. Sestak spent the entire summer this year pushing a Massachusetts style of health care reform.
I could never vote for Arlen… and beg you to reconsider that… If no Green or Independent seems worthy, without a doubt I would vote for Sestak in a match against Arlen, but I couldn’t volunteer or contribute to a Sestak campaign.
Don’t forget. You won’t get backstabbing from Sestak, like you might from Specter(after ’10) and that you get from HoJo.
He hasn’t come up big on health care, that’s for sure. In general, I think he’s more progressive than Specter, but he’s never been good on this issue. I don’t know why.
The only plus side to a Sestak win is, the remaining BlueDogs see Specter being sacrificed by us and do an about face towards the ideals we want them to represent.
See comments 46 @ 51 … Sestak is not the image of our ideal candidate.
Thanks for the update. I can’t imagine that Nevadans would find him strong, but then I can’t figure how the Dems found him worthy to be majority leader, either. Disheartening, for sure.
You have to expect some Stupid Health Care Lobbyist Trick on a daily basis. They have other so-called Senate Democrats who would join the Stop Health Care Filibuster. We can try to scare them with threats of vicious, angry blogs about them.
Countdown gets repeated after Rachel’s show. What is missing in Keith’s Report is what Harry Reid will do. Ha Ha, I know we all know that Harry Reid will probably do…nothing.
What about Jimmy Carters son? Didn’t he make a run for Senate in Nevada a few years back?
Jane’s name and the FDL page was just displayed on MSNBC!
Chuck Schumer is going to be Majority Leader next year.
This very page?
Got it! Speaking of what Reid would do, a reporter asked Grayson what he would want Reid do differently? Dana Milbank reports that “the congressman offered no prescription, only a demand: ‘One way or another, the bill has to pass. It’s that simple. As quickly as possible.’”
I contacted Rep Grayson to ask him for a statement re his support for a robust public health insurance option that will be made to all Americans and asked him if he’s going to vote against any bill that does not contain such a robust public health insurance option.
Hopefully, I’ll get an answer. We don’t want anything “as quickly as possible,” we want a real health care reform bill!
Not this very page, it was a page with one of Jane Hamsher’s posts. I’ll try to find the one that Rachel’s producer put up. Brb.
let’s hope to hell not. After the yes vote for the Iraq war, that nod on Mukasey, push for more sanctions against Iran, votes for cutting off aid to the Palestinians after they elected Hamas…Let’s hope to hell Schumer does not get that spot.
link?
Hope you are right. I have my problems with Schumer but he’s a lot better than Reid… by miles.
Sestak is about as good as it is ever going to get. I actually like many of Sestak’s stands
Iran
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPpmHDfrXCA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vFCJIQ6NUE
Iraq
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVv6UgbLyHo
I coitenly hope so !
I went back through posts, but didn’t see the one that Rachel’s show had up on MSNBC. It wad definitely one of Jane’s posts. The show repeats at 11pm eastern, and the segment in which an FDL page and a page from Daily Kos were shown for several seconds was shown during the first ten minutes of the show. Sorry I can’t help more!
In Pennsylvania ? I hope you’re wrong … no disrespect !
He did – last year against Reid’s good buddy John Ensign. Young Carter (Jack?) got token support from Reid, but that was about it.
Specter voted with Bush 95% of the time.
Specter didn’t become a Democrat because he wanted to, it was because he had to.
The first week that Specter was a member of the party, he revealed a lot about himself. He said he wouldn’t support a public plan. He said he’d never be a loyal Democrat. He said he thought McCain/Palin was the better choice.
Specter flip-flopped on the unions on EFCA.
The only reason Specter is acting and voting the way he is now is because he has a serious primary challenger. Specter made it clear that his primary goal is staying in the Senate. If he’s elected in 2010 he will have no reason to be loyal to the Dem caucus anymore.
I can’t imagine why anyone would trust Arlen Specter. You have 30 years of history to go by and instead you’re going to use the last six months as your gauge? I think the last eight years are a much better indicator of who the real Arlen is.
Interesting that nobody’s brought up what Spector did to Anita Hill? That was one of those moments I will NEVER forget. But, I agree with Jon, I made a similar comment on this site about Schumer the other day. That is how big this fight is. It’s monumental, it’s about whether the Democratic Party deserves to survive. Fo me it’s simple, if we don’t get a strong healthcare bill witha strong public option I say the Democratic Party should shut down, close its doors. It will NEVER again be able to “argue for the people”.
In the meantime, YES, remember Anita Hill, but also that tough votes reqquire sacrifice by all.
Absolutely. Reid need some schooling. Now.
Hey we did get Senator Sherrod Brown here in Ohio by pushing hard. And I really think Sestak is as stand up as they get
Will Sen. Reid keep his word to to Nevada residents?
“We are going to have a public option before this bill goes to the president’s desk,” Reid said during a conference call with Nevada residents. “I believe the public option is so vitally important to create a level playing field and prevent the insurance companies from taking advantage of us.”
Sen. Reid
Oct. 02, 2009
http://www.lvrj.com/news/reid-any-reform-will-have-public-option-63234542.html
reid trying to save face
Eve,
Well I am in Pa…and do not trust him for one minute
For “normal” constituents ie..those of us that don’t have big $$$$ forget ever getting a call, a letter back fhom Specter. His staff is rude, if you are lucky enough to get a live person. He has again charmed everyone here in Montgomery County. I just went to a dinner for my State Rep Larry Curry who was being honored. Specter introduced Larry; he had about 10 minutes to talk. 11 of those minutes went spent talking about what a great Democrat he is.Specter NOT Larry..
Its always about him..I won’t vote for Specter.
Lee
Yay Specter! Wow, i can’t believe i typed that. I hope he votes for clouture like he’s implying. Oh, sure if you live in PA you hav every reason to vote him out next year, i just hope he dosen’t kill the PO. We’ll see.
Thanks for pointing this out, Eve. I’m glad Specter did this, but I, too, don’t think he can be trusted. Not that he’s a Republican. In his youth he was a liberal Democrat, but couldn’t run as one because the machine politicians had all the opportunities locked up. So, he ran as a Republican in order to advance in politics and remained a Republican because that was the thing to do to stay in power. Arlen likes power, and having an impact on things. If he can have that as a Democrat he’ll stay a Democrat. Otherwise not.
Moving on to the 60 votes business, I think we ought to stop giving credence to the idea that the Democrats need 60 votes to get health care reform or anything else through the Congress. The Democrats in the Senate have the option of getting rid of the filibuster for good. It only takes 50 votes plus Joe Biden’s to implement “the nuclear option.” If they do that, no more filibuster. No more need for 60 votes ever. They bear the responsibility for not doing that, and retaining their impotence.
We need to start pointing out that they need only 51 votes to keep all their promises of change, and if they fail to keep them that it’s their fault; not the fault of a mythical 60-vote barrier that exists only because they choose to maintain it.
I don’t know. But barring a Presidential veto, Reid has the power to get a robust PO through the Senate. And then he has the power to rig the conference committee to also favor a final bill with the PO.